south african ambassador to iran, his excellency dr. francis moloy. thank you, mr. ambassador for your time today. thank you very much for inviting me, mubarak. it's a pleasure to be here. gaza is now an open graveyard with humanitarian situation that is beyond desperate, this according to officials in the region, hello everyone. averyone, thank you

for being with us again. i'm amina taylor and as always, let's kick this edition of gaza under attack off with a quick review of the latest developments. dozens of palestinians have been killed in israeli strikes in the past 24 hours, according to gaza's health of ministry. this says israel intensifies the bombardment in the south of the besieg enclave ahead of a threatened full-scale attack on rafa by occupation forces. tel aviv has reacted. bitterly to the united nations security council, issuing its first demand for sease fire in gaza. the us came in for special criticism after israel's long-time ally abstained during the vote. israel canceled the plan visit of a high-level delegation to washington in retaliation. in escalation along the border, seven lebanese and an israeli were killed in an exchange of fire. hazbolah says it's launched dozens of rocket strikes in ritalia. nation to israeli

aggression. now the leader of resistance group, hamas ismal han said that israel has failed to achieve all of its strategic and military goals in the ongoing war in gaza. hannah is in a visit to the islamic republic of iran, made the comments a news conference in tehran after meeting the country's foreign minister. in the uk, parliamentarians and pairs have signed letter urging london to ban armed sales to israel. this has britain faces legal action over its decision to pause funding for aid body unrah. since october last year, the death told in the us israeli genocide on gaza has stopped 32,00 with tens of thousands missing and wounded. with us for this edition of the program in the studio alongside myself, the journalist and broadcaster ted kofe and with us via skype from johannesburg in south africa, tisetso magama. tisetso is a long-time political

activist and he served in various roles within the african national congress, the anc, as well as leading other grassroots movements in south africa, and he joins us in his capacity as the spokesperson for africa for palestine. welcome to you both. uh, tet, it seems a real shame every time you are here, and those moments have lasted, perhaps longer than anyone of us would like in this capacity, the the sheer numbers killed. the share brutality, just bring us up to speed with your reaction, well it it the longer the thing goes, the more clear it becomes that turning the uh the gaza crisis around, it's like turning a uh an oil tanker, you spin the wheel and it'll take a long time for the ship to take traction, but it's gathering momentum all the time, what? looks like something that

will never stop is actually its way to cessation, i'm sure about that. and your own thought to set so, mean, we mentioned the horrifying statistics there, 32,00 plus of killed, 75,00 plus wounded, just your musings on the scale of this genocidal war on gaza. the scale is horrifying, um, and it's you know, it's something that... we haven't of heated to seen at least for the past um 20 years um you excluding of course um you know what we've seen in syria and not so long ago, but the fundamental difference this time around is that these atrocities, this genocide and and ethnic lensing is literally taking place on our phones and laptops and televisions, this is unprecedented and so i think um you know... we have reached in in

many ways a crossroads to perhaps really as not as part of a cliche, but but this is really a crossroads because very few people to... they you have the luxury of of denying what many of us have been saying for decades that there is ethnic cleansing that has been happening, there is a genocide in various iterations, of course nothing that we have seen you know thus far and and it's horrifying, but i think what is even more horrifying is the extent to which you know leaders in the west have met these atrocities. with with the kind of apathy that we have seen, perhaps even more shocking than the babies and and and women and and the elderly and an entire population and you know erased from the face of the earth and so so this is one of those unspeakable crimes that i think history will not forgive uh humanity

for allowing them to continue and continue for such a long time indeed and just stay with me here to set so because "we see israel in near global isolation after the us dropped its veto position and abstain during that e10 vote, ensuring that of course the other council members would vote in favor of that ceasefire, and we're going to go deeper into this element, but what was your reaction to that almost poetic moment when it was clear, almost visually that america was saying, listen, we can't continue to support this." much longer, it's not a testament to the us administration, to the biden administration, is really testament to the struggles of the international community, especially the global south and indeed the citizens of the global north who have been pushing the united

states and their governments in the west to you know take a step back and and review their policy in regards to this ongoing genocide. so really, i think this is this is the one moment that should give hope to all of us that you know with united and consistent action uh we will we will eventually prevail and so in that context the palestinian struggle you know in broadly strategically um will also prevail not on the basis of um the you know a change of heart. uh, in the hearts of of self-declared zionists like joe biden, the democratic party in the us and the republicans, um, you know, but really it's going to be a struggle, as as the late president augustino netto said, the angolan poet president, he said no regime can

press over the hot lead of a boiling pot forever, and i think we have seen a culmination of that moment, indeed, tet, i'm going to get you to waid in on this uh... after we hear from the palestinian delegation here, because the dust continues to settle on the move by the un security council to approve a resolution on gaza demanding immediate ceasefire and the immediate and unconditional release of all captives. now the 10 non-permanent members, the e10 proposed draft was adopted in a vote, as i mentioned earlier, of 14 in favor and one abstention, that of the united states. the palestinian permanent representative to the un gave his reaction. after previous ceasefy motions were killed by the us using its veto power. when such atrocities are being committed in broad daylight against defenseless civilians, including women and children, the right thing to do, the only

