of children have to be annihilated, this is not a war, it is systematic genocide, but whatever they palestine will never die, hello, i'm chris williamson and you're watching palestine declassified, we're the only weekly tv show focusing investigating and exposing the israeli regime's global war against solidarity with the illegally occupied people of palestine. this week's

show we'll be looking at the relentles and unflinching determination of the palestinian people to throw off the shackles of ziness depression. the sadistic brutality of zinist military goons and the savage behavior of illegal settlers have completely failed to blunt the will of the palestinian people to resist. has been looking back the first infader when the palestinian people rose up against israel's military occupation of the west bank and the gaza strip. the first interfather or upprising began. in december 1987, 36 years ago, it ended in september 1993 with the signing of the first oslo accords, which provided a framework for so-called peace negotiations with the palestinians. the failure of that process is visible for all to see the in the first israeli brutalities abundantly demted. in palestinians were casualties at the ratio of more than 3 to1. one new departure were the orders from the top to break the bones of protesters. the tactic was exposed in famous of footage broadcast on mainstream news. news

networks the world over was tried for his part in these crimes, he blamed then defense minister yitzak rabin who gave orders in january 1988 to break bones of protesters as punishment. rabbin claimed it was only to bring them under control. either way, rabin's orders had gone out via the israeli press where he was quoted saying, "we will break their bones." may admitted ordering beatings, but then said, "i feel like they abandoned me and threw me to the dogs." he reportedly began to cry minutes later and asked for a recess, though eventually found guilty of brutality, the highest ranking iof soldier convict on that charge, he avoided prison and was only stripped of his rank and discharged as a private. second departure was the use of undercovered descords in gazza and west bank, code named shim sham and dave devan, officially known as unit 367 and unit 217. operating in arab dress in the period and 1992 they... executed more than 100

patinians. unit 367 was later disbanded, but of unit 217 remains active in the west bank. the start of the interfather is dated to 9th of december 1987. just like october 7th this year, the conflict did not in then. the proximal causes were intensified ethnic cleansing, land expropriation and settlement construction. increasing zionist repression, the emergence of new layer of palestinian activists who challenged the leadership of the plo. we should not forget. the striking rekuring of october flood operating of the gliders in which gorillas used and gliders to of infiltrate the northern border and kill six occupation force operatives on 25th of november 1987. the gorillas were immortalized in many palestinian posters images produced in commemoration. the hand gliding attack has held from the popular front for the liberation of palestine, which is one of the key gorilla groups engaged in the alocks of flood and gazza. key difference between then and now is today's unity of the fields in which all the major factions collaborate

closely in armed actions against the occupation. as always, we're joined by president expert david miller. david's an academic and a former professor at bristol university and he's now a non-resident senior research fellow at the center of islam and global affairs at istanbul sam university. he's also a co-director of the l watch dog spinwatch and the leading british critic of israel. our guest today is the palestinian doctor, activist, academic and writer dr. gardha cary. gardha was born in jerusalem and forced from the home. during the nakback she later trained as a medical doctor and established the first british palestinian medical charity in 1972. she's also associate fellow at the royal institute for international affairs and her books include the bestselling memoir in search of fatima. welcome to the show. let me start. i mean you you forced out of palestine in 1948 were you and then witness the occupation of gaza and the west bank from a far in 1967. i wonder whether you could just recall how you felt at the time of the first tofada? well... "i had,

of course, i had already uh become an activist following the 1967 war, because it a was the first time i remember that i began to understand what israel was..." about and it was very clear to me from that day on that what they were about was occupying the rest of palestine and that that's what they wanted. the first father was so hopeful, it was wonderful moment for all of us who had felt a kind of sense of despair as you know living through the 70s in israel's becoming more and more accepted and it was becoming more more normalized and you know so we... started to feel a bit hopeless that you and then comes the first anti father and you think, well we didn't was first that comes the intefather and which and which reasserts the fact that the these palestinian people and they are not willing to accept what is

has been scripted for them by israel and its western backers and by the way in any discussion we have we have always to remember that israel would net be israel if it were not for western support? no, absolutely. well, mean, you've been involved in the pro palestinian activism, for quite some time. i think you were first got involved you in the question of joying to far in 1987, and think i was have to say those brutal beatings, wasn't it of those palestinian protesters? yes, mean, one of the first things i ever did i suppose pro, didn't really think of it, then was when we saw the breaking of the bones, the famous footage of that. the bbc reported one of the soldiers who had been arrested for breaking of the bones being shown home released from custody to his kiboots and he was welcomed as gentle giant who was returning with his family and we were just outraged at this time i was working at the university media group i was young not even a phd by that stage and went into

