the, the the the, you know, deal, i'm tempted to say that we've had a, a really long day. very important and a test conversation of the china. my neck was a little bit. steph. high value, our conversation is perma. you understand each other clearly leader to leader. right. they stay with us up next on prospect. peter lavelle and his guests discuss the fake news lies and deception that has become the norm, the

the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk, where all things are considered 19 or a little western. the leads are in a state of panic. the world is crumbling before the rise. they resort to fake news

lies and deception. instead of talking about the american back genocide and gaza, we're told anti semitism at home is ramping, or the trump is a tyrant when they themselves resort with ordinary means to undermine democracy. the discuss these issues in mor, i'm joined by my guess george, send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast or ethic as well, which can be found on youtube and locals and emeritus. we have martin j e as in award winning journalist and commentator digital and cross up roles and the fact that means can jump and tell me one. and i always appreciate it and start out with georgia in budapest. i suppose there's not much debates anymore. the public sphere has just been so co, completely corrupted work. war is peace, peace is war. and if you hate someone there, the next tebler, i mean, so it's really boring. it's kind of

a manic in way of looking at the world. it tells us our media is so silos that people only will listen to what they want to hear. i mean, we, we, we saw the saga over the, over the week with the american university presidents, you know, i, uh, do you condemn of mine has a do support genocide which are obviously completely ridiculous. questions to be asking. a lot of other important questions aren't being asked george, but in this environment we live in. i mean, it almost makes a caricature of mccarthyism. george. there's no question um, and it's a mazda full, uh, changing of the subjects of something that an american media and of course, american policy makers. and the thing thing because of a very good a doing. when you don't want to talk about one thing, you change the subject and talk about something else. so, we see we have more or more evidence that this war in your brain has been mazda

minded from the beginning by the united states. and this little ally or poppy or whatever you want to call it, they the united kingdom on. and so we see what the, what goes on every day in gaza. it's a, it's, it's for risk and we see out of the, well, the react the, we have a vote in the united nations in which the 13 members vote for ceasefire. the united states, um, uh, you know, rejects that, you did, i did, gave them again app stay ins as well. do the american media. it's all good. what's the big issue? what's the, what's, what's the, the, the really solely in math that we have to address rather than to anti semitism uh, in the united states. and of course, there isn't really any evidence the present for that is just as a they don't have anything. so you're just making it up. and it's very similar to

what we went through in 2017 when we had the off the effects of the shop victory by trying. but you know, in a different way the shop uh, breaks it both. well, what, how do we explain this? what do i, what, what, what do we talk about now? oh, i think i can be the lead small the, you know, we didn't, we didn't do anything wrong. so therefore it had to be rush or rush, or would this something, you know, it's on the, you know, matching ations but one of time what it is they did, but i'm sure will find out again for that. so yeah. what, what, what, what's this, this is all about? oh, it's and to some it is, well, we'll just make it up. you know, we will, we'll wake up what, what, what this anti semitism is, but we'll just keep repeating it. and then when, when the new york times rates is on the washington post, we'll beat them under the atlantic and everybody else. and then it just becomes an echo chamber. we're talking about something that is a part of the real, but it's totally made up. yeah, well, but the wrinkle in all of this martin is that or that many orthodox jews, particularly in the united states,

do not recognize the state of israel. they think it's a, a, it's a fake. it is historical expression. it has nothing to do with their religion judaism and they find zine is them to be a part you could tell there's a lot of bins. railways they'd be of exactly the same way. so if i guess there, if i said lights huh mattress. yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a really convenient, really cheap throw away, provocative polemic attack on anybody who has an opinion. anybody has an opinion, you know, and, and that's been an egypt response for such a long time. now i'm told is absolutely right about the big media. i'm political organizations using it to change the subject to, you know, to georgia list away from what they should be writing about, you know, and the real, the real story in both stein, which is a daily real um, absolutely, um,

