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tv   SPOTLIGHT  PRESSTV  January 25, 2024 10:02pm-10:30pm IRST

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وكلنا على ضرب باذن الله الله لا اله الا الله, شباب,
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the icj international court of justice will decide whether to order emergency measures relating to the u.s. israely genocidal war in gaza. although the court. will not deal with the main question of whether israel is committing genocide or not, it will look at possible emergency measures requested by south africa to restrain israel's actions, but will it do that, even if it announces that israely actions do constitute that a genocide is taking place? we're going to ask those questions for our guests as to whether the us will continue backing israel also in this genocidal war which israel is losing on the ground, but first let's take a look at uh this uh report on what the subject of our
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spotlight program is our guest joining us is a senior research fellow at the global policy. institute from london, also eve zengler, author and political activist who joins us from montreal. okay, i jumped the gun uh, a little too quickly, before engaging with our guests, let's watch this comprehensive report. this is gaza where israel's air and artillery strikes have become a regular occurrence. in the besieged strip, sounds of bombardment are followed by screams of mothers losing their kids. as well as cries of children whose parents are killed
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by the regime. tens of thousands of palestinians, most of them women and kids, have been killed in the relentless try. since october 7th. humanitarian organizations report that more than 10 children average lose one or both of their legs per day in the coastal territory, and that's just one aspect the unending cycle of israel's brutality against the people of gaza, apart from casual teams are recurring attacks have caused indescribable devastation in the palestinian territory, but when it comes to describing the true nature of the israelian slot, there's no word better than genocide. the... reports and countless evidence indicating that what's taking place in gaza meets the definition of genocidal war. since the very beginning of donslot, millions of people around the world, along with number of states, have been calling on international institutions to oblige israel to end the genocide. south africa is one of those
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states, the country in late december fired a lawsuit against israel at the international court of justice. now, nearly one month after the lawsod was filed, the hag-based court is said to conven on friday to decide on south. africa's request for an interim ruling in its genocide case against israel, the possible verdict by the icj would order israel to announce a sice fire in gaza and allow more humanitarian aid into the palestinian territory. in its filing, pretoria referred to israel's violation of the united nations 1948 genocide convention. south africa's application includes multiple offenses from indiscriminate killing of palestinians to the wholesale destruction of gaza's infrastructure. earlier in. january, the hag based court convened today hearings. at the closing of the first day, the south african ambassador to the netherlands asked the court to order israel to immediately suspend its onslot on the besieged strip. one, the state of israel shall shall immediately suspend its
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military operations in and against gaza. two, the state of israel shall ensure that any military or irregular armed units which may be directed, supported or influenced by it, as well as any organizations and persons which may be subject to its control, direction or influence, take no steps in furtherence of the military operations referred to in point one above. south africa's move has been welcomed by palestinian resistance movements. hamas said the arguments and evidence put forth by south africa proves israel's. crimes of genocide and ethnic cleansing in gaza. the palestinian foreign ministry also applauded the move, calling it a historic moment for humanity. this is a historical moment for the palestinian people and for humanity as well as for the world order based on law. a number of countries and international organizations
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have welcomed south africa's case at the icj, the organization of islamic countries, oic and the arab league expressed their support for the case. malaysia, turkey, jordan, and are among the states wising support for the motion. israel's crimes against palestinians in gaza have also been referred to the international criminal court. mexico and chile have requested the icc to probe the crimes against civilians in gaza, submitting lawsuits at international courts are parts of global mandate israel to put an end to its non-stop strikes on gaza as their scale and nature duft tail with the widely accepted narrative that the onslot is actually a genocidal war. okay uh, let me start with you, george samilli. uh, we just heard that report and a quick question, tell us what the icj court is going to decide on and make announcement on, perhaps that they probably will ask for some provisional measures uh
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that israel should take, but there will be much less um than south africa had asked for. i think they probably will ask for much greater. um access to humanitarian assistance, i think they will um ask for uh a great deal more restraint on the part of uh israeli politicians, israeli leaders. as to what they say, in other words to cut back any kind of incendiary comments that that sound like um a call for genocide, and that means they may even ask that those who have made these incendiary comments should be punished. um, i don't think they're going to ask israel to cease all military operations, i just don't think the votes are there. i mean, the 17 judges, if you consider how the... are likely to vote, you think about what countries they come from, the judges that