something in glasgow called video box which is there was several around the country uh where channel 4's right to reply program one the key benefits the creation of channel 4 in terms of democratizing the media. you could go in and you could make a 30 second to complain about something so we went in, i think three or four of us crammed into this box, we did this thing, it's an outrage that bbc should refer to these terrific tortures as being mental giants, the bbc should we have proper coverage of this, so it was one of my first bits of education about the way in which praganda operates in relation to to zm essentially, yeah, absolutely, and of course it's moved a pace since then of course, but god, mean how was the zinist regime oppressive techniques changed since the 1980s when they officially sanctioned kind of bone breaking. punishment beatings and these uh undercover assassinations, well we have got worse uh, they don't bother to break people's bow, they shoot them dead, so that has become it is amazing that the idea and the spectacle of uh soldiers that

shooting palestinians, killing them, yes outright has become so um part of the normal landscape, yeah and that's what's so frightening about all this is that zist violence which was there right from the start. and you mentioned that um i was victim the nakbah in 1938, the point about that nba uh as as in the same point today is the violence, is the violence that accompanies zinanism, and so that violence meant that uh moving on from breaking bones just simply shoot the people dead, indeed, indeed, it's much more visible now, i think there is it than it has ever been in the past, the advent of social media, so more more people are are aware of the what the, the time i think this was the beginning of viable peace process didn't they but as it turned out that was just wishful thinking wasn't it? yes if you recall in that period we had the irish peace process we had the south african peace

process we had we had mandela released from prison uh it looked like this was part of a general tency in the world to move towards uh resolving political conflicts of course that was a... mistake we we see now that nothing of this was happening and the fact of course what happened the plo had recognized the zionist entity and that also uh renounced uh armed resistance against this entity and that course to the marginalizing of the palestinian authority of course the the comp authority as it is and which collaborates directly with the zionists to repress the palestinian resistance movement but it meant that the power and the resistance shifted away from plo especially from fata the leading faction in the plo and towards more openly islamically oriented movements, especially of course hamas and palestinian islamic jihad, but you also let's remember the the uh the secularist leftist factions like the dflp, the pflp uh, which are which are of course all these factions now at the center of resistance in gaza, yeah i do, but

god in your opinion, what was the problem with with the oslo process? well, well there was nothing right with it actually, it it was full of problems, the first... "the first issue is that the uh palestinian side offered recognition of israel within borders of um the..." borders which meant that kept 70% of the original land of palestine recognized their right to that, i'll actually geting little in return because what they actually got was a recognition on the part of israel the palestine liberation organization as the movement that represents the palestinians, okay, good, but that's not good enough, there was not people really need to remember, there was nothing in the oslo agreement which made... is it mandatory that the israel would move towards assisting integration ofinian

state? that was never overty stated. it was something that the palestinians sort of assumed, lots of other people assumed, but they had no right to assume it, it wasn't in the accords. and secondly, what it really did was to sort of give a structure to the idea of autonomy, of palestinian autonomy. in certain spheres, which was around for for ages, the israel treaty 1979 already was something which the israeli side was willing to agree to, and so-called autonomy, well, that's what oslo did, it allowed for autonomy, but for things like health, education, civil society type things, but not for defense, and not for freedom of movement, it it all it really did was give if i think the best way to put it is it it presented a

sort of feel good yes thing to other people well well we just leave it there if we can because i want to come back to the discussion a while you've had a chance to look at our next video about the genesis of haas from hamas is an acronym harakat which trans translates into english simply as islamic resistance movement. resistance is, in other words, literally part of its name. hamas was effectively born as a direct result of the spark that lit the flame of the first interfada. the people who created it met the day after occupation forces killed four palestinian workers by crashing into their car at the gaza checkpoint a issued on december the 14th, calling for resistance is considered the first public intervention, though the name hamas itself. was not used until early 1988, like its key ally in the

palestinian resistance, islamic jihad movement in palestine, usually called palestinian islamic jihad or pij, in the west, hamas was formed from the muslim brotherhood, but the brotherhood was politically quitus at the time, both hamas and islamic jihad became more radical, seeking to challenge the dominance of fat, the secular nationalist group, then hegemonic amongst palestinians, this time came all the... central want fatah accepted the existence of the state of israel and announced arm struggle. looking back, it is clear that the first interfather was a fork in the road between those who believed compromise could lead to progress and those who maintained only resistance could win. hamas was formed one month after a pl led declaration advocating coexistence with the zinis entity early 1988. after oslo and then gaza withdrawal in 2005, hamas entered and won the election. in gaza and became the defacto government. the armed wing of hamas

is aldin al-qasim gaid has been manded as a terrorist organization for more than 20 years. in late 2021, the uk moved to bahamas in total, including its political wing. since the launch of alxa flood on october 7, there has been propaganda war over the role of hamas in the resistance in the idea that hamas was created or supported by the zionists. this misunderstands the... history by confusing the support given by the zionists to the politically quietest muslim brotherhood in order to undermine the more radical plo with the more militant politics associated with hamas. later when ariel sharon attempted to liquidate the plo, hamas did benefit, but its victory in the 2006 election marked the realization of the zionis that it had become their main enemy. since then they were marked periods when the various factions of the resistance were odds with each other. but in the most recent year all the resistance factions have made peace and work as one, just word to muslim