apocalyptic genocide was being carried out by israel and how we can effect this in years to come is what i want to know how we're going to re cups and re edit this whole thing like a hollywood movie. i'm present it to our children or grandchildren under university professors. and historians general this and say, no, we actually didn't happen to not, but i mean on, oh, well, no, mark it up using invoking historical reference here. i mean, it's very much in a style and ask, you know, know people, oh, no problem. i mean, and that's what they basically want to make mistakes were made mistakes for me that the assume the official history you've got. so i feel a little concourse denial is going to be coming around again. um, you know, goes a holocaust denial and the anti semite code, you know, which is plates. and so you, because it, because he's now to anybody, but particularly john, this, the, i think is so ridiculous just becoming so foss ago that now you have a situation now where by might be factors. but a few days ago,

they were murmurings from the international court. yes. you see in the hague that it might look us, we'll come allegations against israel and, and miss neal who and what was miss neal is response. you might have, as you have been a glitch, and you said this is a 2 separate as of now let's see, i need to go really make it up, you know, so that, that's how that's, that's the limit of just how far this falls can go. but you know, the whole idea of the worry now that we no longer now know the difference between fake news and the real, the real narrative it. so any other channels, this is, this is a very interesting turning point. i mean, october 7th, probably will go down in history for a variety of reasons, depending on how you think about the situation and what that will eventually result . so there are too many people in power, dell on or remember what happened on jet, on october 6th, or what happened on october 8th,

that's going to be the problem, george. but for me, one of the saddest things is that the great supporters who procedures for free speech conservatives may have given up the ghost too. and that's why we're making this program. george bill. that's right. and there was indeed a absolutely shocking when we had those the universe that the president and some of these are the, the 3. i'm the 3, the most prestigious universities in the united states. you had universal pennsylvania mit um tava and, and they were just being a race over the coals. oh, is something completely fictional there? uh that somehow advocating genocide of the jews that there uh, the rambling that is elite, liberal, elite universities. you know, way in which there are a very high percentage of joyce students, but in these universe it is, there is ramping that you sent me. it is on and let you know, yes, it was,

at least the phonic was kind of a trump invalid. the charge, but there was overwhelming simple for what she did. you know you had um, lauren's drive gonna be coming out. yeah, i mean, i may not like least divani, but she really did a great job there. and then we had the morning joe brought in. everybody's some hot shearing the song and this is a total sizes. i mean is a lives the suggest thing in the, in the united states today, there is a, you know, the, there's a raging anti semitism and people calling for the genocide of the jews. and then when you all of us will, what's your evidence for this? what, what, what is it when we get it, can you show me where the somewhere was? somebody done this? well, it really isn't then like i'm a oh yeah. well that slogan um, from the river to the sea palace line will be for yeah, that, that, that involves the destruction of israel, which means the genocide of the jews because that's just simply their interpretation. but that non sensical interpretation they like, why is this uh,

reality, and then people tweet out, oh yeah, people go into the hall of the going run, st gas, the jews. and then what somebody that will give me one example, one example of anybody, anybody in any particular hobbit or anywhere else in a prominent place, st gas, the jews. well, there isn't that doesn't matter is and then the, and that's why the analogy with russia gauges is so app. so both, can you just find the one evidence, one piece of evidence where when we, which trump deluded all the rushes into fit in the election to patricio case but arisen but, but that the bike by dint of repetition, with the way we live in, in this complete fantasy, what so? i'll get all the positive. well they, they looking a gauze, i think this is actually of a risk that goes to visit monsters. what's going on? what's going on in the united states? they're arguing about, oh, isn't it, isn't it blurred up? is apparently all these, these were on the road to power. and apparently martin in, in israel all the talk is about the release of the hostages. this,

