see this is like bricks against the g7 uh western europe as well, so this is where we're going to see things getting rough in here, and this is why the resistance supported by iran have to show their muscles, and the chinese and the russians as well have to spibin, as my friends said, it cannot be the region left in the same chaos, it is the of palestinian paying heavy price for the the... few thousand fighters in there trying to defend over 2.4 million palestinians whose two nearly 10% of them been killed yet and if this is prolongeng anymore than this a couple of months more every day you see this to kill around 150 uh palestinians and injuring thousands and most of these kids so destroying gaza to that limit like a grinding machine and a razor machine want to shift them out of palastan have. to be stopped

right now and this is now falls in the of resistance block and china and russia. thank you for joining us, mr. saib shath, we're going to uh let you go and that was more than a pleasure to have you on uh for the last half an hour or so of your time, appreciate it. mr. saib shath author and middle east affairs expert joining us out of uh belfast there, and mr. jim kavana, i'm going to come back to you now uh, mr. saib shad says something very interesting there, he said now is the time that resistance. must show their their muscles, yet and really uh the israeli regime has put resistance in that position where now it has to give a pretty heavy-handed response to what it's done, but many also are saying that that's exactly what the zionist regime once that uh a strong resistance response is going to play right into the zianis playbook and you very well know what i mean, lot of people saying the reason that netanyahu hasn't accepted a gaza cease fire is because he wants... to see his

allies help expand this into a regional conflict, yeah, look, that's absolutely right, this is the pry that is this my something, this my ring here, no, no, go ahead, yeah, it's - i'm sorry, this is the quandry that they put the resistance in, as i said, "if the resistance doesn't fight back strongly now, israel is being given the green life, they're going to take it, they're going to, israel has to be hurt somehow, they have to know that there's certain things they can't do without getting seriously hurt, and it is very, very difficult, because they want that war with iran and they know they can't win it by themselves, well the united states is going to have to come in, they want that to happen, they're preparing for. for 15

years, you trying to get the united states involved with them in a war against iran, and because they think that iran is ultimate devil behind the resistance, and if they get rid of iran, and they thought they get rid of iraq, and they get rid of libya, and they get rid of syria, and they get rid of iran, then the resistance will go away, you know, and this is, this is their attitude, so they want this to happen, and they think they're in the catbird seat, and to a certain extent they are, because they will nuke iran, and that that may not save them, but they think it will, and it will it will be a immensely destructive. the only way that can be avoided, i think again, is if other world powers step in and put themselves between the palestinian resistance and iran and israel and the united states and say, we have the sanction of the international criminal uh, the icj, israel is engaging in genocidal appart behavior, we're going to come in, gaza has to end, the gaza genocide has to end, we're going to come in, not to attack israel,

we're going to come in to put it into what's going on in gaza, rebuild gaza, bring humanitarian aid into gaza, if you want to fight us on that, then you're fighting us on the humanitarian against humanitarian aid, and that takes the takes the heat off iran and hezballah, so that's the on, but it has to be a coalition of nations that includes of countries like strong military powers like russia and china, and it has to... include somebody, some elements of the region like turkey and some brave egypt should be, this is the problem, i don't necessarily see that happening, because unfortunately for most of the world, the palestinian people just aren't that important to take the chance on it, because israel will attack just about any country that gets involved, it has to be a coalition that they can't really, and the americans that's standing up to israel and america, and they could do it, they could do it on on humanitarian grounds. "israel has no

right to be destroying gaza, we're going to go and stop that, you know, so that's, but i don't know, i, i, i don't see, i'm very afraid it's going to be a regional war that's going to, put the..." region at least the region into flames and if russia and china stop it, russia intervenes then after there's an attack after this attack on iran, after there's a nuclear weapon used against iran, well that's nice, but it's a little too late, somebody has to intervene now, somebody should have intervened some time in the last 10 months and someone should intervene now before this starts, but i'm not very happy about it, and you know from the point of view the resistance, sometimes war is necessary, i mean that's what hamas said in. october 7th, you know, sometimes attack is necessary to get things, so this is the situation, the resistance is is in now, and it's extremely dangerous and extremely difficult, and i like to also welcome now uh tony goling to the conversation investigative journalist joining us out of uh uh brissel, now we have also mr.

