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say as far as with israel's ex justice minister or the mass slaughter of palestinians and the mass general fancy and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the middle east. as u. k, u s u armed israel has continued the killing and gaza, the westbank lebanon, and syria, with abiding administration, declaring no red lines for his royal. what can stop thousands more from being killed? joining me to someone who has been in the israeli government as the justice minister and deputy foreign minister, former us back peace plan negotiator and an architect to the 1993. also,

of course you'll see bailey and joins me from tel aviv. thanks so much. you'll see for coming on the violence of being continuing for a weeks. of course. i mean, how many more people do you think joined, come us for every bomb dropped on gaza and do you think it's an issue that concerns me is riley, in effect coalition government as well. i don't know. the well does concern them with all due respect. they, as you know me for a few years. time is thorn supposition produced a government. i hope that after the world there, we lay there will end the day and the beverly, this is what will happen, but these, you asked me about a joining come mazda as a result of the day of the conflict. now. okay, i'm sure that you are right. i mean, usually in such a situation you'll see the people identifying a weekday. we decide sometimes we did the suit the side. sometimes it is one side.

but it cannot be a reason to allow us to remain the government in gaza. and that is the main point. i mean, they ensure that they was filled in with the end of del governing garza because they are doing oh, phone things to that is. so is it to this is surrounding police, right? and to the arab countries. we sometimes a shy to say openly, but i'm sure that you know, we, the entire schools know it because i'm getting very many phone calls for people on the phone they are. but if juniors and for may others in the region know who say don't give up, don't give up. you all. fighting for all of us to a to the mission is to just destroy the present device leadership. because if indeed it is an issue that you agree with and so forth from us as a bodies surging, getting the westbank full of the wiring. yeah, so it's increasing the normally we,

we that, i mean, we didn't go in situation. i can understand dicky to is that, but not for long. i mean, if people see that this guys is under a no my a rule or not a, but i know these is zillow's, they're really just and, and, and i'm, and i'm ended surging in the west bank. not only i know i reaction to you between gauge white, i'm sure because they're watching tv and seeing what is happening to their budgeting and i can understand it. but i don't think that it will go full long because they the ones they see this day, the situation. any guys after the world, even though would be, it was the see if it would be the b o, o and the will. they keep it, they, they, they the leadership and in guys, hopefully ne, rarely sense a identification. we change though, and then we understand that what was that mean guys?

that was, it must of course there is a, a, a list or a full. i mean voice people in gaza, which is really very popular magic, but please give me a not the solution for the current a situation. i still the 7th, when we know what they can do, and we know that they can retail, and we know that it is a must likely to ice the seeing the bus. to put an end to end situation will by 8, the 8 is zillow. it's like them i'll governing an area. i want to give their own devices in a moment, but to us for solution daily. the solution that argued for by the u. a. russia, china is an immediate cease fire and some kind of negotiations in the neutral country. that's not directly involved in the conflict doesn't that's the solution

as the, as all was except save world war 2. what is it? the 1st with this will usually you'll have 2 sides, which are, it will end, but they are ready to negotiate a behind the scenes publicly for what the eval. and usually people like by says, all you all says well sales. well, this is the best solution, the compromise between them every day does a win win. you either will. very said, but now fit together, make peace between uses, and that's the end of the story. or the only problem is how mazda is not to do. i mean, i wanted to talk to people the forms on my smoke now ending the last use for the people like me. oh, the worst enemies. because they don't want to, i like to stay in solution. they don't want to have these wireless around. they don't want to have to use it. yes, i thought i lost that except to the 1967. the board is i'm what is behind it

literally. you know, this is very, very in bold when they became so cause moderate and said okay, was be satisfied for the time being with the 67 volt as they never said, we do. because each one doesn't exist full of them. you know, usually let's resolution like that. thank you very much. i don't think this. maybe it was a start and maybe it was a starting point. but what is this continuous thoughtful that'd be done? what do i get to talk with me about the not do i get to talk with any is really about be the most part this if they say that, imagine that the most say tomorrow. now, after so many use, we are ready to talk to these various will are ready to the 2 state solution and the liberal, negotiate about the bowl down, refugees, your name, me. i could imagine get that quote,

be kind of system motion despite all what happened in the past. okay. does that mean? you know, this week was the 10 years since nelson mandela died? you know, how many people say that it's in a box. i'd states a israel, nelson mandela, refused to negotiate unless the release of the amc prison is guilty of blowing up restaurants frequented by whites in the africa. right. is that normally power is, i mean, which was 9 when you, when you lift the prison was released i'm us want all, it's a business. they went through all the prisoners or they call them hostages, l bays real released but not for from us. i mean, the don't want it from us. we ask, they don't stop. no, no, no, no, not until they're the prism of the palestinian prisoners are released by his rep is just as good and see that he won't if you'll get a quote today. well, they are saying release or the prism is indo willard and will be to talk to you

