welcome back to gaza under attack, everyone, we're coming to you straight from the british capital london, i'm said pureza. before anything, let's bring you up to speed on some of the latest developments. apartide israel

intensifies attacks on the center and south of the gaza strip. snipers have shot tens of people among the medical staff in hanjunis, also in the south. israel's brutal blockade of food, fuel and medicine entering gaza has made it difficult for the territory's of understocked hospitals to operate effectively. israeli workplanes using weaponry provided by the us and its allies have struck rafa, killing eight palestinians, among them chill. and at least one woman, at least 107 people have been killed in rafa in the past 24 hours. the us president has described israel's genocidal war on gaza that his administration supports as over the top and claims he is trying to stop the fighting. at the same time the us and the uk have carried out a fresh aerial strike targeting numerous areas in yemen's province. fighters in lebanon have carried out a spring of

strikes against israeli military positions in solidarity with palestinians, more than four months of the us israeli genocidal war on gaza has killed at least 28,00 palestinians and wounded more than 67,000 others. the vast majority of them, women and children. joining of me today's edition in the studio, academic, consultant and researcher on nuclear security and international relations, dr. saida ani wargar, and via skype, british chileon journalist and filmmaker. thank you both for being here. i'll start with pablo if that's okay, we're still unpicking the fallout from the israeli rejection of that cefire proposal from the palestinian resistance. it was a sharp rebuff to the us, no doubt, and and dashed hopes of seaspire. are things about to get worse than they already are in gaza? i mean, "it's really hard to imagine how things

could get worse for the palestinians in gaza, but i think israel's barbarism reaches new laws every day. i was uh, this week i was watching a video of installation of by an activist group called led by donkeys a british activist group of the close of 11,500 children that the they laid on the beach in bournemouth." in the south of england and they they filmed it from helicopter above and it went on for five kilometers uh and so really brings home the the level of the barbarity and i i would make the british political members of parliament who vote did not vote for seasfire have to walk that beach and look at those clothes so it's really hard to to to think that things can get worse 12,00 children dead um you know "if you

applied those figures to sheffield, i was looking at it, it would be one in every six children in sheffield, the city where i live, which has around 73,00 children dead, so it's unbearable to think that things could get worse, but they may well do, they may indeed, and dr. wagar, um, as you heard me say earlier, that the shelling has intensified, and we keep saying it's intensifying, i i'm just wondering how um..." severe that intensification is, because you can't really get any worse, can it? um, but do you think what do you think the end is there, because everybody keeps asking what is israel or the netanyahu government trying to achieve there? what do you think they're working towards? when you look at all these images that uh on the on the television uh on the social media, the only thing that comes to your mind is the annihelation of the whole palestinian

territories, what you see is that nethan yahu wants to literally take over those territories and maybe push on and build their... own you know homes there, which is quite evident the way that they are killing all these innocent children, these civilians, um, and it's just not, you know, people from around, you think that this is or the scholars or the academics who think that this is the case, in fact, as we very well know that the south africa took the case um to the icj, and and to the point where they had the, you know, they were the... only ones who could uphold you know israel as to the war against you know humanity, war crimes against humanity, that has led for actually that has created a lot of problems for the foreign minister, south african foreign minister recently who has been heard saying that she's been threatened by these israeli

intelligence, you know and they need to literally um not talk about israel um and shut down this you know whole uh case, but "if you can see this on international level, you know, then it's quite evident what they are trying to do, what this um, apathite state is trying to do, they really want to take over - all of the territories, and they're not just doing that by intensifying you know, in one particular area, they're going to connunis, they're you know shelling in at the hospitals, i mean the recent report that, i don't know if you've seen is al'. hospital where you know there have been so many civilians who have actually died with these attacks and also within 24 hours you hear about 100 more than 100 people are dying mean this clearly tells you their intentions um there is so much human cry from everywhere

but you know when you when the western um countries get together and they talk about what needs to be done or how we need to stop it it's just the level of you know just giving "you everybody a bit of false hope, but all behind all that, there's a facade you can see that you know they're still actually giving all the money, yeah to israel, um, in charge in israel, benjamin netanyahu pablo, he is the man who rejected that cefire proposal from hamas, why do you think he's so deadset against the cessation of violence? i mean, i think i agree with your with the guest in this." studio that, i mean for netanyahu now, who's kind of this dangerous crazed extremist, i think he's betting on now like the total victory, annihilation, um, again i was reading another article by uh by

the chris hedges uh said that we've now entered this final stage of the genocidal war which is starvation and he made parallels to what the nazis did to ' half million people in the warsaw ghetto and and the conditions that i'm reading about of starvation where people are having eat grass and there are hundreds of thousands of people starving uh i think you know i think netanyahu now you know does not see the palestinians or has ever really seen the palestinians as humans and he's going for total victory and he knows ultimately that the um despite these even recent rhetorical. holdings mild by the by the us that he's been given the green light to carry on with the genocide and and go wherever he needs to go with it. speaking of the us, the country's president joe biden has publicly criticized israel's response to operation flood. in growing signs that

