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six days for west nile virus recently? i remember reporting that. it is in such context right now. >> we think it is far away but it is happening in our backyards. >> thank you. i would like you to come back later in the show to repeat this information. thank you. september 10th will be here before we know it. in moments, what both candidates are doing and not doing to prepare. it may surprise you. ♪ ♪ good day to you. i am alex witt and this is "alex witt reports". we begin this hour with breaking news from the middle east. u.s. military operation in iraq killed at least 16 islamic fighters and six soldiers were injured but none of them were described as life-threatening. the joint operation with the rocky mac security forces happen in the country's westerni desert. joining me from rehobeth beach, delaware, gary is here. what is the biden administration saying about this?

>> reporter: at this point, not a lot. we have that statement reporting of the operation, along with the security forces you mentioned. this happened early thursday morning, a significant amount of time ago. the militants appeared to have i the not caught off guard by this. they were fully armed with weapons, grenades and suicide belts, as well. when the dust settled, we are told at least 15 ices militants were dead and six u.s. soldiers were injured. it does not appear those injuries are life-threatening. we are thinking it is the extent of traumatic brain injuries, things that are not es immediately life-threatening. that is the good news. there are 2500 u.s. troops on the ground in iraqi as part of an assist and make aware mission with the u.s. military. a number of those folks were involved in this mission. we are still trying to learn exactly how this mission was carried out, who gave the authorization and at what point the white house was made aware of it. president biden, of course, he d

can be president from anywhere. he is president from rehobeth beach, delaware where he is ar spending time on the beach. he was asked questions on his way to the beach but he did not answer. we will follow-up with him to see if he has anything to say. >> i know you will be right there to go after him, my friend. thank you for that. let's all of us go to decision 2024. 66 days to election day, 10 days to the first presidential debate and six days before voting by mail starts in north carolina. new today, floria social media statements from the harris campaign, one in a dispute over trump's recent visit to arlington national cemetery and on his shift on the abortion ballot measure and on ivf and a third on the battle over open microphones at the first presidential debate on september 10th. here is harris's cochair a short time ago.

>> seeing the contrast is what the american people want to see. they are asked specifically, what are you going to do for the middle class? what are you going to do about housing? i anticipate we will hear from the vice president when she says i understand you are struggling. i understand you can't buy a home and while i can't set the interest rate as the president of the united states, what i can do is that legislation will offer up to $25,000 for down payment assistance for first- time homebuyers. donald trump has a debate on his mind. here is what he said about harris's first tv interview, the debate and a moms for liberty event friday. >> the debate coming up with this one, she didn't want to

debate. she did not want to debate. they were kind of unhappy about it but they got the network they wanted, the network worst of all. >> we've got more reporters and analysts ready to go, the other big headlines of the day, we will start with nbc's aaron gilchrist at the white house where the harris campaign is gearing up for a bus tour next week. aaron, democrats are taking the fight for reproductive rights on the road. what can we expect. >> yeah, this issue, alex, of reproductive freedom is a key issue for this campaign, even before vice president harris took over the top of the ticket, she was the leader on the issue , traveling around the country last year, talking to women, talking to young people, in particular, about this particular topic. on tuesday, we understand the campaign will launch what it is calling it's fighting for reproductive freedom bus tour in palm beach, florida, former president trump's backyard, if you will. ba they are trying to target trump, the campaign says, told , him economy >> accountable for the impact on women. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren was on msnbc today trying to caution women not to take trump seriously when he says he supports women's reproductive healthcare. listen to this. >> when he is odtalking to the overwhelming majority of americans who very much oppose

that radical approach to abortion and ivf, he tries to change his tune and is shocked when each side now starts to call him out on that. i think this is what the vice president meant by not a en serious man. there is no principle for him other than does it help donald trump? that is his single principle. >> i think you can expect to hear that line of attack across the 50 stops the bus door is expected to make. governor walz's wife, gwen, spoke passionately to this yesterday at a campaign stop yesterday in virginia. we understand she and second gentleman doug emhoff will join the campaign tour sometime between now and next week. reading a statement last night,n she said trump would limit

