crisis devastating wars, terrorism, the israeli lobby, crackdown, diplomacy, west posturing on gaza.

hello and welcome to press tv spotlight, i'm marsia hashimi, thanks so much for being with us. "it has been more than three months since the israeli genocide on gaza has been taking place, from bombs falling on their heads to being ordered to move from place to place without any fuel to not having enough food or water, gazons literally live in hell. now the majority of the 2.5 million palestinians are internally displaced and living intense. residents feel that any moment could be their last one alive as israeli regime continues to indiscriminately hit anywhere from homes to..." hospitals to you and run schools,

nowhere is sacred, and no one is safe. well, with this backdrop, us secretary of state anthony blincon calls on the israeli regime to do more to protect civilians in gaza. well, i'd like to welcome my guests to the program. daniel mcadams, executive director, ron paul institute out of lake jackson, texas. glenn dyson, professor of political science, university of southeastern norway out of oslow. thank you both for being with me. well, let's start this off uh uh in texas. daniel, i'd like to hear your thoughts on the us secretary of state currently calling for the israeli regime to do more to protect civilians in gaza. i mean, what exactly does that mean? well, what is this his fourth trip? what have they had to show?

for absolutely nothing at this point do more to protect civilians, well they've already completely destroyed the civilian infrastructure, the 23,ous plus civilians who have been slaughtered. now just the tip of the iceberg because i'm so sorry, i'm so sorry, i'm going to interrupt you because i'm having some audio difficulties, hopefully we can take care of that and i'll come back to you, so sorry, glenn, i'll i'll propose that same question then to you, what exactly does the us secretary of state means when he says that? well uh, i would agree with - yeah the former count of it, i think that uh it's very little very late because uh gaza has been uh complete level, they destroyed the entire gaza strip uh again uh thousands of civilians, the majority of dead are women and children, so the the israelis have already raised gaza to the ground and to now call for restraint, not only is it late, but it also

seems somewhat disingenous, because uh this is not just you know the united states as a third party giving recommendations or trying to pressure israel, this is also an' american war on palestine because this americans who provides the finance, it's the americans wh provides the weapons, so if the americans wanted this war to be over, they could do it by tomorrow by simply cutting off the israelies, so they do have huge leverage uh to put pressure on israel, but again this is not what they're doing, i think they they want to have it both ways, they would like to provide their full support to israel to... destroy gaza and at the same time they want to pretend as if uh they abide by you know human rights and that they're concerned for the death of civilians so it it doesn't seem very serious i think uh it's a way of warming

up or trying to get on the good side of various uh arab leaders uh you know among the gulf states as uh blincan is going a tour to try to win some sympathy. and uh uh yeah, win this leaders over, so i i wouldn't see it being more serious than this uh, than the marketing campaign. okay, well uh, daniel, hopefully uh, the audio is uh better, now far too many innocent palestinians have already been killed, so this is according to blincan, what an amazing discovery after at least 23,00 people have been murdered in gaza and more than three months have passed, and why does he make such a statement? far too many innocent palestinians have been killed, i mean, what does that mean unless you're actually trying to stop the killing, or they've been killed with american weapons and american money, so he should know better than anyone how many have been killed? i mean, the man is a complete empty suit, he's got dead eyes, uh, in doha, just before he uh was

traveling to israel, he said that the us conditions all uh military aid on strict adherance to international and humanitarian law, i mean, he said something like, with the straight face and the 30 some thous people that have been killed as i started off sing before we had the problem, that's just the tip of the iceberg uh, because as we know, many times that number are going to die after you've just completely destroyed the infrastructure, there's no medicine left, there's no shelter, there's no food, so there'll be many, many times more, so for him to say now that, well the try to if you can, can you please try to curtail the killing, they've already put things, they've already put the the the measures in place, to kill far, far more people, and let me just stay with you, daniel, when we look at that situation, you said they've already put the measures in place to kill far more people, what is it that the united states is getting out of this, why does it give this blind support to israel? well, it's interesting, i

