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hello, i'm chris williamson and you're watching palestine declassified, broadcasting twice a week, we're the only tv show that's of dedicated to investigating and exposing the israeli regime's global war against solidarity with illegally occupied people of palestine. in the first part of today's show we'll be taking a look at the us presidential

race and what it might mean in terms of the united states future policy towards palestine and israel. in the second part, we'll be evaluating the out of the british general election and whether it's likely to affect the uk's relationship with the zeinist entity. but first, the main contenders for the u.s. presidency, joe biden and donald of trump have been vying with each other over their support for israel. and has been looking at the pair what the pair had to say about palestine and israel in their first televised presidential debate. the first televised. the us presidential debate this year between president joe biden and former president donald trump wouldn't have been complete without discussing the issue of palestine. however, despite tens of thousands of palestinians having been killed by the us funded simon razza since the 7th of october last year. the subject was only briefly discussed and candidates refirmed us support for israel. president biden pined the blame for the ongoing genocide of palestinians on hamas saying the group. group should be

eliminated and that they cannot continue while at the same time proposing a ceasefire deal with hamas. this contradiction was one of many indicators that the current us president's cognitive health is... in decline with wide-spread speculation that he may have dementia. president biden also boasts the us had saved israel in the aftermath of the 7th of october and spoke about the huge support that his regime had given to the zionist entity. he was however attacked by donald trump who said that israel should keep going until they, as he put it, finished the job. trump use the word palestinian as a slur, saying that biden had become like very bad palestinian. trump's anti-palestinian racism and fanatical support for zionism is well-known. only recently he promised to a small group of predominantly jewish donors that he would crack down on pro-palestine protests on us college campuses if he were to win the next presidential election. trump

also admitted that israel was losing the pr war with its ongoing genocide in gaza, but said that the zionists had to finish what they started. national polling. within the united states shows that both biden and trump are widely disliked, although most voters prefer trump, indicating that we could see the former us president return to the white house next january. trump described himself as the best friend that israel has ever had, and during his previous administration, he proposed an absurd so-called peace plan for palestine, which was led by his son-in-law, jared krishna. the plan involved parcelling up internationally recognized. palestinian borders, which would have secured even further zinanist annexation of palestinian land. trump also forged a close relationship with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu during that time, although the relationship between the has reportedly stored since then after netanyahu praised

biden winning the election in 2020. whatever the out of the next us presidential election, it is clear that the us policy on palestine is not going to get better and could get more. much worse. joining me in the studio, usual, is our resident expert and eminent scholarly critic of israel, david miller. david is a senior research fellow at the center of islam and global affairs, istanbul zayim university and he's a co-director of the lobby and watch dog spinwatch. our guest contributor today is karen ali. is an activist who coordinates with pro-palestine groups to develop innovative ways to campaign in the legal, political and creative spaces. welcome to the show. is it surprising to you that the issue of palestine only featured for a couple of minutes on the debates? no, not at all, because most presidential candidates wouldn't even be able to point to palestine a map, they have no idea of the nuances involved, the history of the conflict, or the history of the occupation, rather they fall

in line that the apac has suggested for them, and they follow that for process, despite the inclinations of biden towards peace, through his... w uh it's however through the billions of dollars in funding and training uh provided to the designist regime not just from the biden presidency before even obama bush before him that we can even go back to bush senior and even way beyond to 1967 perhaps we can see uh the deep deep intrinsic connection and satellite state status that designers regime enjoys in the middle east at the behest of the american imperial empire. david, on the one hand, biden spoke about proposals for sease, but he also said that hamers should be eliminated. i mean, what's he talking about? well, the difficulty of anything that joe biden says is that you never know quite what's going on, you never know if his his illness, is his advancing sanity, whatever is the cause of his