access to birth control and threatened access to fertility treatments and a ban on abortion nationwide. the harris campaign really trying to tie the former president, trying to say he is trying to rewrite his record, really, on reproductive healthcare and saying that a rd president harris would fight to restore the protections of roe versus wade. >> aaron gilchrist, thank you so much for that. joining me now is msnbc political analyst and contributor, alexi mccanna. let's begin with abortion rights. president trump has been contradicting himself, angry not only conservative christian supporters but democrats, too. it feels like he is playing goldilocks and trying to find the just right answer for all voters but not really having rs convictions of his own. >> i mean, the goldilocks comparison is so apt, alex. is i am happy to see you talk

about all this craziness. even by trump standards, the pace in which he has changed his mind on abortion and ivf in the last 36 hours is just remarkable, truly. i think at the end of the day we have to be very clear this man's legacy, donald trump's legacy is the man who stripped women of their rights and freedoms. he is the one that suggested that women seeking an abortion should be criminalized, doctors helping them should be criminalized. he has created a permission structure for republicans across the country to go after all of our rights to the point where they only want us to exist in the world so long as we can bear children and have our own biological children. it is so bizarre. >> i guess those who would call it weird, given the context of conversations these days live and what is being thrown around. that being said, let's talk about trump calling for ivf treatments for all who needed courtesy of the government but

not offering a plan on any details or how to do it. it sounds like trump's 2019 infrastructure promise that never materialized. what are your thoughts? >> yes, just like that, it never was, it is a reflection on how donald trump things the american people are stupid. he has said explicitly as much in the past, especially when talking about running a potential republican candidate in the future, before he ever ran for office. he knew he could manipulate people or try to manipulate o people with his words and his sort of salesman like pitches around policy. these are not firmly held beliefs that are inspiring his policy proposals, which, by the way, not just re-seeping the republican party, it is reshaping the country for generations to come. the supreme court alone is a great example, everything from abortion to affirmative action to gun control is affected by ol the conservatives donald trump has gotten onto the seat. >> during your first interview,

we saw harris shrugged off questions and making the former presidency read. what are the chances, alexi, a she takes a similar approach during the upcoming debate? >> i think we will see her continued to do exactly which he has been doing, not only because it has been working but it is authentic to who she is, now a presidential nominee for the democratic party. she also knows she is not going to let donald trump dictate important conversations, whether it is about women or racial identity, in particular, and take the bait from someone who will just love to roll around in the mud with her at the end of the day and also, they have just proven that any time they speak about a sitting vice president of the united re states, it is with complete disrespect and falsehoods and ridiculous means they think are funny but they are the only

ones who think they are funny. i think we can expect her to do the same thing she has been doing and show she is not only the adult in the room, but she is not afraid of donald trump. she knows men like him. >> yeah, beyond saying the same, old tired playbooks, she did not go in-depth on a number of items. do you think the campaign is waiting until the debate to unleash more pointed attacks and they are holding back right now? >> well, certainly. i think the debate is the perfect opportunity for both campaigns do not only present their vision for the future, r but for them to try to create a contrast with the other campaign. the contrast is basically built in. of course, americans want different types of policy specifics, but with abortion the top issue for one quarter of female voters in the last

couple weeks alone in surveys, there are a certain number of policy specifics people are listing for that frankly donald trump and republicans have no good answers on, whether that is the economy, protecting democracy and freedom, reproductive rights for women, voting rights, gun control, all of these things matter to people across the board and republicans have no strong policy proposals at the debate.p >> was 66 days left until the election, what you think vp harris needs to do to cement her momentum over the next few months? can she sustain it if she doesn't do any further interviews and just relies on the debate? >> i think what is remarkable is between president biden dropping out of the race and, you know, the timing of all this is how democrats have essentially turned a presidential election, which lasts over a year, into what is essentially a special election, three months, basically, to annette month. democrats have over performed in special elections in the

