of a of peace be upon you and welcome to iron islam, the show where we look at current affairs through an islamic lens. each week we evaluate a trending new story and we break it down from an islamic perspective. with muslims observing the holy month of ramadan, of many will be engaging in social activities with their brothers and sisters, including iftars, communal prayers and events aimed at

propagating islam to non-muslims, but in recent years we've seen the zionist lobby and its collaborators in the muslim community propagating efforts that on the surface appear to be harmless into faith events, but are actually attempts to normalize the zionist regime to muslims around the world. in this week's episode we'll look at how these attempts are made and we'll explore what muslims must do to remain alert to them. first we take a look at some specific examples of the kind of individuals and organizations that are engaging in such. normalization actions. interfaith denotes a harmony for all and elevates the idea of coexistence. however, in recent years, they have become vehicles for normalizing zionism in the muslim community. the peaceful multi-faith community building exercise has been hijacked by some in the hopes of weaponizing the goodwill between believers in the abrahammic faiths. one such group is called nashiim, a muslim and jewish female only. work that engages in superficial level

discussions on religious matters in the hopes of utilizing the friendships formed under the banner of interfaith harmony and worship to silence criticism on israel. an event they held over preparations for the holy month of ramadan and the jewish holiday of yum kipur, they repeated that we must celebrate what our similarities are and respect our differences. they later clarified that this statement was not regarding theological differences, but specifically in relation to the settler colonial israel, however this is not surprising as the pro israel board of deputies of british jews admits that it incubated nashim for this purpose. not only is this group funded by the board of deputies, but also by david dango, whose family also funds the islamophobic henry jackson society. such infiltration requires muslim accomplices. the co-founder of nashiim, juli sadiq. is also the co-founder

of the big iftar and works as a muslim interfaith consultant for the cosha iftar established a pro israel synagogue. she has a long history of working with the british armed forces, which she has openly stated is something we should be proud of. critics say that personalities like siddiqi are the muslim face of zionism and hugely damage the value of interfaith work in multifaith, multicultural societies like the uk. now joining us on the show this week to discuss this extremely important topic, are two very special guests. we are honored to be joined by reverend dr. stephen seiser, the founder and director of peacemaker trust, uk charity, dedicated to peacemaking, especially where minorities are persecuted, where justice is denied and human rights are suppressed. stephen is also chair of the coviventia alliance and the director of the institute for the study of christian zionism as well as being a member of the executive of the israeli committee. against house demolitions.

he's a retired anglican priest, but continues to serve as chaplin to the former bishop of jerusalem, bishop riah abu asad. we are also of pleased to welcome favorite of the show, back, said am kazmi, who helps run the left legal fighting front, legal defense fund which focuses on assisting anti-racist, anti-fascists and anti-zionist individuals and groups who need legal support. salam alaikum and welcome to you both. reverend sizer. to start here with yourself, how would you define inter faith and what are the benefits of such dialogue and events? inter faith is about people of different faiths coming together to understand one another's background. it's not about uh proslitism, it's about complementing, collaborating of issues of common concern, whether it's poverty uh or... extremism or in case at the

moment gaza, it's about listening rather than speaking, it's about empathizing, putting ourselves. the shoes of the other and finding what we have in common common cause and then working together to ameliorate whether it's natural disasters, human suffering or or extremism. so then what would you say the zionist movement seeks to achieve by engaging in interface, in what some have described soft war strategy? why are they spending time, effort and money, perhaps speaking to people who may oppose their ideology? well, we've just been describing what i authentic inter faith dialogue where we treat one another as equals, respectful, and seeking to understand one another. the kind of interfath dialogue that the zionist movement engages in is very different. it's along the lines of we set the agenda and therefore you cannot

criticize israel, so it becomes a tool to suppress human rights suppress, challenging israel's action, so for example, the uk we have the council of christians and jews (ccj), but in reality it's the council of christians for jews. it never criticizes, the jewish community, never criticizes israel, it's used as a means of suppressing christian critiques of what israel does. and if i could turn to yourself as well, and maybe first ask you the same question that uh, what does the zionist movement seek to achieve by engaging in such inter? faith and also maybe touching any uh personal experiences or professional experiences you've had when dealing with uh these types of events? well, as reverend ceiser was quite eloquently explaining, there's nothing wrong in principle with having inter faith dialogue. in fact,

