when it comes to the us is really genocidal war in the gaza strip, it is a well-known fac. fact that the us is the israeli regime's biggest supporter, especially when it comes to military equipment and the use of the un veto to israel's advantage, but there other countries that are just as guilty of supporting the israely regime, such as the uk, france and germany. in this edition of the program we will look at why these countries are supporting the genocide that israel is committing, which may also be a result of the us pressure, making them a member of the club of the axes of genocide. our guest joining us for this edition of the program are: john phoenix, journalist and

international relations, expert from london. also joining us is mc napier, co-founder of the scottish palestine solidarity campaign from edinburg. gentlemen, welcome to you both to the program. i'll start first with you, john phoenix, we're looking at this genocide uh executed by the us and israel, um, to uh, at this point have 20, nearly 27. the first question, is there any question that the us is complicit in the war crimes along with this really regime? well, it's clear from the a united state action, from the beginning of the genocide, they actually stated very clear their support to the zin entity, and this support comes in obviously different forms, one is the... support sending military

equipment to the zianist regime and also they guarded the zianist entity at the time of the genocides in gaza, they have their military ship actually on the border with the shoes of libanon to be sure that the the hizballah will not interfere to the extent the change the the course of the genicide which is the allowing the israelis to take their time of slaughtering as much as they can. that's one thing, second thing is the the veto of the at the united united nation secretary where they asking for the uh cease fire that was actually rejected by united state, which means that giving the green line to design to continue slaughtering the palestinians, so the veto the united nation general secretary decision and also the support, not only the support by sending military equipment.

through the the united states to designers entity, they also sending experts and some their military forces joining the israelis in order to execute the crimes in gaza, so this is very clear indication, and the most important one that the statement by the joe biden, because what happened is the tactical way that israel started the genocide, they had to conven the the word that it is something we should do by actually launching a group of lies number one the if you remember the behed babies and biden said he did see the photo then he retracted his statement through the state department second all the allegation which is meant to lobby europe and united states against the palestinians is the as you know the behed baby is the babies being cooked and is the

mass gang which is we know that the rap is is a european culture is not eastern culture so that will never happen obviously the killing and nursery the the the hanging kids children of on a closing line and the obviously cutting open now the israeli media itself righting all this allegation. the saying this false, this is none of this is true, but they managed through that, okay, to get the green light right, to obviously start their slaughter, so this is united state guarding this slaughter based on lies, you know, which is launched by the israeli entity, let's look at the way that the europeans have participated in this uh mcnapier uh taking a look at some of the top three countries uh if if you think that's accurate we're looking at

germany, for example, we're looking at the uk, we're looking at france, um, i'm not too sure which ones you think, are at the top of the list when it comes to their active participation? um and whether any of this has to deal with maybe us pressure being exerted on them in order to make sure that there is a plurality when it comes to countries that support, well not just the us but indeed by default israel when it comes to this genocidal war. well, it's difficult to tell how much pressure would be needed, because each of these countries and europe themselves have in the past participated in genocidal violence. against the people in places which they wish to invade, conquer, and and exploit. i mean, it's no accident that south africa put the case uh at the hague, and it was very instructive, it was an unanswerable case of course, um, but it was very

instructive that germany um said that they would join uh, the the struggle against south africa, um, and they would present evidence themselves at the hague. in support of israel and against south africa, that drew a withering complaint uh statement from the government of namibia, which neighbor which is borders on south africa, because namibia pointed out their people themselves had been the victim of german genocide in the opening decades of the 20th century, that the mass extermination program had been carried out by germany, which it had never paid. preparations for while it was stuffing billion after billion into the israeli coughers, and for the namibians, it was very clear, and i think it should also be very clear for us that there's there's a continuity between the german support for genocide during world war ii and the german

support for genocide in gaza today, people think there was a radical break, but it wasn't so radical, in fact from the namibian point of view, and i think it should be our point of view. as well, look, if this isn't genocide, what is 85% of the of the the homes in gaza have been destroyed, dogs are eating the corpses of babies and israeli snipers are preventing anyone from giving the babies decent burial, you typhoid epidemics are about to break out, they face famine, now genocide is new word, relatively new in the english and international... languages and it means the deliberate inflection of harm, killing and trying to trying to create conditions of life which cause suffering deliberately because a certain ethnic group or or people is the enemy. if this isn't genocide then genocide is impossible, it's a

fantasy. so our governments are seen now to be active participants in the israeli genocide, they're not just giving permission, you remember that israel phoned - uh biden and sunak just before they launched the whole murderous attack on the people of gaza, and they were seeking a green light because they knew what they were doing, they know the balance of power, the relationships here, and they got the green light, and that green light has been has been has been carrying on ever since, so they are completely complicit in in this in this genocide, and i think it's significant by the way that... david cameron, who's a complete rascal, but he recently started talking about his support for a palestinian state, and many of us think this is him getting ready to protect himself against accusations of complicity and genocide, because because britain has been an

