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the police were called, it turned out that in complete unsanitary conditions, among mountains of garbage and things, the children lived with their father. on the same day, the boys were taken from the man; their mother stated in our studio that she had no idea where her sons lived. he didn't say that he just had even this is the state where he lives. everything was fine, i was in touch with them every day, i saw that they were healthy, dressed, and clean. her eldest son is 6 years old, the middle one is four, and the youngest is two, the woman said. she lived with them and her new lover in samara, when the father wanted to take the boys to stay, she did not object. their father took them a month ago, about a week or so plus. anastasia assured that the main thing for her now is to return the children. it was a shock for me, i didn’t sleep, i didn’t eat, i just wanted to see children, so that they just forget about everything, about this situation, to provide them with the same life as it was with me, such a nightmare did not happen to me.

the children's father's indignation knew no bounds when he heard what his ex-lover was saying in our studio. now our guest is artur talipov. arthur, there was no limit to your indignation; in general, there was no limit to our indignation when we saw footage from the basement where you lived with the children. what surprised you so much about anastasia’s story before they ended up in the basement? nastya lived with them in apartment, about two months before that, she and i finally quarreled, i just left to live in my basement there, it was my work space, well, like a workshop, then she decided to go to her boyfriend, to a new one, she found a guy, she i haven’t even seen him yet, i decided to take the children there to samara, when she was there with the children, she says, she calls me, she says, do you want to take the children, i say, of course, and i went and took them when you took the children, before new year, it turns out that the children lived with you... not for a month,

as anastasia told us about it, well four or five, something like that. do you have any facts to support this? children's tickets, which go to there as i picked them up on the train. samara departure date, december 18. well, yes, from that moment on they were like that with me. you remember, we were just discussing this and asked her several times how the children were, well, what documents did they travel with, how did you give them, that is, she couldn’t. not to remember that it was 5 months ago, and not a month, i would absolutely agree with the documents, it’s difficult to mix up a month of five, but why do you think? well, i think that she was 100% hiding something and we’ll just find out now, it’s completely beyond the bounds, how can you not remember not seeing your children for 5 months or a month at all, this is inexplicable to me. arthur, when you took the children in december, you had some documents in your hands for them, everything in full. after all, you are not their official

father, and she gave me all the documents, there were three birth certificates for all the children, all the medical cards, then all the insurance policies. medical in general everything is a complete set documents, the whole heap, even photographs and even her documents, half of my documents, and did you have some kind of power of attorney from her? no, we wanted to make a power of attorney, but they told us, we called arzhd, they told us that it’s not necessary, you can deceive the children this way, that is, it’s not necessary, that is, they just imprisoned you without problems, well, yes, why does arthur think, that if he had not taken the children to the basement, trouble could have happened; the children, i swear to you, cried at the mere mention of his name. he just says he hits us with a belt, he also says he hits my mother with a belt too. shocking details and parents meeting face to face in our studio immediately after a short pause. buy

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was giving her sons to you? well, you knew, right? in fact, it’s just the course of circumstances that such a terrible mess, which in principle could have been there for me, just happened, well, the shooting got there, well, how can i say, this is what you call a coincidence, well, yes, 70% of the time it was clean there, but about 30% of the time it was a mess, yes, well, because i can’t. so explain why it's such a mess in general, when we lived with her, she was against raising them so that they would observe some kind of frequency, that is, at the academic school, when we lived, it was a terrible mess, there were cockroaches, they actually applied for guardianship for her, my sister, my aunt, filed for guardianship of her so that she could be deprived of her rights for this mess that she was causing, but she didn’t let me raise them. arthur, that is , you... you want to say that all this was done by the children, but in fact , you just throw them something

to eat, yes, they eat, throw everything, then run around on the sofa, you know, how it all gets mixed up into one huge pile of mess, and it has to be constantly cleaned up, and in between this i had to earn money, but nevertheless, arthur, we see what we see, and these photographs were shocking the whole country, but for a reason, you probably talk about it quite calmly, as if it were. a small misunderstanding, but children should not live like this, my only opportunity, the maximum comfort that i could create for them, i created at that moment, first i laid two layers of cardboard on the floor, then laid linoleum, then bought two carpets, put them in so that it would be warm so that they could normally, installed soft lights on each carpet for toys so that they could play on each carpet, made small tables especially for convenience for them, you know, i’m in basically shocked by everything that was said, i... well, it doesn’t compare with the adequacy of people, that this is the norm, it

