your sites as an editor, it's been equally painful. it's always a little bit more painful when it's in your own backyard. but also it was fascinating on to, to look at how quickly things have changed. if you remember the last time i was here with you in the studio over 2 or 3 months ago, divide was complete, the different pieces we were talking about. absolutely. we were talking piece actually just a few days before in september before the, the october 7, the tax happened. we were talking about the one piece the and that's going to solve all the regional problem. so the piece normalization attached to a cell, the palestinian deal. and it's remarkable how things change, but i suppose the only constant in politics is change. i remember the news is being covering a minute by minute on the social media as well as in the, in the paper. the coverage coverage seems very different in your newspaper to a lot of nature and nation television. media and newspapers is

a failure of empathy by journalists in western europe in the united states is a failure, isn't racism against arabs is a, it's a design is lobby that they conte. appreciate what it means. regardless of how boss, i mean, the favor to refrain is as if to empathize with the survivors of this. what's being called a gaza holocaust is to somehow back come us. what do you feel when you see the coverage there and compared to the coverage your overseeing army is i am editor of i am use. i'm responsible for what's in term use. i am not responsible for what is in other countries or other newspapers in other parts of the world just went away more. however we, we, we have had this conversation before and you know, my, my, my views, i do the spice lazy journalism. i do think you can not narrow

down conflicts, wars into and not will a very shallow terms, which is what has been happening. uh, it seems to me, there is this obsession with black and white with good and bad cowboys and indians . and it isn't. this is a 75 year old conflict more than 50 years of occupation and there has been back and forth. there has been his city. there has been attempts to a piece of, you know, this conflict did not start on october 7th and, and it's just, i wouldn't say shameful, but it's a disservice to the audiences of those channels who are led to think this whole conflict started on october 7th, which is absolutely not true. so why do you think it's happening? i mean, you will receive news rooms and you've ever seen lots of journalists before. what do you think is going through their heads in the news rooms in london, paris?

well, in washington. again, when you, again, i'm responsible for what's know of my nipple, i feel better, but this are you going to be the 7th? if you, if you start talking about context of you start talking about history, you automatically somehow support the master because of october. so i mean, look, part of it in my view is simplistic and possibly lazy, possibly ignoring it during that isn't. i'm not everybody on some part of the during noticed. unfortunately they happen to be working and very influential media outlets. but let's not also separate the coverage from the political position. so the coverage is now becoming a bit more fear across different platforms of talking in general. but the political positions, i've also changed. again, it was very one sided, it was black and white. the israel has the right to defend itself for stop and the nobody talks about the civilian casualties on the or other sizes. and i started

this conversation by saying, you know, every life last on either side, every civilian life last on either side is a life to many. so i think the coverage has evolved and has become fair as the political position in most western countries as also started shifting. it's not very often the thousands of children have been slow to. absolutely. it's not there yet. uh, we do hope to see a permanent in the ceasefire, and we do hope to see a recognition of the state of palestine in the security council because that is the solution to this conflict. and, and that is the biggest guarantor of israel security. but of course, the fact of the new york times and amazon washington post then put the photographs that are news has been running the week before it. that was part of the narrative that helped the u. s. u. k. you nation obsession with this thing. there must not be at least a narrative to take whole. the medium was presumably take some of the blame for not

showing the kinds of pictures that were on newspapers in say, in our news and news outlets across the global south. oh, absolutely. but they need to have shifted. and you know, we can criticize as much as we want the media in democracies, but they do have a sort of an auto correct. it doesn't function all the time, but they do have an auto correct function that you've seen the protests outside of the new york times calling them then your crimes. you've seen to walk outs of employees. m s. nbc has influenced the and shamefully at stopped the programs of 3 of their mostly present. there's a streets a few days into the conflict. they've, of course, reversed the decision after the story that we did, by the way, uh, at a muse exposing that which i think is shameful. it's on democratic, it's unconstitutional, actually in the united states. so then either is moving, it's not moving as quickly as we would have liked it to, to all we're asking here is the fed and balanced during the resume that we have

been promised. and we've been taught in textbooks and during that isn't what schools? well, because m as nbc deny it has anything to do with the tyler terry and is the one on that pump. it's as far as, you know, made the statement to be fair, which does a lot as saudi arabia as a it's policy is james on uh, on this uh, let genocide, i mean both savvy and the you a cooling for cease fires at the united nations and then savvy or a be a m b s saying there should be a global arms embargo on israel. what do you think a man who just is real, would you would support us as a holding expo strategies to you? perhaps in response, a very, very on the response, but what do you think? so how do you maybe meant by that? because obviously all the arms being is just move to the thousands upon thousands of children, all nato. so from the united states, in your opinion, in britain, what you need, what i think, what the position clearly says is you need to be said across the board of the board

