fall the details in the box set to minutes. deluxe the i'm action or attempt team. welcome back to going underground, broke out single around the world from the host of view and climate change conference. cop 20. i do buying the you a, it's no secret climate change disproportionately affects the poor despite being ignited by the rich. but if everyone has the right to a healthy environment, will that be heated debates throughout the next fortnight, about the use of common amazing military attacks. just of all the thousands of children as we've seen in this region in the past few weeks facilitated by comp to at the age of 10. these, the usa, u. k. and the, you, well, who best as it goes? you've been the 1st to have, are you in special roplenger and climate change and human rights talk in fry,

who of course, joins me from here in do by. thank you so much special or i'll put you out for coming on. so 4 days in just remind us of critical it. is this a 1220 agent? how you under your special or a patrol ship, you directly link climate to human rights and how climate transformation will hurt the poorest in the world. if nothing's done about it as well, yes, this is a critical issue. i mean, climate change represents of one of the most serious sorts through here, manatees that we've ever faced. and it, and it's a, you know, it's already causing palm to many, hundreds of thousands of people that the rights to was, the food shelter are all being affected by the impacts of climate change. and yet, of course, we have the richest in the world, say the washington post owner amazons you haven't been as well as talking green like other all the gods. but with a half a $1000000.00 york's that need super time,

because we are talking intimate, $7000.00 tons of common a year. aux. i'm reporting that just 12000000000 is bill gates. jeff, as us del musket brokovich, they use the same as 2100000 homes in terms of carbon emissions. equivalent of 4.6 coal cold plants, just every yeah, isn't the it really the gap between rich and poor here? that's a in question. odd. yes, it's critical that, you know, we, we have a huge in balance and in the, the amount of people who use greenhouse gases and it costs that you know, the rich countries and, and the billing is using up far greater emissions. and then the pores, people, how do you think the going to pay for the poor us to people at this golf $28.00 summit as well? i don't think they'll get a price for it at this cost, but i think inevitably they gonna have to, to pay somehow. and i think this is part of the discussions we're having during

this comp summit around this lawson damage fund. it's clear that we need a fund that will draw from uh, you know, rich people from corporations that are producing greenhouse gases and to pay for the home that they causing to, to pull communities. and yet, well presumably see a lot of green washing. i mean, it's these oligarchs that always talk about how good they offer the environment. i know that in your presentation to the you inspected general of the general assembly . you have a whole section on green washing and climate washing. what is the danger? i had called the 28th of these big multinational companies using the summit to make up they, are they care about the environment? i. yes. hello. this is eliza great. sierra of this sort of amazing break. you know, people coming together to make it sound like to doing the right thing,

but clearly with quite concerned about the issue of green washing and you know, signing the right thing, but not actually doing the right thing. and this is, you know, serious problem. we have large corporations producing lots of greenhouse gases and, and they should be responsible for the impacts of causing his star. okay. we now know it's mean expose have as being the secret lobbying by huge fossil fuel companies to prevent ordinary people understanding the depth of the climate. crisis down to the blinking is here for co op, representing the united states. when he was here in the middle east. the other day it seems like he was urging more oil production inside the radio. he's saying come on, you're going to producing more oil inside your ab said no, originally so knack from britain presumably as well and do by he's on the record for saying we need to max out, know, see fossil fuel drilling. it's a, it's unusual. this cop isn't it because now we have on the record statements as

opposed to last time round from these naser nation leaders explaining how they want more fossil fuel emissions. yes, so that seems contradictory to the purpose of this climate change caught that they're asking for more production of fossil fuels. uh, you know, when, where, you know, in serious need of all countries to reduce their alliance on fossil fuels, when not on track to making the paris call at 1.5 degrees celsius. and we all need to drastically reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. so it is a problem that they will blade is coming to the summit and not taking the issue seriously enough. i mean it's clear that it's useful to have a big party or big meeting. i don't know what the emissions of golf 28. 0, but there wouldn't be any mention will there about evidence that the bible attacks

the north stream pipelines, applying germany, resulting in the largest man made, maintain emission event in all human history. and now of course texts and l. n. g fact in texas is now appearing on the shores of western europe since the last since comp 27. well i, i can comment on that. no, she is sure. oil, the problem, if you all the special or opportunity you can comment on north stream. i know we have to wait for the investigation. it's ongoing isn't the point. so i know that it hasn't been, you know, conclusive evidence of this. who caused that, that explosion. so it's difficult for me to comment on that until is a proper investigation of that. yeah, but i mean, had a meeting like this, a military emissions even going to be talked about, according to the cost of all project $760000000.00 pentagon budget equates the $51000000.00 tons of c o. 2 more than most countries at the

