where you got british colonialist and you sorry, so we in this period of flux, i'll just conclude quickly, sure, what, what we really need is is to recognize that the levers of power are losing their grip and they're in a desperate state, and of course that's why they're acting desperately, and in the the biggest desperation is all right, thank you very much for that, mussan abbas, unfortunately we just out of time for this, we do appreciate it, say musan abbas, journalists and political comment. with that we come to the end of our coverage for now, let's bye bye. hello and welcome to another edition of face to face, i'm mattia pusan. today in the studio we are joined by one of the members of the political burough of the hamas resistance movement, mr. osama hamdan. welcome to the program. thank you very much. mr. hamdan. uh, the alaxa flot was powerful, of

unexpected blow to the israeli occupation, but did you anticipate the israeli response to be this much brutal and heinous? there is no doubt that operation alaqsa flood represented success for the resistance movement, success in carrying out a of large-scale operation without the enemy being able to take action. this operation succeeded in seasing the entire gaza positions within just hours. this is undoubtedly a great achievement, but here's the question: was there any expectation for the enemy's reaction? certainly, it was expected that of there would be a reaction, but it is the nature of the occupation. it kills you, seizes your land, arrests you and imprisons you. for example, in the west bank in 2022, before the... operations, the number of

morters was about 500, the number of wounded people who were taken to hospitals exceeded 3,00. we are talking about thousands of prisoners. under this occupation for 75 years, you have two choices: either you do nothing and it continues to kill you, capture you and seize your land, or you resist and the enemy will continue the aggression, but the message will be conveyed that the palestinian people are... still adhering to the right to resist, that the enemy is paying a price for the occupation, and that in the end this enemy will be forced to leave your land. therefore, when you always choose resistance and you anticipate the scale of aggression and the enemy's reaction, you are convinced that this is the path that will lead to liberation. with all the killing, destruction in gaza, backed by the west, especially the united states, how do you plan

to rebuild your popularity and also lay foundations for new phase? first we start of of with the fact that the united states of america does not just support israel. the united states of america is a partner in crime, a partner in genocide. it may appear to support israel politically, but in practice it provides ammunition, equipment and weapons to the zionist. it also employs all technological facilities in discovering tunnels and thus serves as pillars of zionism. it is a full partner in the crime against the palestinian people. on the other of hand, when we talk about our popularity, we are not worried about it, because historically the palestinian people have always been the ones who choose resistance, and the popularity of resistance always rises. two months ago, various opinion.

polling institutions conducted an opinion poll about the popularity of the palestinian authority. hamas is popular in gaza, which was not so before the operation. before the of war, hamas's popularity ranged between 40 to 45%. after the operation, its popularity rose. the palestinian people saw that the resistance movement has been fighting this army for days, an army that boasted about its invincibility. people began to... feel that the chances of liberation were higher than ever before, so hamas's popularity rose. this gives us additional responsibility: how do we deal with this popularity and what serves the interest of our people to achieve national success? there is no doubt that this is a great responsibility. definitely it is. now, there are propositions suggesting that hamos is being corsed into relinquishing its related. leadership role in gaza post war

amits american and possibly arab support, now leading to a transition to the palestinian authority. now what is hamas's stance on these? positions and how do you plan to particularly thort them? firstly, it is clear that hamas was never committed to being the ruling authority. we have always adhered to a specific principle that the palestinian people are the ones who elect and choose their leadership through free elections. the leadership must present a program to the people that hold it. accountable, our program is clear, we resist for liberation, we won the election in 2006 and served this platform. america cannot change this fact, and we do not accept its interference in our internal affairs. we have informed all arab countries that their interference over the

palestinian people is rejected. whoever decides the next day in gaza or the palestinian people alone. this is the first part, the second part. met with all the palestinian factions and an agreement was reached on basic issues, including the formation of a transitional palestinian government after the war, in which all the factions are represented and have their authority to hold elections and begin the reconstruction process. therefore, we are not concerned about the future of the leadership the palestinian people, as much as we are keen for the leadership to be the one that has the option of resistance. and believes in the complete liberation of palestine. the next question is, your objective with operation alafsa was to shut light on the plight of palestinian prisoners in israeli jails, yet the occupation has added around 10,00 new prisoners. does hamaza still

prioritize shitting light on prisoners or is it the priority now uh to reach a cease fire and to get humanitarian aid into gaza? let me clarify here that the issue of prisoners was just part of the objectives of the operation and was not the primary objective of it, the main goal of the operation was to confront the project of the netanyahu government which announced that it would end the palestinian issue within the next four years. he developed a program to seize al-quds and transfer ownership of real estate from the palestinians to the designs, seasing the maximum level. more settlements in the west bank and developed a program to bring in 1 million new settlers from outside of palestine, jews from all over the world and decided to begin the process of rebuilding his relations in the region with american support to form a situation in which israel

appears to be natural entity. the operation came to say that palestine is still under occupation, the palestinian people are still resistant. "we wants to liberate our land, and this is what happened. one of the results the operation is that the prisoners will be transferred. one of the results of the operation is that the siege on the palestinian people ends, but the essence of the process is to put the palestinian issue on the right path. great. now, if a cease fire is agreed upon, uh, what kind of guarantee can there be that ensures the us will comply with the terms or the israeli regime for? matter, especially if and when all the captives are released, because we know when it comes to israels, they are not very good with being committed to their oaths and their commitments. i agree with you that

the israelis do not abide by agreements and covenants, their history of this is very bad, therefore the real guarantee is the resistance's ability to... continued the confrontation with the occupation. the real guarantee is the ability of the palestinian people to withstand. the real guarantee that we won in operation alaksa flood is that the israelis and americans began to realize that the resistance axis is capable of applying pressure to support the resistance in gaza and is capable of having effective influence on the political positions in favor of the resistance. therefore, you make an agreement, you bet on the power cards you hold, that they are the ones that can be a true guaranteer of the agreements that was concluded. the occupation will try to evade or deceive, but we will also try through the power cards we possess to make it as

