the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, i'm action or can see welcome back to going underground broadcast, see what were on the world from golf 28 host due by the week of the ways national day celebrating the unification of the amber. it's and the fight for independence from britain, with costing a shadow over the u. a is called the 28 sentra world attention, and likewise saudi arabia for this week being awarded a sight of world expo 20 fuzzy is the alleged casa genocide, backed by nato nations. both side,

the ravia and the u. a. e of oppose the u. s. u k, and the u nations by calling for a permanent cease fire in palestine with a leading newspaper in this region is, are amusing with me again in the studio. is it so award winning editor in chief? i love us previously editor in chief of saudi arabia's already anguish. thank you so much. 5. so for coming back on that long to get through this time since your last ongoing underground. i mean before 1228. before it's a heavy x, but 2030, i suppose i should ask you about this shadow costs across this region. how difficult has it'd be viewed personally and professionally, just watching. witnessing thousands upon thousands of children being slaughtered by all this and they do a nation weaponry in, in gaza, our muse covering it every day since your condolences, i know, speak as a human being. and an unfortunate citizen of this part of the region

of condolences to every citizen, every a civilian that has been killed on, on either side as an editor. it's been equally painful. it's always a little bit more painful when it's in your own back yard. but also it was fascinating on a student to look at how quickly things have changed. if you remember the last time i was here with you in the studio over 2 or 3 months ago, the vibe was completely different pieces we were talking about. absolutely. we were talking piece um, actually just a few days before uh, in september before the, the october 7 attacks happened. we were talking about the one piece of the of that's going to sold all the regional problem. so the piece normalization attached to a cell, the palestinian deal, and it's remarkable how things change. but i suppose the only constant in politics is change. i remember the news has been covering a minute by minute on the social media as well as in the,

in the paper. the coverage coverage seems very different in your newspaper to a lot of native nation. television, media and newspapers is the failure of empathy by journalists in western europe in the united states is a failure, isn't racism against arabs is a, it's a design is lobby, the think conte. appreciate what it means. regardless of how boss, i mean, the favor to refrain is as if to empathize with the survivors of this. what's being called a gaza holocaust is to somehow back come us. what do you feel when you see the coverage there and compared to the coverage your overseeing and our muse? i am editor of i am use, i'm responsible for what's in her muse. i am not responsible for what is in other countries or other newspapers in other parts of the world just went away more however we, we, we have had this conversation before and you know, my, my, my views,

i do the spice lazy during the so i do think you cannot narrow down conflicts, wars into, and not all of our very shallow terms, which is what has been happened. and it seems to me, there is this obsession with black and white with good and bad cowboys and indians . and it isn't. this is a 75 year old conflict, more than 50 years of an occupation that has been back and forth. there has been his city. there has been attentive a piece of, you know, this conflict did not start on october 7th. and it just wouldn't say shameful, but it's a disservice to the audiences of those channels. who are let to think this whole conflict started on october 7th, which is absolutely not true. so why do you think it's happening? i mean,

you will receive news rooms and you've ever seen lots of journalists before. what do you think is going through their heads in the news rooms in london power as well in washington. again, when you, again, i'm responsible for what's know of my nipple. i feel better, but this are, you know, tube in the 7th, if you, if you start talking about context of used, i told you about history, you automatically somehow support the mastic as of october. so i mean, look, part of it in my view is simplistic and possibly lazy, possibly ignoring it during that isn't. i'm not everybody on some part of that during notice. unfortunately, they happen to be working and very influential media outlets. but let's not also separates the coverage from the political position. so the coverage is now becoming a bit more fair across different platforms of talking in general. but the political positions of also changed. again, it was very one sided, it was black and white. the israel has the right to defend itself,

full stop and the nobody at talks about the civilian casualties on the other side. and i started this conversation by saying, you know, every life lost on either side, every civilian life lost on either side is alive too many. so i think the coverage has evolved and has become fair as the political position in most western countries has also started shifting. it's not very often the thousands of children have been slow to. absolutely. it's not there yet. uh, we do hope to see a permanent in the ceasefire, and we do hope to see a recognition of the state of palestine in the security council because that is the solution to this conflict. and, and that is the biggest guarantor of israel security. but of course, the fact that the new york times and amazon washington post then put the photographs that are news has been running the week before it. that was part of the narrative that helped the u. s. u. k. u nation obsession with this thing, there must not be

a 6 for narrative to take whole. the media was presumably take some of the blame for not showing the kinds of pictures that were on newspapers in say, in our news and news outlets across the global south. well, absolutely, but the needle has shifted and you know, we can criticize as much as we want the media and democracies, but they do have the sort of an auto correct. it doesn't function all the time, but they do have an auto connect function that you've seen the protests outside of the new york times calling them then your crimes. you've seen to walk outs of employees. m s nbc. have influenced the and shamefully stopped the programs of 3 of their muslim present. there's a streets a few days into the conflict. they've, of course, reversed the decision after the story that we did, by the way, uh, at a muse exposing to that which i think is shameful. it's on democratic, it's unconstitutional, actually in the united states. so then either is moving,