emissions from the united states. well, the military is of the world is larger than just the c o. 2 emissions from russia. the, the, is the military. going to be up for debate to the top? 28 or just don't really care about the secretive emissions that are clearly then more important than the bcc ever seems to understand. yes, well, i mean, it is a concern that the military across the globe is, is uh, creating significant greenhouse gas emissions. and as in discussions with some civil society organizations today, expressing concern about this actual issue of, you know, the emissions from the military across the glove having, you know, seemingly accountable to their mission. so this is a great concern. i mean, we can hear you signed a letter and opposing the policy of nato nations as regards gaza,

which this whole region and the whole global south is focused on the ledge guys of genocide. why is it that you uh, as part of your roommate, presumably about losing emissions of all these wall plains, from israel and the on by the u. k. u, as in the you nation bombing and killing thousands of children and gaza, the right emissions. and there are human rights that have some sort of hypocrisy, also to not cool for cease 5. well also saying one's green and gold 28 this year. well i've, you know, i doing this on the letter very early on in the, in the, the hostilities for us as ation on both sides, particularly because of the human rights abuses that both sides uh, you know, uh, penetrating in this, in this, of this war. so it's, it's a serious concern, and of course, you know, in, in all the, uh, you know, the, the,

was that we're seeing going on at the moment. there are a lot of greenhouse gas emissions associated with this. and, and this is one of the, the consequences of war for us at a produces a lot of greenhouse gas emissions. and the military doesn't seem to be accountable for the us. and joe biden signed a blank check for a new owner. and that's, or they use a co signed means that's the reason why joe biden, after appearing in previous cops as well, that they've done up and do by this year. well, i, i kind of answer for why he's not sure or not. so, you know, uh, but you know, it's certainly an issue. you know, that one of the biggest greenhouse gas produces in the. busy world is not represented by the head of state. do you have any idea why he didn't bother to donna? no, i, i had no idea why he decided not to,

to, i mean, clearly the whole international community against european union britain in the united states supports a ceasefire in gaza. you know that the, even, that's a you and other special replica assigned claim that the civilians uh, were being uh, talking to that i think, i mean, israel said that they're not being targeted a lot. you know, my, my concern was the human rights violations from both sides. you know, we, people have been killed on both sides, you know, in israel and 1000. and that was our concern that, you know, we were calling for suicide cessation of hostilities. so it's uh, you know, we think this is the face by right, if you're calling for a cx 5. yes. which is which are 5, both sides. yeah. which the united states absolutely has not called for, nor as any of spain, an island in west and europe. in the country,

i mean, what do you make of bibles ending his energy, oil and gas advisor to israel and made the a that's genocide, aimless hochstein, while thousands of children were being slaughtered in gaza. he says, is the energy, i mean, i don't know whether that's a climate advises these little island gas advisor for my texas energy man to uh, to them, at least to to is there a lot uh, is there an energy klein with aspect to garza? my concern is this a broader issue of climate change impacts globally and, and the amount of emissions that are being produced by industry across the globe. and i, i prefer not to sort of narrow it down to the guys the situation because that the, you know, they're much greater emissions occurring outside of that region. and so that's why i'm here to talk about the global problem of climate change and, and trying to get all countries to reduce that greenhouse gases. but clearly,

if you're sending massive aircraft carriers into south china sea are sort of spending billions of dollars where the weapons into ukraine, you're sending billions of dollars a weapons to israel. i mean, truthfully their environmental concerns whilst we hear a sweet woods for events in a blinking smile from dubai. yes. but it's, you know, as i saying, i mean, i, i would prefer not to just narrow down to this issue because you're not able to pay for these install hostilities crisis. we still have a numerous amount of emissions being a good by major economies across the globe. and this is my concern is, is you know, how to address this issue of the major economies across the globe. and that's, that includes china, russia, united states, united kingdom, european union, are all producing greenhouse gases that are, you know, a concern and,

and these are on a basis. and we need to have pool in these emissions because we can see people across the crowd suffering as a consequence around a have to look at the slides that are just occurred and says that um you know, the long drought, the people who lived in some have been living in somalia and now suffering droughts lodge floods. you know, there's a common trend around the globe that we see these long periods of drap when people are dying as a consequence of climate change and, and then suffering floods. so this is a global concerned that i'm worried about and it's affecting people across the globe. the un special rabbit, or i'll stop you. that smell from you in special rapids on climate change in human rights activists. right. the,