well, know the game. i'm just creating the conditions for talking with me. well that's what nelson mandela did, and that's how peace eventually happened in south africa. what do you think if i was a friend of mine from estimates on monday, i don't compare them by and i interviewed him here and that was his clear. ok. but it was when he was released to the negotiations of the united nations under secretary, if you have to believe that the adult thought most sloan investigations now i, i'm just, i'm just doing the interviewing here. and i'm saying that the last. so i'm telling you, if they say we are ready, if only goes to i just, we do so at least i still though it is before though it is well as though this is another board game, even after the 7, the october, the 7th. because i don't believe for any revenge the but they are not saying, well there was a little that prism is a laser as well as know payment right to is due to exist. the day was big, the price on the $1.00,

but each. okay. not doing all the took only all the to release. i will, you know, 10 months babies. well down the keeping the phone was full was go something so that nobody in the world will regarding the october the 7th. what do you think of all this information that is totally coming out that the sexual crimes were being uh, evidence is being promoted by this group. zacko. i don't know who that is. it's. i understand founded by a rapist, gave me a break. i don't want even to ask you about these people don't believe that these, these 4 women, oil heat and right then whatever i'm looking to seek permission to drove them that they are wrong. they don't want to believe. so the remote page, but what they did the women themselves appealed and said we were raped. okay, was it? no, no, no, no, no, but you know, 2 of our games, but what do you make of 2 valence comp,

other secure from the security team for cable? it's very telling her ets is really forces killed. is there any jews in october? the 7th? the idea of cold for ariel strikes have killed his riley's ok. make. make sure it is true and all the a lot of 1200 people who will keep it on the 7th of october when people use ratings . but why is that not on? it's actually in the israeli press, but it's not in the breads in the united states and i believe that it is 100 percent right now. you will crazy. please raise, you know, obviously not hold a well on the bill. we did our service we raped, i will says, no, i invented which i don't think there was any evidence of rainbow on either side, isn't it? but there's no evidence to those that's coming up. you know, i, i don't want to, i, of course it goes that's good to isis. let's get to take you to the bait. let's get to ice because you mentioned ices. and because somebody doesn't want to believe that drug took these,

which took place then was the matter belief it's presenting the evidence is presenting the evidence isn't good. so it is, it is a joyce, univision. what is or what happened on october? the 7th was, is why no, the only source in the sunday times, for instance, in the past few days, was this a group. zach and i understand it was founded by a rapist himself. yeah. who dom issues will kill himself. but let's get to isis. and the, the ice is fights is, uh, what was this rails position on isis? because didn't israel back the so called rebel groups in syria? do we have video of nothing? yeah. who visiting isis fighters in 2014 heretics again times of is very little thing is, are alarmed and funded 12 groups. you'll want me to be the spokesman from it that you all know. i know you don't like them, you know, a supporter of the name, but his job is please no, no, but is with you. i know you. i know that you are

a very serious person and the joint at least, and i don't want to participate in such a dialogue that somebody is what i'm thinking is that god believe that that there was no rate that there was most advent of october. there was no such as, oh no, no, no they, no, no, no it, no, no they, i, i, pretty sure the people say they are cited as the evidence in british newspapers for the evidence for rape taking place and sexual crimes on october the 7th. clearly. but that's okay, let's go to gaza right now. let's go to gaza right now. what do you think about israel's isolation in the international community? as well as the former deputy minister of foreign affairs in the is there any government the full mer? uh, is there any minister of justice diploma is randy minutes or we could all make some planning. the fullness spokesman with the is there any labor, buddy?

the former a is really minister in the prime minister's office of israel. you'll see band ended the interview more from going on, the ground up to the stroke, right the the, the welcome back to going on the ground. in the 1st off we spoke to former israeli justice minister. you'll see bailey and who terminated the interview about gaza. but in the hours of thursday

morning this week, the legendary british poets and writers who addressed global political injustice, benjamin's f, and i died at the age of 65. here was one of the last interviews he did with us on this show. benjamin, thanks for being on going on the ground again while we have the premises studio in east london. and what is the revolutionary mines and the toy, the album, the track? well, the track on the album i guess is about to the resolution that i think we need now not necessarily one where people types of space and all that stuff without it. sometimes i think we need a bit of that. but more about trying to get people to think differently. i'm, i'm just convinced that the old way of doing stuff is just redundant and i know you hear that from like the pod to people then hearing of change, you know. yeah, yeah. and on a lot. but, you know, i've said to you before, you know, i feel economic just and that's the only way i can describe myself now, because i look at so many otherwise people have tried. and i think that will letting us down in one way or another. i mean, go to find a new way. i don't know what the name of it is. i'm not telling people have