past because it really helps them keep their eye on the ball. it is so much easier to motor vibe voters to show up when you are asking them to do that with early voting in a couple weeks' time or proper voting on election day in november, the fact there are only a few weeks until then will certainly help the momentum sustain itself. also, the threat of donald trump is becoming more real to democratic voters as we get closer to the election, which will help the harris-walz campaign maintain the momentum they built in a short amount of time. >> come see us again very soon. thank you. why donald y trump is still trying to explain what happenedi at arlington cemetery this week. we are back in 90 seconds. 90 d

today vice president today vice president harris, with a strong rebuke of donald trump's actions related to his visit to arlington national cemetery this week, in a lengthy social media post said in part, let me be clear:the former president disrespected sacred ground, for the sake of a political stunt. it is my belief that someone who cannot meet this simple, sacred duty should never again stand behind the sale of a president of the united states of america. trump , at a pennsylvania rally friday, defended those photographs of himself in the heavily restricted area of the cemetery where veterans of the afghanistan and iraq wars are buried. he also made the baseless claim his political opponents exploited the controversy. >> they said to me, no surprise, never even thought about it. sir, would it be possible for you to have a picture with us? over here by the tombstone of my son? i said, absolutely. i wasn't doing it for publicity. i don't need publicity. later on that day i heard that

we were using the graves of those soldiers for public relations purposes. that was all put out i the white house. joe biden killed those young people because he was incompetent. then they tell me that i used their graves for public relation services. and i didn't. >> joining me now is retired u.s. army colonel medal of honor recipient and are very good friend, jack jacobs. thank you. welcome. i want to get your reaction to trump's visit to arlington national cemetery, there to mark the 13th -- third anniversary of the withdrawal from afghanistan. a cemetery employee says they were abruptly pushed aside by two trump aides when she tried to assure adherence to rules that there were no illegal activities. this was after trump shared video that violates federal law

against using military seminaries for political gain. what is your reaction? >> the first is, it is against the law. it is a violation of federal law to, in this particularly, in section 60, to use those visits, photographs or images for political purpose. there is very little doubt in anybody's mind, certainly not in mind, it was used for those political purposes, in the first instance. regarding the other one, he also mentioned, it was at the cemetery, the person that was push aside, i am not a lawyer but it sounds like assault. it could even be battery, for all i know. it is difficult to sell. further action should be taken against those in the trump campaign who did that. it is certainly a violation of

the law. in general, the disrespect generally is a continuation of the same kind of, the same line that camp has done for a long, long time. >> can i ask you how unusual it was for the army to put out a statement relative to this incident? >> yeah, very unusual. i have never seen it myself. then again, there hasn't been, in my experience, there hasn't been this kind of activity that violates the law that has taken place, in my memory. so it is very unusual for the action that generated this very unusual rebuke indeed. >> that makes a lot of sense. let's talk about the report from the u.n. nuclear watchdog that says iran has further increased its stockpile of uranium and wrenched to near weapons grade levels. this report, sir, comes days after iran's supreme leader

reopen the door to the u.s. saying there was no harm in engaging with the enemy. what could the ayatollah be signaling with these remarks and how close is iran to completing a nuclear weapon? >> well, iran was fairly close before and is continuing to develop nuclear weapons. there is plenty of time. we will do whatever we can. they will try to achieve them, the entire balance, the whole arc of activity in the region, remember, one of iran's biggest competitors for influence is saudi arabia. they don't have nuclear weapons. they want nuclear weapons, as well. that would destabilize this entire thing. they are playing for time. everything they do indicates they are doing so, don't forget, they are not directly attacking anybody who is by and large using proxies, the

houthis, hezbollah, jihad in the region and also they can stand behind all of that and develop nuclear weapons. none of this is surprising. requests for talks is just a delaying tactic in the minds of many analysts. >> okay. let's move to china. this week the national security adviser jake sullivan was in beijing to meet with gigi payne, the military leaders and among issues discussed was strained ties with tae juan claiming it is part of china. china calls it false narratives about the island. president biden is slated to speak with xi soon. did this troop help improve relations and did it help minimize conflict in this region and what will that take?

