western media starts to say no, but this is, it's not so important. always the stories that are not that are not the some important to impressed snap. there's that. so it's a, it's funny for my point of view because this area of the, the think of the georgia or where the fun was, nova 90 for the 80. for me. very interesting indeed. as always, andrea, thank you for your time today. i'm very lucida. tell you and we're corresponding to live on archie. thank you for the invitation. sure. bye. mm. you know, i will indeed the ukraine conflict progress in 2024 unless may point to a lot of variables at play. but perhaps the most pertinent question of all is do some of the concern parties actually one piece cross talk debates that extra bit close the

the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the president of the united states cause the real stir when speaking to congress, jo, by who brought up the possibility of american troops fighting russian troops. this is the state of the fail due crane project facing failure on all fronts. biden's only option is to expand the conflict. really the cross option ukraine on joined by my guess scott ritter in delmark. steve is a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector and in nashville. we have steve gill. he is an attorney and political commentator. hard gentleman cross top roles and i think that means you can jump me anytime you want,

and i always appreciate it. let me go to you 1st. got um zalinski the president of ukraine and a supplicant of the united states. and this affair here he's visiting, i guess, but as we're speaking now, joe biden, what do you think the conversation is going to be about? scott a look, this is about job i'm using zalinski is a problem. um, to try and put pressure on the republicans in congress to pass a supplemental. um, you know, a budget that includes money for ukraine, for israel, and a little bit of money for the southern border. he's going to make the case that it is a lensky, the president of this wonderful democracy called ukraine, and cannot survive without american assistance. american assistance that he joe biden promised american assistance that the united states congress has regularly

voted in favor of and the failure of the republicans to follow through on the obligations of the nation. it will represent a betrayal. so this is a grand act of theater. 12 the same, the same question to you because i, i can't really um, surmise it what exactly the united states is supposed to do. keep funding this money. obviously it looks like they, they, they've all, all been accepted failure, but they want to keep it going until the election. so it doesn't dog. isn't there a way around biting shoulders, but that's a kind of a very cynical thing to do. so another $100000.00 ukranian troops will die because of jo biden's, political ambitions and ego. go ahead steve. but if you've had about, you know, 3 or 400000 died for that. i just really feel sorry for zaleski is interpreter. could you imagine it tried to interpret the mumblings of joe biden, in some sort of incoherent sense? i think he said, i can't understand him. but the problem is,

he says he wanted to be a wartime president. that's what his strategist to now come up with is you can't be an economic president because by nomics is failing miserably. you can't be the border secure a present because that failed miserably. the energy presence so now is left to try and become the word time president, and he is devoted to the america into a war. and, and i will say this, the american people are about setups with giving any money to you, craig. i know they're more than set up with any, any boots on the ground. what do you great at this point, or at any point in the near foreseeable future? well, i'm speaking about troops here. scott biden's mentioned the possibility, quote, american troops fighting russian troops. now, that seems to me or go, he but he assumes that russia will attack nato if ukraine fails. why? that's a flawed logic here. it sounds like he wants that to happen to legitimize his fail to crane project. scott, i don't know if he wants to happen because 1st of all,

if it happened, we would go nuclear immediately because un, nato and united states lack the military capability of prevailing in ground combat, large scale ground combat against russia. but it's a, it's, as you know, that it's an absolutely false premise of russia. a has no intention of attacking nato attacking poland, attacking the politics. the russians historically have always had a defensive posture. they were compelled to act and ukraine because of years of nato expansion. in efforts by the collective west, to turn ukraine into a weapon against russia. so russia acted, you know, preemptively, as a preemptive self defense was the, um, you know, the justification to blood report use on article 51 in the united nations charter. but the other thing is the russian military, while it's very successful on the battlefield today, um, you know,

has limited capacity, limited capability. we learned this in the 1st phases of this conflict, where they tried to do too much with too little, 200000 troops. there's a limit to what they can do. well, there's a limit to what 60700000 troops can do. meaning that they are capable of defeating the ukrainian military. they are capable of seizing additional territory if tasked with that job. but they're not capable. for as they currently stand to occupy ukraine, let alone launch a massive military invasion of poland or the baltic. so joe biden has created a fantasy world that he has populated with fantasy figures. the good news is that this will never happen because as this is a joe said, i want to send american troops in the ukraine. this is joe said russia will attack poet. rusher won't attack bone. so this is just politics as usual. yeah, steve,

it's really interesting also in the same conversation in john kirby, not the smartest guy in the room. we know he's invoking article 5 as if you know, this is again something that the, you know, is a, is a trip wire, a threat directed at russia that there is this article 5. i would be very, very cautious if i were john kirby or the president, the united states and his useless secretaries. they blinking is that article 5 is much more of a mythology than reality here. and i would advise them not to test it, because i don't think fortunate goal is good to go to war overbuild this. okay, and i think the, the war and ukraine is actually proven that go ahead, steve. but scott is exactly right. and the democrats and the volume estrace even pages boogeyman of a rush and prove that if we don't stop them ins on best, they'll roll across you crate occupied you cranes invade sweden and finland in poland. the adult dominated europe, militarily, like ukraine,

