the, the, [000:00:00;00] the, the,

the acceptance, and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show. search like why watch something that's so different whitelisted or opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do you have the state department, the c, i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't marshall stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, it's not. we don't want to watch it because it might just change the way inside the

the hello, i'm manila, chad. you are tuned into modus operandi and repented and unapologetic centenary and statesman henry kissinger, died at his home on november 29th, 2023, his name forever ashton, to the history books all around the world. for better or worse, henry kissinger was arguably america's most influential diplomat. this week we'll take a look back at this historical figure and the policies he implemented that shape the world as we know it today. all right, let's get into the m o, the hitting that 100 birthday is a celebratory milestone. few ever seen. but for a heinz alford kissinger. better known as henry. it was

a birthday locked by 6 all over the internet. love him or hate them. henry kissinger left an indelible mark on the world warning bavaria to a jewish family. in 1923, his family fled nazi germany in 1938 for the united states. as a naturalized citizen, young henry joined the west military father in world war 2 and later became an academic at harvard university, completing everything from undergrad through his ph. d, there in the early 19 fifties, he took his 1st job and government back in 1951 while he was completing his master's program. and it would seem never to leave. and he's played a role in every us administration ever since both officially and unofficially advising everyone from nelson rockefeller to hillary clinton. he even perhaps with tragic irony to comb the 1973 nobel peace prize. despite his expansion of the

vietnam war, henry kissinger shaped the world across 2 centuries, the back half of the 20th and the 1st quarter of the 21st. passengers, policies and actions are so wide, reaching that historians are still learning about all of it today. all right, joining us to reflect on kissinger as policies and legacies, will bring in an expert in the field. peter cusick is a renowned professor of history at american university, author of a number of books and contributed to the fantastic doctor series called me and told history of the united states directed by oliver stone professor goose neck. always fascinating conversation with you who's better to discuss this topic venue. thank you for being with us. thank you for having me. so professor henry kissinger has a complicated and complex legacy to put it mildly,

the father of real politics. as many credit him even calling him perhaps original maga, maybe even an opportunist at a 100 years old. it's safe to say he was among some of the last of, of that and generations. diplomats 1st your top line thoughts on his passing and his legacy. it's interesting. the way the discussion of kissinger's life has been going in the media since is passing. there is some root canal. busy of him, a brilliant statesman, a scholar of visionary thinker. and there are many to consider him to be a work criminal, a man with a massive amount of blood on his hands. i put myself in the 2nd category. i think cag kissinger. kissinger betrayed everything. that was good about the american ideal kissinger saw

a power exercise power. it was ruthless. nothing would stand in his way. and at a personal level, there was something almost nauseating about him where he would condemn next in public late by form all over him privately and hey, understood what richard dixon was. but yet he sucked up to him in ways that were really embarrassing humiliating. yep. people see him is this great statesman and a fact of the 19 seventy's. it's hard to believe. he was even considered a sex symbol. it was dating all these starlets right. it. you know, he was the one who said that power is the greatest aphrodisiac. and so you know that there is this on only the good die young? wow, wow!

it gives you didn't die yog off? well, there you have it. i think that's a, a pretty fair assessment. um, by a pop culture and the reference there. now, you know, kissinger as, as we've noted, has been around the politics for so long. it is actually hard to find a foreign policy matter that didn't at least have his influence or his fingerprints on it, on this back half of the 20th century. but perhaps chief among those criticisms was scuttling an earlier end of the vietnam war. and of course, the expansion of the secret war in laos and cambodia and in cambodia is case this bombing campaign later resulted in the rise of pull pot and the come air rouge of slaughter a quarter of cambodia as population as history. now tell us it was used as you know, sometimes us on again off again, ally talked with