>> there is no reduction in risk in the western pacific. china's expansion has been going on a long time and continues to expand in the region. all of our allies, even those, like vietnam used to be our enemy, they are terribly concerned. tokyo is talking about changing their constitution so they can defend themselves against the possibility of the united states not going to come to anybody's defense. this is a very volatile region, maybe even more volatile and more dangerous by chinese expansionism. secretary blinken's visit, the president's visit, none of this is going to change what china's strategic aim is, that is to control all of the western pacific. that will continue as long as xi is in power, alex. >> moving to ukraine.

in the war, kia's shocked offensive have taken the war to russia but not nearly as much as it would like because of u.s. restrictions on using the long range ballistic missiles it supplies. some experts fear if it comes to delays and caveats, it would mean it's defeat. is the u.s., colonel, b despite being too careful and not leading rusher -- those weapons be used? isn't that critical to ukraine's victory? >> we are too much word about how the ukrainians will lose against russia, there will be large-scale confrontation and expansion on what is taking place in the region if we permit the ukrainians to use these weapons deep into russian soil. they have already used weapons on russian soil and have made incursions into russia. here's what the problem is. russia is probably not going to

stop doing what it is doing until he gets a slice of ukraine and keeps crimea on a path to moldova, none of this is going to change. it is just a war of attrition. ultimately, he feels because he can control exactly what happens in the region, he has more staying power, he can outlast ukraine but more significantly outlast the west. there are a lot of indications the west is getting tired of supporting ukraine. not only in the united states, but elsewhere in europe, there are those who would like to see support for ukraine reduced or eliminated, that is what putin is waiting for. giving further weapons to ukraine may change the balance over short period of time but at the end of the day, this is a long war, time is on putin's side as long as he can maintain control and support that while

waiting for support to wayne for ukraine. new institutions are coming on board and many of the countries in the west, what happens next year in 2025 will dictate what happens to ukraine and whether or not it moves. >> always a sobering conversation, given the subject material. glad it is with you, colonel jack jacobs. the impact of kamala harris' first interview since becoming the nominee is not. come see msnbc live, democracy 2024, our premier fan event in brooklyn, new york next saturday. you can buy tickets for this first of its kind, in-person experience, where you can hear from some of your favorite hosts as we approach the homestretch of this historic election cycle. scan the qr code on your screen or go to msnbc.com/democracy 2024 to buy your tickets now.

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vice president kamala vice president kamala harris will spend labor day campaigning in detroit and later in pittsburgh, where she will be joined by president biden in their first joint event since she became the nominee. this comes on the heels of her first television interview as a nominee, where she was pressed

on evolving aspects of her policy since her first run for president. >> i think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is that my values have not changed. i believe it is important to build consensus and it is important to find a common place of understanding of where we can actually solve problems. joining me now democratic strategist and former advisor to the obama campaign anisha park -- ameshia cross and brendan buck, he previously served as press secretary to candidate paul ryan for vice presidency. good to see you both, as usual, on the weekend. what did this interview convey to you about harris' strategy? >> well, it ended up being the world's most anti-climatic interview. we waited for weeks to have this and it was pretty pedestrian as far as interviews go. it left me wondering why she hasn't been doing this? she was fine. as a matter of politics, she is

clearly very committed to this message of being a mainstream democrat, trying to rebut the image the trump campaign is trying to produce is a far left progressive. she clearly had to explain one of her positions, i think her answer was fine. she has learned a lot, her values have not changed, i don't know if there is a good answer for changing position on a number of important things but she got through it just fine. she is trying to do the street from the convention, i am somebody you can trust, i am not a far left progressive and she will just hope people are abiding that, that she wants the ticket sincerely and she says that. >> ameshia, harris was asked about the historic nature of her run in that viral photograph with her great-niece watching her acceptance speech. this is what she said. take a listen. >> i am running because i believe i am the best person to do this job. for all americans, regardless of