is the size of the texas occupying a country. that size is not going to be possible with the rest of the military's. it is particularly when you get into the other side of ukraine, and you have folks that would be willing to fight for their home to have guerrilla warfare and the idea that they would be in bathing your western europe is just again, the book, the man that's and by the administration is trying to create so that that members of congress will look under their beds afraid they'll find to me when you, when you look at the capacity of the us, as scott mentioned, to engage in any kind of large scale round more. we've given most of our munitions to ukraine that have been lost or wasted, or we left to buy that afghanistan, or we've got the u. s. department of defense. we can't account for them. and yet you've got the secretary of defense going to congress demanding more money into ukraine. say, if you don't give us money, we're going to send your sons and daughters and uncles and brothers to die, that kind of threat. i don't think it's gonna play well with members of congress and again, i don't think it plays well with the american people. well, you know,

it's got, you know, this whole sabre rattling about, you know, attacking a nato country and all that. you know, um, i know it's a lot of work for some people, but just look at the words that russian officials have said. that's actually go to the very beginning. demilitarization and d knots vacation. that means destroying the ukrainian military that has been supported by nato. and regime change in to those conditions covered really change. scott, i know you're a 100 percent. correct. look, the, the thing here though is that there have been some voices and the russian media, you know, russia has some very, uh, uh, inflammatory um, tv shows where you have now these come on and, and say things, they're not official policy makers. they're speaking their own opinion in you. so when you have people say we're gonna come see this through on the warsaw on the

berlin. all that does is feed the, you know, the, the, the propaganda mills here and american allow people to say of the russians and tend to come to native. but the reality is there's the russian government speech for russia. not something well, but i'm glad you brought it up. scott, everybody listening to everyone watching the program here? yes. rush. it has its own. sean hannity's. the surprise it does. it has it's jo, scholar burrows. are you surprised? ok they did. is joe scarborough and todd henry represent the us government hardly. um they may want to appeal to elements of the government, but they don't represent it. and i'm glad scott brought that up. i see the same shows, same kind of hotheads and some of our very jingo istic. absolutely, they are okay, but it's part of the entertainment landscape unfortunately. steve, let me go back to you again. you know, we have um, um, nato, uh, defining russia as an enemy. since this conflict is started and much, much,

much more, but unofficially, now it's official here. russia is going to react to that. i don't understand why people don't. if you called anatomy, you're going to react to it, go ahead steep as well. and the fact that this, this was a, a conflict, it could have been completely avoid is had uh, uh, victoria new and from the state department in morris jobs and not swooped in to keep the wednesday from striking a deal on the front end. and then you had your rest of making it clear that the expansion of nato, to their border was, was intolerable. it was something that the us agreed not to do and yet decade or so ago. and yet tamala, here as they are kind of again working us into this conflict by announcing, oh yeah, we're going to expand that, you know, into ukraine. and the russians don't know. she's an idiot. the russians don't know . she's clueless. and they walked in the back. but then there every action since then has been underlining, or we're going to expand, you really expand, they go into, into ukraine, which is again, a branch of the problem is,

is that the us is made in the past. it that absolutely words though really mean very much and unfortunately that's what the russians have learned from all this, but men's process and all that. scott, can you, it's a, we both watched the media and the, the failed piece process that the us and the u. k. a torpedo in early parts of the conflict here. how often is that mentioned in the main stream media you and i talked about it in real time. i remember it in real time. okay. it's never got an airing on the main stream media. the public simply doesn't know that this conflict or 1st ball could have been avoided. second of all, it could have been shut down relatively quickly. scott, i know you're a 100 percent correct? because 1st of all, a to, to discuss what happened in march and april requires people to re think to be of the entire, you know, narrative bitch been portrayed in the west of an aggressive russia. she can

territorial acquisition, seeking to destroy q. but when you look at the terms that russia had agreed to, they were extraordinarily lenient. um, did almost some people say it almost was like russia lost in was conceding things to ukraine that's helped lenient scholars got. i, i remember at the time i remember at the time and, and probably was talking you about it. i, i said that would be defined as a strategic to feed it. it did it in retrospect, yes, but it shows how much rush i wanted to avoid. what's happening today had a little appetite brush i had at the time for war and believe me why she doesn't have an appetite for war today either. i'm sorry, no, it's got hold that thought gentlemen, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break will continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. the russian

states never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community invest in most all sense and up the in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on rochester routing and split the r t spoke neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube. the question, did you say it's a request for check the

they are probably higher. well assess the story to the model girl to have got you. no problem seeing it. i'm out of the news. i'll say 30 minutes us out in the drive . i showed my brother through he was sudden to help people for a lo so now i never looked at searches as being the same. well, i guess i lost my list. that's the outcome of the police. it'd be gang chicago is like to give you a photo of the police. you lose your life as another crime. say another this could have been a doctor. a nurse could have been the next president. we can't keep losing people out here. the welcome back to cross popular. all things are considered. i'm peter will build to remind you we're discussing ukraine, the