inability to function as an ordinary human being, but on the other other hand, obviously this is a contradiction, i mean the the whole idea of peace settlement is is. leaves uh the military forces of cusim brigades of hamas and pij and the other six or seven other factions intact and you have a settlement with hostage release on both sides and of course that means the failure of the war aims the zianis which is to destroy her mass so you can't you can't have both the things at the same time but on the other hand in a sort of third way of looking at it to say look the designers are not sensible and they're not really trying to get a proper because they've got the pressure on the... from the right, so he's probably just expressing the actual underlying sentiments of the cionists. yes, yes, indeed. well, karen, why do you think the seasfire efforts from the united states have the complete failure up until now? because there is no seasfire that is being promised by the us are empty words of rhetoric that are offered to his base, to

biden's base, and also as sound bites offered to left leaning liberal media who are satisfied with the with just the... lit service of the seasfire, the us has no real way of punishing or repremanding the zine regime or even forcing it to deescalate it. offensive, it continues to give money in arms, it continues to swayed by designs lobby in the us, and the only thing that bidon is clear on is what his red lines are, although it has to be shown to be a complete falsood as biden is probably color blind by this point because he can't even recognize these red lines that he's painting. david, trump called biden a bad palestinian, and uh, nobody pushed back against that, what do you think that says about public? discourse the united states, well i mean public discourse in the us just like it is in in the uk is

fundamentally and deeply deeply racist and of course the the idea of bad palestinian it's like a bad islam isn't it but people don't think hard the phrase bad palestinian but that's you sort of joined infamy in the right demonology the idea of the b so yeah mean they're not going to push back because no one recognizes antian racism as a form of racism just about islamophobia but hardly anyone in the mainstream recognizes anti can't see it. that donald trump's going to be elected as the next us president in november, how do you think that that would affect us policy on palestine? donald trump will have much stronger position in this uh in this regard. he is an ardent zionist, he is surrounded by zionists. jared krishna, one of his family members, not by blood, is also an art designist and one of his key advisors, in fact he was the primary author of... architect if you like of the abraham accords. donald trump is not interested in day-to-day

running of the united states imperial empire and would rather give off such responsibilities to advisers around him that he will no doubt fill with fanatical zianis. this is true for every us president when barack obama filled in the shoes of george bush junior, there was still dennis ross, there was still brizinski, there was still robert gates and suppos to show that whichever face there is off the us imperial empire, the aims, the objectives, the goals of that empire remain the same, but david, i mean, trump doesn't seem to get along with netanyahu, does he, do you think that could mark a shift in the sort of dynamic at all? well, i mean, the big hope of the people on the right, support trump who kind of antisignist is that he will be isolationist, he will do the make america greater. again that he will dump the israel, of course that's not going to happen, didn't happen last time, won't happen this time, but it's

not about whether he likes netanyahu or not, i mean he doesn't, i mean bryden doesn't like netan yahoo, but they still of course do wha say, i don't suppose that there's many people, perhaps trump's an exception in the italy who think that ben gavier is nice either, but you they're what they're going to do is they're going to go along because that's their their commitment is to go along with the zionists and so they they have different sorts of politics on this, but it's very clear that trump whatever his isolation is sort of a pronounced. will go along and will be be ultra zionist in his uh governance and the zionist lobby of course in this very influential on you with ap and the like and indeed trump sort of plays doesn't he to that to that zionist sort of cohort in the elector well on one hand apac yes of course in forces uh on on candidates for congress um that they should be pro israel and that anyone who's not pro israel will alway threat and the intimidating that's very effective but of course the israel lobby as it's called is something which is much more effective than perhaps people realize, because it's not just about ap, there are perhaps six or seven

billion dollars a year being spent by the wobby, and of course they're all seated through the defense and the security establishment, which means that they have additional people inside the the administration and inside the civil service the us who can take decisions which are when they're approached by by sians lobbis, well we're going to move to our next report which examines how the issue of palestine affected the outcome of british general election. the uk general election on july the 4th marked the end of 14 years of conservative party rule and a super majority in parliament for sir starmer's labor party, but the huge increase in labor's seats did not correspond with the major increase in the labor vote with hundreds of thousands of voters preferring pro- palestine candidates standing either independence or smaller political parties. the labour party understamer's rule has seen a parge of pro'. palestine activists and officials and an overwhelming support for israel and its state ideology of zionism. for

