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when it comes to the u.s. israely genocidal war on the gaza strip, it is a well-known fact that the us is the israely regime's biggest supporter, especially when it comes to military equipments and the use of the un vito to israel's advantage, but there are other countries that are just as guilty of supporting the israeli regime, such as the uk, france and germany. in this edition of the program, we will look at why these countries are supporting the genocide that israel is committing, which may also be a result of the us pressure, making them a member of the club of the axis of genocide. our guest joining us with this edition of the program are: john phoenix, journalist and international relations, expert from london. also joining us is mc napier, co-founder of the scottish palestine solidarity campaign from edinburg. gentlemen, welcome to you both to the program. i'll start first with you, john phoenix, we're looking at this genocide uh executed by the us and israel to... uh, at

this point have 20, nearly 27,00 palestinians have been murdered. the first question, is there any question that the us is complicit in the war crimes along with the israeli regime? well, it's clear from the united state action from the beginning of the genocide, they actually stated very clear their support to the zianist entity, and this support comes in obviously different. forms: one is the un unwaving support, sending military equipment to the zianist regime, and also they guarded the zis entity at the time of the genocide in gaza, they have their military ship actually on the border with the and the shoes of lebanon to be sure that the the hizballah will not interfear to the extent the change the the course of the genicide which is the uh along the israelis

to take their time of slaughtering as much as they can, that's one thing, second thing is the the veto of the at the united united nations general secretary where they asking for the seas fire that was actually rejected by united state, which means that's giving the green line to the zist to continue slaughtering the palestinians, so the veto the united nation general secretary decision and also the uh support not only the support by sending military equipment through the the united states to designers entity, they are also sending expert and some their military forces joining the israelis in order to execute the crimes in gaza, so this is very clear indication, and the most important one that the statement by the joe biden, because

what happened is the tactical way that israel started the genocide, they had to convince the the world that it is something they should do by actually launching a group of lies. one the if you remember the behahed babies and biden said he did see the photo then he retracted his statement through the state department second all the allegation which is meant to lobby europe and united states against the palestinians is the as you know the behed babies the babies being cooked and they must we know that the r is is culture is not eastern culture so that will never happen obviously the killing and nursery the the hanging kids children on a closing line and the obviously cutting open now the israeli media itself righting all

this allegation they saying this false you this is none of this is true but they managed through that okay to get the green light right to uh obviously start their slaughter, so that's the united states guarding this slaughter based on lies, you know, which is launched by the israeli entity. let's look at the way um, that the europeans have participated in this uh mcnapier, uh, taking a look at some of the top three countries uh, if if you think that's accurate, we're looking at germany for example, we're looking at the uk, uh, we're looking at france, um, i'm not too sure uh, which ones you think um, are at the... top of the list when it comes to active participation um and whether any of this has to deal with maybe us pressure being exerted on them in order to make sure that there is a plurality when it comes to countries that support, well not just the us but indeed by default israel when it comes to

this genocidal war. well it's difficult to tell how much pressure would be needed because each of these countries in europe themselves have in the past. participated in genocidal violence against the people in places which they wish to invade, conquer and and exploit. i mean it's no accident that south africa put the case uh at the hague and it was very instructive, it was an unanswerable case of course, um, but it was very instructive that germany um said that they would join uh the the struggle against south africa. and they would present evidence themselves at the hague in support of israel and against south africa, that drew a withering complaint statement from the government of namibia, which neighbor which is borders on south africa, because namibia

pointed out that their people themselves had been the victim of german genocide in the opening decades of the 20th century, that the mass extermination program. had been carried out by germany, which it had never paid reparations for, while it was stuffing at billion after billion into the israeli coughers, and for the namibians it was very clear, and i think it should also be very clear for us that there's there's a continuity between the german support for genocide during world war ii and the german support for genocide in gaza today, people think there was a radical break, but it wasn't so radical and... from the namibian point of view and i think it should be our point of view as well, look, if this isn't genocide, what is 85% of the of the the homes in gaza have been destroyed, dogs are eating the corpses of babies and israeli snipers are

preventing anyone from giving the babies decent burial, typhoid epidemics are about to break out, they face farming now genocide. is new word, relatively new in the english and international languages, and it means the deliberate inflection of harm, killing and trying to trying to create conditions of life which cause suffering deliberately because of certain ethnic group or or people is the enemy. if this isn't genocide, then genocide is impossible, it's a fantasy. so our governments are seen now to be active participants in the israeli ge side, they're not just giving israel permission, you remember that israel phoned biden and sunak just before they launched the whole murderous attack on the people of gaza, and they were seeking a green light, because they knew what