race, i saw that photograph and i was deeply touched by it. >> will she speak more about her identity as a black and south asian woman and how does that factor into a broader appeal? >> there are two things going on here. if somebody happens to be a person of color, as a person of color, she doesn't have to carry the flag, they know she is a woman, they know she is a black woman, she has talked about her asian heritage, as well. for her, this is who i am, this is who i am, i don't have to explain that. she is creating that, expanding that under that big tent the democratic party is known for.

she has brought in people of multiple generations, backgrounds, religions and other parties, as well. people who fell out of the political cycle, in general, those of the things that matter. i think kamala harris does not want to get bogged down in what appeals to the right, which is this anti-di mantra, this racist rhetoric. she wants to lead with action, she was duly with her policies. she doesn't have to tell people she is black or biracial, she doesn't have to tell people what her historical background is, they can look at her until these things. people have seen her work. she understands. she comes as someone who has seen what barack obama went through, she has seen what the first democratic female presidential candidate went through with hillary clinton. at this point in our nation history, she is anti-dei she has seen, she is in the lane she needs to be in. yeah, she is going to talk about her heritage but no, she is not going to get bogged down in it and allow it to be something the right uses as a weight against her.

>> brendan, harris stood by president biden's wrecker because, in part, it is seen as her record. there is some tension within her team how to separate herself from joe biden, especially on issues like the withdrawal of afghanistan. how does she walk that line? >> yeah, i think the difference is not necessarily the difference of policy but her message is obviously much more optimistic, much more inclusive. by contrast, biden's message about democracy being a threat was dour and depressing. she doesn't necessarily have to break with them in substance but she can present herself as a very different person. i think the other dynamic is, she is able to talk about the mainstream, down the middle because she has credibility with the left. the left knows she has, you know, they don't have to worry about her. whereas, joe biden always seem to be trying to convince progressives he was someone you could get excited about.

he had, i know he had coded himself center, it is a reverse here. i think she needs to prove to people she is not too far left where he was already trying to do that. it is the way they present themselves, maybe the substances the same but the way they present themselves as different and i think is really working for her. >> ameshia, something we have frequently seen during his campaign is trump's inability to focus, be specific or stick to the facts. can harris highlight trump's rambling and his mental state in ways biden was unable to? >> absolutely. and i think she can do it in repetition. we see that donald trump has flip-flopped on everything. he just took back his stance on abortion rights when he came to the florida policy that is going to be on the ballot in november. we see time and time again, this is somebody who says one thing and does something else. he is someone who can't remember what he said three days ago. this is someone who has known

to, you know, go into attack mode immediately when he does not want to answer a question or when he is inciting his megabase -- maga base. she can speak to donald trump's actions and who the man is. she will continue doing that on the campaign trail but she has to balance that with her own policy ideology and where the country would go under a harris- walz administration. it is why people should be voting for her instead of him. that is what kamala harris is doing on the campaign trail. >> ameshia, brendan, stay with me, guys. behind the numbers and what polling suggests. ts. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ did you know that if you shave, 1/3rd of what you remove is skin? (♪♪) new dove helps repair it. so, if you shave it? (♪♪) dove it new dove