from the scan coverage of what's going on and gaza. mostly because people in israel are not interested. okay, intentionally and i find it very curious that if you said from the river to the sea and what is will oh, be free. would that be calling for the genocide of palestinians? i don't think there's anyone but to interpret that way. you know, i think these slogans tend to get exaggerated and conveniently misinterpreted on the ground scale. you know, i mean, well, what we're saying, what is unprecedented is a new level, a new volume, a new mess of fake news now, which is just all to everything. it's just don't think how we talk about the subjects. it's just dozing out, john, this report on them. you know, i mean, it's getting to the stage now where people are starting to wake up. and unfortunately, you have the last 10 or 15 years mainstream media has made a conscious decision to follow and to replicate social media and social media is

now the new mainstream media. social media is the new platform which is distorting all these things, you know, and i think these slogans of these, these sayings um, such as the one that you cited or others you know, are being used as tools for propaganda for fulfilled. we also have the case and the last, the new cycles, george of the weapon ization of right. you and i did a separate pod cast on that. and when the investigator i permit, i don't have it written down here. but the investigator, when she was asked by journalist and this is really media, you know, what are you going to be presenting evidence of? it's all my job to do that. i'm not a journalist at your job to do it, but she's making claims and nephews ations. while at the same time she's saying i, but it's not incumbent upon me to produce any evidence to back up my claims. i mean, if that isn't circular, i don't know. what is george? perfect. exactly. so she put together this team of 15

women. um and um and when this uh report from the higher ed kind of auster about the, the evidence they said, well yeah, this on my job to find the evidence. i mean, you know, they will probably find the evidence in about 2030 years because, you know, many women that now dead and all the women and upcoming forward. so now as you're making this boss assertions, i mean, not just saying, oh, you know, rapes that good. you said there was a, a policy of mass rapes and also she may have made it a, made it the assumption that there are videos, but we can't show them. i mean the exact, the that's our, their game when the, when the issue of evan is, oh yeah, yeah. well, there are the, well, all of these uh, videos on uh, on the ground on how guys kinda ground channels. yeah. um, but where all the, i mean if that if they publicly available, then you should be able to just show um, because they're all in a, i mean, you know, the city of new york, they've got to jump in here and we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break will continue our discussion on big news. stay with archy,

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the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome edge across stuff were all things are considered, and peter will bill this the home editions remind me, were discussing big news. the . okay, let's change gears. gentleman, while we have this, when i just think is this the fiasco about how to a twist and turn and reinterpret and dismiss what's going on and gaza. we had the same a new cycles. martin is the sudden fear that donald trump's might come back. and if

he called us back, you watch the interviews and $8.00 that you want. revenge ok? and he was a trumpet given an interview with sean hannity. and he was asked so essentially the same question, you know, are, are you going to do it? i'm paraphrasing here, are you going to take revenge on your political votes and trump? and he has trump and spouse on day one on the 1st day. and he talked about drill, drill, drill, and close the border. of course that was interpreted all to the liberal. the eco system is that yes, he's grown and mustache and that is a swastika on his shoulder. okay. i mean, it was just it just a, do you think you're watching the babylon be? it's so absurd. but these people say, and i'm not saying this is a trump supporter, i'm just looking at how media is being weaponized against democracy because we all know the polling out there. now i've always dismiss bowling, but when you get down to certain congressional districts, that's when i start taking an interest. okay?

because that's what the wins elections. okay. not any kind of gen, eric ballad or anything like that. so we're getting close here and there are panicking and so they have to trump, isn't this the next step works, even though he wasn't hitler really when he was president, i'm not sure what, how that works. but that's what they're saying, martin. but that's, that's a, that's a, that's the sort of slightly abusive would i piece of use of the word hipley because that suggests that we in the west a green are america hated hitler. and we didn't really well, we hate to him as an individual, but we didn't hate is his policies and his fascism. another tool and i think so trump coming back in is uh you have a very similar situation in america that you have in breast and you have to contend as he was so bad, who are so under performing in terms of what we traditionally regard as political the political, our and theresa and these days, you know,

