keeping you up to date with world news every half hour on press tv. hello and welcome to press tv spotlight, i'm marsia hashimi, thanks so much for being with us. at the united nations, algeria has proposed immediate ceasefire resolution to the israeli holocast in gaza. the us has reacted to this by saying that if this passes, washington will veto it. well, talk about aid and abeding genocide, the us seems to want to make sure that its role in this ethnic cleansing is definitely clear cut. meanwhile, a possible seace fire with egip

and qatar being the negotiators between hamas and the zionist regime is starting to fizzle. no seesfar, no humanitarian pause and still no break from the israeli genocide for the palestinian people in gaza, but i like to welcome my guests to the program. out of ramala, professor political science bears at university sad namra. out of spain, alberta garcia watson, political analyst and activist, but welcome both of you to the program, i'd like to start off in romala, it's sad, why after almost four and a half months of this israeli onslot, is this a genocide still going on? let's start from there, um, good evening for you, hashimi and for your guest from spain, it is still. of

continuing and on everyday on daily basis we are talking about you know this morning we are talking about more than 100 palestinians were killed in gaza and this this kind of rate of around between 100 to 150 every day and we are still talking about you know attacking the hospitals and invading of the hospitals like what happened this morning also for amal hospital in khan unis and naser hospital. also i don't what's what's with israel with this issue of hospitals because they do that also in in in the west bank uh so yeah the genocide is still continuing in of spite of the fact that the whole world now is talking about you know the the must for sease fire in in in gaza but apparently neither the israeli nor the americans are interested in this sease fire the israel are going on with their genocide and american apparently still

supporting them and helping them by imposing vetos many times so far in in this issue, condemning or vetuing any kind of motion to cease fire in gaza and all the time they try to do something else like you know asking for to be more human for the israelis to reduce the casualities among the civilians. which is something absolutely, yeah, can't be believed, because they send them still the rockets, they still send them the bombs, they are still sending them the money and the support also diplomatically in the united nations to prevent any sease fire, yes, it it's absolutely unbelievable. alberto, your perspective, i mean, what does it mean when algeria says it will propose the ceasefire resolution regarding the onslot on gaza, and of the united states braizenly says that it will veto it at. united nations? well, it's not

surprised to the united states veto any proposal, any resolution that goes according to international law in the direction of of um basically stopping the the the bombing and the uh genocide that actually is happening and the gas trip, it's not the first time we see that so many. countries have proposed this cease fire even if it's a temporary uh of ce fire united state seems to enjoy and the security council of the united nations to stop it so we can see many more victims falling in the hands of this most moral army in the world as israel's. contemplate that

the army is, people are starting to to die of hunger, it's a farming going on now in the gas strip, there are hundreds of not thousand. of lory trucks waiting outside the rafa boarding passing to be able to bring international humanitarian aid, but israelis prefer that the population in gaza and especially that population and has been moved there, because supposedly it was the save haven for the... senian refugees from the gaza strip all of sudden see themselves dying of hunger is specifically women and children, so to be honest algeria like so many other countries are determined to bring this to the

security council of the united nations, but the united states will uh stop every initiative that can give a little bit of ' uh a little bit of a stop, if not a a way of the population to receive some humanitarian aid, this we haven't seen such attitude from the international community accepting that the united states and israel provoke a famin in any territory around the world since the second world war when the united did the same actually in european territories, bring us now to think that the united states is not interested at all in assice fire even though they come up with some temporary scis fire might bring some possibilities but actually it will not bring any possibilities because

if you feed a palestinian in the night but you kill them in the morning the next morning that actually not bringing any resolution right? genocides that the israelis are provoking in the palestinian territory of the gas strip right? well sad uh qatar and egypt have been serving as negotiators for a possible cease fire between hamas and the zionist regime. now hamas leader ismail hannah says his organization is done is doing whatever it can to negotiate um for this uh ceasefire also for the detainey's release but netanyahu doesn't want one and of course uh netanyahu was saying it's all ludicrous, i mean, what's your opinion about this and the possibility of a ceasefire? i think that this problem from the very beginning, it's still going on in the same same place, qatar and egypt, also the american cia representative,