. so if i'm is producing countries such as the united states, the embargo selling weapons to countries that they think our cri, uh, are using them for genocide or for war crimes. then that should be a rule that applies on everybody not have your favorites excluded. what's happening here is again, with full a sympathy for the innocent lives lost on october 7th. this does not justify the killing of over 15000 people. innocent people. a lot of them are babies. a lot of them they have just, there's been a footage. there's been footage recently released of a baby, an insect 3 that was picked up out of the rabbits by a miracle. he or she is still alive. but you know, you and i and possibly every human being on the plan, it's gonna agree that is not a tetra. so that cannot possibly be

a total risk. so weird is the condemnation. where is the sympathy and how can we know as humanity, as countries that preach mortality in a breach human rights for such a crime to be committed? so absolutely, an embargo should be across the board, then his role should not be exempted if it is using these weapons to commit crimes such as these ones. well, clearly joe biden versus your neck. your being lead is they know the pictures of the kind. you just spoke about and said these realize the right of self defense regardless. and they knew that the thousands of children were being killed and still didn't change their policy. in any case, i mean, i want to return to x by 2030 in the, in odds and for saudi arabia. but of course, the fact that saudi arabia and the u. a today you a national day have taken such clear positions for a cease 5 when the americans and western europeans are seeing

a ceasefire and the benefits from us. what do you make of the lies told against the you a about 1228 being an exercise in fossil fuel negotiation and the increased, you will propaganda are against our nations, like saudi arabia in the u. a off to that positions on gaza. this is to full to allow me here to answer 1st about the difference in positions about the u. e. and so the vehicle in for a ceasefire and the u. s. opposing it, i think the best answer to that is what the winston, how winston churchill described, the americans is that they will do the right thing after they've tried everything else. saying that's the ceasefire. only benefits from us is very short sighted. it is shallow and it is absolutely a wrong, very entity is not on just in, not just on this instance. there has been several previous incidents with the saudi b as a us ally, as a us friend have advised, particularly the obama administration and the by the administration. that's what

they are doing is, is wrong and has cautioned them that this will have consequences. that's what harm american interest for the forget about our own interest. forget about the regional interest. it will harm american interest. we weren't them when they were negotiating with, with it on the nuclear view, excluding of the 8 on the other, the activities in, in the region back in 24 saturday. that on through the 2016. and we weren't the obama administration that you're going about it the wrong way. and what was the answer? it was 3 full see what i liked of it on 3 to the attacks on the u. s. navy. so what's happening now is just has to repeating itself, we are advising as saudi arabia, as people from this region in the us, we are advising western countries that you know, it's an immediate cease fire is in everybody's benefit. but unfortunately, they cannot see through that, and there is the result of what they're going, what,

what they're going through now is going to be more heat, grimes on the streets, is going to be breathing more, etc. and by that time it would be too late to, to pick up the pieces with regards to your points a to your question regarding a cup 20 look. and i think we are at the position now in this region where we sort of got to use to be a constant finger pointing. and the double standards one has to ask, why is it that when the u. e, which is a country that is doing its fair share and support thing, sustainability gets, it gets the lecture on the, on the fact that it's an oil producing country. when you know 2 cups of good happened in scotland, we didn't see the same threats are the same arguments can happen. it can can be argued regarding the world's cup and caught caught, that has human rights abuses. i'm out of hand. i'll put that. you know, i,

i put my hands down and i would agree that there does have its human rights abuses . but that doesn't. so the russia before it. and so does the united states, which country does not have a human rights abuses, size of, of, as i have to stop use that more from the editor in chief of our muse after this, right? the, the russian states never as tight as on one of the most sense be the best english i'll send,

send up the progress be the one else calls. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the rush of funding and supports the r t supposed net, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services. what question did you say from stephen twist, which is the historically, and there's never been a model of any military alliance auto political alliance. that is the fundamental difference between india and many of the other countries. so this comes with its

own price because as you said, the alliances and countries which want you to be a part of them. and if you're not, then you looked upon with a suspicion. but it does kind of as to what all these black and white divisions of the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the editor in chief of our muse by some of us faithful it ended. but when we were just talking about that can be the weaponized ation of human rights. no response. by the way, from the i c. c. after the early go, i see comes in saying that israel has to be investigated clear that human rights, that human rights industry is now kind of over off to the genocide in, in gaza. i mean, if you want to go to technicalities,

then they would argue that the licensee would only look into cases when nations where nations are so israel, i have a little bit of rush, but you know, the polish thing isn't recognized as a nation, but the but then again, if you want, if they want to argue that argument, then the right to self defense is also only applicable against in other countries. like when we are alone, you know, it's, it's not the effect they want them to. actually, it's not applicable and this is not for me. this is from the human, the palestinian human rights report. for at the u. n. a francesca have been easy. who is a human rights lawyer? the rights for self defense ceases to exist. if you're an occupying power, so there's a lot of legal community that wasn't depreciated by any or western european politicians who clearly continually repeated that then. so why has v i c c being silent? do you think what is undisputable is the collapse of the moral high ground or the proceeds more on high ground of many western countries?

