violated, how many more children have to be annihilated? this is not a war, it is how many more resolutions have to be stamatic genocide, but whatever they try, palestine will never die freak, hello, i'm chris williamson and you're watching palestine declassified, broadcasting twice a week. we're the only tv show that's dedicated

to investigating and exposing the regime's global war against solidarity with illegally occupied people at palestine. in the first part of today's show we'll be taking a look at the us presidential race and what it might mean in terms of the united states future policy towards palestine and israel. in the second part we'll be evaluating the outcome of the british general election and whether it's likely to affect the uk's relationship with the sign. but first the main contenders of for the us presidency, joe biden and donald trump have been. playing with each other over their support for israel, and latifchakra has been looking at the pair, what the pair had to say about palestine and israel in their first televised presidential debate. the first televised us presidential debate this year between president joe biden and former president donald trump wouldn't have been complete without discussing the issue of palestine. however, despite tens of thousands of palestinians having been killed by the us funded zionist onslaut on since the 7th of

october last year, the subject was only briefly discussed and both candidates reaffirmed us support for israel. president biden pined the blame for the ongoing genocide of palestinians on hamas, saying that the group should be eliminated and that they cannot continue while at the same time proposing a sease fire deal with hamas. this contradiction was one of many indicators that the current us president's cognitive health is in decline with widespread speculation. that he may have dementia. president biden also boasts that the us had saved israel in the aftermath of the 7th of october and spoke about the huge support that his regime had given to the zionist entity. he was, however, attacked by donald trump, who said that israel should keep going until they, as he put it, finished the job. trump also used the word palestinian as a slur, saying that biden has become like very bad palestinian. trump's

anti-palestinian racism and fanatical support in for zionism is well-known. only recently he promised to a small group of predominantly jewish donors that he would crack down on pro-palestine protests on us college campuses if he were to win the next presidential election. trump also admitted that israel was losing the pr war with its ongoing genocide in ghazza, but said that the zionists had to finish what they started. national polling of within the united states shows that both biden and trump are widely disliked, although most voters prefer trump, indicating that we could see the former us president return to the white house next january. trump described himself as the best friend that israel has ever had, and during his previous administration, he proposed an absurd so-called peace plan for palestine, which was led by his son-in-law, jared kishna. the plan involved part. canceling up internationally

recognized palestinian borders, which would have secured even further z, the annexation of palestinian land. trump also forged a close relationship with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu during that time, although the relationship between the pair has reportedly sowered since then after netanyahu praised biden for winning the election in 2020. whatever the outcome of the next us presidential election, it is clear that the us policy on. palestine is not going to get better and could get much worse. joining me in the studio, as usual is our resident expert an eminent scholarly critic of israel, david miller. david's a senior research fellow at the center of islam and global affairs, istanbul zaham university and he's a co-director of the lobby watch dog spinwatch. our next contributor today is karem ali. karim is an activist who coordinates with pro- palestine groups to develop innovative ways to campaign in the legal, political and creative spaces. welcome to the show. is it surprising to you that the

issue of palestine only featured for a couple of minutes on the debate stage? no, not at all, because most presidential candidates wouldn't even be able to point to palestine a map. they have no idea of the nuances involved, the history of the conflict uh or the history of the occupation there, rather they fall in line that the apec has suggested for them, and they follow that thought process, despite the inclinations of biden towards peace, through his verbage, it's clear, however through the billions of dollars funding and training provided design is... regime, not just from the biden presidency, but before that, even obama, bush before him, that we can even go back to bush senior, and even way to 1967, perhaps we see the deep, deep, intrinsic connection and satellite state status that designist regime

enjoys in the middle east at the behest of the american imperial empire. david, on one hand, biden spoke about proposals for a cease fire, but also said that hamers should be eliminated, what's he talking about? well, the difficulty with anything that joe biden says is that you never know quite what's going on, you never know if his his illness, his his advancing senility, whatever is cause of his inability to function as an ordinary human being, but on the other other hand, obviously this is a contradiction, mean the the whole idea of a peace settlement is the it leaves uh the military forces of casan brigades of ham. and of pij and the other six or seven other factions intact and you have a settlement where there's a release on both sides and of course that means the failure of the war aims of the zianis which is to destroy h so you can't you can't have both the things at the same time but on the other