they were doing, they know the balance of power, the relationships here, and they got the green light, and that green light has been has been has been carrying on ever since, so they are completely complicit in in this... this genocide and i think it's significant by the way that david cameron who's a complete rascal, but he recently started talking about his support for a palestinian state, "and many of us think this is him getting ready to protect himself against accusations of complicity and genocide uh because because britain has been an enabler, so i think they're beginning to get their defenses, the beginning, they're beginning to get a little bit worried, a little bit that that the genocide legislation, which makes everyone responsible who does nothing to stop the genocide, uh uh could be coming back to haunt them, so i think they're a little bit worried now, a little bit, but they still continue." we we're going to go with that train of thought that you have a little bit later because i'd like to just go through the motions of these

uh european countries uh and their participation like you mentioned germany uh but we know that germany uh john phoenix i believe uh just uh matter of a week or so ago approved the supply of 10,00 tank shells for the operations in the gaza strip they call it operations this is the genocidal war um we're looking also at the us who is uh and this is quite incredible i i'm not too sure many people are aware, and this was in december 25th when this set of data came out that israel has received 230 planes by israel's admission and 20 ships loaded with us arms, and that's december 25th, so the level of support that's being given uh, really opens up the eye in terms of uh, how they want this genocidal war to continue, and germany is now on on board with giving supplies. what do you think about that participation from germany? "i mean just you need to keep in mind this is not the first time germany supplied the z

entity of military equipment, this is an ongoing for the last during the the 17 years of bloccade, the germans and the british join the so-called and israeli committee outside the gaza strip right, who are actually deciding what kind of food should go to the gazans, you know today and tomorrow they are like a list of..." of certain food not allowed and certain food did allowed to to the garzan, they actually before the hamas take over to the democratic election of gaza, the last election, they sat on the crossing between gaza and and egypt, the german and the british, and the israelis by sublying information to who is crossing in and out gaza, so... so the german is not the first time the obviously supported the zinest entity and the even previously during merkel

if you look at the back of the record lot of the equipment military equipment was sent to the israel sent from from germany i think germany especially the regime still have the so-called the nasty guilt they just justifying their barberic act by actually showing the zanis that they are there to supporting against the for gazans so this is not something new between me and you this is being gone for years and years you so sur to me but back to the important things here that the the european union now is the american club you know they are in the they are in the orbit of the american club obviously the the proof to that their position in ukraine germans of obviously sacrifice their supply of oil and gas from russia in order to ally

against ukraine with the united states, so this is not really something in new and on the recent position of germany, but for germany to support israel against the court, the against the accusation of genocide, this also shows how this regimes and how far the can go. to justify the killing a daily uh day and night of the palestinan children and okay let's move on with that uh topic then and that issue uh there make nap here in terms of the countries like the uk for example maybe you can tell us are they backing uh the way that the court uh gave out its uh interim announcement uh where it it pointed to the obviously to the direction of uh not saying it but the genocidal crimes that have been committed um where does the uk stand with that, because on the one hand maybe they're backing israel, but on the other hand, as you said uh, they may be trying to uh, you know,

shy a little bit from uh, the all out support that they have given the israel regime. yes, i mean that was an amazing judgment, i think some people misread it, they the judges 15 to2 decided that israel there was a plausible case for for genocide against israel, israel was horrified and shocked by this. forever, israel will now be associated with genocide. these judges, british judges and others um came to that conclusion, so the problem is that britain, has britain and america and and really the the collective west has been supporting israel uh now for decades ever since really 1967 and even before as a sort of policeman on the beat and when i was when i was coming in at the beginning of this program i heard one of your broadcasters talk about the shah of iran um it used to be in

the past that the west had two policeman on the beat they didn't really trust the arab. dictatorships, but they trusted israel and they trusted the shah of iran to to to keep control against the people of the region. when the shah fell, when he was overthrown by the iranian people, that was terrible blow to the west, and they became more committed to supporting israel, because as settler colonial state, which is based on the the the suppression, the oppression of arabs and and other non jews in the region, it necessarily... the wrath and the hatred of local people, and therefore it has to have umbilical cord, that has to have a very tight, non-negotiable relationship really with the imperial power to protect it, and that has been the case since 1967, but now we see israel is committing probably the only mistake that israel is allowed to commit by the west, sorry, the only one it's not

allowed to commit, and that's to fail, because israel is failing to defeat the palestiny. resistance at the moment, they're certainly slaughtering civilians, they're certainly committing unspeakable atrocities against babies, against children, against women and against men, but they're not succeeding in defeating the resistance. now i think that's a crisis for israel, they went in there thinking they could quickly crush hamas, they said that they would exterminate hamas pretty much, remove it, but they're failing, absolutely failing by all expert analysis, so so i think that's that's... a fundamental weakness and now how and they don't have an exit strategy, i believe the some negotiators are now saying that the egyptians are leaking that hamas and the israelis are close to an agreement for two months cease fire, well that for israel is tantant amount to an admission of defeat, because for them the military superpower to be fought to a standstill by the palestinian