washington and tel aviv may be at odds about the next phase in the genocide being committed against palestinians inside gaza. here is the american president joe biden speaking at the white house. "i'm of the view, as you know, that the conduct of the response in gaza, in the gaza strip has been um over the top. i think that, as you know, and..." actually the president of mexico, cc, did not want to open up the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in, i talked to him, i convinced open the gate, i talked to bb to open the gate on the israeli side, i've been pushing really hard, really hard to get

humanitarian assistance into gaza, there are a lot of innocent people are starving, lot of innocent people were in trouble and dying, and it's got to stop, number one, number two. i was also in a position that i'm the guy that made the case, that we have to do much more to increase the amount of material going in, including fuel, including other items. i've been on. on the phone with the qataris, i've been on the phone with the egyptians, i've been on the phone with the saudis to get as much aid as we possibly can into gaza, they're innocent people, innocent women and children who are also in bad badly need of help, and so that's what we're pushing, and i'm pushing very hard now to deal with this hostage ceasefire, because as you know, i've been working tirelessly in this deal, the american president joe biden there, pablo, before we get into your... action to what biden had to say on the gazan situation, there were questions being asked of his

mental clarity here, um, does he really know what he's talking about, do you think? no, it's a short answer, um, i think you don't have to be a medical professional to realize that joe biden is not in control of what his view is or isn't, i mean, there he said the president of mexico, cc, when he meant the president of egypt, and if it's "this was the first time that he had slipped up like this, you could maybe you know say it was just slipper, but it's clear that he's not someone that's in control of his mental faculties, and you know it's terrifying to think that someone like this isn't and is the president the united states, uh, it's very convenient could, you could say for for the forces that want to advance us, imperialist uh, aims in..." least and elsewhere to have someone like biden, but biden, i would say is is not someone that isn't, in control of his mental

faculties at this stage, clearly um, and dr. wagar, um, john kirby, um, the us national security spokesman along the same lines, said recently, that any major military operations in rafa at this point, under these circumstances, with probably more than half million palestinians who are seeking refuge and have been seeking. refuge without due consideration for their safety would be a disaster and that we would not support it, do you take that seriously, and also isn't that admission on the part of the americans that they supported everything else that has been done to the palestinian thus far? yeah, it's it's quite interesting to see how they you shift now and then you know with their um statements um "i do think that, firstly, you know, joe biden, obviously, he's looking like

a bad guy at the moment, what whoever his advisors are at the minute, obviously, um, are not pretty, are pretty much aware that, how the world is viewing united states of america in terms of this, how this is unfolding, and when you look like a bad guy, you obviously would want to um change a couple of things, say a couple of things to just make sure that you scratch a bit of surface, but inside that you..." surface, there's obviously deep rooted, you know, desire for them to actually always be aligned with the apathide israel, um, i do think that these statements don't really matter in the long run unless and until they literally do something about it until they put their foot down and say enough is enough, yes we're looking like the bad guys now, we have been helping you, but i think it needs to stop immediately, and that can only happen when... they have they they take over all the power that they have and then just uh say that

explicitly, you know, not imply it otherwise and say you know make statements and then make these mistakes which actually you know do question their mental health and people do question the mental health, mean how um dangerous is that that one of the super superpers president is actually you making the statement and not even realizing uh what he exactly saying, so absolutely, i think this needs to be taken with a bit of a pinch of salt, yeah, and pablo, other than um, the the cheer brutality of the israeli um attacks on the palestinians, let's talk about the timing of this change if in the us rhetoric, if you will, the timing of it, it's an election year in the united states and perhaps the... are looking for some kind of foreign policy win by brokering quote unquote

a ceasefire um in the in the uh israeli genocidal war on on gaza, is that you think a good conclusion? that's plausible, i think that's plausible, but at the same time i was reading that the senate had advanced uh thanks to the democrats and the division came in the republicans side package of 95 billion to ukraine and israel uh so they made. advances in this package, so again it's about it's about separating the rhetoric from from the actual actions. rebutes to israel, but what really matters at the end of the day is that the us has the power to make israel stop, it's genocidal campaign in palestine, and it hasn't used that power, and not only has it not used that power, but it's the democrats in the senate are more unified in the republicans, so the rest really for me is

is noise, the rest is is noise. pablo says, um, is it in in pablo's view, of course it is in in the united states power to, as we've been saying many times of course in this program as well, to pick up the phone and and tell the israelis, look, enough is enough, it this has to end uh now, but then why would they not do it? is this again because of the power of for example of the israel lobby in the united states in an election year that is preventing? biden administration or do they, as many would argue, agree and go along with the israeli plans to take over um all of palestine? i think this is uh, you know, i mean, if you look it through a very economic point of view, then i would really say that perhaps, when you need to balance the power in the region, you need to have certain

