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Understanding 9/11tv Gaza Under Attack Deadlocked PRESSTV December 25, 2023 12:02pm-12:31pm IRST
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he chose to show this fight back a mainstream platform to give a fuller picture of of why this was important to why the conversation and just the absolute fact this is a reductionist yes position whenever the mainstream chooses to bring the conversation about palestinian oppression back to hamas israeli genocide back to hamas and it's been a strategy it's been a very cleverly defined. strategy, if we look any of the mainstream of platforms here, when they talk about the genocide of palestinians, they say israel, hamas war, yes, because to take it out of that framework is to acknowledge, you're killing palestinians, you're killing people, this isn't about your tin pan ideology here, it's more than that, latifa, and you what i love about this clip is later on, um, as we're seeing now actually on the screen is that she she goes to um actually showcase the the children who have... died and then she
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also mentions that this is not you know a brown person thing, this suppression exists for anyone who is um active on um on the palestinian side and we look at rachel corey who is an activist who is an american activist you know white blonde hair, blue eyes, the whole shebang and she was also again a brit um uh white man who went over there now we've only got a couple of minutes left and i know you want to power through some of what's left and and it's you know it's it's gotten to um a stage now this uh massacre of the of the palestinians and this this clear oppression that um is just a stain on on humanities record that even charities who as far as i'm aware are not allowed to demonstrate any political preference, they themselves are getting involved. let's have look at how ox fam is demonstrating um their uh starts with the palestinians.
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so what's beautiful for me to see is that number one this is not just ox farm in the uk here on on the um uh uh we're projecting these images um onto the houses of parliament but also actually in canada and charities involved to this level, clearly showing bias, you know, even if we believe that bias is just, it's not something that has ever happened as far as some might argue that, the quest to save human lives, that's not bias, it's a natural reaction. final story with just a minute or so to go. my final story has to do with the normalization project, we are all getting tired, we are all getting um weary, and people are starting to look for solutions, so what they are doing is getting people to... to to try and discuss and
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humanize, okay, well what can we do, how can we make you feel um comfortable in your uh in your victimhood and the same for the other side, and um, i'm here to discuss this kind of movement, i don't think he literally came on, i think it's a political - america doesn't support, well i don't think, well america it's not joe biden, wasted 15 billion president, i'm actually going to, i can't in even watch more of this, yesterday i was sing when i saw it, but we're... we're looking at four israelis um self-professed israeli advocates um alongside for proud palestinian people who have also advocated for palestine and what you see here is this round table discussion of how they are trying to kind of humanize the israeli experience these settlers who are like well we feel victimized too the media is you were very unhappy when we kicked you're out of your land and your home we we felt bad about the way you felt bad about that? and you know it's like the
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media never reports on the attacks against us from hamas and and and and the palestinians are sitting there thinking, you can really hear it, this this kind of you can see is this a parallel universe, they're wondering, how is this devoid of actual reality here? now the important thing is that we need to, you know, in our spaces, at work, of professional, personal, we need to remember that these conversations should not be had, we should not sit there and legitimize and humanize our suffering to genocide sympathizers, it is not our duty to educate people who um are clearly um uh about their their own suffering in a way that actually negates the the true suffering of the palestinians the true oppressed here um and and maybe i'm i'm one who doesn't um this isn't the uh the mainstream approach but it it's not it's not our job to educate others in on how they are oppressing us um it is clear for the world to see now there is no um black or white. so that there's no great area, it
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is black and white, it's not an equality of position at all, latifa, powerful words to leave things with us. and latifa will be back with more tomorrow. now, yemen has for a while been the only muslim country to intervene directly to end the bombardment of gaza, but now malaysia has imposed a docking ban on israeli cargo ships in solidarity, they say with gaza. earlier today, we spoke with business and finance students saraj kareem, who joined us from subang jaya in malaysia and we asked him about the malaysian government's stance. "the malaysian government has openly proclaimed it support of palestine and and the seas fire, they have been active creations of protests and just around last month there was aid of about 21 million dollars sent through to gaza from malaysia, and just this morning there was a
