's prime minister says his planned incursion into rafa will be delayed somewhat, quote unqute, if captive's deal is reached, but that it will happen regardless. here in the uk, shadow chancellor rachel reeves of the opposition labor party tells a pro israel group, she'll prosecute those with quote, anti-zionism and anti-israel feeling that is allowed to flourish in some communities, unquote, since october last year, the israeli regime backed by the us and europe, has killed some 30,00 palestinians and wounded more than 70,00 others, most of them women and children. time now to introduce our panel in the studio, journalist and producer sakina datu, and via skype from johannesburg, south africa, executive director of afro-middle east center, naim ja. welcome, i'll start with you, sakina. um, we have known, expected it for some time, but the israeli prime minister says the rafa. will happen, your

reflection on that, given how dire the humanitarian situation already is, and keeping in mind the warning from the un chief who said the full-scale military operation, and i quote, would deliver the final nail in the coffin for the eight program in the blockaded coastal? i don't know what is left in terms of putting in the final nail in the coffin, i mean at the moment, 90%, according to the human rights watch, 90% of children. under the age of two and 95% of pregnant and breastfeeding mothers are facing severe food poverty in in gaza, so i really don't know what is it that is the, i mean what this shows is the people of gaza are obviously going through very difficult time in the in their lives, however i think this is an indication of un failing, i think it's not the people who are on trial, the these...

institutions backed traditionally, i think by the west, you know, all un bodies that are on trial, and think after this, whichever way it goes, there will have to be new world order in terms of the whole concept of aid and who delivers and how it is done and who controls it, so i see it more really as the un bodies and international bodies being on trial at the moment given the horrible, horrible humanitarian. that's unfolding, that is for sure, muhammad, if i could come to you now, just a quick change of gears, in the past few hours we heard that the palestinian prime minister muhammad has handed in his resignation, why do you think that is happening, what do you make of it all? well, mean the kind of superficial thing is a protest against the genocide that's that's taking place, but think that there's much

more machination machinations taking place beneath the surface and particularly with regards to the american insistence that ghazza in in their terms the day after hamas, which you is ridiculous notion in itself, but that that ghazza should be with the west with the west bank under the control of palestinian authority, and i think the stepping aside of muhammad shitah might be part of that process. let's just remember, that neither shitaya know the person who appointed him, mahmoud abbas are in their positions democratically. abbas's term of office ended in in in 2009. shitaya was appointed, not elected as was his predecessor by that unelected president, and so they really have no democratic legitimacy, and right now, in the past few months, no legitimacy or credibility whatsoever. among

palestinians, many of whom are being shot at and imprisoned in the west bank by the security forces of the very same palestinian authority, but the the danger of this, if what i'm saying is actually correct, that it's part of an american machination, the danger is that shataya stepping aside means that abbas will appoint another prime minister will be much closer to the americans, much closer to the israelis and will satisfy the israelis. the pa can uh control uh gaza and the west bank in coordination with israel, and and the pa uh are of course involved in uh ceasefire negotiations, sakina, how optimistic are you that these talks will yield something positive for the palestinians in gaza? i'm not that optimistic, i i i do hope and i do think that they will come up with some sort of a cease fire, but is it going to be a cease fire that? is you know useful in any

manner? i don't think so, because as as you know ja was talking, this is in collaboration obviously with the us, and it's just going to be an. the form of occupation after all this has happened, if we end up with that situation basically back to what was before, then i really feel like so many lives have been lost and it will all be in vain, so in a way i, you know, i'm double minded, on one hand, of course we want to see sease fire, we want to see the end of the suffering, but i'm also fearful of the cease fire, because i don't know what that cease fire means or comes up with, i mean, there is lot of... lives lost and they have paid a high price, but with that the world has changed, mean the world since october 7th has completely becomes something different, people who had never really understood or even question themselves, look within themselves to understand the consciousness of being a