allies, in that region, and obviously united states has always been intrusted in the in that, origin because of certain countries, um, and israel has always been one of the most powerful allies of united states in the region. it has to do lot with the balance of power, it has to do with the power projection in the region, because they know that they have got these people, you know, these, this state is there, which is obviously has a clandestine nuclear weapons at the same time, so it does balance it out, but at the same time yes, washington has the power to you know pick up the phone uh and tell them immediately stop this, but they have their wested in trust and those intrusts are just not aligned to a direct direct proportional linkage you know that is between israel and united state, but it has to do with the rest the region, yeah so there are so many wasted in trusts that washington has that it will be

very difficult for them to actually pull that plug um and obviously israel's nefarious designs. which are very much evident to the whole of the world, yeah, um, they will say yes, um, as long as you know their interests are not being um, you know, uh, undermined, undermined, um, but that is what it is, within their power, all right, just a quick reminder before we move on, this is gaza under attack with me said purza, where we take a deep dive into the news surrounding the us israeli carnage in the gaza strip, well the ongoing genocide in gaza has awakened people in a manner... never seen before, kim ishona a palestinian activist, had some choice words on the streets of london for those who thought complicit, she thought complicit in the genocide like the bbc and the labor leader sir kier starmer here. the garzans are eating grass, babies are being cut in half, starved and i'm afraid

it cannot come, the bbc have been complicit, it's um... funded by the taxpays of this country, and i as taxpayer i'm absolutely disgusted at the way the bbc have not covered this genocide responsibly, because that is what's happening, and i'm sure in the future all these people that have supported this by doing nothing will say, we didn't know or we were wrong, well they do know, and yes they are wrong, and "now is the time for them to stand up and say, "not in our name." this is against humanity, and it cannot continue. i'm a labor voter, but i wasn't going to vote starma because i voted for corbin, but i will definitely not be voting labor, i will certainly not be voting for the conservatives, so for the first time in my

life i might just withhold my vote because i..." "i'm so disgusted with the labor party and i'm so disgusted with starma. let's from the un, the bodies human rights chief vulker turk has voiced deep concern about widespread destruction by the israel the occupation forces of civilian infrastructure in gaza. have a lesson. the israeli defense forces are reportedly destroying all buildings in the gaza strip that are within a kilometer of the israel gaza fence. clearing the area with the objective of creating a buffer zone. destructions carried out to create buffer zone for general security purposes do not appear consistent with the narrow military operations exceptions that are set out in international humanitarian law, extensive destruction of property, not justified by

military necessity, and carried out unlawfully and wantedly amounts to a grave breach of the fourth geneva convention and a war crime. since october, my office has recorded widespread destruction and demolition by the idf of civilian and other. structure, including residential buildings, schools and universities in areas in which fighting is not or no longer taking place. israel has not provided clear reasons for such extensive destruction of civilian infrastructure. such destruction of homes and other essential civilian infrastructure also result in the displacement of communities that were living in these areas and appears to be aimed at. or has the effect of rendering the return of civilians to these areas impossible. i remind the authorities that forable transfer of civilians may

constitute a war crime. let's continue the conversation with my guests, dr. said and as we enter the final stretch of the show. let me come to you, these are some pretty strong words by the un rights chief. do you think at all? that the israelis will take any notice? not really if i'm honest um i think the israelis by now after 126 days or something over four months have shown that their you death to international opinion, mean look what they did the un uh hcr - i don't think that they're at the stage now where these kind of words will... be se seen in any kind of threatening manner by the israelis, um, so no, i don't think that they will be taken uh, seriously. all right, let me um, put this

final question to you, dr. wagar, and and i want to talk about how things got to the alaxa flood operation, which was the normalization of some of the arab states in in the region, and also us efforts, attempts to get saudi arabia to normalize. with the israeli regime, the saudi seeking nato type security pact and also nuclear program in return for normalization. what would norm, and they're still saying the normalization is not off the table, but it will only come as if when there is a palestinian state, what would normalization between the israeli regime and saudi arabia mean for the palestinian cause, in the event there isn't palestinian statehood? "i think this is something that you know, it's very important to look at the different agenda and point of intrus that both the countries probably will come to on the table. when you put your say,

i put my all cards, you put your cards and where do we draw the line? um, i think normalization in that sense would definitely mean that they will not have any diplomatic ties unless obviously they see that there is a palestinian state. um, but the it's you know it's like there's a..." lot of slips between the lippin cups, that's what we say, um, and it doesn't seem to be um, you know, although they say that it's still on the cards, but it doesn't seem to be that the points that have been actually put forward um, by the countries would actually be, you know, there will be a fruitation, we would see something coming out of it, um, so it will be complicated, um, because israel is not willing to back off, you know, a lot of, in certain areas, like freezing settlements exactly, exactly, and not just that, also the femine is one of the biggest issues at the

minute in gaza, and if this carries on for another, let's say we're fifth month into this, yeah, if it carries on for much more longer, then i think everything that you have on the table, all the cards that you have put down with these with with them, they're not gonna get anywhere, so i do think that there is lot of complication. when it comes to really deciding normalization, yeah, all right, that's all the time we have for this program. dr. said and pablo navaratte, thank you for joining us and thanks to you for spending time with us. gaza under attack, we'll be back next week. until then, continue to keep palestine in your hearts. goodbye.

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