enabler, so i think they're beginning to get their defenses, the beginning, they're beginning to get a little bit worried a little bit that that the genocide legislation which makes everyone. responsible who does nothing to stop the genocide could be coming back to haunt them, so i think they're a little bit worried now, a little bit, but they still continue to go, we're going to go with that train of thought that you have a little bit later, because i'd like to just go through the motions of these european countries uh and their participation, like you mentioned germany, but we know that germany, john phoenix, i believe, just matter of a week or so ago approved the supply of 10,00 tank shells for the operations in the gaza strip. call it operations, this is a genocidal war. um, we're looking also at the us who is uh, and this is quite incredible, i'm not too sure many people are aware, and this was in december 25th when this set of data came out that israel has received 230 planes by israel's admission and 20 ships

loaded with us arms, and that's december 25th, so the level of support that's being given uh really opens up the eye in terms of uh how they want. this genocidal war to continue and germany is now on on board with giving supplies, what do you think about that participation from germany? i mean, just you need to keep in mind this... is not the first time germany supplied the science entity of military equipment, this is an ongoing for the last during the the 17 years of blocade, the germans and the british joined the so callalled an israeli committee outside the gaza strip right, who are actually deciding what kind of food should go to the gazans, you know today and tomorrow, they are like a list of of certain food not allowed and certain food allowed to to the gazan, they actually before the hamas take over to the

democratic election of gaza, the last election, they sat on the crossing between gaza and and egypt, the german and the british and the israelis were supplying information to who is crossing in and out gaza, so the german is not the first time they supportted. the zin entity and the even previously during merkel, if you look at the back on the record, lot of the equipment, military equipment was sent to the israeli sent from from germany, i think germany, especially the regime still have the so-called the massy guilt, they just justifying their verperic act by actually showing the z that they are there to support the... the four gazons, so this is not something new between me and you, this is

being ungone for years and years, so i wasn't surprised to me, but back to the important things here that the the european union now is the american club, you know, they are in the they are in the orbit of the american club, obviously the the proof to that they position in ukraine, germansly sacrifice their supply of oil. and gas from russia in order to ally against ukraine with the united states, so this is not really something in new and obviously recent position of germany, but for germany to support israel against the court, you know, the against the accusation of genocide, this is also shows how bick this regimes and how far they can go to justify the killing a daily. the unmight of the palestinan children and okay, let's move on with that uh uh topic then and that issue uh

there, micnap here in terms of the countries like the uk for example, maybe you can tell us, are they backing uh the way that the court uh gave out its uh interrum announcement uh where it it pointed to the obviously to the direction of uh not saying it but the genocidal crimes that have been committed um where does the uk stand with that because on the one hand maybe they're backing? israel, but on the other hand, as you said uh, they may be trying to uh, you know, shy a little bit from uh, the all lot support that they have given the israel, yes, i mean that was an amazing judgment, i think some people misread it, they the judges 15 to decided that israel, there was a plausible case for for genocide against israel, is israel was horrified and shocked by this, forever, israel will now be associated. genocide, these judges, british judges and others um came to that conclusion, so the

problem is that britain has britain and america and and really the the collective west has been supporting israel um now for decades ever since really 1967 and even before as a sort of policeman on the beat and when i was when i was coming in at the beginning of this program i heard one of your broadcasters talk about the shab iran and it used to be in the past that the west had two policeman on the beat, they didn't really trust the arab dictatorships, but they trusted israel and they trusted the shah of iran to to to keep control against the people the region, when the shah fell, when he was overthrown by the iranian people, that was terrible blow to the west, and they became more committed to supporting israel, because as settler... state, which is based on the the the suppression, the oppression of arabs

and and other non jews in the region, it necessarily incurs the wrath and the hatred of local people, and therefore it has to have umbilical chord, that has to have a very tight, non-negotiable relationship really with the imperial power to protect it, and that has been the case since 1967, but now we see israel is committing probably the only mistake that israel was allowed to commit by the west, sorry, the only one it's not allowed to commit, and that's to fail, uh, because israel is failing to defeat the palestinian resistance at the moment, they're certainly slaughtering. civilians, they're certainly committing unspeakable atrocities against babies, against children, against women and against men, but they're not succeeding in defeating the resistance. now i think that's a crisis for israel, they went in there thinking they could quickly crush hamas, they said that they would exterminate hamas pretty much, remove it, but they're failing, absolutely failing by all exp