mean a biding miss, now let's not forget this is a dysfunctional administration, but also let's remember that support for israel is bipart is the most bipartisan thing in washington dc. is the one thing that both parties with very few exceptions can agree on, which is a blind support for israel and a disregard for actual us national interest which aren't in supporting israel by any stretch of the imagination uh, there really is nothing in it for the administration, but president biden set the stage initially after the october 7 situation where he flew over to israel and basically gave them the green light to do anything they wanted, we're not going to put any breaks on, you can do whatever we want, whatever you want, and by the way, here's the... and weapons to do so even bypass congress twice now to send more weapons to israel illegally without congressional approval, so it's a nijerk reaction, but the interesting thing develop, the interesting development here is that something very different has happened, which is that public opinion in the united states

for once is not going along with the leadership. now recent polls have showed that barely half of americans and that includes republicans and evangelical christians, very have... of americans support aid to israel, that's the first time in history, so something is shifting in the united states and it's very, very important. all right, well. crossing back over now to oslo and glenn, i mean since the start of this onslaught in october, we've seen many officials worldwide talking about the inhumanity taking place in gaza during the war on kids, but not really any international organizations, nor countries for that matter, they have been able to bring this war to an end, why not? well, i don't think there has been any real desire or any real effort, i mean, uh call for a cease fire is hasn't been done, i think why what what what really

happened is over, well over the past decades, i think the us and his partners have always been almost an autopilot to provide unconditional support for israel, and of course on the 7th of october when hamas uh sprung this attack in which civilians were killed, i think there was this immediate instinct to again provide full uh un unconditional support. for israel uh and again israel could do no wrong, this was effectively the argument from the the leaders and then of course the the israeli began to well what many saw as taking advantage of this by effectively carrying out an operation of ethnic cleansing to well remove the palestinians from from gaza either you kill them or or drive them off the land and they're already talking about annexing the region so uh so one it went from bad to worse, i think it was a difficult for many western leaders to walk this back in terms of

uh taking more critical position, but i think as uh as this becomes evident it's not just ethnic cleansing, it's also genocide. i think more leaders are now feeling that they have to at least take a rhetorical critical view in which they criticized the excessive use of violence, but still commit themselves to the usual slogans that you know "israel has a right to exist without specifying within what borders, for example, and uh, and uh, so i think this is the direction uh that they're taking it, so again, provide some verbal uh criticism for israel while not actually doing anything to stop the bloodshed, right, right, well, um, daniel, after everything that the israely regime has done is doing, what are your thoughts on the comments made by the french foreign minister who said that?" " iran and its affiliates must stop destabilizing acts which could spark a broader conflict in the middle east. well,

projection is the is the one unified western foreign policy, always accuse others of what you're doing, hence the endless accusations that putin invaded ukraine and is attacking ukraine when in fact it was ukraine attacking uh russians in eastern ukraine for so many years and this is the situation you know in the u.s. failure of diplomacy is a failure to objectively understand the world as it is, not as you wish it were, and that's the problem with the neocons, the neoconservatives who run washington, they don't see the world in a realistic way, they see it as they wish it were, and so they completely fail to understand or to take into account the domestic considerations within israel, now netanyahu has has been facing for years, extreme pressure uh from both sides, he's been an enormous amount of legal pressure. legal problems that have amounted, there are but thousands and thousands of people demonstrating in front of his

residence every day that's never reported in the western media, and so october 7th seemed to me to be very convenient way for him to appease the radical settlers on the right who really, and they have been completely open, i'm not conduring this out of thin air, they are looking for final solution to the palestinian problem, and in different varying ways of saying that, have been several israeli politicians who've overtly said that, and even netanyahu himself has said we need to resettle palestinians outside of palestine, so it's the most open and i would almost say honest incidence of ethnic cleansing we've seen in many, many decades. well, excuse me, glenn, blincon also said while he was in the region that palestinians must be allowed to return to their homes after the war and must not be displaced from gaza, this as is... israely regime officials, as daniel just pointed out, continue to make inflammatory and genocidal statements about