decades, muslims have been strong backers off the labor party, but for many in the uk's muslim community, the support that labor showed for israel after the 7th of october last year, was the final straw. there were calls in many quarters to build a political movement that could damage labor and raise the issue of palestine. however, the former prime minister risun surprised everyone. calling an election sooner than expected, the campaign against labor was disorganized, and in some cases multiple pro-palestine candidates stood for the same seat, splitting the vote and handing labor victory. but the efforts were not all in vain. a record breaking number of independence and minor party candidates were elected in numbers that are higher than in any previous general election. the five independent candidates who were elected in formally labor seats all stood on pro- palestine tickets. the biggest scalp of the night was labor shadow work and pension secretary jonathan ashwer who lost

the shocket adam by 979 votes. the former labor leader jeremy corbin expelled from labor also won his seat back with nearly 50% the vote. the labor vote was down average by 23 points in seats where 20% or more of the population identify as muslim, and in other seats pro palestine candidates came a close second. in ilford north, the current health secretary was streating only won by 528 votes against palestinian activist lean mohammed. in his first few days in office, starmer has attempted. to shore up his fragile position. in a phone call with benjamin netanyahu, he urged for ceasefy in gaza and said that palestinians had undeniable right to statood, but britain continues to supply the zinist regime with arms and the new prime minister intends to delay recognition of palestine to maintain relations with united states. despite gaining a large majority, starm's

electoral sanding is weak, and much of that is because of the pro palestine vote in britain. it is not. clear whether his superficial signals against design offensive will be enough to hoodweek labor's former support base to return to the party. karim, this wasn't the win for kier star that it's been made out, he was it? actually, if you look at the voting statistics, jorry corbin, one more of the popular vote in 2017 and 2019, he know, or rather shall i say, sir kid starver. only one so many seats because of huge collapse in the conservative party vote, he benefited from that, so did liberal democrats, is very weak foundation for majority government, and it means be very vulnerable in future bi-elections uh, local council elections and also perhaps the next general election, the israel palestine will continue to haunt him if it isn't causing him issues at night already, and if it isn't then shortly the protest is outside downing street

that are there a weekly or monthly basis will certainly remind them of that case. david, to what extent you think the the issue of palestine cause labor's vote across the country to fall so much, i mean compared to 2017 the vote was over 3 million lower and compared to 2019 it was over 600 thousand votes lower and 2019 we were told was the worst result in labor's history certainly since 1935 anyway and yet it's being paraded as is this this wonderful tri for kira star what's what's going on do you think well i mean? the uh the the reputation of the party a number of different policies is not good um and so that will be affected the the enthusiasm of people to go out and vote and clearly also the votes for reform uh on the right of the conservative party will have taken votes from the toy given them labor more seats but obviously the the whole question of gaza and palestine was extremely uh influential in the election we saw the the

five seats one by the independence if there hadn't been split votes in the other constitutes generally agreed it would probably been about 10 uh mps and that that's an indication also let's of course remember the greens uh who uh increased their their share of vote and uh went from one to four seats again to a large extent that's a pro- palestine uh protest for even greens have questionable policies and the question so this is a very significant shot across the it's never happened before that you've had five independents elected like this so it's a very very significant uh breach in the the way the sort of carapace of the first pass the system which protects. the the system of so-called democracy from actual popular pressure, well karem, mean we heard in the report there didn't we that in some cases there were multiple pro- palestine candidates, mean davis just referred to that standing in the same seat, mean what's your take on how that affected the campaign against labor? i believe it added to the confusion on election day as the electorate who wanted an alternative to the