’s just terrible, it’s scary, it’s definitely beyond the bounds, i’m also a mother of many children, and this is just scary, children shouldn't be in such living conditions, well, this is just some kind of garbage dump, having now heard from dad to throw at or as you said, are these dogs or something? she just left them with me, then she lived with this guy, realized what kind of person he was, and after about a month she was ready to take

them there to him, she took them there to him, when i started calling the children, she stopped picking up the phone , i just left like that, yelling in the room, because i couldn’t get through to her, i didn’t understand what was happening there with the children, with mine, then, when she finally gave me the phone, i started talking to amir and he says to me: dad, take us away from here, please, we are being beaten here, the boy said who was beating him, yes, this is her roommate, and i flew there and immediately took them, he tells me what? you understood that you needed to change your conditions a little so that they could live, well, together

with you, yes, you understand, i just hugged them, i came, that’s it, here they are sitting, that’s it, nothing else for me, i went to look for food, this linoleum there, you know, well, i just arranged what i could, at least somehow, settled down, installed the internet as best i could, i trained them programming, taught them how to write, i worked with them, and the children had clothes, yes, they had all the clothes, but what did you feed the children? rice, buckwheat, pasta, potatoes, buckwheat with milk, sometimes rice with milk, or just pasta with butter, just butter, tomatoes, cucumbers, i bought fruit for, well, how can i say, when i... christina, and the children in is it possible to not eat meat at all at this age? no, you can’t, the main source of iron is meat, no, yes, a child

is a growing organism that needs proteins and meat, at least meat. it's iron, iron we need hemoglobin, hemoglobin is the basis, well, in essence, our body, if there is not enough oxygen in the body, how will life processes in the body be ensured, arthur, did you cook for them, i cooked in a pressure cooker, washed the children, where are you, well i had this yellow basin there, basically, there was a sink with hot cold water, i inserted a pipe there, put a shower on the pipe, put it on the other end, made this type of shower in the field, so i washed them there and that’s it , then he took it away... he dragged the towel into room, then set it up, they continued to go about their business, clean. arthur, did rats and insects really live in this basement with you and your children? no, rats have started infested - already in the last month, because children throw a lot of food, you know, on the floor and everywhere, a lot of peels, from fruits, from all this , rats just started smelling, i didn’t have much

time to find traps that would n’t kill them, you feel sorry for the rats, you... no, we had a pigeon, yes, a pigeon, well, we were walking, we came right to our door, there was a pigeon sitting, we got it they took him, they came out, he began to live with us and lived with us, sunlight generally penetrated into this basement, no, well, there was one window, but it was on the other side, well, their room did not penetrate into their room, not from sunlight, ventilation i was there, and you gave us a tour especially for us. in that very basement. attention to the screen. 2 m underground, semi-dark, pipes, wires, computer parts and speakers everywhere. in this basement of a st. petersburg high-rise building, he tried to create a children's world for his sons, says thirty-six-year-old arthur talipov, i made beds, hung the alphabet, and insulated the floor. i laid two layers of cardboard first, then linoleum, then carpet, so that