palestine, so the muslim brotherhood is a transnational movement if you like with independent in different in the uk, and of course it's been very much targeted uh in this country, for example is investigation uh by the king government, which is prompted by sinust interests lobbing for for that investigation trying to suggest muslim brotherhood. terrorists, muslim brother is not terrorist organization and uh in this country it is politically active uh in has been the anti war movement important in palestine there were two separate factions of the muslim brother, the egyptian muslim brotherhood and the jordanian muslim brotherhood and gaza, yeah, and they were at the time quite politically quiet, so that what you found was that the plo as of radical nationalist organization was by far the most radical threat to the sign because they were in struggle, the muslim brother were not, it was a split from the muslim brotherhood which led both to palestine islam, of course is

more radical, all smaller of the minutes today, and of course... hams and once they became the radical cuting resistance that's when the idea of using them undermine the plo became something which designs want to do and of course that's the story damass was not created by by the idea that it's a cat's paw for western interest is people in the palestine mov should abandon any such and understand the resistance in is is serious resistance again not just designity but against west interest in imperialism in the whole region yeah well god, i wonder whether you just say something about the evolution of your thinking on resistance? well, look, it always very clear to me from the very from the, suppose from the very beginning of my activism or my awareness, that that we'd have to fight to get our country, it was always very clear to me that whatever name you

wanted to give it, the the the end result had to be the reclamation of palestine. and all of it for the palestinians and that those palestinians like myself, the millions living in and registered refugee camps, all those people had the right to go back and reclaim their homeland, it was always very clear to me that that was the aim, so the next question was, how do we get there, and i was really willing to support anything that, almost anything, that would... looked as if it might get us there, yeah, that included different, i never had a sort of, and i think many palestinians are like me, didn't sort of think, oh, we can only support this if it's religiously motivated, or if it's this kind of thing or that kind of, not really, i think it's much simpler than that for palestinians, they just want to get the country back, and

the back, whatever it is, that looks likely to get us there, now having said that, i can't guise the fact that i was never keen on religious type resistance movements, because always felt that they missed the point. the point about palestine is not religion, it's seft of land, it's very simple, so really you have to get hold of the thief and sort the thief out and get the land back, so you don't need religion as a as motivating factor, however i have to say that over time and observing the way not only hamas but hisb in lebanon has fort uh their resistance wars so not only bravely but so cleverly is very impressive and if and in the end i ended up by saying not only me but many as like me by saying well if it takes religion to get you

to function like this then so be it inde indeed. david, i think one of the important takeaways from the video that we just watched is that it contradicts it those who claim that hamas was created by the designs, it it does, i mean this this is a mistake that um you saw it in the film the uh equip from the the imsett making that kind of argument, but there been many other kinds of arguments like that and and you see i've seen lots of people tweeting uh um little cuttings from heret with netanyahu talking about supporting him. it's a missing, it's a misunderstanding, and of course what what we really see is the the attempt on part of the letter think to to misunderstand the resistance in palestine and to to think because of because of horror that we currently are seeing, because of the dead children, the bombing of the buildings, the raising of gaza, people think that means that the palestinians can do nothing, their only

choice is is to stay in the homes and die or to leave into the s, which of course is the design strategy, but actually what we what we see. if we pay close enough attention is that there has been really very significant resistance in gas and indeed of course in west bank uh and of course also on the northern board from hezballah very very serious resistance which has had really significant effects on the the occupation forces and we're not seeing much of the rep that the western media but if you're paying attention to social media to telegram you see lot of that kind of stuff and that it's mistakes to think that that is happening and that isn't a significant factor in in this period of course it is very very significant factor we would never have had the changes. for the the the palestinian hostages in israeli jails, if it wasn't for that, of course, of course, i mean, um, i mean, what do you say to those who insist that we must condemn hamas and pers morgan is a classic case point every guess? has on when talking about this issue, we first some, will you condemn h? what should the response be to characters like, it's good that you bring this up, because it's really infuriating, you

you are being asked very important question, and before you allowed to answer, first to make declaration, i condemn hamas, well no, the the really the proper answer to that is this not a question of condemnation, it's question of trying to understand why people behave like this, what makes the... do that, that's what really that it has to face this issue of this word condemn, you know, and the other way to deal with it, which is not original to me, but it's perfectly correct, is to ask the the person asking one this question, when did you last condemn an israeli spokes person or representative for the actions of the israeli army? there's a good response i saw... social media where somebody's asked about in administration, what about october the 7th, said, well, what about october the 8th, what about october the ninth, october the 11th, to walk away, finished answering question yet and then he

was saying, and what about you, every every day back to 1948, so yeah, i think you're absolutely - we do need to to push back against that, but look, i'm afraid to say we are out of time, so that's it for another show, i'd like to thank our guest doctor, and of course our resident expert professor david miller, palestine declassified will be. next week with more forensic investigations and analysis and in the meantime you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where post regular clips and updates. remember to share today's program on your social media platforms. so until next time, this is chris williamson, bye for now.

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