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in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. what question did you say to stephen twist, which is the welcome back to going underground? i'm still here with you and special rapid during climate change of human rights talk to you in for i a special roplenger. we were talking about the militarism and the fact that it is not just militarism. obviously, that's

a the context of climate negotiations here in dubai. for cop 28. so you did say that ukraine was complicating things what, why was the conflict in ukraine complicating environmental measures? well i'm, i'm not sure i've ever said that. i mean, clearly there is no issues and conflicts across the blood that uh, you know, a serious issues and you know, their emotions associated with those. but there are a lot of other sources of machines as well. of course, of course. and i, i should actually ask you about recent trends in what's happening in the world that was happening and 1227, or what have you made of scientific literature that says plants application to climate change is a reason for optimism and that the climate and modeling was not expecting how quickly plans seem to be able to adapt to the woman climate and also new research. and i'm,

it's very keyed. do you think some of the modeling will have to change and give us a few more years and the seemingly applicable applicable uptake full cost being made last time as well i'm, i'm not convinced by that. i mean, that's certainly, you know, uh, plants are growing quicker and absorbing more carbon dioxide. but to how long i can hold onto that carbon dioxide is an issue. and there's other research which suggests that because of the high temperatures, plants are aspiring more and producing more carbon dioxide so that there are certain serious issues do on that end, particularly, you know, the issue of the absorption or carbon dioxide in the oceans, which is causing the oceans to warm up and you know, we're saying most of the weather events. so i don't think we're seeing any sort of listening of the climate change issue. uh, it seems to be getting worse and was experiencing, you know,

more severe events. and in fact, just last month, it was the highest average temperature across the globe that has ever been recorded in history. and that's, that was, you know, on an average across the glove, 2 degrees above pre industrial level. so we've already, you know, so no, no, not in history, obviously. yeah, yeah. in human history. yes. you know, in recorded history since, since it's reco, it's been yeah. i mean, this is always been a problem from those who doubted that the climate was changing until the ice coordinates. it wasn't it because if you just say, gosh, this was the heart of yeah. on record in terms of the history of the world. clearly, it doesn't, doesn't actually, it may mean that bunch well, i mean, you know, records do go back quite a long way. so they go back only like the tiny percentage of the,

the history of the, of yes, but as far as you know, it is clear that you know, since the industrial revolution, the amount of comm, dockside has increased in that process. and global temperatures have increased quite dramatically, and this is unprecedented. well, obviously i will lead is west and europe in the united states don't share your pessimism as they see the ever increasing amounts of drilling for fossil fuels and exploitation of resources. and not only that, people who think like you do special rubber to all are beating up and arrested and give it ever longer sentences. what have you made given us special or a bunch of fully environment and for human rights? what is being happening say in britain to the just a boil, protest is getting incredibly long sentences for their activism. what is going on in western europe as regards people who are as concerned as you are about the environment? yes, it's like the right to the u. k government about this issue uh,

expressing my concern about the sentences level that these are climate change prior testers, you know, it affects you know. ready it set said so sort of chilling, right, you know, response that we're seeing a clamp down on the right to protest. and i was quite concerned about that. in fact, you know, right, the lizard, you know, 2 months ago to the u. k. government, i have not had a response, and this is quite disturbing that uh, you know, the, the right to protest against climate change is being climbed down on people's, you know, have the right to express concern about the future, particularly young people. you know, because there is a concern about the future of young people and that they should be had the right to protest. right? so as antonio gutierrez spells out issues right? clearly that can to bypass to me by these young protest as in west and european capitals,

including london in the british government. no one from the british government, which is the next government has replied to you in special appear on the environment when you are expressing concerns about freedom of expression. yeah, this, this is the concern. busy that this seems to be an issue that the u. k. government is ignoring the is expressions of concern and the ad and it's traveling that people dont have the right to protest and particularly around climate change because it is such a serious issue. maybe you can call her him here in here in dubai, but uh, do you expect that will actually, uh that um, i'm going to as a sign of the clamp downs on freedom of expression in those protesting for the environment, it is a sign of the times as these countries are going to be reverse, previous time and commitments. yeah, it's a, it's a wiring trend across the glove that we're seeing and clamped down on on people