when we see, when we allow 15000 innocent people to be a kid when we allow babies to be uh, you know, dug up from under the rubble. when we use the fuel water, electricity as a weapon. who, who gave israel the right to be able to turn on and off water. it's a basic human, a meet, and i repeat to say this, this is in no way seeing what happens on october 7 is justified by the fact you have to say the same, so no bit smaller, haven't gave me the editor in chief of our view is just not to support the october the 7th the attack because it's very easy for people to pick and choose sound bites and say you. but you're saying this, what i'm saying is, what happens, any human, any innocent human life last is a life too many on an on either side. but the simple fact, i mean and,

and the fact that we have to stress this is unbelievable. but that does not justify the kink at as they say, 2 rooms do not make a right. you cannot kill 50000 people because you had 1200 people. it's not the numbers. it's not the numbers game, but you cannot give a car launch for a country to do whatever it wants to innocent people in this way and then retain the motor on hydro. and i think the motor on high ground of the so called what on high ground of many if there was some country has now has been exposed to the hold words population. but despite the global south, the differences with winston churchill, we've heard from the state department claims that look, look what happened to dresden in response to the nazis. that's how the nato countries have been responding to. yes i, i just, i'm just only making a look at drugs been, be as well just doing drugs of the game. yeah. but 2 rooms do not make, make a right. and you would argue that that's happened

a few decades ago since then. i believe there's been a lot of investments in work in technology, precision the technology. and since then, you know, arguably you should have the means to be to wage wars in a way that's causes less a damage to civilian lives and civilian areas. unless you have a car to launch from the world's biggest browsers to do whatever you want. thankfully we are seeing that card lunch slowly being with withdrawn a bit too late in my opinion. but let us pray for 30 minutes to cease fire and let us hope for a, for the city and state. because as i said earlier, that is the only way this conflict is going to and, and that is the best got into our force is real security. more can arab countries do more as regards this happening a game. and then on the is time. say, i mean we've seen the bombing of damascus into natural apple and the civilian

airport. and we've got the 200 syria between u a and saturday and syria. best putting aids they giving a to saturdays in the moratti's. they are, they are the you in force for leasing fees for this is, this is an oil $1.00 way to be able to force the issue here and save some of those children. not only for golf 28, reducing production, and to find some entity blinking school to increase production. but also to say, if you do this, production costs will be greater then you will expect. what uh, oil is not within in the same way that we don't want or we hope that is written answers the cause that stops getting civilian. when you cut off oil and you are affecting babies and incubators, all across the world, you're affecting school children that are affecting the elderly. and you know, it's definitely not on the table. and there are very wise reasons why it's not on the table. but if you're asking me, why are you, i'm optimistic that the at

a is the most them approach this time is different. i'll tell you why. we are seeing an unprecedented a unified front in, in the region with support from other global power such as russia and china perhaps where the very 1st time in, in history. and so remember we had the defense with the, with the, with the it on. and the eating and leadership attended the meeting in the 3 are, and we're seeing the series of the declaration if you had a risk amongst themselves, that had been results. so you have a unified front with, between saudi arabia and cuts out, which as you know, hosts the how much leadership, which is a very powerful assets in this unified front a, at the moment. so what i'm trying to say is, this time we're able to do more because of the unified in rhetoric, rather than actually no, no, not really. there is what he's got to have more action than a few rhetoric,

even though there's good to send in the military to attack is there are, there is a team of, out of foreign ministers that have done other than most of them states for ministers that have done a world tour which has started in, in china and just recently was in new york to attending at the united nations. and they, i've not seen in the past few decades, a more unified at a muslim uh front. and we are hopeful that these diplomatic efforts we are using every method in the book to try to get the, to a permanent, to cease fire and try to get a recognition of a police thing. and as the countries are frightened, always rarely we've seen in reason daisy loan musk such a powerful 1000000000 and with ex full relief do it to he he got frightened of his right. allow gabriel because he was there taking a trip round the keyboard says with and yahoo he hasn't taken up on the house. is