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i am i am back with my panel, ameshia cross and brendan buck. we heard from the trump teen the honeymoon period would end and most voters would not pay attention until after labor day. labor day is monday. harris leads in the national reuters poll and closed the gap in most polls. people are paying attention. are voters saying, at least for today, this race is harris ' to lose? >> i think that is probably the right bend at this point. we talked about this last week. coming out of the convention, you sure should hope that after the five weeks that kamala harris has had, she will have a pretty strong lead. she has a lead, although i don't know if it is a lead you can necessarily feel super

excited about, if you are on the team, you should still be nervous. there have been no better stretches in modern modern politics and what kamala harris just did but at the same time, donald trump clearly has a ceiling. that is what he is running up against. she is clearly the favorite at this point. i would just probably want to see a little more of a lead. that lead is four points but it only has her at 45. the "wall street journal" only has her up one. we sort it would be politic settling back to where they have been for the last 10 years, very closely rivaling. >> ameshia, with respect for the surge for the vice president in the swing states rather pronounced in some places but also certainly within the margin of error. do these polls give you some degree of optimism or are you weary of complacency? >> there is optimism, but there is also a keep your foot on the

gas here. i do think, as the harris campaign is illustrated, they are the underdog. they are positioning themselves to continue these bust wars, to go outside of major urban centers and make sure they are hitting rural areas, make sure they are reaching voters where they are. also acknowledging the fact that this is still a new ticket. kamala harris has been at the top of the ticket for what? a month. at this point, there is a recognition there has to be so much on the ground work. irrespective of the polls, polls will go up, polls will go down, it is what it is, we are in the margin of error.

i don't think anyone assumed it would be an easy race to win, we knew it would be extremely close. these races are run within the margins. she is doing exactly what you need to do. she is talking to people and meeting them where they are, bring in younger voters, bring in diverse voters, republican voters, as well, people who were essentially double haters before she entered the race, p bringing in people who have not voted in presidential elections in years. she is making herself the new variety of the democratic party and opening the democratic party to one that does not solely speak to what people consider traditional democrats. she is making this a very different way than that will carry her through. make no mistake, the innovation of this campaign is not stopped. she recognizes it is full speed ahead from labor day on and will continue playing this race like she is double digits behind, not like she is three, four, five, six points add. >> let me ask you really quickly both of you, will you answer quickly, brendan, is the debate only thing that could

move the needle in a dramatic way? >> um, perhaps. um, we have long said debates don't really matter and then joe biden blew that up for us. as long as she has a decent performance i don't know that will be something dramatic. i think it will be really close the entire way home and nobody is going to be able to jump ahead to a comfortable margin. >> okay, last word to you, ameshia, on the debate. >> i think that is absolutely true because debates don't really move the needle unless you follow your face. a fortune, joe biden had a very bad debate performance. with that said, i don't believe kamala harris will have anywhere near that. donald trump is going to be donald trump. people are used to in trump and being shady and that will not move the cycle, either. we will see the movement going to happen in communities across the country with taking the mobilization to the street. >> ameshia cross and brendan buck, we will see you guys next week, i hope. big news about the buddy in gaza coming to a temporary stop . the reason why next.

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people were killed, many of them, most of them, civilians, according to the health authorities. that did not stop it but this is a polio infection. one child has been infected. we know they have tested positive but there was detection in the water. this is a very, very alarming medical development. polio has been almost entirely eradicated because of vaccines throughout the entire world. i was speaking with the organization had today. he said, really, just afghanistan and pakistan we still see polio. here in the gaza strip, just where i am nearby in tel aviv, we have seen at least one case. as i said, there are trace infections of the water. i want to show you a little bit from a mother who just got hurt children vaccinated for polio. the thing is here, the great tragedy of this disease is that it is not curable but it is entirely venable because it is

a reasonably easily accessible vaccine but the only thing is getting them to the children. that is the real issue here. here is this mother speaking. [ speaking in a global language ] >> reporter: >> reporter: as you have heard, she is speaking about water, about cleaning. this is the problem, polio is very, very infectious. it is spread through contaminated water. ever since october 7 and israel's incursion into the gaza strip, purifying the water has been, you know, just terribly denigrating. that is the situation for mothers of children, the efforts is to try to get 90% sign of children under seven

vaccinated. we will see that rolling out in the next couple of weeks. >> i hope they get that all done. it is so important. thank you, matt bradley, for that. coming up next, new documentary that just debuted that follows the maga movement on and continuing after january sixth. sixth. ank you, verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (woman) all with the security features we need. (aaron) because my businesses are my life. (kevin) man, the fish tacos are blowing up! (aaron) so whatever's next we're cooking with fire. let's make it happen! (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on. the beard that doesn't itch. and you're using king c. gillette on that thing? king c. gillette? look! this beard trimmer pro's got 40 length settings and this beard oil's one of gq's best beard conditioner for soft, no-itch facial hair. the best a man can get... is king c. gillette.