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news article that said malaysia will ban all israel ships and cargo in their support with palestine, so the malaysian government is definitely doing things to support and to help. and palestine and the current world situation, this whole ideology on looking up to the west and the west are doing it, so it's now becoming a trend, i think specifically for my generation and the coming generation this whole ideology is gna shift because from my perspective and from my agemates, what from the audience what i think is that the west is no longer becoming beautiful place and no longer becoming a place that we want to copy or it's becoming nice anymore, it's now just become issues and war. that that's that's what we see that, that's is what i personally see it does. saraj further said that the mood in malaysia is very strongly in support of palestinian self determination and people here are openly condemning the war and pushing for an end to
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it, so in general people are very people are very sad and very disturbed, but there is things that are actively going on in on our side, there is multiple different protests happening all around. and just recently there was a massive protest which happened in the country's national stadium where the prime minister himself was present and openly in the national stadium proclaimed the support we are with the support that they want to give palestine and how much they are advocating for sease fire along with that there is lot of people within my age category and other age categories who are doing the boycott and the boycot definitely has made a difference because starbucks in specific in malaysia has sold most of his shares and is dropped by from around 25 to 40% in sales, which is which is which is really crazy, considering malaysia, they love starbucks. i think malaysians all in all are trying what they can to boycot, because the thing is in malaysia there is a presence of lot of these lot of these brands that are required to be
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boy, so i think actively people are trying what they can, and since starbucks is known and since starbucks is also luxury good, it's been seen that it's reduced, so "now people are also boycotting basic things like mcdonald's and pizza hurt and all these things and definitely also dropping, you will walk by pizza hurt in the evening or kfc or starbucks, starbucks already said but mcdonald's and it will be empty not like normal, so people are still trying not only to achieve at starbucks but to achieve more than that, you're still with me, this is gaza under attack and my guests jonathan chadwick and dr. ali husseini have..." remained put uh, thank goodness uh, we just saw a little bit there, jonathan, about advocacy in places that perhaps didn't feel they had that kind of agency, your reaction first of all to the boycott movement, but also this idea that malaysia is saying, listen, your your ships
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and your cargo can't dock here, we we won't intervene in other ways, but right now we're hitting you in the pockets, yeah, no, it's a very, very, very significant movement, and actually... only learned about this earlier today and i'm grateful to the program for putting it in front of me, and i think that it's unsurprising that these countries and these societies, they know what colonialism is, they know what imperialism is, and that certainly is shared between the malaysians and the yemenis. i mean, you have to consider that during the 50s and 60s, both these um places were fighting against british imperialism, they were fighting the last remnants of british imperialism. and they share that history and they presumably share an identification with people struggling for its liberation in the palestinian people, and it's not, i i think on the one hand, it's it's it's it's a good movement to see happening, you think that commercial
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imperatives are going to rule the world forever, but what actually is beginning to appear is moral principled stands by governments and certainly by people throughout the... world and in favor of the oppressed, the oppressed of palestine, and i think that that's that's to be to be to be welcomed, and i think that - part of it must be accredited to the um the control and dignity that the axis of resistance have deployed in the struggle, to the ansarullah in in in yemen being so uh firm in its in its rejection of any kind of scare tactics by the americans or or the other powers that surround them, they themselves know about the kind of bombardment that the palestinians are undergoing because they had... at the hands the of the saudis and the saudis were using the same weapons that the israelis are using
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backed by the same western powers so they understand all too well they understand all too well indeed and i just want to bring you back in dr. husseini because this is all made possible because there has been a public awakening how are you seeing it? i think uh what uh... "western politicians are missing out here is are the fact that this process of young people awakening throughout the world, mainly in the western capitals is going to backfire greatly on how they can conclude this episode in gaza and in the region. not only that, as you said, like people like yemen, which been under..." war sanctions and deprivation and famin for seven years
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suddingly wake up and say any shipment of weapons or goods or oil to the israeli aggression is going to be stopped to go through the red sea despite the limited resources so these people have woken up to feel that this colonial control of the world politics can be challenged and this itself is demonstration of the weakness of the western superpowers if you like as a whole and that subsequently will push these countries so got all the naturals and the gas the word needs in the future in the near future is going to be shifted or forced to go towards china. russia and other third world countries who are emerging as local superpers in their own