disciplined as possible. and mr. hamdon, speaking of negotiations and cease fire talks, why did hamos withdraw from did not withdraw from the cairo negotiations, what happened was that after the paris meeting, a proposal was presented to hamas regarding a cease fire and some details. this proposal was also presented to the occupation side. for us, we responded to the proposal, we proposed some modifications to it and developed our vision to improve the proposal. on the israeli side, the mediators were surprised because israel, which had expressed its approved. the paris proposal retracted parts of it. therefore, the mediators began

trying to bring israel back to the paris proposal. we must wait for the reaction of the mediators with the zionist entity. from our side, there was a clear statement by our brother ismail hania, head of the political bureau, that we deal positively with ideas that we are keen to stop the aggression, provide relief to our people and the people the siege. and the starts of reconstruction process, in exchange for all of this, we will go to the prisoner exchange process and therefore we have clearly defined our position, we are waiting for the enemy to have a positive position, the ball is in their courts and the mediators court, we have not backed down as long as we are negotiating, we go on with it, and as long as the fight goes on, we fight, thank you so much, mr. hamdan, and now we will continue the uh interview after very short break.

okay, now you're watching us uh having an interview with mr. osama hamzan, the member the political bureau of hamas resistance movement. mr. hamdan, how can hamas uh utilize internal pressure on netanyahu by emphasizing the urgency of releasing prisoners in gaza? by highlighting the significant. of this issue within israeli society and among political stakeholders, this heightened pressure may compell him to seek sease fire deal that aligns with hamas's terms in order to deescalate tensions and address the issue of prisoners effectively. there is no doubts that in the negotiation process you make every effort to put pressure on the enemy. one of the tools of which you also mentioned is to the prisoner swap, what these prisoners are suffering from, and the

killing that occurred to some families as a result of the israeli air forces bombing of some sites. also, some of the prisoners were killed directly by the occupation army, as happening with three soldiers who were captured by the resistance, and then the group that captured them was mortered. when they escaped, the army killed them despite identifying them. this puts great pressure. on netanyahu, but the resistance also has other tools to put pressure on netanyahu, one them is the resistance's unrelenting firing of rockets at some cities and regions occupied in 1948. the continuation of the resistance action on the battlefield against the occupation is putting pressure on israel, because every day there are more deaths among the occupation soldiers and more losses among the files and ranks of the army. just for the army, the destruction of 100 mil'. vehicles out of about 4000 military vehicles in the ground forces is very heavy. this is all lot

of pressure on netanyahu. an important addition that should be noted is the action the resistance in southern lebanon or what the ansar allah resistance is doing in yemen or the resistance in iraq. this created pressure on the zinist entity and also on the united states which does not want the confrontation to expand in the region because it still believes that it can't rearrange the region, the expansion of the confrontation will cause the americans to lose control in the region and the region will go on paths that will not necessarily be in the interest the americans, but rather will be in the interest of the people of the region, and this is what the americans fear. these are all pressure cards on netanyahu, and i believe this is the secrets of the american insistance on reaching a solution that leads to a cease fire. now uh... something about the cease fire right now the situation in raffa. netanyahu threatens to invade raffa,

even if a cease fire agreement is reached, how can hamas, restrain netanyahu's recklessness in his military options in gaza? when netanyahu threatens to invade rafa, he is seeking two purposes. the first goal is to create pressure on the... any move netanyahu makes to attack rafah will be faced by the resistance, but it will also make netanyahu involved in a genocide massacre, and everyone knows that the international court of justice issued a preliminary ruling and set conditions for it. if netanyahu is involved a military operation towards rafa, this will

confirm that what he is doing is genocide, and this means that he is committing a crime against humanity, and this will have. repercussions not only for him, but also on the american administration, which i mentioned a little while ago that it is accomplice in this crime, that's why we're applying confrontational pressure. i think that netanyahu is hesitant about the grand operation, but if he decides to do so, things will not be easy for his army. now the world sympathizes greatly with the palestinian people, but israelis are attempting to... and global attention, for example, by you, israeli president, presentation of a book titled the end of the jews, to convince the world that hamas seeks to annihilate the jewish population. now, how do you respond to such this place? um, especially in a significant security conference like the

munich conference. i must clarify and... issue by which the israelis and the united states are trying to put pressure on us, we do not fight the israelis because they are jews, we are fighting them because they are occupiers of our land, meaning if they leave our land, we will not pursue them, and we will not fight them. our battle has a political dimension that has nothing to do with the fact that they are jews and believe in judaism, and has nothing to do with the fact that they came to palestine or are present in other places. "the real problem is that they occupied our land. the jewish problem as a religious one is not related to our country. rather, the jewish problem began in europe. they were expelled from britain in the 16th century, and for 200 years jews were banned from entering. in france, they were prevented from exercising their religious

rights from 1400 ad until 1808. in spain, they were expelled and prevented from exercising the..." religious rights until 1982, in germany, we know what happened, every time the jews fled this persecution, they came to our muslim country, and you know that there are jews in all muslim countries who live in safety. the problem rose when they decided to become an occupying force, usurp our rights and kill our people, which prompted us to resist them. therefore, when the zionist chief of staff talks about the end of the... he is lying and trying to make excuses for story that we did not create and was created by the nazis. i think the answer it is very simple. designist media published pictures of him signing the missiles that were fired to kill our people, women and children. therefore i hope that he changes the title of his book to say, "the..."