the israeli mosad representative, they have many, many meetings and they were talking about you know this deal of releasing the prisoners who are captive by the palestinian resistance in return for what? that's the the most important thing, the palestinian resistance had put forward their own terms which is mainly to stop the war and to stop on sease fire, not only a truth, what is on the ground now is a truth, they are talking about a truth of 42 days and then it will be follow for another truth of few weeks to continue the release of the prisoners and then after... that another truce to release the bodies which is also killed in gaza, the israeli ones to be also exchanged, and after that what happened, that what concerns the palestinian resistance and hamas particularly, after that we should go for a

permanent cease fire, the israeli should withdraw totally from gaza, and there are also other issues like you know to to talk about the seasing the... siege of gaza, also something related to the settlements and settlers in the west bank and what they are doing in alamos, there are many demands, now from the israeli point of view, they want to release the prisoners with this truce, but after that they want to continue the war, they want to continue the genocide, which is absolutely unacceptable, and they don't want to remove their army from gaza, the... want to continue to be in gaza and they are talking about you know either getting rid of hamas totally and the palestinian resistance from gaza or and to release all the prisoners and they can't do both of them so far, but at the same time netanyahu and his government,

the right-wing fascist government are still insisting on their terms in this respect. right, well alberto, isn't it just so bizarre that there are even talks are... calls for temporary cease fire instead of a permanent one, four and a half months after this genocide has started, almost 30,00 people have been killed, mean it's such a dystopian world. it's it's it's quite flavorgasting, it's absolutely amazing, your thoughts, well actually um, the panorama now is actually very, very pessimistic, but even though netanyahu's perspective is to continue with its overtaking the gas of strip, getting the entire population of gaza outside the... palestinian territory into the egyptian sinay, they know that they don't have a way

out, unless um there are diplomatic uh resolutions involved that can actually make israel's regime survive after this conflict. israel cannot survive after this conflict, because the entire world have seen the true faith. of israel, what's going on now in in in the palestinian territories is specifically in the gas strip is something is going on already since 1948 since unilaterally de facto israel proclaim the state of israel and provoke the diaspora or the palestiny the nagba and today we see a nakba 2. zero going on thinking that the international community is going to accept

even the united states, which is probably the second most important scientists regime after israel, does not see that it's a future with clingsing, ethnic clingsing going on in the gassa strip and at the same time going on in the in the west bank and east jerusalem like it's happening behind the scenes of this conflict in gaza, so um, what what's happening now is that the entire world, and i'm talking here in spain where massive, absolutely massive demonstrations are showing the absolute against the the israeli regime, because our different governments in the past accepted. the fact that israel has always have the uh right to defend themselves, but

not the palestinians. now it's so obvious, palestinians are under a holocaust under the attacks that are happening in the gaza strip that nobody in the in in the um, i'm not just talking about the worst world, i'm not talking about just europe uh uh the... united states, canada, but the entire world is actually totally against what's going on and everyone sees as the unique perspective to finish with this is a state a two-state solution where a palestine or a palestinian state can emerge out of the ashes of these slaughter that is going on provoked by the israelis that actually provoke this situation with this. extremist government and the gas strip and in the west bank and east jerusalem, the whole world is now seeing

israel's policies ongoing, right? when actually we thought that this is a unique opportunity, but this is going on for over seven decades and the palestinians are suffering this situation and the whole world is wakening up to a situation that it cannot... be accepted and even the resolutions of the united of uh uh the united nations at this moment are really making obvious that this has to stop even though united states is stopping it in the security council. well let's look at what alberto said that the majority of the world is waking up and against standing against this um but when we see the uh actual governments. we see something different, so do you think that there is a growing divide between the people

the world and their governments and and that this can also have a ricating effect. for example, we've seen the americans, we've seen the brids, we've as he said, in spain and in so many parts of the world, actually, even though their governments may support or at least or not stopping this situation, but the people are waking up. um, do you think... that this is going to end up changing lot in these countries themselves? uh, well, we have to understand something that in this aggression against the palestinians, after the 7th of october some fundamental changes have had happened, not only in israel, in palestine itself, in israel, in the region as as a whole and in the whole world, there are lots of changes are are now occurring because of this war and i think that it stered this buddle if you like in a way or another, yes

the people they realize that the genocide by the israelis... and the atrocities by the israeli army, the the so-called most you know, legal and and ethical army in the world, and israel is the only democracy in the middle east, and they saw exactly what the israel are doing against the palestinians and that had changed lot among the people, and we can see that you know on all all over europe there are lots of demonstration. and people are all over since the beginning of the world till today and still going on in all european countries, in african countries, in arab countries as well as in america itself, that is going to pay back, but not immediately, this is the problem, to what extent these people, we believe that these people do believe and and they are pushing