. okay, let's just go back to scott scott: it's the rumor mill. there's a lot of whispers going on, but you know more and more often you hear zalinski is no longer the guy and of course has been in a more enormous amount of reporting and alternative media about the machinations going on in care of. yeah, zalinski is immediate lieutenant's calling him delusional. that time magazine article, the economist article, those things don't happen by accident. ok. so there's a whole swirl going on around zalinski and, and then there were there his competitors in the military. they have more popularity than he does. after all, as you pointed out, you know, there are no elections going on right now. so we have basically the little m for as a landscape. what are your thoughts about the stability of the regime as well?

first of all, we just have to be honest to note that zelinski is 100 percent, the construct of the collective west of the united states of great britain, of nato, of the european union. he is a tool, a tool of the west, but he serves a task that is just to be the public face of ukraine that allows western governments to justify the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars of money and resources into ukraine. he is the propaganda element that we, the west put out there to say. this is the man, this is the face. if you train the face of freedom, the face of democracy, the man who's standing up to the evil russian, a talk receipt. and as long as you know, they can sell zalinski that way. they can justify sending this money, but they can no longer zalinski and he's well past is used by data. he doesn't serve that function anymore. and therefore,

he's lost his utility not only in the west, but in ukraine because he's not an effective leader, is an artificial construct. and if he's not bringing in the money that fuels this corrupt regime and this corrupt nation, and this in effective military, if he's not bringing into money, the pad, the bank accounts of these other corrupt, your training officials. what use does he have in the military? he's growing increasingly frustrating, frustrated about so let's get because of his insistence on counting to the west to carry out counter offensive that never had a chance of success. always. we're going to sacrifice thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of ukrainian lives. just to continue the money flowing. now the spigot you bring turned off. the wednesday i think is on his final legs there. he can't last much longer. as the leader, we see a lot of with inside you crane and outside you crane to replace it. man, i sadly,

i think this of this trip to washington dc might be one of his last guests as president of your trade. yeah. you know, same thing, you know, the, someone's case, like the perfect western liberal. he, he, he likes to support ideas that have no impact on him. personally. i'm sure there's a private jet all sealed up, ready to take about and, you know, like gummy out of afghanistan. okay. but we're way ahead of ourselves, but that is one option here. you know, is this, steve, it's really interesting is that one of the that has been made by many different um marketing attempts of this conflict in ukraine. the most recent one is corporate uh, welfare, the trickle down, you know, like 95 percent of the money comes back to arms manufacturers. if that's a good thing. okay. but they, they keep reinventing their marketing to keep this going on. and you know, it, i don't feel sorry for arms makers. are they always have a boon when there's a conflict going on. they like wars. ok and, and,

and bite and likes to serve their interests. go ahead steve. as well as, and perhaps the most ridiculous assertion that be on the is just alone. it's going to get paid back. so yeah, like all the money that we learned in europe after world war 2, but tim scott said it even better when he claimed is that the business, the business alone is going to get paid back. it's not just to supplement the arms dealers and there's that money, as you pointed out, flows back to us. we did these the ridiculous assertions of why it's good for america, just to promote a war and, and ukraine. the best for you can tell that the frank versus last traction is you're not saying the ukraine pans worn on politicians and people around the country anymore. they've been replaced by these railways legs and, and perhaps the best education of, of the wednesdays was power. i think it was time magazine versus the year last year . this year is taylor swift. that's how much things have shifted away from ukraine . and i really don't even know who that is. okay. but anyway, i'm, i'm sorry,

i don't follow that stuff. i the academy awards, but i don't, i'm interested in that kind of stuff. a scott is what is the plan now just live support just to get through the election cycle. i think you hit the nail on the head there. this is not about the security of the west or the west is already adjusting to the inevitability of ukrainian defeat. you see nato, you see the, you, you see the united states started to move things behind the scenes to prepare themselves for a russian victory. but politically, by them can't concede that the 1st of all, he's looking for a scape goat netscape go. it's going to be the republican party. oh yeah. he is going to, uh, you know, say i did everything. i could, it was the republicans are denied the funding there for the republicans are responsible for the defeat of your trade. now if the republicans happen to cough up the money, then what you're going to see is what we've already seen. well,