hand sort of third way of looking at is to say look designers are not sensible and they're not really trying to get a proper because they've got the pressure on them from the right so he's probably just expressing the actually underlying sentiments of the scientists. yes, yes, indeed. well karam, why do you think the ceasefire efforts from the united states have have been a complete failure up until now? because there is no seasfire that is being promised by the us, empty words of rhetoric that offered to his base, to biden's base, and also as sound bites offer to left leaning liberal media who are satisfied with the with just the lif service. seasfire, the us has no real way of punishing or reprimanding the zinust regime or even forcing it to deescalate it's uh it's offensive, it continues to give money an arms, it continues to be swade by designs lobby in the us, and the only thing that

biden is clear on is what his red lines are, although it has to be shown to be a complete false as biden is probably color blind by this. because he can't even recognize these red lines that he's painting, well david, trump called biden a bad palestinian and nobody pushed back against that, mean what do you think that says about public discourse in the united states? well mean public discourse in the us just like it in in the uk is fundamentally and deeply deeply racist and of course the idea of palestinian like it's like a bad muslim isn't it? but people i don't think i've heard the phrase bad palestinian but that's you sort of joined infamy in the right? the the idea of the bad m so yeah, mean they're not going to push back because no one recognizes antian racism as a form of racism even, mean just about islamophobia, but hardly anyone in the mainstream recognizes antian racism, they simply can't see it, they karam, current polling suges that donald trump's going to be elected as

the next us president in november, how do you think that that would affect us policy on palestine? donald trump will have much stronger position in this? in this regard, he is ardent zionist, he is surrounded by zionists, jared krishna, one of his family members, not by blood, is also ardent zionist and one of his key advisors, in fact he was the primary author, architect if you like of the abraham accords. donald trump is not interested in the day-to-day running of the united states imperial empire and would rather give off such responsibilities to advisor. around him that he will no doubt fill with antical ziomist. this is true for every us president when barack obama filled in the shoes of george bush jr. there was still dennis ross, there was still brizinski, there was still robert gates and this goes to show that whichever face there is of the us

imperial empire, the aims, the objectives, the goals of that empire remain the same, but david, i mean trump doesn't seem to... gets along with - does he? mean, do you think that could mark a shift in the sort of dynamic attor? well, mean the the big hope of the people on the right who support trump who are kind of. design is that he will be uh isolation, he will do the make america again, that he will dump the israelis of course that's not going to happen, didn't happen last time, what happened this time, but it's not about whether he likes netanhu or not, mean he doesn't, mean briden doesn't like netanjahu, but they still of course do what the zin is say, i don't suppose that there's many people, perhaps trump's an exception in the us elite who think that ben gavier is nice chap either, but they're going what they're going to do is they're going to go along because that's their their commitment is to go along with the zionists and so the... different sorts of politics on this, but it's very clear that trump, whatever his isolationist sort of uh pronouncements will

go along and will be be ultrazionis and his uh governance and the zionist lobby of course in the states are very influential aren't the you know with ap and the like and indeed trump sort of plays didn't he to that to that zionist sort of cohort in the elector well on one hand yes of course enforces uh on on candidates uh for congress um that they should be pro israel and anyone who's not pro israel organized against them and they threaten, they intimidate and they buil and they code and that's very effective, but of course the israel lobby as it's called is something which is much more effective than perhaps people wise, because it's not just about apac, there are perhaps six or seven billion dollars a year being spent by the lobby, and of course they're all seaded through the defense and the security establishment, which means that they have uh additional people inside the the administration and inside the civil service the us who can take this things which are prozionists when they're approached by sure, well, we're going to move to our next report, which examines how the issue of palestine

affected the outcome of the british general election. the uk general election on july the 4th marked the end of 14 years of conservative party rule, and a super majority in parliament for cerkir starmer's labor party, but the huge increase in labor's seats did not correspond with major increase in the labor vote, with hundred thousands of voters preferring pro- palestine candidate. standing either independence or with smaller political parties. the labour party on the starmer's rule has seen a perd of pro- palestine activists and officials and an overwhelming support for israel and its state ideology of zionism. for decades, muslims have been strong backers of the labor party, but for many in the uk's muslim community, the support that labor showed for israel after the 7th of october last year, was the final straw. there are. in many quarters to build a political movement that could damage labor and raise the issue of palestine, however,