jim kavanaw from new york and joining us now is tony golsing, um for viewers that are just joining us, this is extensive coverage and rolling uh conversation on the martterdom of ismaal hania, the uh political bureau chief the hamos resistance uh movement, he was in tehran for the inauguration of the new iranian president massud pishan uh preparing to uh prob possibly go back to qatar where uh he was um martered july 31st in the morning and that was just hours uh after the uh israelies attacked a southern bayrut suburb in lebanon uh also killing assassinating hezbulah commander top commander at that f uh shukur joining us, i'm going to swing over to mr. tony gosling, welcome to to the talk here, tony, hope you're safe and doing well out there in brissel, now really quick tony uh, ismael uh honey, regardless of what corporate media in the west tries to portray him as, i mean he gave his life for his uh

for his for his people, he fought for the preservation of their land, their identity and their future for that, and i said he gave his life for yet time and again... the west plays into netanyahu's uh narrative that iran and hamas pose an existential threat to israel. your initial thoughts? well there if there was an all-out war they certainly would and that's what netanyahu is trying to provoke i think here but you picked up on you know he's normally over in qatar and this is not first time he's been out of qatar, it's not the first time he's been in tehran uh so why this time uh? "i think we need to ask that question, obviously it's a it's it's frightening here in britain lit literally listening to the british media commentating on this, particularly the bbc uh the bbc decided uh to describe the attack tonight as

an audacious attack, audacious attack, now this is a potential, well it is a it's it's a um attempt to start a war uh, it's uh..." an act of war, most definitely an act of war between um by israel uh, by the leaders of israel on - on um uh obviously on both on the the garsen so they're already at war with massacring uh and and and tehran uh but but i mean this is i think is so important to understand i mean the bbc using this word audacious what does that word mean let's go into the dictionary you'll find that it means brave and it means is inventive? well, it's neither of those two things, it's cowardly, it's extremely cowardly uh to use missiles for this sort of job uh, if there was somebody who was um actually confronting him uh and the old fashion way a duel or something like that then that would uh that

would be brave, you could say, of course it's not, but you could use that term, the bbc are what they're trying to do here is quietly pat israel on the bank and... admire what they're doing, so this is the way that this kind of thing is being spun in this part of the world, and it's not inventive either, it's it's both cowardly and it's exactly the same sort of thing that the israelis have been doing for many, many years and cowards across history, for example uh the israeli invention the letter bomb uh the israeli invention of the car bomb, so this is something the israelis of it's nothing really new here going on at all if you see it that way. and particularly for for for targeting ismail hanhir, i mean he is moderate, it's seen as a moderate uh, by targeting him, the what the israelis have done is sent sent a message really uh to the new president, of course this is uh also uh aimed at the new president

in iran, this is like saying, well welcome to uh uh the middle east new president of iran uh and there are many suspicions that the helicopter crash that caused the election of a new president and the death of the old president, that that may have been instigated by foreign forces, maybe the israelis, maybe someone else, but there are still questions about that, i know that... 'it's not necessarily something that everyone wants to raise, but i will raise it right now, and uh, so this is the sort of thing, this what what we're looking at here, i think we have to see it in its context, it's a decapitation strategy by the israelis - and that is really a strategy of chaos, the idea is uh that whilst you're negotiating uh as they were with ismael han uh the israeli secret services and the israeli diplomats negotiated'. a peace settlement uh for the massacre going on still in gaza uh what

they're doing is just saying, well actually if you want to come and negotiate with us uh then we might just kill you instead, we might pick up gun in the negotiation office and shoot you in the head instead of negotiating, so you can't trust people like this, and if we go back to the 1940s and i've had several conversations over the years uh with british soldiers who were in the 1940s - over in israel serving in the british army uh and have been told very clearly uh by one of them how he was having to deal uh with trying to get arab uh israeli peace going in 1946-1947 obviously this was a massive problem because the israeli terrorists were killing many people the the the haganar uh the stern gang blowing british soldiers up blowing up arabs etc. and there was a real attempt by the british at that time at least in a lower level uh to to get peace negotiations going

between the two to say well hang a minute can the israelis can you please stop? well israel hadn't actually started yet, these were jewish terror gangs, at least they called themselves jewish terror gangs uh and can you please start negotiating? what what he explained to me bill who was actually there on the ground he's saying well every time we managed to get an um a person from the... community to stand up and start negotiating some peace agreement as soon as that person uh showed their face uh the uh israelis or the jewish side would or the zionists would murder them and this is the sort of thing that we're seeing this is why i say it's a decapitation strategy so as soon as anybody appears who is trying to bring about peace and try to negotiate with the israelis uh they're killed i mean this is the trouble. uh and you know you can't negotiate with people like this obviously what they're trying to do

uh the israelis and part of this tactic is to convince hezballah to convince the the iranian military um the uh the syrians as uh obviously too - all of the surrounding powers including of course by the way russia who's in that region what they're trying to convince them is there's no point in negotiating with israel israel will just fight now. "this is what is it, the law of the jungle, um, it's it is totally inhuman uh, it's about the survival of the powerful, and the message that they're sending out, which whatever they talk about you, reading the bible or whatever in the old testament, the torah, what they really saying is might is right. this is the opposite of this monotheistic faith that we've been living with now for many thousands of years in that region of the world is picked up here in..." europe obviously and in america after the colonization of america, these countries know