human, what it means really, you know in supporting truth, we see this from different kind of people, different nationalities, different culture, faith, no faith, young, old, and "if this was not capitalized in ensuring that palestine is completely free, that you know the occupation ends, then for me that kind of cease fire is really sell out, and it's i would find that lot harder to accept, and of course it is, at least what they're discussing now is only a six week long pause in the in the and that's only really to get the hostages out and then because netanyahu has clearly said that he will finish the job end of the day. so it's not looking very good, we will uh get back to the global awakening to the palestinian plight uh later on, but stay with me both of you, for now palestinians um gathered amongst the ruins of gaza city waiting for desperately needed aid to arrive in the

besieg territory. humanitarian groups say they have struggled to reach other parts of the unclave to deliver assistance. unrua, the main un agency delivering aid to the people. the world's largest open air prison says it hasn't been able to deliver food assistance to northern gaza in over a month, which is force some of the remaining inhabitants to resort to eating animal feed. here's more. i'm here with all these other people to get some flour, there is no food in gazza. we are asking the free world to find a solution. there is no more hunger, we're dying of hunger. all these people are waiting, even if they die or... get shot or go missing, find us solution for the love of god, there are children that need to eat, there are children that need medicine, there are children who need to live and go to school, we haven't seen anything, find us solution, lift the siege, i'm here to get flower or any aid to feed my kids before the month of ramadan, we

have nothing, we need food and water, we're not scared of war or anything, we just need food and water, now "i mean, we've had six days of hearings on israel's occupation of palestinian territories at the icj, but before that, it's been a month since the un's highest court issued its interim ruling in the genocide case brought by south africa. what do you make of israel's conduct in the wake of the plausible genocide hearing? the human rights watch believes that apartide israel is not complying with the icj order in genocide in the genocide case." "well, it's absolutely not complying, not with any single one of the provisional measures that that the court ordered, none of them, and not, not the provision, the allowing of the provision of aid, not seasing the killings of people in

gaza, none of them, in fact, the in the face that israel and its allies have given the icj was clear within hours of the order being handed down. when the us first followed by the uk and then other states, now totaling 16, decided to suspend their funding of unarwa, which was a clear attack against the icj's ruling, the icj um ordered that aid must be allowed to flow in, and what they did was was was defund so that aid doesn't flow in, so clearly the israel has not abided by any of the provisional measures audit, we wait to see what they will say. i mean it's you know the israeli elite live in a world of their own, i think, so there's one of two possibilities, either they completely ignore the court and not submit a report as they were ordered to do, or they submit a report where they say we doing everything possible to ensure that civilians are not killed and

we evacuate and we warn and all of the kinds of things that they said at the hearing itself, all of which is lies and not even propaganda, just outright lies, exactly and and of course there have been attempts to block the little aid that is getting into the gaza strip, the israeli occupation forces targeting uh gazan administrative forces protecting the aid. going to where it is all needed. um, i want to go back to what i said earlier, um, sakina that i would, and that is the importance for people to watch those submissions at the icj, you mentioned this um alert, awakening of people's consciousness about what is happening there, um, how important is it, because everything, every submission, every speech we saw there was so factual, it was very eloquent, and and it put the issue in its historical context, extremely important, i mean i can't emphasize

that more, because mind you that whatever, whatever is the truth is out there, like i said, awakening is has happened, but there are efforts and severe efforts to take us back where we come from, i mean the amount of money that is being poured into propaganda by the zionist entity is unbelievable and they will not rest and they will not give up, so if people were not to you know watch the... and understand the issues themselves, it is very easy for mainstream media in the west, for example to take us back and you know confuse people, speak lies as they always have done and water down, you know all these issues that are being discussed at the icj and i think for that reason it is very very important that people are clued on and we refuse, we genuinely say we're not ready to go back to those days you know where we were even even things simple things like talking about you, we heard the case of professor david miller, i mean in in that era just

saying for example ideology of zinism talking about it was threatened, whereas we've seen the change now, the law is supporting the fact that you can talk about zionism, so i think it's very important in terms of legally to understand you know what what law allows does not allow, but also another aspect of it, i think is also to differentiate between what how the west sees things and global south and i think to understand i for for me personally i find that there is such lot of difference even here in the united kingdom in how people view countries like south africa who brought in the case because there has been a very negative very limited awareness of what africa is capable of for example but by south africa putting in such a strong and case of their i think they've put themselves in the map so for all those reasons it's very important that we you know we are glued there and people watch this and understand naim, how do you think has the october 7th surprise