thing to do, morally, legally, politically, is to put to put an end to it. "there can be no justification for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. accepting any justification for such crimes is renouncing our humanity and destroying the rule of international law beyond repair. this must be a turning point. this must lead to saving lives on the ground. this must signal the end the..." this assault of atrocities against our people, nation is being murdered, nation is being dispossessed, nation is being displaced for decades now, but never at this

scale since the nakba. the palestinian delegate there, riyad mansor and tell. did not react well to this, in fact netanyahu, just let me get this quote correct, said the us has abandoned its policy at the united nations, and that this move would harm the warm effort, the... war efforts and peace talks. do you think netanyahu has overplayed his hands slightly here? i don't think he has, because the whole thing is theater. um, i think that everybody knows and understands that the us and the israeli government under netanyahu are very close each other, they are allies. in fact, what is really demonstrative is the fact that by an act of omission, the united states underscored it allyship with the with the government of israel when everybody else said it's time for a cease

fire, so again this plays to the notion that they don't seem to be reading the fact that people outside, people in the global south have seen this for a long time, but now slowly people in the global north are coming to recognize the depth of the relationship there in... individual countries and of course the united states has with the state of israel, and it is with the growth of this understanding, especially given the context that actually our lies in the global north aren't as good as they used to be before, we're all going through a cost of living crisis, some countries are having terrible shocks with food prices and and access to fuel and so on, what this? does is that it makes people more empathetic to the suffering of other people, and i don't think that the

governments of the united states and many of these countries yet realize how much empathy their people are beginning to buy into what's going on? well uh to set so we know that um south africa has done more than be empathetic, they've really been using every power its disposal to get the cessation of... here, so do you think this move by the un security council has come too little, too late here, especially when you have nations like south africa pushing forward for more? well, i mean within the context of the suffering that is taking place amongst the palestinian people in gaza at the moment, um, you know, it can never be too little too late, um, indeed, it is late in the day, um, and of course we should, as we ought to be worried about, the fact that this cice fire um will only last for the remainder of

ramadan, which is roughly about two weeks. what we would have liked to see is a is of course a permanent cease fire um and of course um, you know, accompanied by path towards a resolution of the fundamental grievance of the palestinian people, because without that um, you know, this is only a short respite. um and palestinians cannot be asked to give up their right to resist against you, i mean resist such such a brutal occupation and apart it, and so that's what we would have liked to see, but as it were, you don't always get what you want, and so given that, i think the fundamental issue now for us is to the extent that it's possible to alleviate the suffering. and to minimize the suffering of the people there, getting the humanitarian aids and of course, you know,

they have sess fire, and then the process a process can then unfold, because i think that should give us the international community to the extent that there is something called in international community, given this, of course, you know, disastrous catastrophic failure of the united nations system. indeed let let me just ask you this very briefly and your response in less than a minute please uh we've seen no compliance thus far 76 people have died over the past just hours they didn't adde to the icj's interim ruling why they gna addere to this one look i think minister nadypando was she had very concrete proposal very concrete proposal she said look let's "the powerful armies of the world going to gaza, deliver humanitarian aid, and uh,

that probably uh is the only thing that will force israel to adhear, will israel bomb, you know, target, saudi arabia, the saudi arabian or the egyptian forces or the the united kingdom's forces, because the you, i mean, the uk and other powers especially the p5 members, of course, excluding the united states." um, you know, the permanent members, will, will, will israel do that? no, they won't, and so in the same way that they are certainly not going to target the so biden so callalled peer. in gaza, they certainly not going to target russian forces or chinese forces uh when they deliver humanitarian aid, and that of course, let's stick a let's stick a needle in this point and come right back to it, because i'm keen to hear how we address the rest of this, lack of compliance here, but very briefly now to a more domestic position, because since october the 7th, the uk has abstained in every sease five vote at

the un security council until last week, we asked the pro-palestinian activist. was man shazad, what he thought was behind the uk's change of heart? i believe there's so many agendas, whether it's a country for the economy, whether it's a politician for their votes, there's always going to be the agendas in the to begin with, i think it's an example, prime example is kistama, the head of labor, the head of opposition in the uk, his stance on the conflict going back two, three months ago, he was violating international law saying that israel have a right to cut off supplies of food and electricity, now his stance is that there should be in immediate cease fire around a month ago uh, i think this complete and otter carnage within politics, i feel like people are just picking and choosing who they want to support when they want to support it, whenever it suits them, now they've done polls in the uk to show that muslim voters, i think it's 38% of muslim voters said they're unfavorable towards compared to their stance

and position last year, the pressure is on the the elections now, even joe biden again has taken a step step back from his stance um, although it's important to note that again he the us abstained from the vote when it came to this un resolutions, so i do feel like there's a lot of uh political agendas that are being pushed. a man who's also nasheed artist said pro-palestinian activism is even more important now than before, just because the cease fire vote has been achieved, it doesn't mean palestinians are safe or at peace. "firstly, it's very important for all the motions, all the movements in the uk that support palestine to unify as won, there should be, i think they had the london protest going on for a period of three, four months every single weekend, and i think that's very important that we continue that pressure in london, outside the prime minister's home, outside the israeli embassy where we stand as one, united in our