is people of voting no, not for what they want to look for, for whom they want 17 against the candidate. and that's, that's how binary and pacific and simplistic american politics has become in there . but the jump to come back and i put money on it and actually put money on it. i think it's becoming a such and t mobile every day because the light in this just made such a dog's breakfast of these and tired of, you know, so term, particularly on the phone policy. so, you know, because we've got a data genocide happening in gauze and now with the possibilities of a regional was around, you know, it's just incredible. you, ukraine is just such a mess. you know, we talked before about the 7570, for the best a of, of nato pencilled in for the june. and how is binding gonna, you know, just cruise through this without taking an absolute battery. i mean, but going back to know your point about distracting the gym this away from the real news agenda. trump was an absolute genius. this an absolute genius. i mean,

you know, we, we, he did it for us generally, as we didn't even realize until we started counting articles, how many pieces per month we were writing with trump in the headline because he was an absolute genius of just saying something or tweeting, something completely stupid, totally polemic, and it distracted an entire circus of big media jobs away from what they should be reporting on. and you know, i think we're going to expect more of that from trump if you get some next time and an over simplification of some of these big subjects, you know, but yeah, what can you say um fort, from isn't a woman go, you know, and this is what i, i really annoyed when people people talked about bite and trump had an opportunity unless that option to which an awful lot of people understood if he'd gone for it to attack a run when you had this american try and being hit by the main forces in the go on like remember when you guys went so we met ordered missile strikes against syria always i think it was somebody at nbc nbc said fine when he's become president.

finally he's presidential again because of that. yeah. um, i wanna clarify with every everyone here. i think a dog's breakfast is a bad thing. okay. but mine dogs is like back in the morning. i just want to clear the air on that one there. but you know, george, it's a good guess. you know, this is this resurrection of this. it seeing a new version. it's a 2 point. oh about trump is a tyrant. it's no coincidence. when you look at biden's calling numbers, martin is absolutely right. we have, there's an needless sense, there's more in ukraine that they won't back away from. and then you know, we're supposed to close our eyes and ears, about one of the most cap, probably the most catastrophic human rights violation and non lifetime. and that's thing something gentleman that's really saying you don't think know you have george? yes sir, that's a date. exactly. and again, as we were talking about earlier about the, the distraction, let's talk about the real news. let's talk about the a, something that's

a fantastic old. this simply obsessional with tom is also a way of, uh, changing the subject. so the, you know, that was the, the belief media could be talking about the fact that this war in gaza is being enabled by the united states. i mean, they, you know, the by done ministration isn't just offering diplomatic support is, or at least actually pouring in weapons story. but even when people watching this, originally destruction the united states gets boring and weapons and all scape a more, a money full, more weapons. so rather than as yet, and they're not putting it in, they're not particularly transparent when it comes to the type of weapons and that it's really very much, inc. and in the, in, in the middle of the night. okay. here's because people are asking, you know, if you, what your and asking the is asking that demanding, asking them to use more precision and they use, they send these to 1000, pound bombs. how can that ever even be precise? i mean that's like take out

a city block. ok. the sports events against i'm sorry to interrupt george, keep round that. exactly. but instead of that, so we have the new york times washington, both on the atlantic. well now publishing these multi pop, multi contribute to uh, uh, pieces on the original on of trunk, all the terrible things that trump is going to do. um, if he comes back uh like, like, do we both leave nato? uh and uh, like really upset about that website. apple. bottom right. oh my god truck is going to leave uh, nato. and uh and so we were thinking about something that is fantastic or something that is down the road. the. the election is still a year away. god knows what's gonna happen during the coming year. but we're talking about that and then everyone everyone is exposed. really thing of this for reflect that this awful thing is going to happen, which is drunk coming back. but what about this,

what about the will the people dying in your brain a little bit with dying and the guys that well, we don't, we don't talk about that, but we talk about something that is entirely up at this stage of fictional, the fact is, trump hasn't been in power for 3 years. is binding. this is by these was, these are vitamins bothers it. let's go contribute to addressing that. i am you the, the that you probably so that's a jimmy door had the little item on robert, the narrow. because again, it's a be that he's in an interesting, typical sort of figure, rather than there opens up the hate or a trump, you know, you know, he just talks about how he wants to punch him in the face. you know, take him in the grind or whatever. and then when he is us, somebody goes cnn. austin. um, you know, what, what exactly is it about trump? did you find so testable? well, i don't know really. um, he's just the crazy guy. i read it, there it is like, you know? yeah. well the, you know, like from, i think so. and he can't even explain what it is. he hates about the drum and these