and they are pressurizing their governments into changing their position and some of the governments... however, in europe started to change a little bit, you there is huge difference between the very few days after the seventh of october and later on some of the countries started to realize that what the israel are doing, so i think yeah, there will be an effect, and this is is going to be huge effect, but that will take some time, it's not going to be immediate, so far european countries, mainly, if i'm going to talk about european countries, apart from few them, are still following the american lead and they think that their interest with america and israel in the region more important that than human rights and the genocide and the all these kind of things, so because of that they are still following the american lead regarding what's going on in the middle east, but changes are coming and

they need to understand that they have to break from the american policy in the middle east in order to have their own..." decisions all right, well alberto, there's growing opposition against the zionist regime from its own people as more of them want to see sease fire to at least uh free the captives, do you think this divide is growing or do you think that most dionists are on the same page with this extremist cabinet of wanting just to continue and kill as many palestinians as possible? how do you see it? well we've seen even yesterday one of the biggest demonstrations in tel aviv, against netanyahu's extremist cabinet uh for the release of the uh catics in the gaza strip by hamas, but however i do not see in those 100 thousands of israelis, many of them, the big majority of which have arrived to the holy

land in the past decade from europe mostly, you would... never see a palestinian flag, the the interest is actually the release of the 130 something captives, israeli captives in the in the gaza strips and the hands of the palestinian resistance, but i, as i say, they're not very much against the policies of the israeli regime, but they are actually scared is that many... these captives might die while in the hands of the palestinian resistance due to the brutal attacks of this israeli regime of the gaza strip we we heard about in the past days that between a 60 and 70% of israelis not only support the military

campaign in the gas is strip but they even request more force against the palestinian civilian population in the gaza strip right, so what this represents is a big danger for uh the life and integrity of the israeli captives in the in, as i say in the gaza strip, because as much as the resistance to try to take care of of this the captives, the... israeli bombardment uh as brutal as is happening at this moment is is probably causing the biggest risk to the life of of this. captives, actually what netanyahu wants is that uh, as he has expressed is that he in a military brutal way, he can release this

captives and not through negotiations where at the end it will show that hamas is actually liberating the captives, this is something that he cannot afford behamin netanyahu, to be seen and... media and is that he's losing the war in the media and that actually is the resistance that it's trying as best to liberate this captives and as we seen in the past uh greeting uh the resistance fighters uh as a difference to what we've seen of the palestinian capitals being released by the israeli forces being in in wheelchairs and totally paten up. a terrible condition. indeed, stay with me alberto. well son, every day we we see kids being blown to pieces, people picking up body parts of their loved ones bodies just laying

outside in the rain, because there's no more room to store them prior to b burial. we see kids losing limbs and being blown into wall. mean, we have seen so much. um, what else must the world see to stop this madness, this atrocity? what is it going to take implement a permanent cease fight? yes, we have to understand something that the society in gaza strip, which is consist of 2.3 million people, 52% of them are children, so however when we are talking about the high casuality in in gaza, always you have to consider that 52% at least of those are children, that's you know explain the high number of children being killed in in gaza, now people are seeing this. on the tv and it's we said that once before, it's for the very first time ever that you see a genocide a daily basis on the tv screens and no one is doing anything

apart from the people who are going out in demonstrations, but this world what so callalled international community is not doing anything in reality, and here i have a question about this what we call international community who are the international community are in china and india, iran, turkey are part of this international community and they consist most the population of the world, in addition to that, the arab world and also the bricks countries in south america, aren't they part of this international community, okay, sorry to interrupt you, but we're we're out of time, alberta, just very quickly uh, just that you have about 30 seconds, when the world doesn't stop this genocidal regime, is there any other way besides resistance for the palestinian people? i'm afraid in the

short come uh, the palestinian resistance is the only option, we have to see that all the different groups in the acts of resistance and i'm talking about hisbollah and i'm talking about all the different... palestinian resistance groups and the islamic resistance groups in iraq and yemen are the only option when entire international community only have words to express the disappointment with israel, so at this point, apart from the bds which is socially actually very interesting point of view of sabotaging the commercial perspective of israel around the world. the resistance abocahuma