a little bit about his policy as it pertains to that region of southeast asia. it was a harvard professor to hi, he advised kennedy and johnson and ministrations. and the 1968 when richard dixon was running against hubert humphrey. he played both sides. i hate told humphrey he was going to give him access to all of nelson rockefeller's files on nixon, is that i always hated nixon. but with nicks and they play the other side, garcia, there was the go. she actually is going on in paris to end the vietnam war. and 1968. it was already been a horrible difficult, but it got the last, it's another almost 7 years actually. uh, and he got information from the insiders who negotiating in paris,

and he said it to nixon and nixon was able to use it to sabotage to undermine the negotiations. they told that you government that he would be much more supportive, much friendlier, that they shouldn't negotiate with that the north vietnamese and given to those terms, the final terms that the united states negotiated 5 years later and 1973 were very, very similar to what we could have gotten in 1968, but they would have bins, tens of thousands of americans more alive. and it would have been probably $1.00 to $2000000.00 vietnamese more alive. and we don't realize that. but had robert mcnamara come into my class a few years ago, mcnamara said that mcmahon was a former secretary defense. that was also considered the architect of the vietnam. more american marriage said that he accepted that 3800000 in viet nam may just died

in that fighting 3800000 and kissed dry the hand in a lot of that. and so when the he and nixon get in there, they immediately have this very, very aggressive policy operation, doc hook, which is going to be a massive bombing policy that was described as a savage bobby policy. and there were even options for use of nuclear weapons. unfortunately, there was such huge protest in the fall of 1969 that nixon was forced to or is actual. yeah. was it that the fall that next was forced to abandon that policy, but kissinger was all in on this viciously savage policy. but everything about the vietnam war was average and then later the united states is going to begin bombing the north again. so the kissinger's policy with nick's in was one of the vietnam ization. the idea was, if we can po,

most the american troops out and let the vietnamese take over a. meanwhile, we'll just try to bomb them back to the stone age. that would be the best, the united states to get away with their and yeah, what it is, is one of the worst atrocities in human history. now we, we, we did. yeah, absolutely. i mean, it was rumored that his orders were to take down anything that moves or anything that flies at all gets shot then. yeah. what you're referred to, as you mentioned before, is that the united states had been bombing in laos since 1964. but that accelerated enormously under kissinger and nixon. and we also be and bombing in cambodia, supposedly to test drive a north vietnamese sanctuaries in cambodia. and the amount of bombing that we did in those 2 countries is,

was truly obscene. and what if it didn't destroy allows entirely, but it did destroy the foundation of cambodia. and the more we bottom, the more they compare rouge as a i recruited. and then the commodities took over at a time when the fabric of cambodian society had been totally rent asunder. and what we saw as a result was risk genocide. perhaps 2000000 people died really as a result of american policy, kissinger's policy, kissinger over so gives you over saw the bombing and vietnam and the pick targets. i mean, there was so much blood on this guy's hand, that for him to be considered a brilliant statesman and a social lied. who is always an advisor to all the presidents and hob nob with everybody in society. is really a reflection on the lack of basic decency and many circles of us policy policy

major. i agree ever. it probably speaks to the moral corruption here in, in washington, dc. and now, professor, while many would actually place this guy in the camp of cold warrior, you know, with his staunch position against the ussr, he was anti communist and all of that, why would he be the one to move toward? they talk with china. i mean landing president nixon in beijing in 1972, setting up this architecture for modern day us china relations. a couple of things is to consider their number one. he wasn't the one who suggested at 1st. the gall has suggested that kind of rob publish mode with china. the kissinger saw it as a way to separate china from russia. much is today,

us policy makers are trying to figure out ways to drive a wedge between russia and china. kissinger saw this as a way to do that back in the 1970s. and there was already a lot of tension between the soviet union and china. so it gets, it just nearly exploded that the driving force behind that policy. and a lot of regards was dixon, more than much even more than kissinger, helen thomas, giving that american university a few years ago, said the kitchen as it gets credit bill is really next is policy just wondered any word china was. so i'm not sure how accurate that is, but they saw it as a way to separate drive, a wedge between russia, the soviet union and china. and it succeeded in that regard. and then later it, kissinger does a push for daytime, with the soviet union also. so,