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come from nato countries, i think almost certainly will not uh vote to ask israel to restrain uh in to cut off its military operations, um, and i think even some of the countries that are not in nato, but are closely aligned with the united states such as japan, will also not uh ask israel to cease military operation, so i think it'll be very limited measures that the icj will ask for tomorrow. "if they don't do that, eus angler, doesn't that give israel um a green light to continue with its operations, and why wouldn't they uh question uh israel, whether israel's committing genocide? well, why wouldn't they? is is the politics of it, as my colleague just stated that uh, the there's a lot of pressure from the nato countries, g7, um, uh, whether it gives a green light, uh, i think that decision that..." isn't uh pretty clearly saying that israel needs to cease its violence, israel
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will try to spin that as a green light, i don't think that's exactly you know correct, but that is that is how it will probably israel tried to uh to spin it, um, but think irrespective of that obviously you know this provisional ruling that says they should cease their violence is what i'm hoping for and i think probably what most of humanity is hoping for um but uh, i i think just the process certainly within canada, where i'm speaking from, uh, forcing israel to forcing into the popular discussion that there's that there's people saying this is a genocide, um, and have forcing the israel lobby to react to that has been a positive exercise, now i'm you know just hoping, fingers cross that it's uh, it's better uh decision than uh my uh the previous uh speaker um uh stated and it says
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that they should cease their violence. just by chance, what if the icj does find israel to have committed genocide or make remarks to that effect, and maybe even go for asking us for a ceasefire against all laws of what uh you have said there, george samilli, what would happen then? well, obviously in that case israel would ignore um such decision and um israel allies, namely the united states and to lesser extent the united kingdom and germany would say, this is a biased court, this is totally unfair, totally outrageous, israel has to defend itself, israel has to continually have at the front of its mind, october the 7th, october the 7th, october the 7th, and so they'll just say, let's just ignore it, i mean let's remember the united states has in the past. ignored uh icj rulings, i mean in 1986 the icj ruled that
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the united states was waging an illegal war against nicaragua that he was sponsoring a terrorist group in nicaragua and it was unlawfully um mining the ports of nicaragua and the united states just simply said well we don't care um so uh i think israel will probably do that but of course it without question if if the icj does uh make such a ruling tomorrow, it will be a very devastating public relations blow to israel, because i mean the the uh the genocide convention was created precisely in response to what had happened to the jews in world war ii, and so for israel now to be uh essentially accused and and found by the icj to be engaging in genocide, that's that's a serious blow to israel, and how would that stand if that was to be the case for the? zangler: uh, it would put lot of pressure on the us uh, there's no doubt, i i, the us is
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is backing israel's slaughter in so many different ways, um, through arms, shipments, through diplomacy, intelligence, on and on and on, um, it would put, it would ramp up the pressure on the biden administration, which is already under significant pressure uh, internally within the the left wing of the democratic party, biden can't go and speak in public anymore without being heckled for his backing of israel's genocide. so it would ramp up the pressure on the us and it would have a it would here in canada would ramp the pressure up on the trudeau government to to stop enabling and i think probably also in in the uk and and other european countries obviously they'll try to um germany which is intervened intervening on in israel's behalf on this uh will try to
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dismiss it uh but even those places where they try to dismiss it like the us it's going to uh ratchet up the... to and and i think there's probably may even be some elements of the israeli government that would find that the ruling by the icj gives them some sort of out, clearly they're not going to succeed in destroying hamas and this segments it seems like of the israeli establishment that that wants to figure out some way out of the disaster that they are causing for. israel's long-term power, so maybe the icj ruling, a good icj ruling would even enable them to justify toning down their violence. when you take a look a statement made by the former uh chief of staff of the israeli regime forces, this is what he has said, george sami, whoever speaks of the absolute defeat of hamas and gaza um and of it no longer having
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the will or the capability to harm israel is not speaking the truth. basically you having many who are saying that and that has caused rifts within the israely cabinet and of course the uh general public at large. uh do you think that that will prove to be a driving force to maybe have the israeli regime uh stop what it can't achieve uh because then what purpose does it have uh executing this us is really genocidal war? well there's no question i mean that um there are very real divisions um in israel among the political leadership and the military leadership, they don't think this war is going particularly well, they don't see any um prospect of victory, which means that netanyahu is just continuing with this slaughter, israel is obviously losing whatever support it has in the outside world,
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but also they're not really getting anywhere uh militarily and there's no prospect of any improvement. however, i think that's separate from trying to comply with a ruling from the icj, i don't think anyone in israel, whatever disagreements they might have with netanyahu, i don't think anyone in israel will accept the principle that israel should adhere to a ruling from an international court, now the icc, the israel obviously doesn't recognize the jurisdiction of the icc, so no one cares about that, but israel does ' respect sort of the icj, it does at least accept the jurisdiction of the icj, even though it ignored the icj ruling on on the wall, the wall that it built around the west bank, um, so i don't think that they would just simply say, okay, well the icj called on us to see all military operations, we're going to do what they tell us to do, i don't think that's