the former prime minister risun surprised everyone by calling an election sooner than expected, the campaign against labor was disorganized, and in some cases multiple pro-palestine candidates stood for the same seat, splitting the vote and handing labor victories, but the efforts were not all in vain, a record breaking number of independence in minor party... candidates were elected in numbers that are higher than any previous general election. the five independent candidates who were elected in formally labor seats all stood on pro- palestine tickets. the biggest scalp of the night was labor's shadow work and pension secretary jonathan ashwer who lost the shotcut adam by 979 votes. the former labor leader jeremy corbin who was expelled from labor also won his seat back with nearly 50% the... the labor vote was down average by 23 points in seats where 20% or more of the

population identify as muslim and the seats pro-palestine candidates came a close second in illford north the current health secretary was treating only one by 528 votes against palestinian activist lean mohamed. in his first few days in office starmer has attempted to shore up his fragile position in a phone call with benjamin. yahu, he urged for seasefy in gaza and said that palestinians had undeniable right to statehood, but britain continues to supply the zinist regime with arms and the new prime minister intends to delay recognition of palestine to maintain relations with united states. despite gaining a large majority, starmer's electoral standing is weak, and much of that is because of the pro-palestine vote in britain. it is not yet clear whether his superficial. against designers offensive will be enough to hoodwink labor's former support base to return to the party. karim,

this wasn't the win for kier starmer that it's been made out to be, was it? actually, if you look at the voting statistics, jerry corbin, one more of the popular vote in 2017 and 2019, he know only one, or rather shall i say, sir kid starver. won so many seats because of huge collapse in the conservative party vote, he benefited from that, so did the liberal democrats, it's a very weak foundation for majority government, and it means he'll be very vulnerable in future by elections, local council election. and also perhaps the next general election, the issue of palestine will continue to haunt him if it isn't causing him issues at night already, and if it isn't that surely the protesters outside downing street that are there a weekly or monthly basis will certainly remind him of that case. david, to what extent do you think the the issue of palestine cause

labor's vote across the country to fall so much? mean compared to 2017 the vote was a... million lower and compared to 2019 it was over 600,00 votes lower and 2019 we were told was the worst result in labor system certainly since 1935 anyway and yet it's being paraded as this is wonderful triamp what's what's going on do you think well mean clearly the uh the the reputation of the party a number of different policies is not good um and so that will be have affected the the enthusiasm of people to go out. vote and clearly also the votes for reform uh to the right of the conservative party will have taken votes from the tories and given them uh more seats obviously the the whole question gaza and palestine was extremely uh influential in election we saw that the five seats one by the independence and if they hadn't been split voted in the other constituenties generally agreed it would probably have been about 10 uh mps and and

that that's an indication also let of course remember the greens uh who uh increase their their share the vote and uh uh went from one to four seats, again to a large extent that's a pro- palestine uh protest for even though the greens have questionable policies and the question so this is a very significant shock across the it's never happened before that you've had five dependence elected like this so it's a very very significant uh breach in the way the sort of carapis of the first past the post system which protects the the system of so call democracy from actual popular pressure sure well karem mean we heard in the report there? that in some cases there were multiple pro-palestine candidates, mean david just referred to that standing in in the same seat, what's your take on how that affected the campaign against labor? i believe it added to the confusion on election day as the electorate who wanted an alternative to the establishment looked towards the independence and realized that they had three, if not more

independence to choose from, and they went with who they preferred the most or in... rather looked at them, thought that they had little to know credibility and decided to go with a traditional safer option, thinking that they would be in a stronger position of power, be able to represent their grievances, their opinions and their views with respect to gaza. well, david, i mean, despite some of the disappointments, i mean, we still saw some historic wins, i mean, you were touching, w wins for independent pro- palestine candidates, i mean, just expand a little bit of what you were saying previously, because i mean that was, that was a... important step forward wasn't i think i mean this is this is dramatic change i remember mean i'm from scotland right so was in scotland in 2003 when the parliament elections with a with a proportional system very poor proportional system but proportional uh where we elected 10 more than 10% of the parliament was socialistts or greens six socialists and seven greens and that was huge breakthrough now we didn't ever think that we could get a break through like

