tv SPOTLIGHT PRESSTV January 11, 2024 2:02am-2:31am IRST
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us has been assisting and even masterminding the israeli regime's genocidal war on the gaza strip but is the us playing a duplicitous role, like when it asked the israely regime to prevent civilian deaths, especially women and children, and yet it assisted with all types of military equipment, including bombs and missiles, or when it says that the gaza strip will not be occupied again by israel, and there will be no force displacement of palestinians, war crime, yet it has discussed placing palestinians in egypt and jordan. in this addition of the spotlight we will look at the us role, especially the future of palestinians in which it is reported that the us has talked to number of regional arab countries. and wants israel's muslim majority
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neighbors to play a role in this trip's future governance. first let me introduce our guests for this edition of the spotlight. mike here co-founder of the scottish palestine solidarity campaign jones from edinburgh. also joining us alberto garcia watson, a political analyst and activist from malaga in spain. gentlemen, welcome to you both. make nap here first to you. taking a look at the us role uh is our focus in some regards uh and uh i'm wondering what it is that that it's doing, it's it's rather duplicitous as i said in the intro, i mean it announces for example publicly uh israel needs to decrease the number of civilian deaths um precautionary measures need to take place, but at the same time it provides it with unfettered access to all types of military equipments, not to mention the fact that uh you have about 40% 42% of the bombs
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that the us has provided are uh unguided, means they drop it anywhere uh without it going anywhere, and it kills lots of civilians, um, which means maximum deaths. uh, how do you view this type of approach by the us? well, it's straightforward support for genocide. and it's not the first time the us government has publicly supported genocide without using the word, but it's... it's ongoing and we can see it on tv. the words that they use are are a thin veneer to try to give their arab allies in saudi arabia and the emirates and morocco and so on, some kind of suggestion that they might be balancing, that they might want kinder, gentle genocide, possibly that israel should try to reduce the killing rate for children from tens of thousands of children and women, uh to to a of
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smaller number, but still high uh, but the the words also that blincan used today was that israel must readmit the palestinians is displacing. he added, when security conditions permit, and those security conditions will be decided by israel. look, this is a, this is a cynical game which really everybody who studied it knows what's going on. america from time to time, when it's a tack dog in the middle east behaves particularly savagely and it plays very badly with american public opinion, they sometimes have to use a which which to cover up that, but but essentially america is at the moment of completely committed to to israel, it it's got warships there, it has aircraft carriers, it may even according to some rumors have special forces on the ground helping their allies. is in gaza, but it's four square in
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support of israel. look in the past in the past uh, america had to say we support this country because it's a democracy. it didn't matter if it was democracy or not, but that's what the claim was, but now around the world, millions of americans can see that america, despite the words, is absolutely committed to genocide and it's causing a big crisis inside biden's own party. well, let's expand on that a little bit more here. alberto, if we can't in terms of the us role and not just in the confines of we're giving them uh military assistance which they don't even really acknowledge as much as they used to before, but that they are actually an active participant when it comes to the war planning perhaps or providing intel or as our guests are indicated that there special up operatives that are on the ground uh which shows the extent that the us is involved in which has have it has led many to conclude the us is an active participant in the war strategy. and the genocidal war strategy
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that's being executed on the gaza strip, what do you think? well definitely the united states is involved in this war like it's been involved in so many other wars around the... the the around the world in the past decades, but here is clearly uh obvious that without uh the american help uh the israelis will be very much in trouble as as a matter of fact at this point israel is in panic and that's why they had to call basically for help to united states involving other countries like syria like yemen like lebanese hisbollah militia. trying to involve them in the way that united states gets involved also, so it's it's actually very, very clear that without united states support, and not just in weapons, but the moral support and the obvious support in the uh and the united nations security council with the veto,
