the, the, the deputy normal deputy minister, thank you for joining us on our, to today and welcome to moscow. thank you very much. right. we have seen increased cooperation between your country. so africa and russia. and in fact, in one of the ways we, we does heard of a gas from bank of russia to getting the approval of south african government to refund the some refineries that we just part of the cooperation with talking. we're trying to see now what are some of the major cooperation in the agreements that you have signed between your country as under russia this year? squarely, i think we are elated by the announcement that he has to do by the south african

cabinet on this new flagship venture involving a russian um, uh, entity in making sure that we are able to solve difficult recalibrate and particularly your, you know, your energy security aspect the i tech, which is your significant the pilot throw mechanism between south africa and but us and say that ration low in particular in 7 the key strategic areas fall um underpinned by economic diplomacy. obviously the issues about rate in investment dates bottom on the investment. this key, if you, if your energy expands and in a corporation you of higher education, i would call to your uh your, what to

a resource management tool of science and technology. so in essence, all 7 of those areas. so 6 the over at the, the put chains in relation to our pilot relationship, which last year we celebrate that the, obviously the use of diplomatic relations between south africa and the adolescence. that ration the relationship between them. the south african people and the adoption of people goes back probably more than the 50 decades during the time when this, the south african people wait, it's a little bit patient struggle. we had the nation, people obviously on the different the dispensation which pled shut out as i looked at the, with the south african and african struggles. so, you know, we used to be taught us that we should never let the wrong with repeat details

and the unjust who wrote order that we're seeing today, half sister to profile. how about i told relations the great tides. now we have seen the west to pose a be terry assumptions on countries. they don't like do use single you could send that's they could be assumptions on your country to do to your increase cooperation with russia. well mike, i think that probably it's important to state where we stand, in particular as it relates to what we classify as unilateral cause of sanctions. we all view of south africa did to the only august you and body that has the, sinking the right to, to impose sanctions underpinned by a multi let to you. and system is the united nations security council of closer

a. so that's like i use concern that our number line post you has being a use to seek to put us into a position of what i call that look way. we uh, uh, uh, threaten to choose the, uh, the site, the one or the other, the power of south africa obviously, is not in the line to we subscribe to the bundle principles which speaks about the, you know, with the integrity of the individual in the nation. states we raise with the, the, the, the us a couple of months in the us state. the sedation, our concern when we were looked at about the, the russian maligned activities above that to the house and the seats to pass which ultimately directed the gains

boat state, the non state actors that are seen to be in support of the us and for the ration and i think we, we were successful because of those specific reference to african uh, activity says that the release that us and for that ation was removed from that particular button. but we remain concerned that the, obviously, those unilateral sanctions being a champion, as we speak against that us. and for that, i said, and many other countries, i mean disregard my, we speak about the economic brocade, the gains, the people of cuba since 1962. and if we every call and take your list, viewers in confidence, it's the same security concerns that less than, say,

destinations were raising about the east with the expansion of nato in ukraine, in close proximity to the russian border. was a mother image of the security coincidence that the united states of america, 1962 during the cuban missile crisis and phrase. and that the problem that the cuban people to have been subject to you know, and economic locate of more than 60 years. because of security of that i'm putting on the security a opa seats to get the interest of, of the us. so we, we are obviously concerned because apart from what we have seen with the cubans, you've seen, you've been let to let the nomics functions level to gain. so the people of zimbabwe by the u. s. a by the u. k. and by the e. u. at which it, in essence, so problem is the it or the other people often and probably. so we obviously prone

mike on a conduct that is not the frequent side of the united nations. shut the value in relation to, you know, you know, that typically as of song shifts right? now let's talk about breaks a little bit. now we've seen the expansion of economic integration of bricks, countries, and one thing the world is looking forward to is settling by electro trade and national currencies where the both countries that are involved in such kind of trade now is that is hen that by the west one way or the other, how far is south africa are ready to go in defending it, stand in, settling by electro, a trade in national currencies, i think probably for your fewest to better appreciate the evolution of the topics. payments that the and system it's,