that in the first part of the pool system because it's it's designed to avoid that kind of thing but we got five uh seats uh would have been more if there hadn't been split votes which which is you know which is a problem for for the left and organizing the should have not been split votes, but th these that's actually a dramatic breath, and of course we'll see how how that that develops, because let's remember that the majorities that some of the labor mps now have are very very marginal, and if what happens in the future is that things change on the right then we could see a further breakthroughs in in in future elections, bi-election context, so it's very significant, we've seen a lot of really very interesting candidates come through some of the... are better than others and some of them are more naive than others, some of them are better on palestine than others, but but we've seen for example jody mackintine in birmingham, clearly fantastic candidate uh, yourself of course, chris in darby, craig murray, you cruely denied because of a split vote in blackburn, he very, very good campaign, and others including people who were not part of the workers party, navid kalim in stoke central a very good campaign,

and so what we see is new generation of of politicians coming through, in particular muslim politicians and the and the question of... muslim community finding its political voice and and seeing the if acts together it can make a difference, that's really important, no indeed, well karem, mean the labour party seems to have lost a large percentage of the of the muslim votes as as we just been hearing from david there, mean how will that affect the party do you think going forward? i think it will cause labor massive damage in the future, they will become unpopular government and they will lose support up and down the country, the small minority of muslim voters that they do... you have are here today and possibly gone tomorrow when they see that they have when they gain the experience from them in government that they are not looking after the that they are not looking after. their interests and that they campaigned on empty rhetoric of seasfires and how they and and how voters were tricked into voting for labor party that is in favor of such peace and

really as we mentioned earlier it is just lip service. kas sama has done nothing while he is leader of opposition to prevent the loss of life of a single palestinian and there's nothing to suggest that while he is in number 10 that he is also going to give as much gusto or if not more towards the prevention of uh further loss of innocent life. david, i mean, our report uh there said that that mentioned the need for a cease fire in his his phone call with benjamin netanyahu. i mean, some people are hoping that it'l surprise everyone and doctor, a pro- palestine stance. i've got to say i'm fairly skeptical about that, but what's your thoughts? is there any prospect of that? if it's possible, i'm more skeptical than you about that. i mean, i mean, i remember what happened when blair came in and people saying before blair was elected. 1997 with hisland litter, he was only pretending, only pretending to be you know conservative and he would really you, this radicalism would show through, did it? no, of course it didn't, he he invaded iraq, killed a million people, and

we remember what happened then, the same will happen with starmar, star was making these sort of positive noises, he's appointed as the attorney general uh, this guy who who signed letter calling for the rule of law who believes that the west bank shouldn't be occupied, but he's a card carrying zionist, he said, he he comes from a blue blue box. family he says and of course what that means is that in his his childhood home there was a blue box for the jewish national fund to collect money to ethnically cleanse palestinians. this is not the sign of a government that's going to be a pro- palestinian every single of the key uh secretaries of state in his new cabinet are card carrying paids. there's no way that that's going to go in the least bit against the interest of zionism all the way through this government. no indeed. well i'm afraid that's all we've got time for today so i'd like to thank our guest. and of course our resident expert professor david miller, remember you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates, and of course our entire back catalogue is now available and rumble as

well, and don't forget to share today's program on your social media platforms to help us continue expanding our audience, so until next time when i hope you're join us again on palestine classified, this is chris williamson, saying bye for now. this week on expos a, we exposed the laughable coverage of the iranian presidential elections by western media, which seemed more like echo chamber for pentagon talking points. the usual suspects were giving the spotlight, hurling unfounded accusations against the islamic republic, showcasing a clear agenda of spite. predictably, western digital media klung to their tired narrative, expressing concern that iran's foreign policy towards design is... entity would remain unchanged with the new president, what a shocker? no, now iranian social media lit up with support for the elections, but voters in several western countries faced harassment

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first of headlines of 90 palestinians have been killed in an israeli strike under refugee camp in the gaza strip as overall death bull shores past 38,400. palestinian resistance movements condem the dubly strike and refugee camp, that's a sign of israel's disregard for all international norms and covenants. and new report has indicated that the months long genocidal war in gaza has severely impacted the israely economy.