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israel feels extremely strong and in pune like is always being for the past seven decades and that is very very clear for the israelis without america and... actually israel would not even exist today, why would you say israel is in trouble? i think i think i heard you there, but definitely is in trouble because uh the the the situation now at this point after three months of war is that hamas is basically intact in the gaza strip and they have lot of losses and the whole world is at this moment um knocking at israel let's capitalize let's capitalize on that then with you mc nap here, if after uh, well we were approaching 100 days, i think in a matter of few days on sunday, it's going to be 100 days of a non-stop bombing practically, correct, and we know what the goal and intention and intent of uh the israeli regime forces are, but they have
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realized that they can't do that perhaps uh way before the hundred days is due, and at this point they realized that, and i'm sure the us realizes that, why are they continuing with the bombing campaign, why are they still murdering? because that's the only thing they can do, you're right 100 days, where are the photographs? mean, the information which israel has produced for world opinion about mass hamas surrenders, about massive armaments found under hospitals and so on, even the bbc is is refusing to accept that it face value, and that's quite new, the fact is they can kill tens of thousands of civil. but they are not defeating uh the palestinian resistance at the moment, there are no photographs of surrenders, 100 days are remarkable achievement against the most high-tech army in the region and possibly in the whole world, so for for israel to win
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they have to crush hamas and hamas has to be defeated, which is inconceivable, because hamas represents the resistance spirit of the palestinian people at the moment, but for for for the palestinians. to win, for for gerillas to win, for irregular fighters to win, all they have to do is survive, and they're surviving, they are not being defeated, they have to take significant losses, even terrible losses in terms of the civilian population, but that's just the history of of fighting colonialism in algeria or vietnam or any other country, terrible, terrible costs in in women and children and ordinary civilians being slaughtered, but that's the fight against colonialism, israel's not winning, "the resistance is winning by the normal calculus of of of asymmetric warfare and it's absolutely remarkable. nobody could have imagined this on october the 6th that hamas and jihad and other and other factions would score such a
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such a a classic military victory against the much bounted israeli army and why are they carrying on the bombing? because they were defeated on october the 6th, they suffered that..." terrible defeat, almost, maybe even bigger than they did in 2006 with hisbullah, and the only way they can try to erase that from popular memory, is through mass killing. now remember, an israeli minister years ago promised the palestinians in gaza, what he called a holocaust a shower, and there have been many threats to reduce palestine to the stone age, they're simply doing what they want to do, but it's really to cover up the shame of what happened after oc by the seventh when they were defeated. well, when we take a look at what occurred just few weeks back, uh, and i like for you to put that into context for us, alberta, that is the fact that you have the u.s. national security advisor who has come down visiting uh prime minister ben, benjamin netanyahu, and of course the minister of military
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affairs, saying that we have to uh make sure that israel goes from high intensity warfare to low intensity warfare, so that it would prevent uh the high number of civilians that are being killed. "that was few weeks ago, and combining that with the fact that the us has used this veto power at the un, which prevented the ceasefire from happening, there hasn't been a a day, perhaps every..." other day, a minimum we were looking at hundreds of palestinians being killed, i mean that's almost become normal, and from then until this point we could have, there could have been a prevention of all these lives, palestinian lives being lost, what does that say then uh about the us role again? well the us at this point is interested in the amount of deaths not to be shown in tv, it's actually an embarrassment that united states is providing weapons. support to israel in this slaughter that's going on in the gaza
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strip, let's not forget that in a few months it starts the uh presidential election campaign in the united states and the popularity of biden has gone really down the drain thanks to this conflict and thanks to this support, here we're talking about over 50 thousand tons of bombs thrown in the gaza strip which represents even more explosives thrown and the... atomic attacks in sorry in hiroshima and nagasaki, united states cannot keep up with this numbers showing, they don't care about the amount of casualties, but they care is about the repercussions that this will take politically for the presidential career of biden next year. yeah, whenever this uh subject comes up mcnap here, i don't about you and how what impression you have, but it's hard to uh put biden's reelection campaign uh versus... palestinin lives, nevertheless, let's take a look at this icj case that south africa has pressed and has