people like that. and sean, penn, they should just stay in the, they're acting lane, i think, the right actors. okay. but the political abuse doesn't deserve their time. but you know, martin, that is that they're setting up uh for them. it least in the american context here with the election here is the, is the, the new more on, um, trump's supporters. i mean, i think that's what it's all about. it's a, they may, they're attacking trump. he's in every room. if you don't know, donald trump is, then you've been living under a rock for 8 years. ok. i mean, he's a very more well known quantity, but they're candidate in that and they're part of your preference of the democrats are increasingly divided. they have an unpopular president, and so the way you deflect is just how bad trump was, even though if he was a dictator, george. and i've talked about this a lot that he was a dictator when he was president. you better change the definition of what a dictator is because he was the worst bit dana. and then in the,

in the history of dictators if that's what you want to call them, go ahead mark or. yeah, he does, this is not good. what does it dictate? so the interesting thing i find about trump is you talk about the, the, the impacts of what of, what's going on in america and how people coming out of sort of which on to get some supporters. i wonder how many people in america would be curious to know what's going on in the middle east. because in the many regions in this part of the world, most if not or the least the arab leaders of this part of the world, or waiting for trump to come back. the old banking on their old putting their last book on trump coming back and fixing all these problems because you have this kind of malays this, this a pass between most of these countries and the button, the ministration is that they're just basically waiting for the bite ministrations to move on because because you know, all these countries comp will count the difference is they can't agree on,

on really, on a number of huge issues. and just recently, just uh, 2 days ago, russia, an opec agreed to cut old production again, which is another smack in the face for biding. there's another reminder that you don't tell us, well, international or prices are going to be, we tell you, you know, again, you know, we're, we're waiting for this weather. we talked about morocco and the western sahara dossier, algeria, or bigger issues in the middle east. about an uncertainty. now this is even impetus for somebody of his career though you can jets in to come sense bash be which has together and stop the blood shedding because i think i think some of that trump could do the, i mean to demonstrate trump and button here is button can only really, you know, cool for these 5 and cool for, for the end of this bloodshed blessing, trump would go further. so you would actually see, you would actually, you know, issue ultimatums to, to, to time, not really convince of that this thing with this,

this thing it, this issue in the united states is so much in stone that it, that's why we're seeing the reaction to a judge last to a 35 seconds to go ahead. what i think, what my does, that is very interesting and engage the americans and the british. they live in their own little bubble, they, they take it for granted that so the hatreds are shed by the rest of the world and they don't seem to realize that many positive what they think of the trump is as being relatively good years. there wasn't any new was um there were openings in certain parts of world towards be such as in with north korea. and the bible is just stuck in the past and i is just start getting this cold will eventually is uni, polo will moment. and i and there's nothing good can come out of that. yeah. and there's so comfortable and that's no comfort zone. that's what they seem to understand even though and they never, uh, never engenders any kind of positive result. gentleman, that's all the time we have one of the thing, my guess in america cash and,

and do the present. of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our dc and next time. remember across top of the i really thought that we were going to die. i crawled all the way to the right. and then i hid behind the board. and

this is that simple, continue to stick with the system. basically we want to make sure that certain regular civilians should be in the hands the for unsafe as for taking away the serious remnant shedding of the streets and alleys of jabante a come, the incessant compartment brings 5 explosions and so right shrub and really scratched everywhere. devali, a refugee camps and northern gaza is hit by an idea of selling the policy and in red present reports, the latest braves struck dangerously close to a un medical clinic. the also ahead id of video is allegedly showing captured palestinian prisoners causing fury,