the removal of the majority of gaza's population. let's talk about these different perspectives that are given off publicly. what does it mean when the us is saying this, israel is saying this, um, do you think there really is a difference of opinion or how do you assess that? i think it's a different way of framing it or marketing oneself, because... you're correct, there's very contradictory message, on one hand, the israelies are very openly stating that you want again more or less a final solution, they they don't want to have the palestinians there anymore, meanwhile the... the the united states is arguing that you know they're not deliberately targeting civilians, so there's obviously a dis connect and uh um yeah in terms of we see the same with expanding the war, they you know the americans are warning, oh you know the war might expand like there's some third party, but uh again they're the one participating in the genocide, they're they're assisting and

supporting striking lebanon, striking uh yemen. striking iraq, syria and and most likely behind this terrorist attack in iran as well, so it's just it's it's very strange the the rhetoric, it doesn't seem to coincide with the actions that are being taken, so i i don't see much that much difference on the european side either, i think they would like to uh try to maintain some of the humanitarian uh image and reputation, but but still, i don't think that will translate into any various, yes, restrictions on on israel or or actually puting pressure. well, speaking of the european side, the italian foreign minister daniel has said that g7 major powers are working with israel to secure a rapid in to its devastating war in gaza and to reduce civilian casualties. i

mean, what are your thoughts on this statement and the use of the word rapid uh, when it has already been more than three months. since the start of this genocide? yeah, you're closing the barn door when the horses are already out is essentially what they're doing. i think the professor makes a great point. they're trying to save face now at this point when the damage has already been done. they're going to go back to their homes, what homes are they going to going are they going to go back to? anyone who bothers to have look at what it looks like in gaza right now and understand there's no issue of going back to the homes and forget about just the physical buildings, the infrastructure is completely destroyed, water, sanitation, we've seen uh horrific pictures of - raw sewage in the streets in gaza, it's a complete disaster and impossible to go back to, but i would point out there is kind of schizophrenia and the press again makes a great point, which is that on the one hand the us is escalating and encouraging the escalation of this, on the other hand they're telling israel don't escalate. now there was a fascinating article in the in the washington post yesterday, and now we should read the washington post like the soviet

citizens red prov day in the old days, which is you're you're seeing what the deep state wants you to think, and it's a fast. piece talking about the dangers of escalation, and i think it's the deep state trying to find a way out of this, and they highlight, for example, defense intelligence agency investigation showing that if israel expands the war completely against hezballah in the north, it may not survive, it may not win, and the losses could be, i think the number was three to 500,00 on both sides for a massive war, so they're clearly looking for a way out of this, while at the same... time, what kinds of uh, what kinds of sticks do they have, they blinking only comes with carrots, here's more money, please stop killing palestinians, no, we want to keep doing it, thanks very much, can you please send us more money, okay, here's more money and weapons, the you, i mean, this is an absolute complete failure, i've never seen such incompetence in diplomacy, probably in the history of the world, is it incompetence,

still, daniel, is it incompetence or has it been created to do exactly? it's doing on the one hand to show um as the professor said that they actually really want to end this conflict, but at the same time continuing and allowing the conflict to go on. well, there's no peace camp in washington dc. now americans, as i mentioned earlier are not in favor of continuing or escalating support for israel, particularly and interestingly enough when you look at younger americans who don't have the same baggage, the support for israel is much, much lower among young americans, you see lot more protest. hence the crackdowns on free speech in the us universities that we've seen uh, but absolutely washington dc is walking log step, and if biden, if biden does anything to deescalate, well he'll have the republicans on his back saying, biden is showing weakness in the middle east, why aren't we bombing yemen already, why aren't we bombing iran? they're gonna go lindsay graham on everyone, if biden even does show some diplomacy, so i

