the, the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered non peter level. kids was only seem to increase with each passing day. it's counter offensive was an odor failure, continued mass of western support is in doubt. zelinski is popularity is on the decline in the military,

essentially has few ideas. how to proceed to is running out of options. the cross talking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess to me 3 las caught us in montreal. he's a lawyer and a freelance journalist. also in montreal, we have michelle say mark, he is a honorary professor of philosophy at the university of montreal and in paris we cross the vitamin goldstein. he is the chairman of the department of slavic studies at brown university. our gentleman cross talk roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, let's go to a lot of me here in paris 1st. i'm titling this program. we seem collapse question mark here. so we have a number of articles coming out in the mainstream media talking about the popularity of zelinski or the lack there of how there is. he's having a pitched battle with his military and particularly with general allusion and,

and also the, the ever most important elements. and all of this is western aid, which will some of it will definitely come through, but not nearly as much as that they, they were all hoping. so just how unstable is the regime? because of the money goes then it's, it's, you know, it turn off the lights, it's over. vladimir, as well. ball said his name is unstable because it is basically, it was arriving remitted on west themselves. but what say is absolutely uh and is that the narrative is sort of the just drawing it was like a very convenient narrative bed, a rush out of that garage to garage uh, google drive. do you agree? and. busy kills a, a young green shoots of democracy in your brain a well, we see it's not, it's a slide democracy. it's not a booming economy. it's a, it's a con. sewage catches may

a man uh after the age of 60 and send that sends them to butcher e. uh if they're not quite ready for that. the only thing that they were ready is to get a major whitman's insight ended in the front the front. it's even this one is stopping . so we see the deals that have collapsed all the narrative. that zalinski is a great leader who is going to lead their rates, not just the grain, but with lead to the great russia from it's for the garage and, and so on, so forth. so it gets much company and i think what is fussing is about the whole thing since the landscape was so much invested with these narrative of a, the dangers of the never give the danger to the country. it just means that he's in the, in the page and that's why we have all the contenders and all of the new. uh, i was told and it just, uh, i mean, yeah, i mean, it seems like the,

the west was looking for a new sarah. good because of meeting time magazine, the economist, i mean, he can't get any more mainstream than that. and words like delusional is coming up and, and, and at a centrally paints, a picture of that zalinski is fighting a 2 front war against russia and his own generals. go ahead, michelle. uh yeah, well uh, i believe that uh well i, i, i read the seymour hersh has paper. oh, okay. i want to, i want to get to that will go ahead. i was gonna mention have go ahead, jump right in and talk about it. go ahead. well, uh, i read the simple hirsch's paper in which he says that there are negotiations taking place between gallery and insurance above. and rather he is listening a new crime concerning a peace deal that might be a range between those 2. i'm convinced that there are such a big organization is because, uh, i, despite, uh, i think that the americans are desperate in finding

a solution their way out of this conflict. but to exactly, for that reason, i'm not convinced that the americans are out of the picture. they are involved. i barely the best scenario for the americans when i've been to continue the war beyond the a presidential elections. so with the home that way, maybe uh the trainers would be winning, but now that we know that they are losing, it's going just to be terrible for biden's re election. so there must be a plan b. and i believe that that plan b is forcing negotiation for a peace deal right now. and this, the i, the position of the americans will be, well, that was a, an aggression or non provo, to aggression. we help to ukraine, and now they,

i've decided all by themselves to reach a peace deal with the russians, and we respect that. that would be this plan b. i heard that hopefully in the mind the biden will help him. when do we know that the election? yeah, well, i, i, it's dreadful to think what is in the mind of joe biden, but that's a topic for another program. dimitry i said, so you know, michelle already brought up to see more hers piece, which i wanted to delve into, but we're already into it. so i, it's a very interesting piece. uh, i don't buy it. i think it's more of a trial balloon than anything else. to see what the reactions would be, because the russian military does not. it's not a free agent. ok, and i'm not really sure what that has to say about the planning and military though i would like to point out the solution is very much respected in russia. that adds to this trial bloom kind of a narrative here. but you know, the whole point is that camp is running out of options here. i don't think the americans are really a band and ukraine. i just,