attack, reprisal attack on by the palestinian resistance movement, hamas brought the palestinian plight, the israeli occupation of their land and so to the attention of the world, i mean in over four months we're for the first time in in their history we're looking at that uh the icj looking talking about the word genocide and also illegal occupation. well, i think the flip side of that question is what would have happened to the palestinian cause in the global imagination if the 7th of october did not happen, and there was a real danger by that point of of the palestinian cause being systematically made to be forgotten in a sense. in in many sectors of of the world, remember that saudi arabia was on the verge

of normalizing relations, that they were sustained attacks against the masjid al aqsa, and no one was doing anything about it, that there was a pogram that that were that took place within two three days of the seventh of before the 7th of october in huara in in the west bank, and there wasn't any kind of global outcry, these things were happening systematically and incrementally. in order to destroy the palestinian world, but also to to make the palestinian cause forgotten, so if saudi arabia had normalized relations with israel, there were other arab and muslim countries waiting in the wings to follow suit, and israel would then say that it has great relations with with the arab countries and with muslim countries, except for one or two problematic ones, and the palestinians were irrelevant, what the 7th of october did was made the palestinians relevant again. um and and in fact what what the 7th of october and its aftermath has done is turn its head

the whole notion of international law, the role of international institutions, and i don't think that anyone in the global south is going to come out of this period the same as they were uh on the 6th of october, this has really changed how we view the world, how we view international, when i say we, i mean we in the global south, how we view international law? how we view our place in the world and and our place in the midst of powerful powerful states etc. so everything has changed from the 7th of october. yeah, of course, um, more of the discussion in in just a minute, but for now, a quick reminder, everyone, this is gaza under attack, a deep dive into the news surrounding the ongoing us led israeli genocidal war on gaza, the blockaded coastal enclave. members of the christian faith here in london took part in a public pro gaza action outside the general

senate of the church of england over the weekend, handing out leaflets to lobby the arriving members of the senate to raise the... burning question of the genocidal siege of gaza, have look, today we are uh seeing the general senor of the church of england, the governing body of the anglican church, which is meeting to discuss various items of the agenda, but i'm shocked of item which absolutely topical, the question of gaza, and it suffering is not being discussed, and we are here to ask for sinon to for officially not just for a sist fire a permanent his fire and also to speak out about this guestry butchery which is happening children over 1000 children have died and many more are suffering of starvation, illness and everything else and so we see sinod and there are actually quite a few christians not just in gaza but also on

the west bank and we expect the scena to speak out um i want to um to to with other christian people who are asking archbishop welby why, when this is a crucial meeting of the senate of the church of england, he chooses not to have the war in gaza on the agenda. the action was organized by the non-politically aligned group campaign. here's more. uh, we think that the problem, the biggest problem consists of what happened in has happened over the last 75 or years or even the last 120 years uh the development of a project to ethnically cleanse native people. we really need to call out archbishop welby. the worst thing has been uh and you've probably heard about this that he has uh

refused to meet pastor muuntar isaac. from bethlehem, that's the bethlehem pastor who gave wonderful sermon on christmas day, he's the archbishop of canterbury has refused to meet him on the grounds that he shared a platform with jeremy corbin, now as regards his position on uh, i i don't think he has any good. reason to do that, and i think it's the most unchristian act, and it needs to be called out in no uncertain terms by the people in the church and the people in this synod. the united nations human rights chief vulker turg has lashed out attempts to undermine the legitimacy and work of the un and its affiliates. the council was kicking off a six-week session as crises of human