particularly between the three abrahamic faiths, i think there's been lots of inter faith dialogue and discussion over many centuries, this is not really something uh new, the issue is really in terms of... how designist movement and the state of israel in particular seeks to weaponize this term inter faith and this idea of inter faith dialogue in order to serve its own interests which really is uh has manifested itself in terms of infiltrating you know muslim communities trying to essentially get them on board with the idea of being friends with with welcoming zionists who are openly zionists into their... uh communities into their mosks, breaking bread with them uh, and that has kind of insidious effect because if you're talking with somebody and you're becoming friends with them and you're becoming friendly with them under the guys of interface, but really this person is trying to promote zionism, it could help to

compromise that individual, that muslim or that christian is speaking to them in a very sort of soft way, because the next time that person sees atrocities in gaza, in palestine, or you wants to criticize israel in any way, perhaps they might think twice, they think, well, i met this person, and they seem to be pro israel, maybe i don't want to offend them, i don't want to disturb these interfath community relations we've developed, so this is actually one of the strategies, it's not necessarily just about open prossolitism and you should defend israel because of this, that and the other, it's also about trying to compromise people. through their relationships and this is sort of the most insidious factor that the cyanist movement um and the sciences into both industry uh has and it's almost like trying to disarm uh people if you will by default really as you as you mentioned there um just staying with yourself ammar what's the danger in the holy

month of ramadan in particular of course at the moment billions of muslims around the world are observing shah ramadan what kind of events do you see the zionists seeking? to exploit, we did see uh some of them being touched upon in our video just earlier in the show, but if you could expand on perhaps some these types of strategies? well, there are a plethera of these interface um organizations within britain, and so during this holy month of ramadan, of course, i was just talking about breaking bread, this is the perfect opportunity to try to organize things like interfath, it's you know... invites different sections of the muslim community who may be completely unaware, this is the problem is a complete lack of curiosity, lack of skepticism and indeed naivity when it comes to this, and so you have muslims and mosks being invited to these interfaiths and you

know in a spirit of brotherly or community, generosity, and so it's essentially a time in which the interface, faith washed. industry uh is able to turbo charge its agenda within the muslim community, because at this point in time, muslims are quite vulnerable in the sense that many muslims begin becoming... more active in terms of their religious practice, in terms of their attendance at events, their attendance at mosks about the country during the holy month of ramadan, and it's an opportune moment to take advantage of that basically. thank you, sad amar. dr. saizer, now obviously you are an esteemed member of the christian community, and a reverend of course as well. have you ever been maybe invited to or attended or you know been part of event and maybe it's become clear to you later on, hang a minute this? maybe uh, engaging with zionists or something, has that been something that people have tried to reach out and maybe

pressure you to engage in? um, do you mean in terms of um from a sinust perspective? yeah, like like just in terms of you, maybe some groups reaching out and saying, we want to do some interfath, maybe before um, your your views on sionism were perhaps as as well-known as they were? um, to be honest and no, i think most of the times i've engaged with zianis it's been in a situation where they've tried to challenge me or debate with me uh so i've made several programs uh with uh zianist tv stations, radio stations where they've tried to trap me, tried to engage with me uh, but um i think they gave up trying to win me from the very beginning, i think uh i've been involved in lots of uh interfaith uh events and opportunities particularly with jewish and muslim friends where we're genuinely trying to find areas of common ground that we can work together, yeah, yeah, and i think that's key, it's uh,

sincerity and and genuinely engaging with people who aren't trying to use, interface, which some actually prominent zionists in the uk for example, have openly said, we use inter faith as a way to make the case for israel in a church or in a mosque, and describe the kind of disarming tactics that armar was alluding to uh as well, now of course i in islam uh did speak to people in london to ask them their thoughts on the attempts being made across the world to normalize the existence of the zionist entity in the name of inter faith. i think that interfaith is is a good thing, it's good to kind of get to know um other faiths and what they're doing and it builds those connections to start conversations. i think that we have to differentiate between kind of um interface events and opportunities to network and connect um and almost creating that network to buffer down and silent. lot of our own opinions and lot of our own viewpoints um with this idea that because we're kind of