that the faith that they profess, whether it's islam, judaism or christianity, is the opposite of the might is right, current idf strategy, and so it's convincing me as well as many other people around the world observing this uh millions actually that the israelis have actually no legitimacy when it comes to judaism. and the faith they're uh that they're professing also we must also look at the timing of the trip from the united states uh buse netanyahu was over in the united states last week uh uh not only to um try and shooze congress but also to celebrate with his son uh down in florida have nice little birthday party you know all happy together in their little click uh but uh it seems quite clear to me that these uh decapitation that we've seen, the assassinations of the hezballah leader and

and also of the hamas leader, these are agreed over in the united states with, maybe biden is not even in the loop, i mean he's just kind of figure-head really, but certainly with the pentagon and with senior figures in the american military industrial complex, so i think the timing is really important, and i think we we all need to be, the whole world needs to be pointing their fingers at the united states. every every bit as much as they should be uh at at israel for these acts because these would not, mean we we all know the billions and billions of pounds, well they don't tell you here actually. in britain very few times does they mention this uh in the news media uh that that the united states finances israel so it's almost like the israeli state the zionist entity as many call it uh is really just a subsidiary company of the us plc uh and so that is why i think people need to

look at the united states they need to look at the timing of all these things but also uh i think in a way we need to you need to take a step back from the anger, because that's what the israelies are trying to provoke, and also to understand there's a very different approach uh by the idf and by the supporters in the anglo-zionist empire to human life. uh, look at this, this sort of attack a a leader, i would suggest that many of the persian and arab countries that are the indigenous people of the of the middle east, not the the migrants that were brought over uh, during and since... second world war to colonize israel uh, they have attitude that everyone is worthy of respect and is equal in their society, every life is just as valuable as every other, so the israelis by killing their leaders uh are really saying we don't agree, we think only the leaders are important, and maybe that is the case in the west, because the leaders are very fragile,

they're not supported by many of their populations, they're not popular either uh and uh and by ' saying that uh we're not going to necessarily retaliate what the persian and arab countries are doing is are saying, well, by killing a leader, what you're really doing is just the same as killing a maybe nurse, teacher in gaza on the front line, you're killing uh, maybe a frontline soldier, a gorilla fighter somewhere, and and someone who we've never heard of, so there is a complete imbalance in the way that these two sorts of society. see power and see humanity, they see themselves uh as the the powerful ones who are in charge, we are the leaders etc. and i think to be honest they fear uh that that somebody whether it's actually within their own ranks or from one of the foreign powers that they're in this conflict with uh that they will uh that they may themselves be targeted

and of course we would then see as in you know royalt in um monarchies like saudi arabia just how fragile uh some of these leadership structures can be uh, i don't think the same is true at all in countries like iran uh also in in some way like russia uh because or syria actually because there's a much more um should we say defense in debt so in other words there's lots of people in that leadership structure when one is killed someone else as has just happened in in iran will just simply step into their shoes and you're going to see very little or of no change in their policy, i think uh, it would be completely the opposite if it if it this sort of thing um that these assassinations have been taking place uh on western to to western leaders, i mean let's just imagine you, say when britain is negotiating uh to withdraw from the european union, and there's lots and lots of tension, if one of the uh eu people had picked up a gun and shot the

british chief british negotiator uh, obviously you cannot carry... uh uh negotiating that sort of situation, that doesn't mean to say that you have to retaliate in kind. i think this is one of the things that i like to see about the arab and persian world is just the extent to which they have absorbed these provocations. i think this is an extremely mature approach, it's not the sort of approach we've seen in in years gone by uh and not leaping to literally to to to jump to be provoked - to hit back so hard final point about um about uh saturday and the attack by hezbulah, apparently we're told in the western press that this is what the israelis say uh in the golan heights because this uh was spun very much in the west as something was done by hezballah and of course it's been used - in by netanyahu to try and say okay yeah well -

maybe we've got to have a war with uh with lebanon now he seems to want to have a war with everybody what needs to... happen is the world and i think through the security council needs to have a metaphorical war with netanyahu uh until he's behind bals that's what we need to see this man is a war criminal who's totally out of control and by the way uh up his back he's got about 200 or 250 nuclear weapons and he's heading what seems to be nuclear armed doomsday cult thank you tony and jim kavan thank you for your uh patience there but tony said something interesting i want to put to you uh jim he said uh israel is basically uh employing this decapitation uh strategy whenever anyone uh wants to engage with them uh diplomatically to negotiate with them. and it's funny because the palestinian un envoy at the security council just moments ago said the regime after she said the regime must be held accountable for this act of this act of terrorism that it just committed in beirot in