millions to show that we are all palestinians, we support the cause, we stand against genocide, it's very, very easy for this government to paint." this picture that those who support uh palestine are actually pro hamas, those who support palestine are actually should be investigated, i think this is very very tactical um kind of pursuit by the government and it's completely therefore, there needs to be people who are educated, people who stand and speak, there needs to be media outlets like this novara media who's doing amazing amazing work, there's a owen jones, there's so many media platforms. that are doing amazing work, these need to be pushed into the media and we need to stop uh the censoring of information and by doing that obviously be careful with what uh content you're posting and please keep pushing this cause forward on social media on your platforms and don't i keep boycotting as well and the final thing i say is put pressure on mps, mean amazing amazing news

just about a couple of weeks ago we had george gallaway run uh for mp actually won uh in that region i think it needs to to be new wave of independent candidates who don't have a chief party whip who can make decisions in parliament, who can uh kind of have a stance and a view without having the view of the party uh, i think that's definitely one way, put pressure on your local counselors, put pressure on your mps, that's the way forward. the secretary general of the united nations, antonio gutierres, has called the un relief and works agency for palestinian refugees unra, lifeline of hope and... dignity, as he urges countries who've paused funding to reinstate the urgent support. gutieres also spoke of israel's growing isolation in light the global calls to respect the seesfire vote at the un. let's listen in. i deeply regret the decision that was taken to stop funding to undra and i strongly hope that that

measure will be revoked. when the reports that we are now preparing by independent entities on investigation and the review of unra will be published. see a growing consensus emerging international community to tell the israelies that the cease fire is needed, and i also see a growing consensus, heard it in the us, heard it from the european union, not to mention of course. and i strongly hope that this consensus that is emerging in the whole of the international community will make israel reflect and avoid

what could be dramatic tragedy. so much to get through in so little time, let me go through those developments with the last moments we have left on this edition of gaza under attack. ted kofe andgama are still with me. tesetso, before we he went on that um - slight segway there, you had some thoughts about the south african position of putting an army in place to deliver this aid to get the situation moving, um, just please continue on on on that track for us please, we've got about three and a half minutes of the program left, yeah, okay, briefly, look, minister pando made a proposal when as the very same question, how do you get uh this, if such decision were to be made by the security council? how do we get it to be implemented and she mused about the possibility of deploying of you know

especially powerful countries in the region and of course those members permanent members the security council to deploy their militaries and then the question that naturally arises is will israel target french american british you know egyptian uh troops, you not delivering humanitarian aid, no, they they certainly won't, and that should effectively bring israel's operations to an end, so the question then becomes, do we have those countries, especially those in the region, the ones in the global north is highly questionable, but we have the political will in the capitals of the global south and in particular in the region, especially those countries that have the gravitas in the region, to take take such a step to get israel to force israel's hand in this matter and that's the only way because as we know the security council doesn't have

its own mechanisms of implementing its resolutions, it relies on member states that have the capabilities and the resources to do it, those countries are right there, they have the capabilities, they've had billions of dollars to bomb yemen, it shouldn't be a difficult task to to send in their militaries to protect the people of... indeed to set so we always seem to have money for the bombing but not the clean up uh the floor is yours for the last portion, mean we can see that there's been a reaction, there is even the the threat of legal action to get britain to unpose its own refunding, so many different things have been happening in this respect, but if israel say look we're not, we're not even going to listen to you right now, does it matter what the rest of us do? well it just goes to show that this problem but palestine with with gaza has to be looked at in twin tracks, the tactical solutions to teto for example is talked about, it's a

brilliant solution, it's one plus one equals two, it's a it's it's a slam dunk as they would say, however for that to happen you have to understand that the underpinnings, the strategic issues must also be addressed as long as israel is buying weapons. "as long as israel is the uh western powers um aircraft carrier in the sea of the middle east, as long as the western powers have a strategic interest in maintaining israel there to look after their geopolitical requirements in the region, it's going to be very difficult for legal machinations, un machinations, brilliant minds like..." to said so putting up these ideas for it to function, that's why edmund burk said, do for evil to flourish, all that is required is for

good people to do nothing, and the gazans can well think we've been sitting on our hands uh, tets, it does it for us for the moment, ted cofito magama were my special guests and all thanks to them and of course to you for being with us, catch our early episodes by visiting pressv.co.uk and until next time continue. to keep palestine in your hearts.

bismillahirrahmanirrahim.

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your headlines on press tv, iran's leader stresses that the israely massacker in gaza show his failure in spite of all the western military and financial support. heavy clashes are on the way in the vicinity of our shifa hospital. as the us israel genocide brings the death toll to in gaza to more than 32,500. and dozens of protesters enter the department of business and trade in london to call on the british government to end arm sales to israel.