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submitted uh the genocide that israel has committed, there's lots of support that's come out, many countries are supporting it, many organizations at the same time, but it's interesting the way that uh the us has reacted to this, which are using anthony blincan's words, meritless, counterproductive and completely without any basis in fact, whatsoever. he could have done a better job trying to make a convincing case here, but he really, mean, what do you think, what's your reaction to it? no, i disagree with you, i don't think he could have made a more convincing case, if you're playing a game of cards, you don't have to be a great player if you've got a fantastic hand, and however good a player you are, if you've got rubbish in your hands, you can't win, and how could he possibly defend uh the first genocide that's being played out on american television? he simply couldn't, so it now goes to the supreme, it now goes to the international court of justice, and what can he say? i
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mean, it's genicide, uh, it's the south african government which has huge moral credibility internationally because of the fight against uh the apartite regime there, and it's them against the israelis. it's you know, there's no competition in terms of worldwide public opinion, israel can only lose. i mean, what can the judges say, it's okay to kill five. h people in a hospital, it's okay to to force a situation where surgeons have to amputate the lims of their children without anesthetic, because israel allows few trucks into gaza, but they removed the anesthetic from the trucks. the bestiality, the depravity, mean i can hardly find the language to describe the crimes of israel against the palestinian people, and i'm not, this is not out of step with world opinion, so no, disagree with you. respectfully, i don't think that blinker could possibly make case uh, for such
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diabolical behavior. i need to get a reaction from you also on that, um, if if that's okay, alberto, in terms of the way that lincoln has come out, making a statement which obviously the facts speak otherwise, especially as our guests are indicated, everybody around the world has seen the genocide take place on the tv screens. no, absolutely, if the americans believe. that actually nobody is watching uh, they're actually very, very wrong, what's going on, it's even convincing people that had not much of an opinion in the israeli palestinian conflict that was going on and what has been going on for the past seven to five years is genocide, and genocide should be punished, and and and south africa has taken the initiative that many countries are following, um, and not just some third war count. we see even the the vice prime minister of belgium um petra is calling for
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his all government to also press charges in the international court, but even in spain here in this country, we have political parties that belong to the coalition that is governed in spain that are asking try to convince the spanish president to also press charges in the international criminal court, so we um, what the whole world is watching, blinking cannot just put away with just some sweet words as he usually does, this is his fifth visit to to israel and to the region. and basically what he's trying every single time is to rescue israel from the situation that is suffering now, which i mentioned earlier is all these different nations and militias uh getting involved and most probably getting probably eventually iran involved directly and not through proxy uh groups into this war and that's why blincan
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has to every single time uh come to rescue them, but blincan cannot keep on with this with this speech. or clearly deciding for israel and minimizing uh the genocide that is unfolding at this moment, another one of the things that is uh at least out of the public is uh contradictory uh between uh the israel regime and the us mcnapier is the future of the palestinians. netanyahu has admitted very recently that he wants uh the exposion of the ghazan population uh where he he called it voluntary migration. i'm not too sure what... voluntary when you have starvation, air strikes, diseases and bullets, certain bombs being dropped on you, but the us, it appears has other plans based on the visit by blincan, he has said that uh he's talked to regional arab countries and uh he wants them to play a role in the governance of the gaza strip, so the first question is, what business is it of lincan to want and to think
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that it should play a role in that, and be, what about uh the difference uh of a... approach there between us and the israeli regime on this issue? well, i mean, the language that's used is uh, is, diplomatic language often around the world is meant to deceive and and to sweeten something that's very ugly, but sometimes it fails because the the the the split between the reality and the terms is just unbridgeable. i mean, when blincan and his pals talk about... the they oppose a cease fire, they want the murder to continue, they want genocide to continue, so they call it being in favor of humanitarian pause, because humanitarian sounds nice, but what they really mean is stopping for an hour or two and then resuming the killing without end. so what we see around the world, i think is the is the incredible, the increasing isolation of america, and it can only deepen