i think they'll just keep it on live, support it before the election, dimitri as well, they certainly don't want to see a full scale collapse because that would be a narrative that would be beyond the control of even the button intended striation in the corporate medium united states, that would, i think, revealed to the entire world at this. and this project was ill conceived from the, from the outset. and that there is no way to deny that this has resulted in a strategic defeat for nato and for the vitamin ministration. so yes, i do agree that they're likely to keep it on life support. but the last several months have seen a, a, not necessarily the lowest levels of support coming from the united states. but certainly relative to levels of support during the so called defensive, very, very low. there's a, a statement coming out of the white house warning. i believe it's coming from the congressional budget office that they're almost out of money. 97 percent of the

funds have been spent. the new speaker of the house, who apparently has a history of voting against date for ukraine or increased amounts of aid for ukraine, doesn't seem to be in any hurry to come up with more funds for this proxy war. so the situation is looking rather grim. i think that the, the, the most faithful sign for zelinski himself is that there's literally a beauty pageant going on for the uh, the, the, the successor, consult zalinski at the moment. you have a lexi or a storage. yep. you know, to becoming increasingly assertive and his criticisms of the ways lensky is handled it. valerie clips go the mirror. keith, i just gave an interview in which he effectively cited with zillow's needs. the illusion is, is now openly stating that this war effort was, is a stalemate, which is uh, i think, fair say a euphemism. in fact, uh, the ukrainian military is on the verge of collapse, as far as many of us can tell us. so it seems to me that is a lensky is besieged on all sides, and that the greater threat to his survival at this moment is not russia but his

internal enemies. yeah. well, a lot of me it's very interesting is it is uh, i think the last time we spoke, which was a while ago that we mentioned that eventually they'll be the blame game. who's to blame? okay, was it, you know, the ukrainians, not following advice from nato nato supporting the wrong person? i mean, it is, this essentially tells us that there is it, we're in the, in game i the end game can last while, but we are there, vladimir. that's that's, that's the rule and that's why your. busy your game is you're a trial ball, the one the is a very correct one. the everybody now is a thinking and looking for exit strategy. everybody wants to cover the backside. we have united stage with the directions and then you know, and all this the democrats are easy because they can that, is it all good money after bad money? no. and does republicans will capitalize on that? they cannot stop. just support you need. uh, without does not say anything happening,

so they are probably thinking of some kind of i'm starting to do and since uh, uh, zalinski is connected with web on a waiting list. succeeding he some of the one i usually defined for him. i things i usually use at possible starting to do because besides the united states and nato parisha, what leaders in key of care, a breast of the, from that nationally violent sides remeasured is centered around the west of the brain, right. and the, even the numbers, they are not the big in terms of the violence and i search and they can do it. so i think people, i got a storage, they might have bills, intellectuals in the even key of but these guys, you know, up to off. so the only person to whom, who somehow inconvenienced them that we can make do with their as a some top general. so in that sense, i believe that's illusion that might be the bladder may already. so gotten mixed and goes to china type thing. is that what you're saying?

that yes. ok. i might be in, let's go back to michelle in montreal it's, it's very interesting because it gets if you have a change of a president in ukraine, then you can rationalize that, you know, he was the wrong guy. he was good at war but not ending it. he couldn't win it. and that kind of ships the narrative to the advantage of the west. well, we did all we could, michelle. uh yeah. well, um grab some, uh, uh, to uh, fast in my conclusion, but uh, it seems to me that the problem uh, with uh, the american admissions administration is that, uh, is revealed by the implication. uh you us a support for israel that this month at this time they have a hand corner you rent approach. and i think that the, they, the biggest mistake made by the americans was to interpret russian restraint

as a weakness. uh uh, before 2014 rush, i simply repeated, it's a position tomato expansion. after 2014, they were favorable to the men's cook cards before the war in december, 2021. they wanted to negotiate on the basis of the treat t, concerning european security immediately after the beginning of this special military op opperation in april 2022. they were just about to arrive to a piece deal with the ukraine. as i teach moment in time, in the escalation of the conflict, but things were interpreted by the west as a weakness on the part of russia. and that was their biggest mistake. and i think these kind of things will be revealed in the box. i have to jump in here, we're gonna have to go to a hard break that a little after that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on. you can stay with

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did you say even closer to the welcome back across stock? were all things are considered computer level to mind you were discussing you crate the okay. it's good. it's good to dimitry it in montreal at the very end of the, of our, our discussion before we went to the break. and we'll, michelle was talking about miss miss construing a so called russian weakness. i think it's a fascinating point, and i think it really hits the mark because there's been a fundamental, a misunderstanding of brush all through this. okay. every step of the way. um, old stereotypes, a south of south, what would they reveal?

