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hello and welcome to press tv spotlight, i'm marse hashimi, thanks so much for being with us. almost four and a half months later, the so-called civilized world continues to watch israeli regime's genocide of palestinians in gaza without stopping it. besides bombs targeting the kids in tents, children are passing out from hunger, with some literally dying from hunger, there's still little food, little clean water, few supplies, no electricity, no fuel, and nowhere safe to go, the nightmare continues, and the majority of

the world allows it, except for the access of resistance. well, let me get our guests in on this program, i'd like to welcome them. out of belfast author and west asia expert saib shaaf and peter ford, former british ambassador to syria out of london. oh, thank you both for being with me on this spotlight. like to start off in belfast and saw, at least 28,500 palestinians have been killed in gaza and... 1.5 million people are in rafa, the most populated place on earth, that israel has been bombing and threatening a ground invasion. your perspective, what is the israeli regime's goal at this point in time? the israeli regime's goal is the the

zinest projects goal from the beginning to create, it's israel, a greater israel, and they they want to cleanse the palestinian people out of the gaza strip. they trying to do it in a way which is will look like the pandemic got them a starvation and hunger got the people and voluntary they went and the broke made a hole in the egyptian fence at the border and rafah near rafah crossing which they call it the philadelphia corridor and that's the ideal scenarios which the zist entity uh genocidal war planning for from the beginning, they they want to push them in a way, they just want to run for their lives and that's what they doing, they want to create the nightmare scenario for the egyptians and for the palestinian as well,

they at the beginning when they they were saying they ask the united nation help to move the palestinians out of rafa, the united nation officials repeatedly told them there is no safe a place in gaza and we cannot help in in in in like creating waves of refugees out of the gaza strip, that's what they they they were attacking the united nation all along, they wanted now the united nation to help them in in in creating another nakba as the their officials called it at the beginning of their attacks in gaza last october when they call it nakba 2023. this is the the... the the the design and this is coming on the back of as yesterday the wall journals they declare they stated from sources in united states of america joe biden send them tons of of ammunition and weaponry

and state of art weaponry plus the money which is the congress of course released for them and we know till now joe biden bypass congress. it twice to arm the zin entity to continue its genocide, they they they throw a screen, smoke screen at the the international community saying they're trying to tell netanyahu to be gentle in in the way with with the palestinians people in in raffa. i can't believe what the the the the the united states of america comes out of with and western leaders come to they are up to their neck and and and the genocide. well, let's look at that, feder uh, the israelan regime has no red line, what about its supporters in the west? do you think there's a red line that they will not let the zionist cross in

this ethnic cleansing campaign against the palestinian nation, because as sab said, mean again uh recently the united states again gave more weapons, more money so... is there a red line you think for them for the zinanis regime or not? i believe, unfortunately there is no red line experience so far. suggests that the the main western powers, america, britain, germany, have infinite appetite for palestinin suffering, and there are literally no limits to palestinian suffering which they can endure, this is embarrassing them with their public opinion, and we saw today in in london and other capitals huge. demonstrations, popular demonstrations against governments and politicians, um, but

at the end of the the day, they will not do what is actually necessary, the americans are ready, okay, unfortunately we've lost peter, hopefully we'll be able to reestablish that connection, let me cross back over to belfast and sab, um, let's look at the reasons for the complicit. these western countries and uh not only allowing the regime to do whatever it wants, but basically well, it seems like we have lost, unfortunately seems right now that we have lost our connection um with both the belfast and london and hopefully we'll get to reestablish that as we continue our discussions on the situation of what is happening on the ground still as we have now going more than four, almost four and a half months of this genes. and we're talking about at least 28,500 people being killed, but of