it's not moving as quickly as we would have liked it. to too old we're asking here is the fit and balanced during the resume that we have been promised. and we've been taught in textbooks and during that isn't schools. well, because m as nbc denies has anything to do with the totality area and is the one on that pop. it's as opposed to how do you not made the statement to be fair, which does a lot as saudi arabia as a it's policy is james on uh, on this uh, let genocide, i mean both savvy and the you a cooling for cease fires at the united nations and then saw the radio, the m b a saying they should be a global arms embargo on israel. what do you think? uh, i mean i know just israel would, you would support us at the holding the expo strategies to you, perhaps in response very, very hard to response, but what do you think size do you maybe meant by that? because obviously all the arms being is just move to the thousands of on thousands of children, all nato. so from the united states, in your opinion, and britain,

what you need, what i think, what the position clearly says is you need to be said across the board. the board. so if arms producing countries such as the united states, the embargo selling weapons to countries that they think our cri, uh, are using them for genocide or for war crimes, then that should be a rule that applies to on everybody not have your favorites excluded. what's happening here is again, with fully a sympathy for the innocent lives lost on october 7th. this does not justify the killing of over 15000 people. innocent people. a lot of them are babies. a lot of them they have just, there's been a footage. there's been footage recently released of a baby, an insect really that was picked up out of the problems by a miracle. he or she is a still a life. but you know, you and i,

and to be every human being on the planet category that is not a terrace that cannot possibly be a total risk. so where is the condemnation? where is the sympathy? and how can we know as a humanity, as countries that preach morality in a breach human rights for such a crime to be committed? so absolutely, an embargo should be across the board then his reading should not be exempted if it is using these weapons to commit crimes such as these ones. well, clearly, joe biden, virtually so neck. you're being the does they know the pictures of the kind? you just spoke about and said these realize the right of self defense regardless. and they knew that the thousands of children were being killed and still didn't change their policy. in any case, i mean, i want to return to expert 20 for the union on some for saudi arabia. but of course, the fact that saudi arabia and the u. a today you

a national day have taken such clear positions versus 5 when the americans and western europeans are seeing a cease fire only benefit some us. what do you make of the lies told against the you a about 1228 being an exercise in fossil fuel negotiation and the increased you will propaganda are against our nations like side you rayburn, the you a off to that positions on gaza. this is to full allow me here to answer 1st about the difference in positions about the u. e. and so the vehicle in for a ceasefire and the u. s. a posing, i think the best answer to that is, which means didn't. how winston churchill described, the americans is that they will do the right thing after they've tried everything else saying that's the ceasefire. only benefits from us is very short sighted. it is a shallow and it is absolutely a wrong, very entity is not on just it's not just on this instance. there has been several

previous incidents with the saudi b as a us ally, as a us friend have advised, particularly the obama administration and the by the ministration. that's what they are doing is, is wrong and has cautioned them that this will have consequences. that's what harm american interest for. good, forget about our own interest. forget about the regional interest. it will harm american interest. we warrant them when they were negotiating with, with it on the nuclear deal, excluding of the 8 on the other activities in, in the region back in 24 saturday. that on through the 2016. and we weren't the obama administration that you're going about it. the wrong way, and what was the answer? it was 3 full see what i liked of it on 3 to the attacks on the u. s. navy. so what's happening now is just to say, repeating itself, we are advising as saudi arabia, as people from this region, and the u. s. we are advising western countries that you know,

it's an immediate cease fire is in everybody's benefits, but unfortunately, they cannot see through that and there is the result of what they're going, what, what they are going through now is going to be more hate crimes on the streets is going to be breathing more, etc. and by that time, it would be too late to pick up the pieces with regards to your points a to your question regarding a cup 20 look and i think we are at the position now in this region where we sort of got to use to be a constant finger pointing, and the double standards one has to ask, why is it that when a uh, the u. e, which is a country that is doing its fair share in supporting sustainability gets, it gets the lecture and the on the, on the fact that it's an oil producing country. when you know 2 cups of good happened in scotland, we didn't see the same. the rest of the same arguments can happen. it can, can be argued regarding the world's cup and caught that caught,

that has human rights abuses. i'm a hand and foot that, you know, i, i put my hands down and i, i would agree that there does have its human rights abuses. but that does. so did russia before it. and so does the united states, which country does not have the human rights abuses, size of, of, as i have to stop, use them more from the editor in chief of our muse after this, right?