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rights and obviously that will gradually make the imperialist or colonialist supremacy and hegimony much weaker and probably sign the early failure of these policies if the current leaders continue to believe they can continue dominate. the world politics and dictating the international law and order which is beginning to be seen as think of the past as what's happening in malaysia, in asia, in yemen, and around the in the middle east, it's demonstrating indeed, well um, in some more worrying news, we've known for a while that the health care system in gaza has been decimated. and world health organization and un partners visited alshifa hospitals in northern gaza where teams delivered
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medicines, iv fluids and supplies for surgery, treating the wounded and of course to support women giving birth. however, aid workers struggle to describe the immense impact recent attacks have had on these health facilities and the catastrophic conditions remaining patients and health workers face. let's listen in. "what we found here is hospital that's really almost completely stopped functioning. two days ago uh number of staff were detained. um, just last saturday uh we visited al-shifa and they were telling us how they were sending surgical cases here because alathly had some the only operating theaters left in uh northern gaza in gaza city and those are now no longer functional, they don't have specialists, they don't have surgeons uh, they don't have power, they don't have water. uh, they don't have food, um, we brought some medicines and medical supplies today, um, and
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we're going to go see the 80 patients who are still here, who are sheltering in the church on this site and in the orthopedic building, but they're not able to perform surgery, they're able to only provide uh pain management, some wound care, some trauma stabilization, they're doing their best uh with very small team of only about 10 clinical staff left at this hospital, well... fahima muhammad is back with her second batch of stories on the media coverage of the ghazan genocide and i think uh something you'll touch on down the line will actually piggy back off that statement very very nice. obviously from the world health organization um representative there, but what would you like to start with? again, you know, it's really surprising, like i've been reporting obviously just like with everyone else from the beginning of this uh this genocide war, and it's so hard to sort of understand people that don't have the heart and the emotion, but here we're going to hear another minister speaking about the palestinians and they have
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to obviously in be indoctrinated in order to think in a particular way to believe that the palestinian. are terrorists for her to say what she's about to say is i don't care about gaza, i literally don't care, for all i care, they can go out and swim in the sea, i want to see dead bodies of terrorists around gaza, is i don't care about gaza, the clip is short, but i think it does its job, yes, exactly, and that's why i feel that um there is a difference of um human heart between them and the rest of the world, i think it's it's very difficult when i was looking at some of the comments under this statement, the overwhelming amount said, you know, unfortunately, even in some parts of israeli political life, she's the woman's minister, yes, megalan, that she is still an outlier, but more and more of voices are saying, oh,
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she was right all along, and we need to, instead of repudiating this and... higher ideology, yeah, she uses the words terrorism, so you see with that sort of way of, reasoning, it gives them excuse to continue doing what they're doing, so they have story. well, you know, as my angelo say, when people show you who you are, believe them, absolutely, your next story, this is an interesting piece by someone who is from nepal who is an artist, and he basically does few slides, which we won't really get to see, maybe in this one, but i'll go and paraphrase, and he basically outlines what you've been saying, actually, jonathan, with regards to a book about the palestine laboratory, and again, overall, what his slides are actually saying is some of the um, almost every genocide, dictatorship and anti uh democratic repressive country in the world since the birth of israel, has been supported and armed by israel, so that's why you will
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see that wide support, it's not just the israel lobby, it's the fact that israel has actually being part of lot of the actual um overall countries that do give support to them with arms and with uh general support, like we'll have even zelensky saying that we will become a big israel and israel is an example for ukrainians, so there are many slides in this post if you have a chance to go and look from many um sort of like voices, big voices who support israel and why they support israel, even as far as the time of germany um as to how their input has created this kind of support in the west, and i think it's well worth look, the zalinsky one had particular resonance at the moment, um, and just to do that full circle time that we talked about, about the overwhelmingly dire conditions that medical practitioners found themselves trying to operate, save lives, and
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we have very brave doctor here who's just going to talk us through it, paraphrase a little bit about what? and speaking about how she is in the al nasasar hospital trying to revive you know the mother, just run it, we can see the the subtitles, it's worth it, so basically she described one incident of many unfortunately where um they try to revive mother and her son during birth and while they tried to revive um her she obviously did not last because obviously the sanitation and the medication. is not enough, so they thought okay, we'll save the son, but unfortunately the mother and the son had passed during you know normal labor birth, which should be seen to be normal procedure, but because of the fact that they don't have the basics, the conditions are really dire, they prone to disease even if they were to survive because of those conditions not being sanitized, and they were on the floor trying