analysis, so so i think that's that's a a fundamental weakness, and now how and the... don't have an exit strategy, i believe the some negotiators are now saying that - the the egyptians are leaking that hamas and the israelies are close to an agreement for two months cease fire, well that for israel is time to mount to an admission of defeat, because for them the military superpower to be fought to a standstill by the palestinian resistance, this is not david against goliath, this is david's younger brother against against goliath and his whole family, it's a remarkable achievement. indeed because it's not just israel, because you have also european countries. this uh deal with onra is really shocking and alarming, john phoenix, and uh, you have uh, the fact that based on at least an international human rights lawyer who has come out and said that the countries that are cutting the unrough funding are directly actually violating the genocide convention as it has state and other states are directly violating, it goes to say

articles two and three of the genocide convention, and these would be countries like the us and the uk, and the others who are involved in this, which makes them complicit based on the way this international human rights lawyer is seeing it with israel's genocide and can be sued by other um, guess states. what do you think of that? do you think that that is indeed the case and uh that ultimately that they are complicit? well, just let you start by saying if somebody uh launch case of accusation of the member of the united nation obviously in gaza the annua entered the zin entity and joined hamas in that attack, the number one should be launching first and investigation to know that if this true false, what happened is immediately the countries we you just listed right, immediately they decided to cut a to united nation agency, which means they just

taking anything the zin propaganda a face value, first... and the allegation, we heard first, as i mentioned early, we heard about the the behed children, right? immediately, you know, they was taking action, there was a justification for the their genocide, the the accusation which is just started a minute ago, the five six accusation, actually they managed to through their bic media vice media to convince these countries to support this genocide, now they... i expecting something to happen after the court decision, the will they will come with some trick, and the trick was what has actually expected is to attack united nation, so the this way they putting accusation members of the enter the the palestine 1948 joining hames, there's no any

proof of that, you how they know who they are, did they arresting, did they give us names of the? are you just accusation with no foundation, so basically in a fair world this accusation should be actually taking, you send an independent committee to investigate who this 12 individuals to join hamas, there's no, but yet israel is still with their sign flavi in europe and uk in america to influence this regimes you take a decision to, i mean the palestinians got... nothing there, this is the wrong time, even if this what happened, how many, you have nearly 3000 palestinian working for united nation in gaza, in health sector and teaching sector in all kind of activities in refugee camps and social service right, and you have suddenly suddenly they managed to get out of 3000

people, 12 people who are actually accused right, now i not really surprised because they must torture people and actually force them to say something, yeah, they did torture people and asked him to carry guns and say the are hamas surrounding to us and it turn out to be this is local resident who was forced they first naked in the street and then when they ask the fascist spokesman for the netanyahu grev mark grev he said oh it's okay in middle east is a hot weather? it's okay to have people force them under the gun to walk naked in the street because it's hot weather now to number one should happen is to be faist launching investigation by an independent body right to me this 12 people you know and say did you join the hammas this is actually false indeed well uh for lack of

time here i'd like to move to the incident that happened uh make nap here where you have it bengavier and this rather large gathering actually where thousands uh had gathered and they call for the resettlements as they called it in the gaza strip and they actually had map of the gaza strip where uh "they had the the settlements marked inside the gaza strip and they were all jumping up and down as if they were uh celebrating this whole occasion, that actually made some of the european countries uh turn their heads and blast uh blast agavir and his and the fascist government or the fascist uh members for doing this, what do you think of that? it it it goes in stark contrast to what the us for example is promoting of the other european uh countries who are in support of and that's not one of the things that" agree on, no, you're right, i mean, one of the differences is that the us wants the palestinian

authority to take over in gaza after hamas is going to be crushed, so they they want some palestinians to come in on on israeli bainets and take over, it's a kind of madness, it's absolutely inconceivable that any regime brought on by israeliil. military would have any stability in a post war, a post genocidal gaza, so we we're up against we're up against regime where the the the netanyahu and his party are being pushed by a group or two different groups, they really are nazis, they are nazis, not, i'm not using that in insulting sense, although it is not, they're nazis because they call openly for the extermination. the wrong kind of people, the nazis in germany, it was jews, the the the the jewish supremacist regime in palestine, it's palestinians are to be exterminated, and

it's very open, nobody can, nobody can can say that they didn't know about this, i mean ben gavier, before he went into politics and he started to wear a tie and suit, he had picture on his wall of the guy who massacred the muslims in the in the... ibrahimosk slaughter them while they were praying, these people are committed to genocide, so when it if if um, you know, when the case comes to to a full trial in court, the british are beginning to get a little bit worried, because they now have moved from from complicity to actually helping to carry out the crime, and now we see israeli soldiers going into a hospital and killing patients in their bed, now this is this is horrific. right, and for most people in the world, this is horrific, it goes million miles beyond civilization, so we're seeing open barbarism committed by the israel, okay, thank you so much, i'm sorry to jump in, mcnap, we're just

out of time, co-founder of the scottish palestine solidarity campaign, thank you, john phoenix, journalist and international relations expert from london, thank you, with that we come to an end for this edition of the spotlight, from the team, it's goodbye.

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