the offer to go to gaza. how frightening the people of israel in this region? well i'll tell you people of vehicle that you sent music to load that can't be possible because we are semis over ourselves as a as arabs. i think this right when coalition that benjamin nathan. yeah. who is leading, when you have one of your own minister culture ministers, never the less saying they want to new goza. i mean, i hardly can think of anybody that you know wouldn't be frightened if that's is the if those are the words that are being authored by a member of the cabinet. so can you just imagine if the implement that of course, the directive the 2nd day, but you know, the fact that it, it was sent when you know, the, the defense minister and it causes, or palestinians, human animals and that they will be treated as such. that is a very frightening statement if their response to the saudi arabia, calling for homes and by go was to stop them. uh,

backing. i didn't even know they backed saudi arabia for expo 20 fuzzy. although israel a by and they denied backing saturday. one sign maybe of optimism, perhaps they'll be signs of optimism. it go up $28.00 for saving the planet. just to explain what it means that expo 21st he will be inside here. ravia announced this week, and i think it's a huge victory for a saudi arabia in terms of its diplomatic efforts. because as you know, it took a lot of lobbying, but also an excellent opportunity to showcase the new and saudi arabia to showcase old, the reforms that have been and in a very interesting coincidence, schoolvision 2030. so people will get an opportunity to come to sal, good idea and witness really a miracle in the making because what has happened in the last 7 years has been unprecedented on so many levels. and it's one of the few countries in the world

where there's actually, i mean, the crown prince called the success story of the 21st century. and that is the reality. when you see that we are scheduled to be the fastest growing economy in the g 20 this year. when we exceed the target set for a woman, employment, or inclusion in the workforce. we good. we went from less than 9 percent to more than 36 percent. and in less than 6 years, that is remarkable. and i don't want to even start talking about the architectural buildings that are being that are being created. because that's the easiest. that's the easiest part, but it is a melting pot of different cultures and people shouldn't be surprised. i argue we have been holding x for, for to 1400 years. we have organize the has since the days of the profit. so we are very used to welcoming people from will not have these, and this would be an opportunity in

a very different the context of course. but people will experience and the solve the hospitality on our excellence at what coming people just just finally then, i mean, we've seen this me as against the u. e because of the comp 28 as well. no doubt it seems to me is against saudi arabia. because not so much of holding x to expo, but because of its positions on numerous global south issues. what more can jesus, the countries do to fight that? or maybe it doesn't get perceptions that are clearly created by some groups in western europe and in nature, nations against gcc countries, against as well. i think we should carry on by doing the right things because they are in the benefit of our own people. and if our own country and one would hope that the viewers leaders in the sitters around the worlds become, are becoming more educated. um, you know, when to take it back to that goes the conflict. it was a fascinating that the,

you know, people are constantly asking, do you, can them, how much do you know who the biggest sympathizer will support of thomas is it is benjamin netanyahu, and those are not my words. those are an editorial in the times of israel. so in one of israel's owing newspapers, they are blaming and that's on yahoo for what has happened. and they've said his strategy for the past 15 years of undermining the legitimate palestinian authority in the best westbank. what. how much does not exist and a one at the same time and followed and come us. in fact, he's quoted to see if you want to for other forgets or a disabled a posting in the state. or do you need to do is continue to support. uh, how much will it it's suddenly a recruitment sergeant i think is seen by most of the global south, the actions of israel. i'm by these ne donations. i should just say a culture of the 8 all these important degrees flying in to do by do you think

they'll be a lot of guys are on the sidelines and do you think they'll be success stories emerging out of this while a single day and usually we see what's going on in the west bank in syria, in uh, in guys. this is the u. e is a very important player and hats off to them for carrying on with what they need to do with the important agenda. they have 4 cop 28 for the important agenda that they have in a lot of humanitarian aspects in their mission to mars. the continue a heads up to them, the continue with disregarding the virtue of signaling, the finger pointing and the city and this that goes on, i think word leaders will be one advice to a have serious conversations with the leadership of the u. e, with the leadership of saudi arabia, and try to find the solutions to the 21st century from the country that as described by the saudi conference is going to be the 21st century

success story. i think there's a lot of wisdom in having these discussions and start having constructive conversations as opposed to disruptive ones. pass all of us. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on monday, hearing host, who called 20 i do by we don't 3 in front of the united nation special rapids on climate change and human rights. but until then give it to us. why are we lost social media results ends in your country and had to our channel going on the run tv on rumbled, i'll come to watching you and old episodes on going on to go and see him on the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to

say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals. what are some of the living will not have very good stuff again to you know, price here in new york? i think we don't know the aftermath. any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask a better the answer is, will be the you started clean deal has never been the models, any military alliance auto political on the lines. that is the fundamental difference between india and many of the other countries. so this comes with its own price because as you said, the alliances and countries which want you to be a part of them. and if you're not, then you looked upon with a suspicion. but it does kind of as to what all these black and white divisions of the

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