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to operate, so these are day and day out, everyday things that are being seen and heard, and unfortunately um this is not one of you know unfortunately and i think what perhaps is sometimes helpful to this narrative we have other voices who are having the ability to look and say this is not a sustainable condition and as she mentions there we just saw that this should have been a sterile space exactly this should have been a situation where both mother and son could have been yeah we've got we've got doctors we've got press. "we've got people on the ground, journalists, everyone's reporting, giving as much evidence as they possibly can, in order for people to understand the real situation there. and yet here we are, vahima, we'll talk again tomorrow, um..." and uh dr. al- husseini, you're still with me and thank you so much for hanging on there. um, i just want you to put your your medical hat on for
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second, some of what we just saw in terms of what this means for patients and and and healthcare workers under these conditions. may i have a quick comment on that from you sir? yeah, it's unfortunate, nobody could you could have imagined. in this day and age there would be doctors operating in the way they were operating without any light or any sanitation as fahim was saying and the these injured people for any reason under great danger and to allow them to die in front of their doctors and nurses who trying their best including risking their lives to save them and it's really something that goes against all the geneva conventions. in in war situations and obviously it's a shame on the humanity to remain silent to allow such situations to happen or even to prevail,
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unfortunately, indeed. i sometimes words fail us when we're trying, jonathan chadwick to to just really paint a picture for the audience there as if some of these images were not enough, but i'd like to bring in a slightly different aspect to this, "your background is in the arts and we were remissed not to talk about some of the amazing collaborations you've had with palestinian artists and theater groups inside gaza and how perhaps we might not just be mourning the loss of some of those artists, but in fact the loss of the industry in general. um, we're still in touch with our um partners in in gaza, i heard from them this morning, um, which is good, they're alive and..." 'i wouldn't know whether they're well, but they're certainly alive. since the escalation of the genocide in gaza, we've received messages from hosan madun,
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we've received maybe 30 messages that are accounts of what he's going through and what he's been through, in the evacuation from the north, his experiences in nusarat um refugee camp, his contact with his friends, his helping at the local medical facilities, his wifees'. work for um an ngo there, his relationship with his families, his very, very sick mother and his coping with with that, his reactions to the other events that are happening around him, and we've been able to put on three readings of these accounts a a small art gallery in in north london, and we've now created a film of those readings which we're going to make as installation in that gallery, but we've collected. around ourselves a group of extremely talented and wonderful artists, and they put on event um the night before last at the arcola theater in hackney where they brought together lot of
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people from um accounts from jenene from different uh sections of the palestinian population doing readings and then engaging a kind of discussion live to keep keep it live keeping contact look at quality of the writing that ham has managed to achieve, the descriptions that he's managed to make and ask people um to listen to them being read by other people and to just kind of ponder and try to take in what's happening, so we're going to of course that's mainly um the work that i'm doing, so resistance in a different form, jonathan, we just have time for maybe one last thought here about the end game in this, we spoke last... the toll has doubled, we're thinking sees fire, but perhaps not right now, your final thoughts, what what do i think is going to happen in very very
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dangerous for in 30 seconds to even, well i think that what we'll see is we'll see eventually um the end of the zionist entity in that part of the and the big question is can there be an israel without zionism, can we envisage the... people there living in peace with each other, the end-game, the end vision must be of peace, democracy and justice, and i think that's what's in everybody's hearts, and it's just the embargo on tenderness and the embargo on human feelings that the israeli population undergo and carry out, that we've seen evidence of earlier in the program, indeed, those beautiful. jonathan is where we'll have to leave it and wrap for this show, my many thanks to the guests for their contributions, gaza under attack will be back tomorrow with more, until then continue to keep palestine
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first of the headlines: bodies of more than 8,000 palestinians are missing in gaza as the death bowl from this way on slot surpasses 20,000. "the israely military admits that nearly 500 of his troops have been killed in gaza, as palestini resistance fighters say that they have destroyed 35 israeli military vehicles in recent days. also in the headlines, the irans for ministry spokesman categorically rejects us allegations that iran was behind the recent drone attack on an oil tanker in the indian ocean.
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