developed. i'm just trying to say, think outside the box. you know, when i show we rad, located, that's the drill minister. must have phonics, even mainstream stuff like storms. if you're on this music tour, i mean, i channel the bbc and channel for in britain. and they often have debates about whether it's music that's part of the problem. as regards a really can only the violence, stereotypes is between the of a crash music. as far as i've seen as not my people on implies, music does not put people into bad habits. in music has not left kids on the street hungry music does not cost homelessness. music is trying to reflect those things, the release of jailing or suspended sentences. certainly for musicians. drill music in the south london, starting south on the 9th national. that's being blamed for the rise and serious view drive. i know the artist that to drill music and what used to be cold road

music and driving music. and a lot of them are very tragic people. but i live in a very hostile environment and they just reflecting the reality. and that's when i started creating music, it was a reggae music. and we were talking about unplug unemployment. we took that bubble on the system. it was thing, that's what it was doing to a stop was already oddity, is a wonderful that i'm sorry for quotes hitting it might seem several typical sort of guy with dreadlocks to be quoted. another guy who had lots to do with an interview and somebody was interviewed by molly and setting up, why is your work so political then you just didn't understand the quite angry that it was what the thing was, the pin number could you just for? i'm just writing it by my reality. i'm just writing it by the way we live. i more thing about the why we self. i'm writing about the why be a policed, you know, i'm writing about the way colonialism is affecting me. if it doesn't sit down and go, and i'm going to write political music and i don't think, you know, i'm drill artist because i'm going to write really drilling music to upset people

and cause violence. this is a reality. you jimmy cliff is on this show around the time the most cell environment story started to emerge. and obviously he was suitably angry. but since to raise a man, the disgrace comes. i could for example, right. i think she might be running definitely to this as she went, we mean having caribbean families on the show to hear about people who are in their eighties, who never traveled abroad. who are people with rather deportation, even look and go to funerals. there's not debts in jamaica, often deportation. i mean it surprises us here. going on to you. you've been talking about issues to do with the migration and racism for longer. did it surprise you in 1990 for april 1993. try god and it was killed. she was killed by an organizing called extradition squad. that was a squad that used to go around and deport people. she was in the house with her son

and they came. and i'm going to quote, my own poetry. they put a live about around for a to see, to type them down a 100 clips to secure her. and only god knows what else she's illegal. so the poor to us that the empire that brought to she died, nobody killed the. she never killed herself, as it is, i would jump to make a return to jamaica, so the alien deport as the default. people like me. the problem is much longer than that. i wrote that in 1990 free. you know, this has been going on for years. i used to travel to jamaica and i remember ones around the same time, probably be early and a to getting on a plane behind me. there was a woman in handcuffs. i meant you saw me to recognize mrs. green benjamin benjamin, helped me please help me. and i said, what's the problem to day deporting me, deporting me? i came to england when i was 6 months old. they send him back to jamaica. i don't

know. jamaica probably helped me help me. i must like desktop to sit and talk with her. the police a said back off sick time. i'm all food to fright. to jamaica. i could hear a cry. it just wouldn't let me go near. so we've known about this for us. this is the 21st century and the these lights are going on. i don't know why you're so surprised. no, it doesn't surprise me. and it's very sad that it doesn't surprise me, but it doesn't surprise me. not much has changed. and certainly when it comes to kind of an immigration, there was no time in the home of business. when the home of his said a stop, you're going to have a look at this and um, and do something about it. they just be tweaking is an under the same thing, is that the tweaking it in the wrong direction, the not creating an environment for these people to feel the whole, the creating

a hostile environment. that's not a word of listening to a bicycle for him, but the words would you raise a man? yes we just recently we've had 5 people killed in jamaica and i heard from another one just a couple of days ago of to deportation. yes. of to be palletized and i'm one guy that has gone back. he came here while he was young, but time he had to drive in the fence and they sent him back and he said, all his neighbors think he's a rapist and emerge out because some employees that we don't need the port in right this the mattress i need i need, i need to been deposited on a drive and offense, i don't know about you, but i have a drive in defense, you know, be get pockets because of the kind of speed it takes all the time. either you look so we knew, so i don't know how to drive it to the best of you being very a big campaign or about the change goes islands, maybe be maybe remember and don't know much about it. well, why were you involved, and what did you make of this court ruling that the british government seems to be ignoring the britain as to release its imperial control of these islands in the