rights are bound, especially inside gaza where un bodies are awarding off funding cuts. and attacks from tel aviv, i'm disturbed by attempts to undermine the legitimacy and work of the united nations and other institutions. they include disinformation that targets human humanitarian organizations, peacekeepers and my office. the un has become a lightning rod for manipulative propaganda and a scapecoat for policy failures. this is profoundly. destructive of the common good and it callously betrays the many people whose lives rely on it. well we have few more minutes to go. let's continue the conversation with my guest sakina datu and naim jinah and sakina will come to you now. do you think the christian community has been doing enough to advocate for palestinians especially when you

consider the number of christians who live both in gaza and the west bank? not really and think. "the christian community in the west is really compromised with the exception of few you know like the father gally who speak all the time, they are a handful of of christians who speak and this is this is the danger of the fact that first of all they become part of the system, they've become part of the state, you know with for example ark bishop refusing to meet a bishop from from bethlehem, the place birth place of jesus, simply because he met you shared the platform with j'. robin so you can see that the zionists really are dictating what the church does, so the church has become an extension of the state, but this is this is danger when you you believe in the concepts of for example, of church and state, i mean part of religion is is to to have political views. i mean in islam, i think this is very

strong that you cannot, you cannot differentiate between politics, social life. islam is a code of life and therefore it has influence on every aspect of it, and that used to be the case with the church also, but lately they have become very weak, i think they don't have any power and the leadership has is just you know. "they are being ruled by zionists just like everyone else, and name, tel aviv hasn't missed its words its low regard for bodies like the united nations, the rights body is fighting back, but might it be too late as it's been defunded, undermined and sidelined? let me first, if you don't mind, just say one word about the the churches, i think within the churches as well, there's a shop divide." between the global north and the global south, that same anglican church that wellby is the head of, one of the most famous, most vocal supporters of the palestinian cause in south africa was archbishop desmond 22 from

the anglican church, even right now in the world council of churches there's a north south divide on the on the palestinian issue, but on on your question, i don't think it's too late, i mean i think that that global pressure being brought to bear on on on various states particularly. those states that have suspended funding for unarwa and and to bring to to bring this to a kind of crisis situation in these states is extremely important. i think that the work of organizations like unarways extremely important, we have very negative impression many of us of the un because of the security council and the skewed way in which security council operates, but the who, the unarwa etc. and the attacks they've sustained. and it's not just tax in propaganda as mr turk said in in in that clip there um hundreds of un staff have been murdered, targeted in in

gaza and killed, that includes teachers, it includes medical personnel, health personnel etc. so the the attack against un is extremely strong by israel and all right, we're out of time, thank you to both of you, sakinadad to uh naim. regina, many thanks again for sharing your thoughts with us and thank you for watching us. catch our earlier episodes by visiting pressv.ir, until we meet again, continue to keep palestine in your hearts.

diming report indicates that deaths from terrorism in africa have sky. rocated more than 10000% during the so-called us war on terror. the study by the african center for strategic studies revealed during 2002 and

2003 when the us was just beginning. it's decades long war, total of just nine terrorist attacks were counted throughout all of africa, leading to only 23 casualties, but after two decades of us intervention in africa with a purported aim of helping the continent in counter terrorism, deaths from takfiri, violence in africa increased to 23,322 last year, reaching a record level of lethal violence, so what exactly are us troops doing in africa if they're not fighting terrorists as they claim? in this week's show we'll be shining light on the influence of an ultraasist sect known as habad and the israeli intelligence agency shinbet has said that the vast majority of these people involved in these attacks are uh linked to um you know this extremist faction

based in the yita uh settlement in particular, there's actually kabad linked uh yeshiva jewish seminary in that settlement. in the case of palestinians that the key question is uh will they grow up to challenge us in the future of something which you can't tell about it baby, but nevertheless they can tell and they can tell that any palestinian baby is a threat to them in the future and they can be engaged regardless of whether you're trying to kill the parents or not, you can just kill the babies by themselves and this is the depths of the horror of of the the flow. feel the ideas of this sex.

h says there are still big gaps that need to be bridged for sease fire in gaza as israel presses ahead with the deadly strikes on the baseage. un says israeli forces are targeting aid convoys in gaza as they try to systematically block aid access to people in need, and you're all preparing for legislative and assembly of experts elections that will be held simultaneously on friday.