expressing the right to to protest against inaction on climate change. in a, it is a wiring trend across the globe and your expect burgeoning environmental litigation to prevent democratically elected governments from legislating in effect for the environment and protecting the planets. well i did. busy a review of tyrants litigation, internet was my report to do in general assembly in october. so looking at the trends and i, i think there will be a growing amount of litigation against corporations from, from across the globe full there in action on the account or the integration. sorry, and counter litigation by those multi 1000000000 dollar corporation where this thing, what's called the slab suits, you know,

with counter litigation is applied to people who are not protesting against climate change action and taking the litigation. so we're seeing also these calculated litigation issues as well. as to what it would can be done given that they clearly have have the year off some parts of the nature nation main stream, so called media when it comes to the environment, they're going to litigate against democratically accountable governments trying to help the climates. i mean, the can something be done to break these global energy companies because it's clear what they want to submit. well, you know, i, i think, you know, they're just going to be held accountable and, and what we're seeing is where we're seeing litigation moved from, you know, of, you know, cases against governments to cases against corporations. and you know, more recently we're seeing litigation against a corporate boards and i think this is with,

i'll start to get nervous if actually board members are, you know, brought before thoughts and held accountable for the actions of the companies and, you know, the emissions and how they doing, i mean, you've seen what's happening to whistle blowers and those trying to publish the secrets of memos within big us corporations. about the, the strategies of the these a multi $1000000000.00 outfits trying to prevent comp, $28.00 style changes. i mean, a, it's getting worse, isn't it? still getting better. you know, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it is getting worse. and this is the problem where we're seeing this is a resistance by magic corporations to taking strong action. i mean, that has been moved by the bottom as administration to develop environmental and

social governance rules and the european union bringing those and that by the, you know, potentially positive steps towards making corporations more accountable for their activities. but will this reminds to be saying whether they will promptly report on that what they. busy doing and what impacts to their action. so having you probably get a big mailbag already but so people can write to you if they feel that human rights are threatened because of that concern with the issues raised to cope 28 in the corporations. they working anywhere in the world that yes and in fact uh, yeah, my next report to the human rights council will be around in a corporate accountability. and i put out a call for people to, to ride to my right to me, to uh, you know, express, you know, give me evidence of where corporations are affecting their rights. you know, in the context of climate change. i know you made headlines in the philippines about the law against the communists in the,

in the philippines on your recent visit. lot of news amidst the golf 28 conference whilst of course gaza focuses the minds of all of this region given is really administered. said these rails just by using nuclear weapons in gaza. do you don't think the environmental threat now most pressing one is the threat of nuclear war? not the threat to have c o 2 in me same. you know, i yeah. well, obviously nuclear weapons is a, is a great start and it's been around for a long time. i think the greatest right is climate change and, and the lack of action of dealing with climate change because it's going to have a long term consequences. you know ecological and, and she gave him an impact. so will the poor face all the, all the challenges and the ritual have bunkers to live in and they're yours. and the boy will be told the recycling little bit more and you were in the philippines

. i mean, the pool or the philippines will have it even dolphins i'm, while new american for new american bases will be built at a norm as environmental cost as well. you know, it's not just us prices are being built in. are we saying military build ups or across the globe so that they, these are issue, you know, global issues. but you know, particularly the gross and the, you know, use of fossil fuels across the world is, is a serious concern. and we, we have to deal with those issues. some was in the philippines, you know, there was a serious concerns about the strategic minerals that are being developed for renewable energy technologies. is that like lithium cod bolton, all these other, you know, what's called strategic minerals and, and that this is a concern that there are human rights invitations from mining the so called strategic minerals to meet the sort of how do you run your google energy economy

and so what we're seeing is a sort of competition and on the bottom ministration and collaboration with the take government have sort of set up a strategic minerals initiative. and that's in competition with china to access these minerals. so we're seeing a sort of, you know, a gold rush, you know, for the strategic minerals and as a consequence, you know, a poor communities and not getting a site and not. and you know, i've spoken with indigenous peoples about this whole issue, a free prime phone consent on the land before these mining companies move in and, and destroy the, the lands ancestor lands your end semester. we're happy to jump to in for i thank you. thank you. that's it for the show. golf 28 runs for another 2 weeks here in dubai. we'll be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch by roll that social media . if it's not the sense that in your country and had to our channel going underground tv on rumbled,

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