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in in the months and years to come, and i think also we're witnessing the... real the very catastrophic failure of zionism, because the zionists always sold themselves, well not sell, they hired themselves, somebody once said zinanism is not for sale, it's only for hire, but they try to hire themselves to the british and to the americans and even the turks that for a while, as as a strike force in the middle east, and if you look at it, they kind of failed most of the time, but after 1967 when they defeated egypt, syria and jordan, after that american aid went... through the roof and since then america has pumped military aid into israel to be its attack dog and to, but now they've failed, now they need america to come to support them, they need america to allow them to survive in the region, so what used to be an asset, is fast becoming huge liability. i think we're witnessing dramatic weakening, weakening of the of this project despite
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their their military power at the moment, indeed, well um, alberto, we uh... in iran, the islamic republic has obviously been uh very active when it comes to what has occurred in terms of the us-israeli genocidal war on the whole palestinian issue, the islamic republican has been very active, and just today we had the fifth emergency meeting the oic member states and also the first meeting of the asian parliamentary assembly uh, i don't know if you're aware of that, and there were some uh, the iranian parliament speaker put forward some great uh plans along with for example the indonesian rep and other. participants at this conference, and aside from that, the active role that iran has been playing since uh, the operation has taken place, to make sure that this thing proceeds and for there to be some action taken against israel, um, what types of impact do you think these types of conferences and iran's role plays when it comes safegarding palestinians trying to prevent, at least giving the effort to
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prevent this uh genocidal war from going forward or um at least hoping for a ceasefire even take place at this point. well, the islamic republic of iran has shown from from day one its support uh to the palestinian cause even opening the first palestinian embassy ever in history and and definitely iran providing uh with weapons and training and logistics to the different groups that are at the moment on the on the ground battling israel proves that uh even though they're not directly involved. to certain extent they are, because the hutis, the shia militias in in iraq, hisb and hamas would not access if it wasn't for the support. that they receive from iran, so basically iran represents here uh the uh, basically the dignity of the acts of acts of resistance
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towards israel, we see other countries like jordan, like egypt, and now even talking with about saudi arabia with normalization, it shows out not to be really convinced of really getting involved in this war support in the... palestinians uh, but yet you always see uh uh iran as i said from day one uh expressing this support and as i said i was for a couple of years in in in lebanon and i got to to know pretty well from the inside hizbollah and basically hisbolah like hamas the tunnels the different uh strategies militarily uh the usage of non-guided drones and missiles. 'if it wasn't for iran it would not exists definitely sure thank you for that uh by the way we don't refer them uh as a militias we refer them as fighters just so
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we're clear on that um we're approaching the end of the program here and make nappi here taking a look at uh the purpose that blincan has laid out in terms of a statement that he made uh he said that he wants to be this trip that he made to pave the way for the normalization but he says uh uh "it is just as clear that normalization will not be a substitute for or at the expense of palestinian political rights and ultimately a palestinian state, on the contrary, that peace has to be part of any normalization effort, so i think that that's a thrust of it is, isn't it, that that's what he wants, he doesn't, he wants israel to uh go through with this so-called normalization and for there to be obviously a receiving and it in terms of the arab countries in particular saudi arabia." because the attack after october, after october 7 uh was not any militarily, it wasn't any strategically designed attack, it was vengeence, it was a
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blood list exact maximum killing from the palestinians for their defeat, they just as they had no strategy then, it's difficult to perceive a strategy now, the american disagreement with israel comes down to this, america wants israel, wants israel to support the palestinian authority rule in gaza um, which is difficult to envisage, in fact impossible to envisage given the, given what's happened, whereas israel wants to drive out every last palestinian possible, but failing that because america won't go along with it, they wish to control the perimeter and and and version of what happened, what has happened for the last 16 years, but with greater weakness in the part the palestinians and greater power for israel, so there's... here which holds out any possibility of peace and justice, the only only way forward of course is the is this is the serial defeat of israel and the disappearance of design is project. thank you
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israel is committing the world's world's most documented genocide in history, policy and death told tops 23,500 mostly women and children: iraq's resistance fighters say they've attacked two military bases housing occupying us forces in iraq and syria in response to israely genocide in gaza. and hosting international conference on palestine. iran's parliament speaker urges action to be taken to stop the israely genocide in gaza.
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