the children would not be cold. and i did everything small on purpose, well, you see, everything is small, low. it's like a children's world. under one of the tables is hiding the same pigeon that the children had instead of pets, there the pigeon climbed up somewhere, the boys never got sick here, says the father, and so that there was more oxygen in the stuffy dungeon, he even bought plants, the children looked after the plants , but he left it so that there was simply more air here, although in reality there is so much air here, for entertainment the children had phones, computer games, a paint microscope, we didn’t like to just use sheets, so they also drew there in the suitcase. you can see the masks directly with your fingers, so they are all covered in paint. his sons’ favorite foods are baked goods and milk, cookies, says the father of many children. arthur cooked porridge for the children in a slow cooker and fried potatoes on an induction hob. water, potatoes, you throw everything in oil, it fried. vegetables, fruits, of course, but mostly seasonal fruits, when they cost 400 grapes, i don’t take them. all the plumbing in the basement is working, but instead of a shower there is just

a pipe. the plans were to install a shower stall here, but it did not fit the dimensions, says the man. the children washed themselves in this basin, when the water poured, they sat there, made fun of themselves, washed themselves there, it certainly doesn’t look very good, but there were no other conditions, arthur learned to cope in spartan conditions without a washing machine, so you just take it here, yes, whatever you put it there, here it is you pour this kind of thing, liquid powder for half an hour, after half an hour all the things are clean, all that remains is to rinse everything, i’m shocked, i’m a mother myself, my heart aches for these children, the living conditions. unsuitable, you need fresh air, good food, because here it is completely unsanitary, to be honest, and unsafe, because you have wires and electricity everywhere, children are simply not allowed to live there. sergey, how do you like these conditions? this is beyond the bounds, of course, but he is trying to take care of the children in this situation, which i see that he

loves, sincerely, tries in the world to direct his powers to his children, to raising them, all he knows, obviously, is the course of circumstances, and he needs help. tasha, last time we saw only photographs of this basement, now we saw the full picture, how about you, how terrible it was then, how terrible it is now, i don’t understand, you, arthur, have two legs and two arms, why can’t you go make money on to an apartment, did you just take the children to nowhere, to communal apartments?

15, and you have the opportunity to earn more for renting this basement, as much as you pay no, no, no, i don’t know how to earn more, honestly, we are all adults, we have all faced difficulties, we all have... after they finish kindergarten , they are fed in kindergarten, they have regime, schedule, there is medical care , they don’t go through all the examinations, they look at

their development, and you, due to the lack of your status with these children, you are not a father, you didn’t have a single document or legal basis to enroll them in kindergarten, you understand, you just had to go to court and establish paternity. arthur, what happened on the day when your children were taken away from you? i just went. to the store for groceries, i came back, the children were sleeping when you left, no, i just forgot to close the basement, the door to close everything, you come back, what do you see, i come back, the police are standing, and the youngest is sitting behind, here the door opens, neighbor, neighbor here i put it there, and covered it with a blanket, then they ask me, they ask what it is, someone’s children, and what are you doing there, in short , i say, yes, i live here in seven basement, they say that you live here in the basement, they ran there quickly to look, here are the children, they say, give us the documents, you are a rapist, you are a scumbag and, in short, what are you? all the documents, but they brought you to the police department? they brought me, yes, they kept me in the monkey barn for two days, when you were released, did you immediately contact the children’s mother? i

contacted my mother as soon as the police arrived, 5 minutes later i called her, how did she react, how did it happen, something like that, and how soon she has a new man appeared after your breakup? she had him even before i found out about him, for about a couple of months she locked herself in the toilet and sat on the phone, she met him there, and for a month or two she... hid it from me, and how did you find out that she has a lover, saw her, went into her bath while she was playing, took her phone, saw this whole correspondence, how they told me, and before that did anastasia ever cheat on you , i suspected, but i can’t say, they probably don’t know, there were moments when we, well, she wasn’t somewhere, i didn’t know where she was, there was something else, well, there were such moments, but i can’t say anything, whether she cheated on me or not, now you intend to fight for all three children , yes? what are you willing to do for this? we have already filed an application for paternity in court to establish dna, we are waiting for the results when we are given permission,