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going to happen, that's why i think it's much more likely that they'll be asked to do some limited things which... israel could accept, though they can accept it verbally, it doesn't mean they actually do it practically, they're not going implement it practically, but at least say, okay, shine, well do that, it that's much more likely that they'll do something limited than to agree to something major such as ceasing all military operations. what do you make, zingler of the proposal that israel made for pause as it called it, for the captives to be released in exchange for the prisoners that israel? is holding in phases uh, which also included palestinians to return to gaza city. um, this happened in the span of 24 hours where there were roughly 24 regime forces were also killed. uh, do you think uh, israel is realizing maybe the riding on the wall here? uh, well, i think that was probably more of a of a play to the uh uh parents of the of
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those held in or the family members of those held in in gaza. "and this was a way for netanyahu to show that he's um, you know, trying to get their release, um, i think it's maybe distinct from the the realization that the military campaign is not going as well as they would they would hope. um, but i don't know, i think that it's also the military campaign thing is is, i don't believe that netanyahu thought he was going to actually eliminate uh, hamas." uh, i don't necessarily believe that he believed his, initial rhetoric, um, because their objective is, i think there is, they would like to eliminate hamas if they could, uh, but also they they want to, they want to drive people out. of of gaza, they want to make gaza unlivable, so so the their own rhetoric of fighting till all hamas is eliminated was is of course partly sort of uh a justification for just you know
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killing and killing in in in gaza and and fighting for maybe throughout all of 2024 like some have some have stated um but uh but so i think israel's you know they they are not succeeding militarily like they would have wanted to, but i don't know that they've they've... been defeated either in the sense that that their aim is not is not uh solely to uh to actually get hamas, but is actually just to terrorize uh palestinians in gaza. well, this uh thing that uh netanyahu has proposed along with the other far right ministers, george samueli is called voluntary migration. i'm not too sure how voluntary this could be when you're proposing it to people who are starving, they're being bombed etc. um, but it's a... interesting how they also use the word immigration in in the mix of things um is is that is that isn't that against international law and by some accounts if i'm not incorrect that it's a
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it's a war crime to do that absolutely it's it's a war crime i mean it's it's essentially um ethnic cleansing i mean making uh conditions uh for life so intolerable that people have no choice but to leave um is undoubtedly a war crime. "it's going to be quite hard to pull something like that off because um the united states uh israel's enable has kind of drawn a line in the sand to the extent that the united states ever really draws a line in the sand for israel, but publicly it has said this is something they will not accept um and and of course egypt and jordan have said that they're not going to cooperate with any plan along those lines, but uh there are states that may..." me, you know, if you could bribe them, give them enough money, they'll go along with israel. i mean, there been stories that there are states in africa that will cooperate in
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something like this. um, i, i, i, i mean, we're talking about an awful lot of people, and i don't know whether you, you know, if one african country takes 10,00, and another takes another 10,00, we're still a long way from two million people, so i don't quite know how... how the math is going to work for this israel plan um, but but undoubtedly it's a horrific plan, and certainly um, while the icj case is going to go on, because that's that's that's going to be an ongoing thing for several years, um, not a good idea for israel to to go down that part. iran weeks ago said that the icc needs to treat the charges against the israeli regime uh impartially, quote, we hope and want the... cc to impartially investigate the complaint of south africa and some other governments against the zionist regime and not given to us pressure. do you think the us would pressure the icj in this case? uh yeah, well
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i mean i think just publicly the public comments that have been stated uh were form of pressure uh and uh i have a little doubt that behind the scenes uh us officials are are pressure. the court, i mean, the history of us foreign policy and is one that um, you know, following the independence of courts is not something that they would take uh take too seriously. all right, thank you very much to you both. that's angler, author and political activist from montreal, and george sami, senior research fellow global policy institute at the london metropolitan university from budapest. thank you. with that we come to an end for this edition of the spotlight. thanks for tuning in from me, and the team is. goodbye.
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لا اله الا الله لا اله الا الله لا اله الا الله شبابه اماما اماما
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when palestinian journalist shirin abu aghale was killed by an israeli sniper on may 11, 2022, the israelis meant to get across a clear message, that they don't want any narrative other than their own under decades old occupation of palestinian lands and their aggression. it wasn't the first time israeli sought to put gag. on the alternative narrative, and every time it has failed. watch the history of the israeli measures and palestinian counter measures in this documentary.
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the headlines, on the 111th day of the us-israeli genocidal war in gaza, the palestinian resistance fighters keep confronting the invaders with steadfastness. amas movement says it will commit to any decision by the international court of justice for. fire in gaza, if israel complies as well, and yemen's leader stresses that the ban on israeli linked ships will continue until the end of the war and blockade on the gaza strip.