it's ukrainians fault. we gave them every resource they needed, but their military, it wasn't good enough. they just, they didn't have what it takes, of anything to push the blame away from buying because we are in to the silly season we are less than a year away from a presidential election. which means america has gone, bring dead, we're now only about politics. and politics is all about shifting blame on to other people taking credit where you can. and this is what bite is going to be doing with your craig. we've lost this war. ukraine is lost as war right now. it's about ensuring that the consequences of this defeat don't blow back on joe biden. politically, that he pushes as much of the blame for this ukrainian debacle on to other people. well, and i'll also to the scott and steve here we have to keep in mind. there was somebody responsible state crafted road to a couple weeks into the conflict. the ukraine has already one very interesting

title, because i would say then once a settlement and it will be defeat, then there's going to be the, the blame game in side of you. crane who took the money. where is the money? where is this guy? it's going to be k arctic, very, very chaotic. c i n, you've already had go ahead and get paid. already have senior officials getting fired for corruption by the wednesday. first of all, it has various ministers and then talk folks in the defense ministry getting fired for corruption. they've taken the money the us can account for the money that you can account for the money is as billions of dollars have been misplaced, do you? and i think the other, the other critical thing is that you can, i think, blame ukraine for this last because we were told about all the patriarch we're going to defend our country. and yet there are hundreds of thousands of young ukrainian manual flight of the country. you avoid the traffic that recognizing they'd rather go to jail afterwards,

rather than go to the front lines and died now. and with all this patriotic guy pushed that we got the propaganda that, that ukraine is fighting for itself. why are they having to drag 16 year old boys out of malls? why they haven't put 7 year old man on the front minds? because the praise people are wanting to fight for don bass and domestic and mary ogles, they, they don't see any reason to fight for it. why are we fighting for it? and again, i don't think americans want our kids to fight for places that either don't even matter to the ukrainians. yes. got into the demographic crisis is horrific for ukraine. i mean, depending on who you asking ukrainians, who always have been notorious of a bad with their statistics here. but there are some estimates that the population of ukraine now is approximately half. it was when they got it to independence, that it happens very rarely, very rarely scott, as well. what we're looking at is a, is a failed state. i mean,

there are been many people in russia including blood and report and we have our teacher related to ukraine is an artificial state of. but what we're looking at right now is a failed state. uh, you know, you talked about, you know, the chaos that, that will break out and ukraine is, people are looking to blame that. but that assumes that there's going to be a, a ukrainian government that, um, a good point operates independently. and sorry, d notification means the end of the zalinski really means the end of the ukrainian or the problem. it means the end of the constitution as it's currently configured, it means the end of ukraine is, it's currently governed. there will be a new government in ukraine. there has to be and i believe this government will be hand picked by the russians. and so there won't be as much chaos as you think. i think there will be a lot of retribution. i think there will be a lot of accountability. but the bottom line is ukraine as it existed in 2014 will never exist again. and i think i had an interesting conversation with

a senior russian official just last week. and he basically said that ukraine has a very limited window of opportunity right now to strike a deal that won't allow ukraine to have the maximum territory and sovereignty that the longer this goes on that offer will be off the table. and you'll be looking at a completely different outcome than the one that could be offered today. but either way, you train a strategically defeated and the terms of ukraine's future will be dictated by russia not by some sort of negotiation between ukraine in the west. yeah, and steve, you know, again, auto kind of work with really, right, go ahead and type in, let me ask you got this, got it. exactly right. that's what happens. the grain going forward, what happens to russia going forward? i mean that the demon is ation to ethan russia in the west and in america. how do

you have a great rest of the back to the table and say okay, all is, well, all is for getting know, you know, sections are off there. they're going to be a buddy again, how do you move that machine re back in to bringing russia into the world of nations? well, well, you know, scott mc my place i, i want to be kind all 3 of us. but we will see that in our lifetime, this is a generational breach that will not be mended for a very long time. those sanctions will not come to an end, because the wes nato land cannot accept that it was wrong. okay? because of their, with their, uh, their virtuous russians, are they, they, uh they, they're the rule of law, the rules based or big. they can't change lightweight. the only way, the only way to both the due date was almost out of time here. but i do have a way out for them. at least putting didn't make it to pair us. we won steve. and that's exactly right. yeah. i was in the ukraine, and don bass area is asking my uncle for the elections and your we keep hearing

from a get into by the ministrations this occupied territories. look, i better to interact a couple of times. scott is, has been an actual occupied territories done. there's been very helpful not occupied. you're not seeing russian soldiers on every corner of the lives, from the beginning of this need to be dealt with. and the media in the western got your for you and america have blood on their hands. well with, it's all because of our occupied washington. that's why we've gotten here, gentlemen, that's all the time we have a one. i think mike gets in nashville and, and delmore, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us c r t. see you next time . remember crossed up the, [000:00:00;00] the, the,

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