through. busy of that they should be honest, direct and impactful, and just by golly, is direct impact the all right, so here we go. the u. s. political season has begun the horse races on and here are the entrance. this is the 1st debate for those buying to become the next republican presidential candidate of the united states. and what did most of these tough guys spend their time doing? taking on china, of course, because according to them, see what according to them, once we separate ourselves from china and end our relationship with said country, all our problems will simply fade away. here's a taste, subsidizing china, china, china, china, china. but here's the memo. that every one of these political actors

apparently failed to read. there is no separating us from china, because our economies are debt our consumption base. there were workforce, our appetite for the technology that we need. all of these things are inexorably tied. in fact, if any one of these presidential aspirants that you are just seeing on the screen, i bothered to read the papers around the same time that they were doing this debate just opened up a newspaper. they want to see this check out this headlines, but of tesla relies on china for 40 percent of its batteries, supplies. and so let's just use this article as, as, as an example of the present us and china inter dependence. where 1st we learned that 40 percent of the company is the manufacturer, battery storage capabilities for tesla. our chinese. wow. cool, no, right. wait,

there's more 40 percent of the test. those aluminum smelters are also, chinese companies. 40 percent weight. there's more 33 percent of all of the test plus in organic chemical partners, chinese companies. and that's just tesla. we can probably go right down the list of all the us corporations. we could name many of whom are the owners of the same men and women now are running for president. and we would find out that the vast majority of those companies have financial ties in one way or another to china. now, does that mean that these politicians are taking money from people who are making money from china while they are also attacking china? mm. yeah, that's exactly what i me, i, by the way, with that make them hypocrites. you judge for yourself. so look.

politics is that the fact is that as much as china needs the us, especially because we buy everything they make, the u. s. needs china just as much. and here here is how that has actually come to be when our hinge met, one year ended and another began. a few hours later the president met with german mounts. i don't. the 79 year old leader was in frail health, but the lively, our long meeting included philosophy, history, and banter to the roots of the u. s. and chinese intern dependents can be traced back to president richard nixon's, landmark visit the beijing in 1972 who can forget that was around back then. it was a historic overture that in the fall relations between the 2 cold war adversaries.

and again, the dead kind of and the cold war between these 2. until now, let me see what's being said lately more on that later. so the nixon in china story set the stage for diplomatic ties, but see what it really did was lay the groundwork for an expanded economic relationship between these 2 countries that set that went something, something like this very from now on. chinese workers will make the stuff that we americans consume simple and here's how it happened. in the 19 seventy's 100 asian brain, china is reform and opening up a policies converted the country from a closed, centrally planned economy, right, to one that is now market oriented. so as china offered a mass of labor pool and lower production costs, american businesses said yeah, and they began shifting all of their manage all of their manufacturing over there

to, to china. can you say out sourcing? that's how it began. and really, it's never stopped. and yeah, it makes american workers angry, but it is what it is. us companies all got a competitive edge through cheaper production, while china benefited from for an investment, technological advances and job creation for their people. in fact, china benefit is so much that it ended up loading us money. i mean, amassing a significant amount of the us debt. in other words, try as we may or might to this day, we can't quit china. it's just like a line in the movie. we can't quote them because among other things, we owe too much money. so there's some risk symbiotic, economic relationship cemented by intertwined supply chains. profound bilateral

trade dynamics, political and economic ramifications, extending far beyond the respective borders of both countries, is now one that can not easily be taken apart. as many would try to suggest at least not without a lot of pain on both sides and especially in the american consumer and the tax payer. who benefits from this? see, that is the reality that you won't hear about off and on the news. and that you sell them here from this crowd. those have the rush you're trying to alliance is the single greatest threat we face. joining us now to talk about this is none other than those who rob goop dye. he's a senior asia pacific specialist based in washington dc, and to say that he knows china would be an understatement. so realty, how are you gonna be an issue? there is no one i thought of more recently than you. i was watching the g o. p debates and i was watching all of these guy,