pacific? well, 1st of all, what you said is, rights. every time i write or talk about these islands, i get feedback from people's i never heard of it. could this really have happened? and that's why i talk about it. so i outrages what happened to those island. and when it comes to the previous government, ignoring the quotes rulings well, that shows you about some people talked about the rule of law. that's fine until it's an inconvenience for them. and then they just ignore it, especially when it comes to to tell us island. because it's not really in the headlines. i mean, i think at the moment a lot of important things in purchase or international politics. but i'm speaking from a business perspective. i'm not in the headline because he is so overwhelmed with breakfast and the government to get away with a lot of things because of that. i mean, if you go and question time something on

a few times and i bought, that's what they were telling me that it's not current use. you know, if, if it's not in the papers, nice thought it'd be shut down and who decides what is called us and what's not going. i mean, the, the birth of a royal baby. oh. now you're not going to tell me that media seriously called you up to comment on the oil, maybe in terms of its identity, both as race, imperialism kind of context. just some, when, when the baby was out in a day old and i, well this is a very important moment and i, history. now i am flooding. look, i'm just not interested. and the revolutionary mind is don't give it time when a baby in the policy is bull. and i'm really not interested to, but what do you think is going through the minds of the kinds of journalists that immediately think, oh, it could be a black, maybe uncle benjamin's if and i don't i,

it's very difficult to get into that to the mind of somebody think that there's some, some gen or some media people who think that, you know, uh benjamin's us. and i, uh, i can be andrews a call uh um for hers. um, these are the spokes people for the black community to, i mean they were trying to be we just, we have our point of view and recreate the poetry or whatever. and we have a point of view, but we never time to speak for the black community. we're. none of us are experts on black people, but they seem to think we uh, you know, i mean i've had worse things and i had an interview during the day with a lady kind of reached out to me the same. so benjamin, tell me what is it like to be black? i should remember. so that's good, i can, i mean, how do i answer that? okay, just i just thought of something that would be what judy is on just in bell much prisons, a good time to move prisons in this country. what do you make him when he leaks in

to a situation regarding julia doesn't? you know, i really don't know that much about him. but as soon as i started to hear about these words, suddenly i find the fort. in fact, it would in this way. the idea of somebody who says there's all the stuff that's hidden from you. and i'm going to show you, if i'm going to give it to you left, right? and center is a kind of person. i've always wanted to see, you know, what i've always, i've always felt that there's so much that we just don't know about. and here's somebody's kind of putting it in the public domain. one thing that really upsets me is that we don't hear about all of the stuff that they putting as i sold a film of american soldiers shooting innocent people in the street. you know,

this is big news. these are the kinds of things that the people of my country, the people that well should know about. these are the kind of things that these people get up to. there's a lot of po, chain money to one of my tracks on the album. it's is called in this world and there's a line that you could to fight to do. then it says i'm, we live in a world where people who expose corruption and illegal activities and governments become the ones who are persecuted and onto down. we live in a well, the bows of expos, violations of the law of himself, violated by the law. and i really think that's what's happening to him. generally about cool down because people talked with the privatization of stress being mental illness. obviously there's a sturdy, obviously there's the kind of revolutionary of, on demonstrations, uprisings what, what is, what's just on cool down about. it's about young people. and i got a site was originally written about 10 years ago. it's about young people on the streets here. what kind of killing themselves at my isn't guns. fighting because of

this kind of postcard was there was a side case of a diabetic kidney, just sitting outside stuff is facing. a guy comes out to me. says what ends are you from? you didn't even answering suspecting that he came from another place, shutting. um i do think sometimes it is overblown. intimate. yeah. but i do know parents who have lost their children that way. so for them it's a very serious thing. i have to be at a funeral just a couple of weeks ago, a very similar story. and so it was a message to van 5 over a site and that in the kind of society we live in. no, it's natural to be angry. you know, it's what you do with that and when you just start giving your neighbors and your brothers and sisters, you're directing, getting the wrong way front front and wrote about it is kind of sometimes when people contact the people that read it, pressing and they start to think that themselves,

and i think that's what's happening. benjamin stuff and i that who died in the early hours of that 1st day morning. that's it for the show. and condolences from the whole team you're going underground to the thousands of very families here in the middle east will be back on monday here in host of golf to and had to buy with you a former climate change and environment minutes to dr. bill about life on the way, me until then keep in touch by role as social media. if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch on, we're going underground tv, all normal. don't come to watch, new and old episodes of going underground. see you monday, the, the russian states never as tired as on the most sense community. best english.

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the now is the time to make decisions. i will run for the post of president of the russian federation, bladder report and confirm he will be running for re election in 2024. if successful it would be his 3rd consecutive term as russian presidents and 5th. overall, the dozens are killed and wounded in and is rarely attack on a residential building located near the palestine red crescent society headquarters in garza's ton unit and the us to veto the un security council resolution calling for an immediate cease fire in gaza as over $17000.00 civilians are killed in his really attacks on the palestinian on claim.