i mean, there are some things that he achieve that we might say has a positive impact. but if you look at our balance overall of this man's career and what he represented, the negatives overwhelmingly outweigh the positives. you know, that sort of like people saying, you know, hitler was trying to his grandchildren or help them with good with, with kids. you know. yeah. maybe that's true. i don't know. yeah. he loved the paint apparent other. forgive is other crimes. yeah, exactly. he loved to paint and he was a vegetarian. yes. that doesn't really quite make up for it. does it professor? oh, don't go anywhere a lot more to talk with you about. alright, coming up next we'll look at kissinger as role in chalet and other latin american countries. we're going to discuss it all when we return with peter cruz. accept type sam. oh,

we'll be right back. the the i really thought that we were going to die. i crawled all the way to the right another and then i hid behind the board and business has to continue to stick with the system. basically we want to make sure that certain too dangerous for

a regular civilian should be in the hands of those people who are in st. that's for stake nowhere the welcome back to the m. o. i'm a no a chance professor peter cruz dick is back with us. thank you for sticking with us professor. so let's just hop right to it because there's obviously a lot of talked about when it comes to this man. henry gives near. let's move away from asian for a moment and had to latin america for as much as washington likes to harper about democracy and human rights. under kissinger's watch and his careful direction. the 20th century sol,

brutal dictatorships be installed across south america who were friendly to the us, but certainly not a boons or human rights. many say today's influx of spanish speaking migrants can be traced back to kissinger as policies that be stabilized. much of that content, can you give us sort of a birds eye view on his role in latin america? a good it, as the most egregious example of what kissinger did was any really, this was very much hands on and his policy was over throwing the end a government and see why i and they got elected as a democratic socialist and 1970 and from the very start, kissinger was at kissinger struck, endeavoured to overthrow a. yeah. and i replaced him with the eventually the brutal dictator. augusta piano. shay. and this happens really early on. in fact,

even nixon was thinking about trying to find some kind of reproach month with a young day. but next kissinger sabotaged that kissinger, made sure that wasn't going to happen. and then when i young day and night to 72 goes before the united nations and give that speech that was so powerful about the suffering of people in latin america at the hands of the united states. you and a bachelor was george w bush. he'd been rose and shared a lot with everybody else because it was so powerful. but uh yeah, and a really signed his own death warrant with that speech. and then the united states intensified its operations there. and the guy ran the crew that killed the, that top of the yeah. and the yeah. and they killed themselves with the rightful.

that was given him as a gift by fidel castro and united states imposed, you know, shay and no shade was a bloody dictator who maintain power there and the case and your bent over backwards to support pino shape. so even though this was the normally popular, progressive democratic, the government there that was ruling the interest of the people that she like instead of the united states, kissinger was eager to destroy it. and he did it. he knew that was no strategic significance to, to a, a comment that, that she liked is a dagger pointed at the heart of an article that was very kissinger's words. he knew was now strategically se, vivian. but he also understood that it could represent an example of what other countries in latin america could do. so if she like to become

a democratic socialist republic, them why couldn't argentina and bolivia, and to all these other countries. so that was why he went about to destroy it. uh and uh, cuz dixon was happy to go along. but if you follow the dialogue between the 2 of them, it is truly outrages how open they were about what the united states was doing. and we followed that up with the dirty war and argentina, and they were tens of thousands more killed in argentina with the us hands all over it. but it wasn't only that. there was also operation condo or now this was an attempt by the right wing intelligence officials throughout latin america to eliminate the dissidence and they killed some of the lights, 13000 dissidence. these were labor leaders, or the arbiter reformers,