connected and friend friendly um it gives us kind of puts us in a bit more awkward situation position to kind of speak up about what we believe in um so i think that it's a good thing but within our boundaries and with our kind of understanding of what we can talk about and what we can't any multi-fath projects in that context uh would have been used as kind of form of submission in the same way you might see it in geopolitic. where um certain countries may say we're looking for forgiveness, peace, friendliness, etc., but ultimately it might be lending itself more towards submission or to acceptance of oppression. um, it's i think we shouldn't assume that the normalization projects, for example, we should look at each case critically, and there are a lot of things that we don't want to politicize as muslims, but ultimately if our enemies, we know them, they are politicizing it, look out for those cases and be ready to treat them, treat those cases accordingly. the're the

sort of events where a point of view can generally be put across where we're building up allies so that they can defend us in our times of need, those are pos then those are of course positive events and positive things that we should do, but if there events where it's just tokenism and it's just a whole bunch of chaps patching each other's backs and nothing actually being achieved in long term, then i don't see what the point is. now reveven, if i could um come back to yourself, we know that initially zionism was an anti-semit. kind of evangelical christian project if you will, before it was so-called jewish one, can you elaborate more on that? yes, um, at the end of the 18th century, napoleon was at war with the british, french and the british were competing to control north africa, the middle east, and our trade roots to our colonies and other parts of the world, and napolian was the first world ruler in 2000 years to promise the jews a homeland in palestine. because he wanted uh the wealthy jewish bankers to back his war effort

against the british, so he set the price on palestine, he was unable to deliver, but by the 1820s, british politicians were recognizing the need to secure uh the support the jewish community to help defeat the french and then eventually the the germans to control palestine, because palestine. the the bridge, if you like, between the continents, so the race was to control palestine, so it was, it was driven by some who were phyosemitic, genuinely loved the jewish people and felt the... should be returned to the land of their their origins um in fulfillment of bible prophecy, but the anti semitic element was either implicit or explicit. implicit in the sense that they were a tool of british colonialism. the belful declaration promised the jews a homeland in the british empire, it didn't promise them a state, didn't promise them

independence, we weren't giving land away in the beginning of the 20th century. the explicit anti-semites. just wanted to get rid the jews out of europe, out of britain and and and plant them in the middle east, so um, the zinius project, christian involvement preceded jewish about at least 50 years, more than that, and today nine out of 10 zionists are christians, john hager for example, one the leaders of the christian zionist movement in the state said, imagine 50 million evangelical christians in america joining in common course with.

believe that you know uh jews must be forcefully converted at the end of times, and the talmed has less than complementary words about jesus and christians for example, but there seems to be this marriage of convenience at the moment between these two sides, um and also it's interesting you mentioned the british state because of course they promised the homeland, but then there was this campaign of terrorism by groups like the hagana and the stern gang and the organ who uh attacked uh british politicians and statesman. and the king david hotel on that road to getting their independence from britain, so just interesting that whilst we see this philososemitism actually under the surface there's been a lot of uh violence, particularly from designist movement. say if i could come back to you, and we saw earlier of course uh muslims in london, they are clearly aware of the disguise if you will being used by these normalization projects,

but what role do collaborators in the muslim and christian community for that matter play in terms of how the... enable this agenda? well, the role of collaborators is absolutely vital, not just in faithwashing, but also more broadly in terms of furthering the interests of nefarious actors, be it, islamophobes within the british state or elsewhere, without theose sort of collaborators, the sort of good face if you like, of this activity. there wouldn't be the depth of um infiltration within our mosks and our churches and that's principly because the people who are allowing them into these spaces are the people very often who are leaders in our community, people who are trustees of different buildings and centers and so they is them are principally

responsible for allowing these cionist actors into our space. says and also um promoting it within you know the muslim community as something harmless and actually i have to say i think that it's largely a case of naivity than it is of malis because i think when muslims and christians who by and large are very you know peace loving people who love their brothers in faith in terms of the abrahamic faiths when they see this issue of inter faith they think well of course we you have lots of common ground. monotheistic, we have, we believe in many of the same scriptures and prophets, so why wouldn't we try to have a dialogue to engage and get to know each other better and work on various issues that are of mutual interest, for example, when it comes to muslims and jews in particular, issues around burial rights are very important, it's important for jews and muslims in local areas to you, have um a

dialogue when it comes to their councils in terms of arranging those uh arranging those issues to the funerals for example, they see this and think, well why wouldn't we be involved? but there is lack of curiosity and as i say, naivity about some of the broader aims being pushed, and of course there are those people who we shouldn't give the benefit of doubt to who have been very active in this inter faith peacewashing and faithwashing industry for a long time, you exactly what they're doing, so those actors are completely critical in terms of giving thesigns move. the depth that they have within our muslim and christian communities across the world, but you particularly in britain and the united states. and if i could just stay with you as well, due to the environment of hate, and pressure that we're seeing placed on the muslim community, the guilt tripped sometimes into participating in normalization projects, maybe to prove their innocence and to prove they aren't anti-semitic, how do you advise muslims and