establishment looked towards the independence and realized that they had three, if not more... independence to choose from, and they went with who they preferred the most, or indeed rather looked at them, thought that they had little to no credibility and decided to go with a traditional safer option, thinking that they will be in a stronger position of power to be able to represent their grievances, their opinions and their views with respect to gaza. david, i mean, despite some of the disappointments, i mean we still saw some historic wins, i mean you were touchings for independent pro. palestine candidates, mean uh, just expand a little bit of what you were saying previously because mean that was that was a important step forward wasn't it i think this is this is dramatic change i remember mean i'm from scotland right so was in scotland in 2003 with scotish parliament elections. with a with a proportional system, very poor proportional system, but proportional uh where we elected 10, more than 10% of the parliament was socialist green, six socialists and seven greens, that was huge

breakthrough, now we didn't ever think that we could get break through like that in the first part of the post system because it's it's designed to avoid that kind of thing, but we got five uh seats uh there would have been more if they had split votes which which is you know which is a problem for for the left moc they should have not been split but th these that's actually dramatic breakthrough and of course we'll see how how that that develops, because let's remember that the majorities that some of the labor mps now are very very marginal and if what happens in the future is that uh things change on the right th we could see uh further breakthroughs in in in future elections certainly bi-election context so it's very significant we've seen a lot of really very interesting candidates come through some of them are better than others and some of them are more naive than others some of them are better on palestine than others but but we've seen for example jody mcintire in birmingham clearly fantastic candidate uh yourself of course, chris, craig murly denied because of a split vote in blackb, he run very, very good campaign, anothers including people were not part of the workers party, and very good campaign,

but so what we see is new generation of politicians coming through and in particular of muslim politicians and the and the question of the muslim community finding its political voice and and seeing the effect together it can make a difference, that's really important, no indeed, well karem, mean the the labour party seems to have lost a lot. percentage of the of the muslim votes as we've just been hearing from david there, how will that affect the party do you think going forward? i think it will cause labor massive damage in the future, they will become unpopular in government and they will lose support up and down the country. the small minority of muslim voters that they do have are here today and possibly gone tomorrow when they see that they have they gain the experience from them in government that they are not looking after their... that that they're noting after their interests and that they campaigned on empty rhetoric of sea fire and how they and and how voters are tricked into voting for a little party that is in

favor of such peace and really as we mentioned earlier it is just lip service keystama has done nothing while his leader of opposition to prevent the loss of life of a single palestinian and there's nothing to suggest that while he is in number 10 that he is also going to give as much gusto or if not more than towards the prevention of uh further loss of innocent life, well david, i mean, our report there said that starman mentioned the need for sefy in his phone call with benjamin netanyahu, i mean some people are hoping they'll surprise everyone and adopt a pro- palestine stance, i've got to say i'm fairly skeptical about that, what's your thoughts, is any prospect if it's possible, i'm more critical than you about that, i mean i remember what happened when blair came in and people saying before blair was elected in 1990. with this last lter, he was only pretending, only pretending to be, conservative, and it would really radicalism would show through, did it, no, of course it, he invaded irak, killed a million people, and

we remember what happened then, the same will happen, making these sort of positive noises, he's appointed as the attorney general, this guy who who signed letter calling for the rule of law, believes that the west bank should occupied, but he's a card cat, he's ionist, he's said as much, he he comes from the blue blue box family, he says, and of course what that means? is that in his his childhood home there was a blue box for the jewish national fun to collect money to ethnically cleanse the palestinians, this is not the sign of a government that's going to be a pro-palestinian, every single of the key uh secretaries of state in his new cabinet are card carried up zianis, there's no way that anything is going to go in the least bit against interest of zionism all the way through this government, no indeed, well i'm afraid that's all we've got time for today, so i'd like to thank our guest karim ali and of course our resident expert professor david. remember you can follow the show on facebook, twitter and telegram where we post regular clips and updates and of course our entire back catalog is now available on rumble as well and don't forget to share today's program on your social media

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