just angry and explaining why the biggest problem in the united states and the world is china and what they're going to do to deal with that. of course they gave no concrete examples that no clarity of what they were going to do, but i don't know. did you get a chance to see that it was? it was like a bunch of a i didn't, i didn't get it. i didn't give a chance to see it and i was frankly not surprised of the all kind of beating up, but reading each of up and then trying to be returned on top of that. and i mean, this was just a prelude. we're going to see a lot more of this in the next 2 months. why, why, why, what, what, what is with the? if, if somehow, if i bashed china loud enough, more people will vote for me. are american up slightly with going ad altura is trying to show that they have formed policy. create that a lot of them. some of them do have foreign policy. great. others don't. and it's always good to have an enemy, someone who can beat up on someone the he is the although she is the other and

frame it that way. so you have a target, and it's always, once you have a target, it's fun talking practice. it's all based on this. i'm glad you said that because it was hailey nikki haley who turns in the middle of the debate to mimic rama swanny and says you have no foreign policy experience as if you had no right to be here on this stage after a key had said that we're actually making a mistake in our policies with both russia and china, because what we're doing, his words was bringing them together. and that's when she attacked them and says, your problem is, you have no foreign policy experience. maybe we need more people with less spark plugs, the inside, see what i taught at that point of time. let's let me give you. let me like to point out to you 1st. you healy is saying the exact things that list trusts in the united kingdom says and list trust was the sharpest united kingdom prime minister. and i think 300 years. i mean she,

she needs to figure that out. like she's her her day as possible. i the, i do all the do you want she thinks about in terms of international relations. it's oh, sorry, i mean, unfortunately she was born 30 is too what anyways, so that's one thing about what, what she, what she needs to understand now too. but you know, i, by the way, what you're saying with that is she thinks like a cold war hawk she thinks like, we're still in the 19 fifties and the shipping from on those terms. and then she, you know, then rigging came in the 1980s of them all inflict ideas on what reagan did. and so everybody wants to be your rigging. and everybody wants to be a catcher on the consumer side, on the republican side. and lets read it was my, the, his boss. and i mean donald trump's coming itself is a signature off that that did, has austin terms of where the republicans used to be on certain policies. and so they need to, to let me make up and move on. but also, you know, the 2nd point i'll make is, you know,

by didn't actually play the sub. but i think the republicans will be completely on board in terms of he has a stomach and can be able to play golf the koreans and the japanese together. and look at the types we are and leaking alliances, etc, etc. and you don't. ready use coming up is, uh, let's get north korea into our exercises. the russians are saying to the chinese, so you're going to be russian, upgrade china, south korea, japan, united states, how much fun is it going to be using this? the end to chamber, to one more one into your computer. and that's what good to have folks who don't have that much room because the experience, right? so so you think it's funny, what you just said about north korea using north korea is sun and it suddenly going to be and, and the reason i'm asking this question is this recently i've watched emerging between india saudi arabia, iran of some other south pacific countries russia, uh, parts of the middle east even is real,

is reaching out to these groups and creating a sort of a, a bastion of, of thought process. if not unity, at least. so it wouldn't surprise me tomorrow in this bizarre where we're living and to me or to most americans in north korea, jumped into the fray and said, you know, what was the president would want to do that. and others would not on well come back. because if the south koreans up thinking of assisting the united states in a, any time on straight contingency, maybe they might be kept a little busy on their border on this side by the north koreans and the russians. and i mean, that's what the japanese be to think about. they've had this kind of defense foster, which was moving away from the defense of northern japan from what was the soviets and the rushing to moving towards the southern japan. and just watch when, i mean, when the russians start putting a little pressure out there on the northern part. so you think maybe it wasn't such a good idea to get into a lot to try to defend sculpture. because we need to resolve on matters with the

russians, which i am going to be resolved for both and, and, and, and rather than and so say say that again, say that again that we, we have to resolve our issues with the rushes because they have the usually resolvable and, and i, and you and you, you became passionate when use of them. and what's the result of those? because you know, the previous one, the previous i was a long, long standing problem. this, the obvious, he was in long standing the negotiations with a, with mr. fulton and they did was to make progress in those negotiations. and what they're trying to essentially will call this is all they're not trying to work a weekly for one side of the day sheets of other sites because frankly, japan's a position with regard to word calls of northern territories and the curios there's actually a very, very weak one, legally, very weak one legally. there on the russian side, know that sovereignty essentially belongs to them, but they don't have the title in terms of the signature on the title document. and so they're willing to make compromises and concessions for walk around to find