indeed again christians, to proceed when faced with these types of infiltration attempts and these pressure attempts in our communities? well, i think i can only really speak on in terms of muslims, because i think we have a there are some particular issues with our community, which is that... uh by and large the muslim community is made up of immigrants and descendants of immigrants in britain of course there are many people who converted to islam but principly you say uh comes from a population that doesn't originate you know from britain as it were at least in sort of the last sort of 60 70 years um and so there are multiple issues at play there is for some people there is issue of thinking of being sort of grateful guests if you like i like this term grateful guests syndrome they think that "they don't really have any power or agency in britain and so they are at the behest of the british state and all of these various interests and if they don't accommodate them in some way then

they could end up being deported, they could have issues uh in terms of their immigration status, they could be put on lists, they could be targeted in some way, so that's an issue that i think is particular to the muslim community more than is to the um christian um community, but also i think it's a lack of confidence in one's own." fictions because if you are catching win to the idea that basically this is being used to sort of leverage interest within the muslim community and you don't do anything about that because you're scared of potentially the charity commission is going to come after you, maybe you're not going to get funding from home office or something like that, and so you end up compromising on your religious ideals to promote that, then that's really a question of... of religious conviction and indeed of in some ways, it might be considered by some to be a strong language, but i think it's absolutely appropriate, it's kind of a treatury to your own values, never mind to

your fellow community members, yeah, absolutely, and uh, reverend, if i could ask you the same type of question, what advice would you have to people who are faced with, i mean you've come under immense pressure and kind of campaigns by zainest organizations, what advice would you have to others in terms of standing strong if you will? "find out more uh, reach out, if you're if you're uh breaking your ramadan fast, invite neighbors, christians, jews to join you, find out who they are, what you have in common, as parents, uh, as grandparents, as commun, in your communities, um, reach out and find out more about anti-signist jewish organizations, for example, the jewish network for palestine, or the israeli committee against house demolitions." to jewish organizations i'm involved with, um, the converventia alliance brings together three faith communities to work for justice and peace in palestine, or from the palestinian christian

perspective, organizations like sabil or kyros, because people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care, and we have so much in common that is far more than the things on which we uh differ. um, we are stronger together, and that's why i would encourage those listening and watching our program to engage in interfath dialog, you have nothing to lose, so much to gain. excellent, thank you so much uh, for your wonderful insights, reverend, and of course as well to you, brother say, unfortunately, that's all we have time for today, and i'd like to also thank you at home for watching this episode of ion islam, you can join us again next week for another edition. assalam alaikum.

bismillahirrahmanirrahim.

in today's show we'll be revealing the role the diamond business in sustaining israel's economy, how it supports zionist extremists, its links to illegal settlements and the way in which it's bank rolling genocide in gaza. what israel is able to do is sanitize blood diamonds, but not only that, the proceeds of diamond cell, but those who are engaged in it as supporting uh the illegal settlements in palestine, the whole issue here is that, if you have biden, you have a deeply pro israel genocidal policy, if you have trump, you have a deeply pro israel genocidal policy, there are differences of course, in particular in financial relationships, but but the the differences are small. in late 2023,

south africa filed a case at the international court of justice, icj over the israeli apath regime's genocidal war against palestinians in the besieg gaza strip. south africa stated that the televive regime has failed to uphold its commitments under the 1948 genocide convention. south africa filed the lossit against the israeli regime at the end of december, noting that israel's actions in gaza that started last. talked about are genocidal character because they are intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the palestinian national, racial and ethnic group, we have a special guest to discuss the topic today, he's none other than south african ambassador to iran, his excellency dr. francis molloy. thank you, mr. ambassador for your time today. thank you very much for inviting me, mubarak. it's a pleasure to be here.

the headlines, the new footage emerges showing unarmed palestinian men waving white flags of surrender fatally shot by israeli troops and buried by bulldozer near gaza city. ireland strongly condemns israel's crime. against palestinians in gaza, saying it will intervene in south africa's genocide case against the regime at the icj, and iran calls for global action to stop israel's genocide and war crimes in gaza, especially the regime's incessant attacks on the territory's hospitals.