i think i think it might be legal. it's -- it's floatable. see [ bleep ] my survival. this is all medical. trauma [ bleep ] bullet wounds, tampons because they are great, people are like, [ bleep ], we are going to have a civil war. i like, i have been [ bleep ] planning for this for 10 [ bleep ] years. are you kidding me? >> a new film making its debut this week at the venice film festival documents the

tensions, preparations and violence before and during the january 6th insurrection. "homegrown" follows right wing activists as they sought to build a right-wing movement they hoped would outlast even a second donald trump presidency. joining me now is a director of the film, michael, welcome. you started the research for this documentary in 2018 and filmed through 2021. first of all, what sparked the idea and why did you settle on these three men? >> thank you so much for having me on. it is a pleasure to be here. um, you know, listening to the escalation of the rhetoric following the 2008 election, the 2012 election, i was really curious to better understand the sort of growing movement that is losing faith in democracy's ability to protect our interests and are

increasingly interested and have committed they are willing to use violence and the threat of violence to get what they want. so i wanted to see who these people are from a ground-level perspective. and so we set out in 2019 to build relationships and meet people interested in sharing their story of who they are and follow them. we could have never imagined we would end up where we ended up but it was quite the ride. >> yeah, we have served the >> certainly heard a lot about the violence that was committed during the 2020 election. this is a particularly disturbing moment from the film. >> we should have [ bleep ] tied in t for to the pole right here in the back. >> dude, you tie him like jesus [ bleep ], crucify them. >> tie them up. >> mail them. >> duct tape, broke, duct tape. >> with no clothing on. >> 100%. >> no clothing. >> you have to.

>> is this among the scarier things you heard and saw while filming? are there things you could include in the film, "homegrown"? >> yeah, that was the challenge of making a film is that there was so much talk of violence, just casual violence and, um, it was so pervasive that you had to sort of pick and choose so we could build a !m film tha was effective at communicating what it wells. >> it seems these activists we have most listened to in these clips were sentenced to 12 years while insulting the judge, one of the longest prison terms of anyone charged in the insurrection. have you spoken with him or his families in sentencing? have you gotten in touch with anyone you followed in your

film? >> we just premiered on thursday. no one has seen it yet. i am curious to see how they will react to it. i have not talked to chris since he was sentenced but i was in touch with him when he was in the d.c. city jail awaiting trial. he was defiant up until the moment of sentencing he was being railroaded and misrepresented, despite the mountain of video evidence the department of justice presented at trial. >> do these activists, michael, think they will outlast former president donald trump? let's take jd vance, for example. do you sense the maga movement is here for the long haul? >> yeah, that's right. the maga movement and many participants and what are the maga moment self identify as a patriot movement. the patriot movement has its roots in the 1980s. the maga expression of this movement is just the latest iteration and so i do see there are people, like jd vance and other people, that are emerging to help carry the mantle.

when folks in this movement often talk about how they want to unify america, all they are talking about is unify conservatives. even with the maga movements, they effectively unify the broad spectrum of conservatives in a way we have not seen in a couple decades. that is really a sign of things to come, i think. >> some of your footage captures the danger on january 6th. what was it like being in there and did you film inside the capitol, too? >> it was a wild day. you know, the attack on the u.s. capitol was an event that was planned. absolutely shocked completed because we cannot imagine it happening in the way that it did. we did not make hait inside the building. we were just in a tunnel inside the west terrace, that is