resistance, this is not david against goliath, this is david's younger brother against against. and his whole family, it's a remarkable achievement indeed, because it's not just israel, because you have also european countries. this deal with onra is really shocking and alarming, john phoenix, and uh, you have uh, the fact that based on at least an international human rights lawyer who has come out and said that the countries that are cutting the unrough funding are directly actually violating the genocide convention as it has state and other states are directly violating, it goes to say articles two and three of the genocide convention. "and these would be countries like the us and the uk and the others who are involved in this, which makes them complicit based on the way this international human rights lawyer is seeing it with israel's genocide and can be sued by other um i guess states, what do you think of that? do you think that that is indeed the case and uh that ultimately that they are complicit? well just just start by saying if somebody uh

launch case of accusation of the member of the united nation..." obviously in gaza, the anwer entered the z entity and joined hamas in that attack, the number one should be launching first and investigation to know that if this true false, what happened is immediately the countries we you just listed right, immediately they decided to cut aid to united nation agency, which means they just taking anything the sist propaganda. a face value, first any allegation, we heard first, as i mentioned ear, we heard about the the behed children, right? immediately, they was taking action, there was a justification for the their genocide, the the accusation which is just started a minute ago, the five si accusation, actually they managed to through

their bilic media, bias media to convince this... countries to support this genocide now they expecting something to happen after the court decision the will they will come with some trick and the trick was what as actually expected is to attack united nation so the this way they putting accusation 12 members of the uh enter the the palestine 1948 joining hames is no any proof of that you how they know who they are? did they arrest him? did they give us names of the are? just accusation with no foundation, so basically in a fair word this accusation should be actually taking. you know he sent an independent committee to investigate who this 12 individuals joined hamas, yes no, but yet israel is still with their sinish laby in

europe, and uk, in america to influence this regimes, you take decision to, i mean the palestinians got nothing there, this is a wrong time even if this what happened, how many, you have nearly 30,00 palestinian working for united nations. in in gaza you in health sector and teaching sector in all kind of activities and refugee camps and social service right and you have suddenly suddenly they managed to get out of 30000 people a 12 people who are actually accused right now i'm not really surprised because there was torture people and actually force him to say something they did torture people and ask them to carry guns and say the are hamas surrounding to us and turn out to be this is local resident who was forced the first naked in the street and then when they ask the

fascist spokesman for the netanyahu grave mark he said oh it's okay in middle east is a hot weather you see how arrogant you know so they need it's okay to have people forced in under the gun to walk naked in the street because it's hot weather. now to number one should happen is to be fair launching investigation by an individual body right to 12 people you know and say did you join the hamas this is actually false indeed well for lack of time here i'd like to move to the incident that happened mcnap here where you have it and this rather large gathering actually where thousands uh had gathered and they call for the resettlements as they called it in the gaza. and they actually had map of the gaza strip where uh they had the the settlements marked inside the gaza strip and they were all jumping up and down as if they were uh celebrating this whole occasion

that actually made some of the european countries uh turn their heads and blast uh blaster agavir and his and the fascist government or the fascist uh members for doing this what do you think of that it it it goes in stark contrast to what the us for example is promoting or the other european uh countries who are in support of, and that's not one of the things that they agree on. oh, you're right, i mean, one of the differences is that the us wants the palestinian authority to take over in gaza after hamas is going to be crushed, so they they want some palestinians to come in on on israeli benets and take over. it's a kind of madness, it's absolutely inconceivable that any rate. regime brought on by israeli uh military uh would have any stability in a post war, a post genocidal gaza, so we we we're up

against we're up against a regime where the the netanyahu and his party are being pushed by a group or two different groups, they really are nazis, they are nazis, not, i'm not using that an insulting sense, although it is not a... the nazis because they call openly for the extermination of the wrong kind of people, the nazis in germany, it was jews, the the the the jewish supremacist regime in palestine, it's palestinians were to be exterminated, and it's very open, nobody can, nobody can can say that they didn't know about this, i mean ben gavier uh before he went into politics and he started to wear a tie and suit, he had picture on his wall, the guy who massacred the muslims in the in the ibrahimi mosk, slaughtered them while they were praying, these people are committed to genocide, so when it if if um,

you know, when the case comes to to a full trial in court, the british are beginning to get a little bit worried, because they now have moved from from complicity to actually helping to carry out the crime, and now we see israeli soldiers going into a hospital and killing patients in their bed. now this is, this is horrific, and for most people in the world, this is horrific, it goes million miles beyond civilization, so we're seeing open barbarism committed by the okay, thank you so much, i'm sorry to jump in, make you, we're just out of time, found of the scottish palestine solidarity campaign, thank you, john phoenix, journalist and international relations expert from london, thank you, with that we come to an end for this edition of the spotlight from the team, it's goodbye.

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