course estimates say that it's over 30,000, perhaps way over 30,000 as still it is believed that thousands of people are still under the rubble and thousands perhaps of others, their bodies have been buried in mass graves or even decomposed at this point in time, this major tragedy that is taking place, on the ground right now in rafa that basically symbolizes what has been happening not only for this four and a half months, but in reality we have seen this take place for 75 years against the palestinian nation, and and now it has reached a point is for a starvation that individuals, they're saying, fathers are saying that at night they tire they actually tie rocks, tie stones to the... stomach of their kids and their owns and their family, um, so the hunger pains are

less painful. now this is the reality that we are now dealing with in gaza as the whole world continues to watch. i'm going to cross back over to belfast and uh, i have saeb back, i believe i have both of you back, thank you so much, sorry about that technical uh difficult. viewers, but back to sap, now the reasons in your perspective, sap for the complicity of these western countries and allowing the regime, not just allowing them, but enhancing this genocide to take place, what do they get out of it? it's i believe myself, this is the deep state in the united states of america, the intelligence services and the deep state, they want the ziist entity to... continue and the west behind them to continue with the genocide, it's it's

it's it's an issue to do with their hegemony in in west asia as well, which is, i always want emphasize this point, if they lose the battle in gaza, that's what they the the west believe, then the zianist entity will be the project of creating this outpost z entity there to uh... the region while they are busy tackling russia and tackling china if we notice the backage from the congress came for three countries, ukraine, taiwan and the zinis entity, that's what shows where is the global battle of the the deep state, the the united states of america and its and it's mad dogs in the west or the zist entity, so in if they lose this battle, if they lose the... creating again the deterrants and the balance and shifting the balance of power as used to

be before, then they will lose west asia and if they lose west asia it will implicate badly on their battle against china especially because they cannot control the growth of chinese, they cannot control after that the the the balance of power with the russians and with the chinese, so they see it vital to and to to take the mask off. and show they are actually mean genocide in doing nengal and that's why the whole countries in the region if in even west asia all of it they have to line up behind. designus entity sorry behind the palestina resistant and if the palestina resistant lose this battle which they are not on the ground they are winning but the the heavy price they are making them pay the zinus entity and the west is with the to do with the civilians because the the the the resistance is job to to

implicate casualty and make the incubation be heavy prices it cannot protect the civilian. and the population which is the duty of the arabic countries, okay, stay with me on that, because we're going to get back to, we're going to get back to that point, um, but peter, your take on what s has said, i mean, is this basically this this war of ideologies that is taking place, i mean, you are a former um, british official, political official, your assessment of really what is going on and what is that stake for these western countries to be... so um uh basically black and white with this, no matter what the israeli regime does, it still gets 100 support support from them. um, well, first of all, um, the governments concerned, britain, america, germany, france, are not paying heavy price for the support that they're

giving israel, it's an easy political choice for. them because they they are not paying very visible price, of course there is a price, for example, the blockade on trade in the red sea is actually hitting the british economy, but people don't know that, they don't realize, so governments think that this is, they get a free pass, there's no penalty to support israel to the hilt, and i just want to stress that this is about domestic politics very much, forget the geopolitics, when i was a diplomat, we would talk about the geopolitics, but the politicians were much more interested in the domestic politics, and that's what's going on here, in the case of britain, the government is enjoying the support of its core right-wing

nationalist supporters, and at the moment, it's suffering lot, the british. government on many fronts, but at least it needs to placate its uh core nationalist, far right supporters, that's what support for what about peter, sorry to jump in here, what about you stated earlier that today was another large demonstration as more and more people um actually show their support for the palestinians? i mean, how does that affect british public policy and and go ahead, yeah uh... it's a good question, but the answer is that the people who are marching are not people who are going to vote for the conservative government anyway, they can be be discounted, they'll vote for for other parties, this is a foregone conclusion, so the the government reckon that they're not paying a political cost, but if if they did