the the the welcome back to going out of the garden. i'm still here with the editor in chief of our muse by some of us faithful and ended, but when we were just talking about the i can be the weaponized ation of human rights. no response. by the way, from the i c. c. after the arab league, oh i see come from saying that his realize to be investigated 3 of the human rights

that human rights industry is now kind of over off to the genocide in in goes, i mean if you want to go through the technicalities, then they would argue that the isis, he would only look into cases when nations where nations are so israel, i have a lady that rush, but you know, the palestine isn't recognized as a nation, but the, but then again, if you want, if they want to argue that argument then the right to self defense is also only applicable against another country. exactly when we are alone, you know, i said it's not the effect they want them to. actually, it's not applicable and this is not for me. this is from the human, a defined a city and human rights real quick tour at the u. n. a francesca has been easy. who is a human rights lawyer? the rights for self defense ceases to exist if you're an occupying power. so there's a lot of legal community that wasn't depreciated by any or western european politicians

who clearly continually repeated that then. so why has the icpc being silent? do you think? what is this beautiful is the collapse of the moral high ground or the proceeds more on high ground of many western countries. when we see, when we allow 15000 innocent people to be, it could when we allow babies to be uh, you know, dug up from under the rubber when we use a fuel water, electricity, as a weapon. who, who gave israel the rights to be the, to turn on and off the water. it's a basic human, a neat and i repeat to save this. this is in no way seeing what happens on october 7, is justified by the fact you have to stay the same so nobody in spite haven't gave me the editor in chief of our view is just not to support the october the 7th attack because it's very easy for people to pick and choose sound bites and say you,

but you're saying this, what i'm seeing is what happens. any human, any innocent human life last is a life too many on an on either side. but the simple fact, i mean, and the fact that we have to stress this is unbelievable. but that does not justify the kink at as they say, 2 rooms do not make a right. you cannot kill 50000 people because you had 1200 people. it's not the numbers. it's not the numbers game, but you cannot give a car launch for a country to do whatever it wants to innocent people in this way and then retain the modern hydro. and i think the modern high ground of the so called what on high ground of many of the what's the country has now has been exposed to the hold woods population. but despite the global south, the differences with winston churchill, we've heard from the state department claims that look, look what happened to dresden in response to the nazis. that's how the major countries have been responding to. yes, i, i just, and beyond making

a look at drugs, been busy. i was just doing drugs of the game. yeah. but 2 rooms do not make make it right. and you would argue that that's happened a few decades ago since then. i believe there's been a lot of investments in work in technology, precision the technology. and since then, you know, arguably you should have the means to be to wage wars in a way that's causes less a damage to civilian lives and civilian areas. unless you have a car to launch a or from the world's biggest browsers to do whatever you want. thankfully we are seeing that carte blanche slowly being with withdrawn a bit too late in my opinion. but let us pray for 30 minutes to cease fire and let the school for a for the city and state. because as i said earlier, that is the only way this conflict is going to end. and that is the best go into or

for israel security. what can arab countries do more as regards this happening again and then other years time? say, i mean, we've seen the bombing of damascus international airport, the civilian airport, and we've got the 200 syria between u a in saturday and syria best putting aids. they giving a disability in the moratti's. they are, they're the you in force for leasing fees for this is, this is an oil $1.00 way to be able to force the issue here and save some of those children. not only for golf 28, reducing production in defiance of entity blinking school to increase production. but also to say, if you do this, production costs will be greater then you will expect. what uh, oil is not within in the same way that we don't want or we hope that is written answers the cause that stops getting civilian. when you cut off oil, you are affecting babies and incubators,

all across the world. the effects in school children are affecting the elderly and you know, it's definitely not on the table and there are very wise reasons why it's not on the table. but the, if you're asking me, why are you, i'm optimistic that the at a is the most them approach this time is different. i'll tell you why we are seeing and unprecedented the unified front in, in the region with support from other global power such as russia and china perhaps where the very 1st time in, in history. so remember we had the defense with the, with the, with the it on and the eating and leadership attended. the meeting in the 3 are and were signatories of the declaration. if you had a risk amongst themselves, that had been the result. so you have a unified front with between cell data and cuts out, which as you know, hosts how much leadership, which is a very powerful assets in this unified front,

at, at the moment. so what i'm trying to say is, this time we're able to do more because of the unified in rhetoric. now, rather than actually not, i'm not really, there is what he's got to have more action than a few rhetoric, even though there's good to send in the military to attack is there are, there is a team of, out up for administers that have done other than most of them states for ministers that have done a world tour which has started in, in china and just recently was in new york to attending at the united nations. and they, i've not seen in the past few decades, a more unified at i'm mostly in front. and we are hopeful that these diplomatic efforts we are using every method in the book to try to get to, to a permanent, to cease fire and try to get a recognition of a palace thing. and as the using arrow countries are frightened of israel to be seen in reason, daisy loan musk such