then i will look for official work and housing, respectively, and why didn’t you immediately register your children at birth? we didn’t have money, i wanted the payments to be paid maternity capital, for the sake of maternity capital, and an allowance so that there is, yes, arthur, you are now fighting so hard for your children, do you think that you are more than anastasia? raise them with dignity, of course, but the mother of your children doesn’t think so, today she also came to our studio, anastasia aktemirova. hello anastasia, hello, how long has it been since you saw your ex-lover? on april 9, we saw each other at night, just after the police station, where i initially arrived and immediately went, i honestly feel very sorry for him, that in general this whole situation with... i want the only thing is to understand why you want

to take them there, specifically to him, they don’t love him and hate him, they are afraid of him, this is not true, i explained this to you many times, i think it’s not true, they cry when you talk about him, well, this is how you imagine the situation, bring the children and sit them down, we will talk about it, see how it will look, unfortunately, with joy, but this is not possible, i would gladly give it to the mother. children only without this young man, you insist that we live in st. petersburg, and we chose another city to live, you know, if i were in a relationship now, yes, it doesn’t matter with which person, this does not play a role in my decision, this is the most important thing, with whom my children will live, the future of the children is important to me, anastasia, you you know, i agree with arthur that this is important, because arthur told us that your sons called him and said that your new chosen one was beating them, this is an absolute lie, firstly... i and my children always controlled their calls, because that the son is not yet old enough to take it himself dial, yes, on the phone to your father, but you are sure that your new lover

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made me very strong. dad asked, take us away from here, please, he took the belt, he said, now i will educate you, he began to beat them, she said, you will not beat them, he began to beat her, that’s what the children told me, this is not true, the boys’ mother assures thirty-one-year-old anastasia aktimirova. and emphasizes that her new chosen one replaced the children’s father, a man in in the future, he will also be the father according to the children’s documents, and he is ready for this. i think arthur is still jealous. anastasia: where did arthur get the information that your new young man did not threaten him, saying that he would take the children, you threatened us initially, when the children went to live with arthur, we called, i called, i said : “arthur, maybe i can pick it up already?” he said, "no." only after and if you come here with your new man, i will kill him, i will be imprisoned, the children will be sent to an orphanage, this was arthur’s answer, and of course, for their part, as men, they really negotiated there, everything was as it was, i was offended by her, because she didn’t just give me 10,000, she

helped me, you mean, and never showed me the bills, in fact, she tells me that she hasn’t been paid benefits for six months, she hasn’t even been registered for a year, but i don’t believe it, yes, she’s spending money there on this boyfriend of hers... they rent a house there with this money, which he told me, if you want, he took the children, then don’t ask anything about money, he was telling me over the phone, i say, i mean, you want to hang out there with my children’s money or something, anastasia, but this really happened, you really lived on your children’s money with your new chosen one, no, but i didn’t have registration, i couldn’t receive any payments, this is the first, second thing, that the person, the person who is asking us, i don’t have it, i don’t work, yes, the person helped him, that is, he gave it to me.

these are the tickets that his sister bought for him so that he could come pick up the children, at that moment i i simply refused him this, we were not ready to give up the children, that is, he came, but did not take the children, no, he did not, arthur, he made this up, that is, you came and took the children on this ticket, tasha, who do you believe more? now, i believe anastasia, because she says it calmly, not like, not like arthur, this is it, wait, but now i’ll destroy everyone here. who will buy tickets if, well, if children are not allowed? here we have a ticket dated december 18, i would like to ask both of them one question, with whom did the children celebrate the new year? with us they were with me, we also went to watch the fireworks, walked a little and came, both parents

are trying to protect themselves in this situation and maybe in this case it’s not bad, because everyone in the future will try to fight for the children, because mom and dad want, so that the children live with him, and here i am only interested in one question, here... my mother , knowing that the father is not included in the birth certificate, according to the documents, the father is nobody to them, and you know, the first reaction when i saw news feed this video, it really spread all over the country very quickly, the comment i wrote was, why did you get the idea that he is their father at all, because legally he is just a stranger who kept three children in the basement, now, as i watch this picture, i understand that he loves them , he is a very kind person, he took care of them, but he did not have any financial literacy, legal literacy.