the moral thing, if they did the the sensible thing for british interests, which would be to call for... immediate seisfire, then they would pay heavy price, they would lose many their far right, often racist supporters, and they would also lose the support of half of the the media, the not social media obviously, but legacy, mainstream media, much of which is solidly behind israel, and thirdly they would lose financial support from the supporters of israel, business people uh who are backing uh the most extreme racist policies okay okay well stop you had mentioned about the uh muslim countries in the region let's let's look at some of the complicity uh of muslim and arab nations in this genocide against the palestinian first of all which countries would you say working

hand in hand with the israeli regime or helping the israeli regime and why would they do that, what are they getting out of this? there is lots of countries, i want to just mention one line comings from india through the emirates, through saudi arabia, through jordan and going and supplying all logistic, what's needed by the zinest entity to cancel a way the the battle, the brave yemani people showing at the red sea, this is part of it, but they are not succeeding, these countries ' we want to adjust historical back little bit of historical background, the these countries are created as what we call the arab zionis and they are linked together with the zionist entity, the... the emiraties and the saudis and the jordanian are all of this creation when the the the british designed this entity and these as buffer zone and the

protectors of the zianist entity. once the zianist regime collapse in palestine these these regimes will go. this is what they know so they know their existence is linked to that. they they don't buy into arabism or islam or whatever. they buy into their... this regimes who are ruling there, these people who's ruling over the emirates or saudi arabia were biduamed tribes, the british picked them and b made out of them princes and royal families and told them as long as they look after the the interest of the british which is now as well translated into the american empire, you will be the ruling families in there once you get out of line will replace you. "and i don't want to go into stories in there, but this is obvious, so this is the the benefit of these countries and always always work against the palestinian liberation movement or the arab

project of unifying the arab world as a one entity during nasa regime in egypt, because if this if the arab succeeded in building one arabic country, it will be very costly for the americans or for any western regime to attack any arab world." and will be and will be very easy for them to cleanse thesin entity with this is this satanic project out of palestine, so this is where the the the problem is, lot of people in the region don't get it, don't understand the benefit of these royal families with a king of jordan, he cannot even object to what the american base is doing or to what, the zin entity require from him through jordan, the the he signed the jordanian 1994 deal, peace deal with the

zin entity for what? they handed over in 1967 the west bank and jerusalem, they didn't have any kind of the clashes, it's all cover up for beefing up design entity and protecting it, so they are part of the project, part of what the american design in the... and they cannot go out of line. well, i'd like to look at the other side of things now, peter, because we do have muslim countries or uh, groups that on the other hand are very much supportive of the palestinian people, whether we look at what is happening from the yemini people, are we look at hazbullah, are we look at uh uh some of the iraqis or or others, i want to talk about that side of things and the importance of... what is happening on that side of the coin? well, what, what the yemenis are doing is incredibly important. tonight, netanyahu made an important speech,

um, he faced today massive demonstrations in tel aviv, many israelis want him to give priority to getting the hostages released rather than his mad plans to crush. hamas and he acknowledged that there were deep economic problems facing israel, now this is the first time that he has acknowledged these problems, but they are real and they are caused by the war generally, but most specifically by the blockade operated by ansad allah, the yemini group, and this has... resulted just few days ago in the moodi's credit agency giving israel a downgrade, which may means that the

government will have to pay more money on international money markets to to borrow. this is really serious for israel, tens of thousands of israelis are not able to go to their homes in the north and the south, hundreds of thousands of reserve. reservists are taken away from the their work every week, so this is factor which is often overlooked, similarly the fact that one third the israeli army is tied up in the north because of the pressure from, so the thebala and ansar allah basically doing what the americans won't do, which is put real real. on israel to bring this crisis to an end quickly, and we hope so, and with that brings us to the end of the program, like to thank

both of you for being with. saib shath, author and west asia expert out of belfast, peter ford, former british ambassador to syria out of london. and thank you viewers for being with us on another spotlight. i'm marza hashimi, signing out for myself and other group right here in tehran, hope to see you right here next time. goodbye.

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