royal reformers. anybody who was seen as an opposition in latin america was vulnerable and they went about and the united states supported death squads around latin america. this is not gonna be the end of it in reagan is going to double down on all of this. and in many ways, reagan is going to focus more on central america, where a lot of those immigrants, the united states come from. but it gets inger was thinking about central and south america and a trail of blood, a trail of killing a trail of atrocities. a trail of rage across latin america was in large part kissinger's doing? yeah, the, the, the case of i and a, i always think of the godfather movies where the scene with the forces had, it was kind of serving as a, as a warning shot to everybody else if you will. so professor here, state side, the political establishment in d, c r r,

i would say all in lock step in their esteem and regard for kissinger, regardless of their party affiliation, every post, every secretary of state and every high ranking official over the last 4050 years have all wrapped on his door for consultation. i mean, literally until his final days, henry kissinger enjoyed a very lucrative post governmental career without having to answer to the public. as though retired from the government. i think it's fair to describe him almost as a meritus secretary of state, or even a shadow one, despite history proving to us that his id, ology, and his policies had negative consequences all around the world. so in that sense, kissinger lives on, doesn't he, i mean, in, in that the school a real politic has generations of followers. now,

kissinger was agitated by anthony blinking samantha power. many people who professed to be believe so strongly in human rights, which was a concept that was totally alley indications here. he never supported human rights is supported power, geo political advantage domination setting the example showing that how ruthless the united states could be if you pressed it. and if you challenged any of us for august was anywhere. and kissinger was in many ways brilliant. and he did have an understanding of history and he saw the interconnections between what happens one area and what happens potentially in other areas. and it wasn't going to allow progressive forces to get a foothold anywhere if he could prevent it. and we'd look what he did in support in the nations against the to maurice, you know, again,

20 percent 25 percent of the team or is killed with us support. we look what he did and support in the practice. danny's, i guess are deleon's, but what becomes ultimately bangladesh, millions of people, apparently killed as a result of that least hundreds of thousands. then there's a certain kind of ruthlessness. but if you can do it with a german accent, maybe, you know, you could really learn the original german. i gave him an advantage. but, you know, you don't, it's hard to understand the appeal of a man who, who is responsible for so much killing during his lifetime. and, but he's being a bit as related and embraced and celebrated by many, many people as it is a lot of biding president biden likes to say that is going on now is

a struggle between autocracy and democracy, but the london economist got it right. they said, well, we call the stroke to, you know, talk, we're seeing democracy. most of the world sees a struggle between autocracy and hip. parker's e. l is that had parkway, se of what the united states, the american empire has represented throughout its history since world war 2, but especially beginning with vietnam and then the afghanistan and iraq. and maybe we can go through the whole litany. and the kissinger was up to his eyebrows in that kind of worldview, that legitimize that, that sanction that, that even celebrated. it talked about american, you know, america's role in the world that america's vision kissinger did not share any of the positive vision of a franklin roosevelt of a henry wallace of

a jack kennedy in the last year of his presidency. jimmy carter in the 1st 2 years of his presidency before he becomes totally a captive of brzezinski. i mean this was an. busy in thinking person who learn certain lessons from what he saw going on in nazi germany. and he learned all the wrong lessons. and i think that's the tragedy. yeah, and i feel like this school of thought will continue for many more generations to come. because like you said, it's bi partisan ad relation for henry kissinger here in washington. professor peter could next. thank you so much for your expertise. he of course peter, because nick is a professor of history and director of nuclear studies institute. thank you so much for that. expert insight professor, you know, all right, that is going to do it for this episode and modus operandi. i the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila chan. thank you so much for tuning and we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o,

the acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do they have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't want my show state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction. but again,

you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living online. we have a very quick propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is,

will be the drums and shedding of the streets and alleys of your body accomplish the incessant palm, baldwin rings. 5 explosions and sorrow shrugged. really scotched everywhere. devali, a refugee camp in northern gaza is hit by idea of selling and raise with the latest reported by the policy in red, crescent, in and dangerous, and proximity to an unwrapped medical clinic. the also ahead audio video is allegedly showing captured palestinian prisoners cause very online image washed and over their authenticity and claims. they were states with events with use the resolution, the security council. it was locked by the states brazil introduced and now the