contact the guardianship authorities, ask them, that is, what they require from me, yes, i contacted the guardianship authorities, they told me everything specifically what their requirements are them, for example, demands for living conditions in the same samara where i will take my children, that is, they must issue me a certificate, again showing that it is possible to live here with children, all conditions have been created here, these documents are handed over to the authorities like this is st. petersburg, and there a decision is made based on my statement that i... ask, on the basis of all this, to give me my children, the most important thing is registration, i found a person who will help me register me and my children, albeit temporarily, but on the basis this way i can officially conclude an agreement with the house, why

doesn’t your boyfriend register you with him and take the children, as you say, as he wishes and wants, he has no property, well, you probably rented a house for the children with these money , no, he works, anastasia, and you know that arthur intends to return the children to himself, you talked to him, i said, i will let you visit the children, but only on my territory, if you want, you can come to us, stay with us, but i will never give them to him on my own again.

a very pretty girl, and to be honest, i wanted to protect her somehow, because the girl grew up in an orphanage according to her stories and, well, i wanted to accept her as you know, like my own daughter, and you and arthur have a close relationship, yes, of course, she’s like a mother to me if it weren’t for her, i wouldn’t have survived in this world at all, i was alone, just without parents, as if she always looked after me. didn't you have parents? no, our parents died, dad was killed, it

was an accident, and mom was seriously ill, she had bad kidneys, this happened a long time ago, well, when mom died, i was about 12 years old, it was 2002, when dad died, i was 18, and arthur was four, you became the official guardian of your brother, yes, of course, you helped arthur and anastasia get on their feet when they first decided to live like a family, she helped us all her life, i always helped them, financially, with some... advice, always in general, everything they needed from me, some kind of support in any area, i always provide housing, yes, of course, i was always ready, when their first child was born, they lived with you, but in for 8 months, that is, you helped with registration, with registration, well, with registration, but how can you characterize anastasia as a mother, well, you know, at first i can’t say that... she was a bad mother, but what happened then? children could fall asleep at 2:00 in the morning, they

could run and just fall to the floor to sleep on the floor, so they were dirty, unkempt, dirty strollers, that is, completely without a twinge of conscience, a person drove out, put the child, well, just in a terribly dirty stroller , in a terrible way ask how you know this, living in moscow, but how do i know, i was with you, i came to you many times. then i was against it, arthur was against it, he

loves his children very much, we had to endure, at least i had to endure, because arthur is not officially a father, and nastya always manipulated this, she said that you are even here no one, your brother is no one here, you didn’t think about going to court for guardianship, i applied for guardianship, there was already a boiling point when i arrived and well, there was something simply unimaginable, there were cockroaches...

pick them up, who do you think will be better for the children? i think that the children will be better off with arthur, because he sincerely loves them, and i will help him, but then how did it happen that his sons... ended up in the basement, the fact is that anastasia moved out of that apartment on her own , who was allocated under a social tenancy agreement, moved to this rented apartment, our rented apartment in st. petersburg is not cheap, and accordingly the money went to pay for this

apartment, she lived there for a month, lived for two, and by this time the tour was already living in in your basement there was not enough money and... at that moment she began to fall in love with the internet, that is , she announced at one certain moment that she was taking her children to samara, so we called each other and began to discuss this situation, i said: arthur, well we don’t know what kind of person there is in samara, it turns out that this person, i don’t know whether this is accurate information or not, that he is 26 years old, and that it turns out he had a criminal record, we were just horrified and i say, well then go urgently to the station and pick up the children, that ’s it.