tehran and then also in syria and yemen earlier in the month um she said the um that violence and terror is israel's only currency it has no red lines it respects no laws uses no diplomacy or political channel. or compromise, and that exactly goes back to the heart of what tony was saying that it has this decapitation strategy, it employees instead of trying to talk things out. had saved hundreds of jews at least during. during the war and when he came to be mediator between the between the the designist militia and over the issue of what was going to happen after the british pulled

out, they zianist militia assassinated him and it was shamir who wrote a essay called terror justifying terrorism as part of the jewish, part of the jewish intrinsic part of the jewish strategy, so and that's what he called that was his words and his terminology. so this and every time uh you know some peace threat, the threat of peace comes up and there's someone out there who looks like they could be a negotiated for peace, the israelies try to get rid of them, look they just killed, you can't negotiate, how do you negotiate for peace with a partner who just killed your negotiator, who just killed the chief negotiator, they don't want to, they want capitulation, they want an end to the palestinian problem, which is the... the presence and existence of palestinians on the on the land of uh uh occupied palestine and that's what they're going for and they've they will eliminate precisely the people who

are the most likely to uh be able to achieve some what they claim to want, which is some kind what the west claims to want, which is some kind of two-state solution, some kind of peaceful coexistence among the palestinian arrabs and and signist jews, they don't want that, they want the palestinian arabs gone, and they play the game, and the united states is the is is the uh, the one who enables the game, and that keeps going, and it's going to keep going on, and uh, you know, it is nice that the arab and palestinian and iranian people are are strategic and they're able to be mature and they're not able to, they don't react impulsively, but there's only so... much you can absorb until you're defeated and that at some point you got to stop absorbing and make the other side absorb something and we have to that's what we've yet to see all

right thank you for joining us in this extended uh conversation jim we're going to let you go jim kavanaw there political analyst and blogger exhausting over half an hour plus with us want to thank you for that uh jim stay safe out there in new york mr kim javanaw uh kim pardon jim kavanaw blogger. polimisis.net uh, meanwhile, we're still on line with the mr. tony gozzing enviers that are joining us as extent a conversation, rolling coverage we have here on press tv uh with respect to the martterdom of ismael hunia, the chief of the political bureau of the hamos resistance movement to his martered assassinated at july 31st morning right here in the iranian capital, tehran, and just hours before that, faad shakur top hiz bullet commander was also slain in a southern beirot. in lebanese capital there um and we have mr. tony gossing on on the line uh tony when it comes to the state craft there are certain red lines, certain international laws

and norms, everyone expects, everyone abides by, there are certain destructive and inhumane and um a grossly not just violent but it illegal acts of especially in times of conflict, rules of engagement that that many ma and many don't abide by, but but but at least some they they... actually tiptoe around you very well know of the fine line between uh uh war crimes and they're not what i'm trying to say as blaming as the israeli regime with what they do having zero respect for international laws and norms a time when the regime is a 70 year old 70 years old and and striving so desperately for legitimacy as a state why not employ state uh statecraft respect some laws respect some norms you claim to be democracy you never have for five

with the russians and the hundreds of thousands of their young men that have been killed in that war uh, if it wasn't for the backing of the western powers, the anglo-sanist empire uh backing both of these wars uh and so in a way although we keep hearing about oh gosh you know this is a proxy war being waged by iran we do here anyway in the west uh but via syria via lebanon uh via iraq via all places i mean obviously uh via via um yemen too, we keep hearing that, but actually the reality of it is the war is being instigated through israel, which is a proxy for the western powers, for the anglo-ziist empire, and there's no way that netanyahu would have dared to do what he's done over the last couple of days with these decapitations and uh strategy uh, if it wasn't for uh backing from the united states, he will have got the nod in a wink from the us and possibly from

the brits too, well actually the brits do what the americans tell us to these days in almost every single way uh but and another thing is look look at how this assassination took place, it's quite clear that it's there is some uh pretty amazing intelligence work been going on here probably electronic surveillance, highly likely satellite surveillance uh and most probably using um using ismael hanyer's mobile phone that sort of thing may be that... some of his aids, bodyguards, people like that that may have been around him uh, and this electronic surveillance is likely to have played an important role in this, now obviously the the mossad, the israelis, they have been big on this for many years uh um and if you read the various um mossad books which are fantastic best sellers over the years uh to do with the mos, you'll find that even going back into

the 19 17 they were working with people like burros computers to have uh a massive massive screen on the wall where there was a little dot which would follow every palestine liberation organization representative or wherever they were they'd have a little picture of them because they knew uh where the which hotels they checked into this is the days before mobile phones and so they knew exactly where they all were and and when they all started coming together on the map the little dot. they knew oh, they're having a meeting, so this is how advanced uh the massad and the israeli secret services were even back in the 1970s and 80s, according to these various writers - who've written about um the their activities uh and so the united states has the guys with the satellites and with lots of intelligence, but the israelis are absolutely up for using that and utilizing it uh and what will be happening is there will be all these t'...