their self delusions about russia. but you know, all of this discussion of, we know what, you know, going back to the hearse. the issue is that, you know, russia will accept this for this. and if they're always drawing the board and assuming what russia wants and what will it accept. and again, they're making that fundamental mistake. russia will decide what it wants when it wants, and it has nothing to do with the, the, what the conversations going on in, in the economist or time magazine, dimitri, yeah, but one thing i want to say about the seymour hersh, i, by the way, i completely agree that there was a complete misinterpretation of russia. there has been there's that this is a profound problem within the foreign policy elite of the united states. and the west generally is that they just don't understand the non western world. they barely understand the world in the world level and the northern western little, this problem extends throughout the west in the foreign policy to lead. it extends to not only rush, it extends to china, other parts of the non western world. and we've seen this in dramatic fashion now,

but they also have over estimated the capacity of the west to build the economic capacity of the west to impose its will upon countries like russia, which has a much larger economy than we are told on a purchasing power parity basis, for example, it has a, it now has a, an economy larger than the size of germany's on a nominal g d p. p basis, which is basically a meaningless, manipulative figure. it has a much smaller economy in this type of misconception of the right, the economy, economic strength of the united states is very emblematic of the foreign policy ignorance in the, in the, in the west. but i want to say one thing about the seymour hersh piece, which i found rather fascinating. the suggestion that the russian government would accept a needle membership for what remains of ukraine on condition that the west not put the nato not station forces or offensive military weapons on ukrainian territory. initially i thought that this was preposterous because it's now been admitted by the west. and it was clear from the outset to those of us who have any objectivity,

that nato was a core issue for the russian government. right. but it occurred to me that this is actually more plausible than might seem on its face. because i think the russian government may understand that the united states would have no interest whatsoever in natal membership or ukraine if it was deprived of the ability to place its forces and its offensive military weapons on russian soil. that was the whole point of needle membership for ukraine, who was never about protecting ukraine with an article 5 guarantees under the needle treaties. if it can't put their forces there and threatened russia and contain russia, then why would the united states want to take on the burden of potentially having to come to ukraine's defense in the event of a flare up and military hostilities between russia and ukraine? the whole point was to threaten russia. so i think that this actually, if it's true that this is on the table needle membership without the ability to put needle forces on ukrainian soil. i think it may be a clever play by the russian government, because i don't think that by demonstration would accept that at the end of the day

. and you'd end up with a, you are the nato at all. yeah. but vladimir, 80, any, any part of ukraine in nato, and assuming that net hershey is reporting is correct. well, it would come under article 5. and what would stop a local elite and ukraine from starting a conflict with russia, which would pull in the rest of nato? i, i, i don't me, i don't understand that. that's a trip wire. that russia would never accept in nato. foolishly should not accept. because when everything is said and done, the russians in the ukrainians are not going to sit down and shake hands. maybe for generations. vladimir, well, the age has to be c. evans a has to be calculated to be seen about what emerges from all our discussions included would meet the in, michelle said, is that very serious uh right. sequins, as opposed miscalculations on the bottom of the waste these and they. busy

originally, rash of these, all or russian capabilities, beach state department who consistently makes mistakes a, the economic, the ministry, and they view that there are several options assumptions in the camp, but they view the risers, one or human habits. michelle mentioned the israel's of age and i just recently read out of j. sullivan was saying. busy i am going to leave and he's like, if you will, they cleaned the man the an easy to change. i am really oh, that is not a big deal in the guys and nothing was happening. so they basically don't know maintenance things. they have political appointees, they appointed for various reasons, but not for the reasons of their expertise and then knowledge. i go to slide. busy confidence as i see people with my former students, they have friends who work and state department and they try to tell me i go to the rest of the frequent the see what's going on and they're telling me russia is collapsing. there is no trains of the bills, but as you know, i said, what are you talking about?