a solution to that. and think about it for, for a, for country like japan, which feels threatened by china. would you not want to have a little more separation between china and russia in that case? but you know, they're all, let's get linked up and locked in with the us and try to whether the us wants to provide me with one fight, then i'm busy and bringing greater problems upon themselves. and that's the problem to, thanks so much to rob, stay right there. and we've got more questions for you. okay. by the way, i'd like to continue this conversation with you. what do you say we do some conversing on twitter. my handle is rick sanchez, tv. that's rick sanchez, tv. i'll be looking for you there. when we come back, what are the us leaders actually say publicly about china? the china would never say about us. how share some examples with you when we come back

the since 2016. numerous monuments to some of the of soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed. all vandalized fish this though, bye. certainly within. yeah. unless or even some others could. i ask if i really, so that's the most on whether it's expressed or almost 3 of the police government denies the rule of soviet sonya is in the victory of a naziism. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2 is the 40 piece. when you stutter, although it did seem the nose to a james, the trustees would remain things in people's consciousness forever. but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost yes. to, to use the, i'll provides for this, leaving a message. i need to see things because it looks like so i need october

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to professional, that video to you for the list of all of a huge would they use the hey, what about gum, rick sanchez. although the chinese government always takes a diplomatic path, it's part of their culture and their nature when it comes to the united states or talking about the united states, american leaders have taken almost pleasure in attacking china. i'll give you some examples. president barton recently accused the president of china for the j. he said, he said he's a dictator. strong words, not exactly diplomatic, right? president trump said the chinese thieves have stolen from the united states. and then there's hillary clinton, who said that china is

a doomed country. doomed. interesting word joyce insinuating, i guess it doesn't have much time left. me to edward backed out with that. so i've got, uh uh he is a senior asia pacific specialist and we're talking all things china, i don't know if you had a chance to see this report. so rob, i, i wish the guys had seen those who were in that g o. p debate because it came out just before they came on. and if they've read this report, maybe they would've re, saw their points about how we need to, i don't know, bomb china guild china and our relations with china, china, china, china, here it is. tesla is reporting 40 percent of its batteries, 40 percent of its aluminum manufacturing, 40 percent of 33 percent of all the chemicals they used to make their cars come from companies based in china. so the tesla, which is the car that all americans seem to want to drive these days and will be the car of the future. most of it is being made by companies in china. so that's

exactly the china inside has the most competitive e v market electric vehicle market in the world. and if a tesla gets this, that's if you want to be competitive in china, a competitor globally, you need to have a china strategy and compete and win and china. because if you win and china, you will win anywhere else and goes to the problem that comes to some of those inflation reduction. that subsidies which are, which was dividing is putting all failed to ease ease of cost, trying to, to invigorate the n e industrial to a battery sector cetera. and true, fair enough. i mean, you want to be a competitor in this place in the space. but before you are going to block chinese competition, all of which is the belt, most efficient come competitor out. you are going to create a marketplace which is not cutting edge. and if you're going to create a marketplace which is not cutting edge, you are not going to be able to compete in international markets. so you may not

have chinese production chinese cars in this market and you never know, even with all those the, the subsidies on the preferences given chinese caused might still be be competitive as selling a lot. and you're probably gone tilting in terms of ease. but anyway, the point being that if you want to be workflow, so you want to be work competitive, you need to compete with the best. and in doing, in the inflation reduction that ensures that you're not competing with the best, which will not make you the best and will not make you competitive at the end of the day. they're trying to throw manufacturing employment in michigan and other places, georgia, etc. but they're not trying to create and manufacturing competitiveness, which is what you should be aiming at long term, which is where china is going. and with tesla is going in terms of the, the sector. so it all sounds nice of this so much happening right in the space in the us. but mark my words, this, they will not be bored compared to if we go with the argument that look, china makes our stuff and they did it better than we could at cheaper. so that's