a powerful 1000000000 and with the x will relate to it to he. he got frightened of his right leg complete because he was there taking a trip round the giblets, as with then yahoo! he hasn't taken up on the house, is the offer to go to gaza. how frightening the people of israel in this region? well i'll tell you people uh, vehicle that you sent me take a look at that. can't be possible because we are semis or ourselves as a as arabs. i think this right when coalition that benjamin that then yeah. who is leading when you have one of your own minister culture ministers, nevertheless, saying they went to new. augusta. i mean, i hardly can think of anybody that you know, wouldn't be frightened if that is the if those are the words that are being authored by a member of the cabinet. so can you just imagine if the implement that, of course, the directed the secondary but you know, the fact that it, it was sent when, you know, the, the defense minister causes,

or palestinians human animals and that they will be treated as such. that is a very frightening statement if their response to uh, saudi arabia, calling for homes. and by go with 2 step from backing. i didn't even know they backed saudi arabia for expo 20 for the although israel vitally denied backing saturday. one sign maybe of optimism perhaps will be signs of optimism comp $28.00 for saving the the planet. just to explain what it means that expo 21st, he will be inside of the arabian announcer this week. and i think it's a huge victory for a saudi arabia in terms of its diplomatic efforts. because as you know, it took a lot of lobbying, but also an excellent opportunity to showcase the new saudi arabia to showcase old, the reforms that have been and in a very interesting coincidence, schoolvision 2030. so people will get an opportunity to come to sal. good idea and

witness really a miracle in the making because what has happened in the last 7 years has been unprecedented on so many levels. and it's one of the few countries in the world where there's actually, i mean, the crump, in school, the, the success story of the 21st century. and that is the reality. when you see that we are scheduled to be the fastest growing economy in the g 20 this year. when we exceed the target set for a woman, employment or inclusion in the workforce. we good. we went from less than 9 percent to more than 36 percent and in less than 6 years, that is remarkable. and i don't want to even start talking about the architectural buildings that are being that are being created. because that's the easiest. that's the easiest part, but it is a melting pot of different cultures and people shouldn't be surprised. i argue we have been holding x for,

for to 1400 years. we have organized the has since the days of the profit. so we are very used to welcoming people from all nationalities, and this would be an opportunity in a very different the context of course, but people will experience and the solve the hospitality on our excellence at what coming people just just finally then, i mean, we've seen this me as against the u e because of the comp 28 as well. no doubt it seems to me is against saudi arabia because that not so much it holding x to expo, but because of its positions on numerous global south issues. what more can jesus, the countries do to fight that? or maybe it doesn't get perceptions that are clearly created by some groups in western europe and in native nations against gcc countries against as well. i think we should carry on by doing the right things because they are in the benefit of our

own people and if our own country and one would hope that the viewers leaders in the sitters around the world's become, are becoming more educated and no one to take it back to that goes a conflict. it was a fascinating that the, you know, people are constantly asking, do you, can them, how much do you know who the biggest sympathizer will support of thomas is it is benjamin netanyahu. and those are not my words. those are an editorial in the times of israel, so in one of is was only newspapers. they are blaming and that's on yahoo for what has happened. and they said his strategy for the past 15 years of undermining the legitimate palestinian authority in the best westbank. what, how much does not exist, and a one at the same time and followed and come us, in fact, to use quote it to see if you want to for ever forget or a disabled opinion state or do you need to do is continue to support the how much? well, it's a, it's suddenly a recruitment sergeant i think,

is seen by most of the global south, the actions of israel. i'm by these ne donations. i should just say a culture of the 8 all these important degrees flying in to do by do you think they'll be a lot of guys are on the sidelines and do you think they'll be success stories emerging out of this while a single day and usually we see what's going on in the west bank in syria, in uh, in guys for the u. e is a very important player and hats off to them for carrying on with what they need to do with the important agenda. they have 4 cop 28 for the important agenda that they have in a lot of humanitarian aspects in their mission to mars. the continue a heads up to them, the continue with disregarding the virtual signaling, the finger pointing, and the students that goes on. i think word leaders would be one advice to a have serious conversations with the leadership of the u. e,

with the leadership of saudi arabia. and try to find the solutions to the 21st century from the country that as described by the saudi conference is going to be the 21st century success story. i think there's a lot of wisdom in having these discussions and start having constructive conversations as opposed to disruptive ones. pass syllabus. thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday, hearing host, who called 20 i do by we don't 3 in front of the united nation special rapids on climate change and human rights, but until then give it to us. why are we lost social media results sense in your country, and how do i channel going on the run tv on rumbled, i'll come to watching you and old episodes. i'm going on to go and see him on

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