you know, i, you know, somebody was teaching, you know, no, no whatever data, what kind of data they get, what it is. but this is, this isn't that there's a talk people sitting in the top offices on the 7th floor right. busy or the city and state department, whether it's, you know, a new orleans and others, as i say, do they have political appointees in the closet with leaks. they will have to find the way to it just sort of some help protect democratic party. and it's a connection with a c, a, a which state department, and seniors of mistakes, so mississippi mistaken circulars which were there on my side of the bladder. americans lied to me. all, all of this can be easily exp, wave. it's just a good grist. it's a good grip favorites. did they do it and tracks money? you know, they allocate money for all these types of thing here that, that, that is the purpose of it. it's a, it's a money laundering operation from what i can see. so when, when the money dries up, i mean, everyone's got us in the ukraine, they're going to start say, well, who took all of the money,

then they're going to have their own problems among themselves. here. um, michelle, one of the interesting things is i think people tend to forget is that russia had proposals to avoid this conflict in december uh right before the february of and i see no reason why they're not gonna go back to them. okay. after everything has been said and done, we've already given you a proposal. let's sit down and talk about it. you stopped at it, but it's still meaningful to us. and when you think about it, it is a to germane articles. go ahead, michelle. yeah, well it could be losing face for uh, the americans. and then the way they stood there is anything serious that the proposal to recognize the ukraine as part of nato is, would be symbolically simply a symbolic gesture. it's a dog that only would not bite,

but that would not even bark. so maybe they are leaving them raised to so that they don't lose face. but the more generally again, whether i want to emphasize that the situation is israel and palestine at this moment is quite revealing. all the demonstration, all over the world are really revealing to the public that the americans are involved everywhere in yemen and the china sea in palestine. they are in the rock. they are in syria and they are also in ukraine and every, all their involvement in ukraine, which was perceived the here in north america in the west, in general. i something very noble is a crumbling right now. we're realizing that what the us are doing all over the world is not to, to do,

to come to the rescue to widows and orphans as to where it's instead that wherever i live a pass they are leaving be, i'm more are friends, and widow and you know, so i did, there is a, a p is the core seller which i know wellness of the population right now that the us are involved in, to criminal uh, with gestures all over the world. yeah. big michelle, you know, you're absolutely right. we can over the last few administrations, can they point to one foreign policy success? just one. yeah. just one. yeah. you can, you can. it's really interesting because all of us have been remembering the legacy of henry kissinger. what form policy success has been since henry kissinger? not that i'm saying he had a lot of successes where the matri let me go to you. we've seen the, the passion come out on the streets all over the world because of the what's going on and gaza and, and, but we were there is a big debate about funding it. that's in that is a, the money we'll get to is,

are all i have no worries about that for them. it shouldn't be, it should be leverage to stop the killing. but dimitry, where all the protests around the world, and want demanding the funding of the war and ukraine. you know, of any, i don't know, one where people are protesting saying more money for ukraine. my point is, dimitri, this has always been a lead to agenda. this is an elite project, dimitri absolutely, the, the entire narrative uh has evaporated. from that, i mean, for 18 months, 18 months, there was obsessive discussion in the foreign policy elite and the governor at the governmental level, at the level of the pen to talk or see in the west. you know, the people who are normally relied upon as being foreign policy experts that saving ukraine, the so called democracy of ukraine, was the highest priority and had to take precedence over everything else. if i had a dollar for every time justin to deal with the canadian prime ministers, that as long as it takes in respect to view create,

that'd be richard and bill gates. and all of a sudden the discussion has to be back rated. there's no talk whatsoever, almost no mention whatsoever. oh, well, what demetrius since i have you here? i mean it is the, is it part and parcel of the nazi problem in canada is a part of it as well? i mean, i, i always look for the opportunity to say, nazi occupied canada, cuz i like the way it rolls off my tongue. go ahead, dmitri, i guess the, you know, the double standing ovation for a board member of the watson s s, and the canadian parliament has to stand is one of the most disgraceful moments to rich. and in a way, from a political perspective. it's tragic, of course, what's happening in israel and palestine, but from a political perspective, it saved the canadian government because the conversation shifted almost immediately to what's happening there. but that was really, it wasn't simply symbolic. it is, uh, it was the latest scandal in a long line of canadian government support for far,

right. the elements within canadian side society and, and ukraine and elsewhere, frankly. and now all of this is being buried under the rug. and what we're talking about is israel and palestine because nobody wants to come to terms and the western politically with the disaster they have created and ukraine. and for all i, i, we're, we're out of time gentlemen. but all i can say is the canadian people deserve so much better than they have from this man. okay. i always take an opportunity to take a swipe it to go. if i have a gentleman that's all the time we have a want to thank my guests in montreal and in paris. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time. remember, most of the, [000:00:00;00]

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