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to interfere in any way in the future of my life with children, i have one goal - to take the children, i will take them, but the sister of a father with many children, forty-nine-year-old aleftina dimidova , is completely on her brother’s side, she is sure the children will be better off with him, nastya knew where she was sending the children, in what conditions, hers didn’t stop her, she arranged her personal life. aleftin, were you in this basement yourself? of course she was. and how do you like the conditions? i can’t say that, let’s say, children should live in these conditions, but these children were in this basement, happy, healthy. there were no other options where to live. arthur, a man with a salary of 50-60 thousand rubles. even in st. petersburg he can take his children somewhere better than the basement. these are your nephews.

show that she is good and her face, this smile and her voice, hear her voice, yes, it is very affected, she is a very good actress, and practically i think that she has a pathological lie, she simply rambles from the first to the last word , and with us, of course, i believe that she loves her children, but we have ambivalent feelings, called, on the one hand nastya loves children, but on the other she has sides on the other side of the scale, this is her now free life with child support, but she doesn’t...

it really was after a conversation with arthur, he called me, said that the children would stay with us, and my sister just it will help, this is an idea that you warmly supported, the sister will get guardianship over them, yes, that will help, of course, well, not guardianship, but something so that a person will be assigned to the children, that is, yes, i think this is guardianship , and you , in turn, would give up these children, naturally, we live only with children, i, because she was never ready to live with children, how...

taking children away and raising them is insincere, i'm sure of it. our next guest agrees with you, she replaced anastasia’s

mother and long ago realized that the girl was not the same. who anastasia's aunt, valentina gavrilova, pretends to be in the studio. hello valentin, good afternoon. valentina, how old was anastasia when you took her into your care? nastya was 11 years old, and i kind of became a pikun, by inheritance, i knew nastya from the age of one and a half, a good girl, gentle, kind, so diligent, attentive, well, somewhere. about 16 years old, she began to change, you know, there was one person, he becomes another, when teeth, one might say, began to appear, and then fangs, i realized that something was wrong here, that is, she stopped listened to me, understood me, began to run away from home at night, i realized that i could not cope with my guardianship, there were

only complaints against me, i owed money. was, she even demanded an apartment from you, well, she crossed her legs, but the relationship went sour i needed an apartment, in general everything was so bad, and information began to reach me that nastya was simply throwing mud at me, because i loved her like that, but it turns out that she’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, her appearance is soft, gentle , quiet voice. in reality it turns out as if , you know, there would be more blood and she would quarrel between me and my youngest daughter, she would quarrel between me and my own father, that’s when it all comes together, and now you’re sitting there and thinking, i’m the one who raised the snake. under the heart it turns out, this she-wolf forever skins that need to drink blood, someone with the blood of loved ones, i was happy

that aunt valya would take me from the nursery...

it’s just that when i saw all this, then i watched the program, you know, it’s just, as they say, i was demolishing the tower, simply because the children, how it was possible to do this, i couldn’t find words, and then nastya called me on monday, asked for support with registration, and i responded to this, first of all, i didn’t recognize her voice, because that i haven’t heard him

for many years, i haven’t heard him for 7 years, so...

a new acquaintance offends them, like this, he beats them, like this, by the way, the words of the children, so as not to be unfounded, were confirmed by the doctors of the hospital where they were when... i was on the social policy committee of the city of st. petersburg, the head of the department of guardianship and trusteeship, and the committee on social policy, confirmed these words that nastya’s new acquaintance beats children. zulfiya, terrible things have been said, accusations that anastasia’s new lover is beating her children, how can i check this? psychologists work with this, specialists work with this guardianship authorities. who have special education to conduct preventive conversations with children, where they, as psychologists, determine whether this is an invention of the children, if the commission confirms that such

circumstances can be traced in the testimony of all children, right up to criminal liability, you know, arthur’s friend has no doubt that he is a worthy father, and the children should stay with him, our guest is andrey lepikhov, hello! andrey, hello, is it possible to help him? how long have you been communicating with arthur? well we have known the school since the ninth grade, he is a good person, a good friend, at least when he leaves if there are any problems. what is arthur like, father? a good father came to visit, he worked with the child, they drew together and went for walks, assembled construction sets. what do you think would be better for the children: staying with their mother, staying with their father, or even an orphanage or shelter. no, i think there is no orphanage, i think that children should stay with artpur. why with your father and not with your mother? well, if she gave him the children she left somewhere, why can she do this a second time? which parent has a better chance

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