why americans, in many cases, lost some of their jobs because us manufacturers decided we're just going to let the chinese make our stuff walmart case study. right. and that's, that's really still going on, right? that really hasn't changed. jobs have not really come back to the jobs, have not come back to america. what. what, what has happened is america has maintained, it's become, is the hub of r n d. and it has just been kicked up and off of the value chain. and so, i mean, it is super innovative, it can be competitive, but much of the manufacturing happens as i think in terms actually the idea and such a thinking. so this is something conduct of the us. so i mean, dominant, do i mean the most muscular force in electronic design automation, in terms of how you do something, conductor design in terms of innovation, new techniques, in terms of sending 100 of manufacturing tools. but what is kind of deemed to be more blue color,

it's not really blue color blue color because it's such sophisticated production is produced elsewhere. and right. i mean in terms of it happening, it's all right, so yeah, and, and, and so, and, and so i want to know there is a point to bring some all set back because you need a basic fabrication capacity in this country you can be 0, but so there is a certain logic to get even some production back out to you. but the point is you have to compete by trying to buy, buy, buy, be going up the value chain and trying to be much as competitive. and that's based on the huge, enormous profit to begin us get a apple what the sort of the value added in terms of as i phone comes from and much of it comes from non issue sources because less but much of the value is created. and that is where you have a bell. let me let, let me, let me check. let me push back as an american on this. okay, and i'm going to now agree with some of these guys who are the big blow hards on the g o. p. debate, i get the resentment i, we one, once it right,

we were the big fish, right? united states of america. and there is an argument to be made. i believe. so rob, you're the expert that the united states came up with this idea of high tech, and much of the stuff that china now excels in. originally came from here, and we shared it with them. and they took it over and they've kind of kicked our butts with it and in many ways maybe even manipulated their way into getting good at it. and that's why americans, at least are american leaders feel like, you know, what we, we, we, we, we held out i had, we gave you everything we had and you've taken and now you're beating us with it. and we don't like that. yeah. right. but 2 points, so to 1st of all, where are you going to go? because you'll beating us with it. so, i mean, you can go down, don't value in terms of your production in terms of you opened up to you can, as i said, you can get a little production at your end. but you can be going back to doing the ball bearings and all because you know, you're going to compete with the china and all that you're going to compete with

much more average, middle income countries who can, who can do that. and so that's going to be that's, that's going to be one of those issues up. but the 2nd point is, i mean, creator, investments need to be made in society, out your much greater investments in education, etc, etc. you look at, in terms of mathematics scores and all those things, i mean, hong kong, single portion. i paging the students all from there. why should it be? i read a report, i read a report the other day where in china, children in 4th and 5th grade are now being taught to program computers using a i i heard about a i 3 months ago. i mean, not about a i, but it's, you know, like just to be the 1st time i ever started using, it was like 2 or 3 months ago and i'm a full blown adult children. and i had been program. i literally kind of know about the 4 year olds and all that. i'm telling you they have the most the

exact, it's that the 60, you know, they have also some of the most competitive educational marketplace is in the world out there. it's, i mean very few sort of competition and it's not usually i mean at best and they don't complain that there's, this was just too much, you're putting too much pressure on what to turn off. but at this, at the end of the day, they know that there's a box to upward mobility through hardware, trying dedication to a dictation of these things and the big that. yeah. and they've done that in july that's it's not easy to make all human. but oh, we should put them and so now they took it from us. you know what the sharing that was that happened was sharing off 2nd tier, intellectual property. but then the top notch, intellectual property is never shared. it's maintained at home on the basis of which you kind of keep on multiplying and, and, and, and, and, you know, waiting at your end. and you share that, that sort of thing to the next generation intellectual property. because you can

make tons of money out of that, frankly, a bit, but what these smaller, 100 poor countries of that time did this a bit intellectual technology. and they were in a way to be present. they move forward with that. and i think that's what america needs to stay competitive also and not. and this is the real danger of tube with regard to this protect creeping protectionism that's coming in is that it would not be protectionism with regard to preserving chips. and also i think it would be production as i'm going through like a personal being very mundane things because production is a, is something we can all kind of support at the end of the day. because if you're a politician and that can be in the longer term of things dangerous and that's what is happening on capital. if frankie bush beg your, to rob your. busy ways go to conversations like this one, we really appreciate it. all right, so before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. it's simple, really. we want to the silo the world we've got to stop living in these little boxes truths. don't live in boxes. truth is everywhere or i'm rec, sanchez,

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