grant that to you, that's a very, very a very good point, uh, crocodile tears are being cried, i think. well - glenn, do you think that these western countries or western regimes have totally discredited themselves since this genocide has started? um, i mean, your assessment of that, whether we're talking about the united states, we start off with the united states or we look at the uk, and we look at the uh the other european powers and what they have said and what they have done, and then to see that this genocide is continuing, your assessment? no, i think definitely, and this is something that's... recognized in the in the western media as well, which is that the you know the americans and europeans have been really over the past two years been lobbing the global south very heavy to portray. russians as these evil imperialists, while the west, we stand on the side of you, human rights and decency and human dignity, and then uh,

again, this is also based a false narrative of course, but then we then we have this war now against the palestinians and and it it's all thrown away, we you know we we have our leaders watching and enabling a genocide happening and even ask for a for for seasfire and uh so i i think it's uh some of it is caused by you know simply blind loyalty to the united states from for the europeans because two years ago they might have been more opposition uh but but these days especially after two years of you having a war in europe the europeans have become completely obedient to the united states and the us and no longer priorities his own national interest. above serving israel, so there's something very, very irrational uh which is happening uh, because this is this, it's very hard for me to even understand how

this is in us interest to to, to to alienate themself among all this countries in the middle east uh and you know set israel in in this position when when it's effectively go to war against everyone, one of the strength of israel has always been to isolate all the other ones pin. the regional actors against each other and then target one state, but what's happening now, this this does it does make any sense, even if you would want to exterminate the palestinians, this this seems to be very strange way to go about it, so it's uh for me it's very very rational what's happening, daniel, how do you see this playing itself out? on the one hand uh glenn just said that basically uh the us are actually doing creating or uh having policies that... it's not in the national interest, you talked about the growing number of young people who actually are against the israeli regime, but at the same time this genocide is continuing, your assessment of this, do you

think that they want to just continue basically just wearing down the palestinians and that this will be extended, or how do you see it playing out at this point in time? well, probably they're counting on fatigue among americans who are tired of seeing if if they've seen any suffering. and we have very low very short attention span in the us when uh when zelenski was the flavor of the month uh we all wanted to not me but america wanted to wear ukrainian flags you know and then they dropped them as quickly as they could when he was no longer the flavor of the month but i think in terms of how do i see it playing out i think one of the things we're not reading about and this was reported earlier today uh which is that the uh the israely government announced in advance of blincon's arrival another very large drawdown of its troops. from gaza and i think that can mean uh one of a couple of things, first of all, and it's not being reported, which is that the israelies have been very good at killing unarmed civilians, but they've not

been as competent in fighting hamas fighters, and that is fact, you're looking, i mean we've seen, i've seen hundreds of videos of hamos fighters using essentially homemade uh rpg weapons to blow up israeli tanks, apparently there have been thousands of casualties in terms of dead and severely wounded, that have been admitted by the defense ministry of israel, so you have israel actually going toe to toe with hamas that is adept at urban warfare, and they have been gifted by the idf so many firing positions by the blowing up of gaza, these guys can hide anywhere, the israeli soldiers have said, we're fighting ghosts here, it's not going well for the israeli military on the ground, and the israeli economy, remember these are hundreds of thousands of of people that have been constricted that normally would be driving buses or whatever they do there, there are not doing that, the economy is in shambles, these guys are getting killed

and now they're looking for a way out, i think, but one of the ways out maybe to expand the war to to lebanon with the understanding that the us will back israel up, that we have to continue this hopefully another time, but we are out of time, i appreciate both of you uh being with me, dyson, professor of political science, university of southeastern norway out of oslow and daniel mcadams, executive director, ron paul institute of lake jackson, texas and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight, i'm mars hashimy, signing out for myself and all the crew right here in tehran, hope this see you right here next time.

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headlines at press tv, the israeli-american genocide still raging on in gaza. palestinian death toast surpasses 23,000 people, most of them women and children. in retaliation for the israeli aggression on gaza, palestinian fighters target tel aviv and other parts of the occupied territories with rockets and missiles and another drone attack by iraq's islamic resistance against the us military base in syria and response to the genocide in gaza.