it's equally critical for you, you'll feel was to understand 3 pallets of cooperation amongst breaks the member states are the 1st one speaks about the centrality of political and security cooperation that the nations mike speaks about, the importance of optics that breaks uh the nation stage should have in regards to peace and security and elsewhere into what we do for see that increasingly pretty useful. you know, we stepped into particular proximity as it relates to international peace and security architectures. concern the 2nd to show obviously speaks about the centrality of uh, economic and financial corporation. if you look at the, the, you know, some of the practical steps we have taken was the stablish. and then i'll put a sudden allies ation on a equal share, a capital basis,

the new develop and banker. and to be that the so not to be um, you know, uh and this is the existing uh, but i don't know what the is a decent size issue. i am asking you will be, but is really you in the be was established to ensure that the, you know, it becomes a, a more easily a deposit of 3 and reference point full financial uh, allocation of capital in mobilization of capital for member states of, of of the brakes the, the us pick up out the brakes payment then says on system we should be a new koval call about that. we should speak about that in the same product enough . then the bates that has been, uh, getting that right. the thing, the public that, that sold to uh, you know, uh, equate similarities, interlaced and the data lies ation. it's absolutely not the same thing. what do it

intends to do might, is to ensure that there is a breaks, a family of nations where able to 3 months, our sales, and that the rates obviously uh the and able to should be the settlement on local currencies without having to invoke international financial systems in regards to that, the type of issue at that obviously mike here speaks to the g to in the road. meg map on across the board, the payment the systems. so it's actually a matter of image of what the g 2 in the nation's us speaking about. it's a, you know, i tend to colleen it's a post to define african payment system that the african union states has speaking about. so it's a key and able to ensure that breaks member states 3 set easily. so

the economic, the bins of each financial today. and then obviously the loss of cooperation speaks about the centrality of people to people, cooperation and cultural diplomacy. uh, that obviously is everett and if you look at the, the, the, the entire continents in essence, from the global south, on our present, that in the breaks of a family of nations. it's interesting. now a area and there this year we, we, the united states to read some back today's, so i've actually got to south africa of supplying alms and weapons to russia. and as it is, of course, russia responded very firmly, calling on the us not to drug high into issues between russia and on how herself. but after that was settled,

what they any kind of pressure that your country came under from the west. well, um i think the most important issue, mike, of these 1st the prospecting and the following policy independent for the following policy position. so for the, for a nation, including that of south africa we, we have chosen to, you know, to amplify on the line, the us fun points as it relates to, in particular, to the conflict between russia and ukraine. these concepts. so we should be under vocal about that. in fact, our membership of being part of the non the line movement and subscribing to the bundle principal splits that obligation on south africa not to in, in, in essence to become conflicted in difficulties that big powers face. with the

and in particular year we speak about the difficulties that uh, the, the nato. advice of us that i send for that ation of face within themselves. each to joe political outlook as it relates to this one, ukraine is concerned. so we, we, we should be obviously on the approval code about that issue between philadelphia got in the us extensive strategic political partnership, which or the natalie mike base on shed fairly was a principal sofa of a democracy. and collaborations in areas of a good governance. and economic diplomacy. it was unfortunate that the, the us on boss of the effort to south africa is engaging or aiding that lesson for the ration military. i think you with the

appreciate that is a, is a developing countries hold off of the f. not that i boss capacity to 8 that i sense that the russian military. so if you look at the entry point of that type of, of argument that it was completely irrational, but beat as of may president. i'm a pause, a point that they inquired at least that validate that you know, i was fun pointed to we f not aided their us and for the reason military in fact uh what the, the shipment and pay it was uh, the procurement doing, uh the, the good to go with 19 fund day me for the you know, through the capacity is the relates to peacekeeping missions in, in the south of africa is concerned. so it's the unfortunate and we,

we obviously stand from a, our b is our nemesis should depreciate where we stand is a, is a up on african state in relation paul foreign policy and people to 3 spec. you know, our stand point as it relates to different areas into word this consent. and it's obviously the unfortunate that we had to, you know, undergo and i'm quite a severe beating on the financial markets because of the perceptions that was leveled against us. we have seen fresh struggles against new colonialism among the african countries and countries are beginning to reconsider the relation 9 with the engagement to the west. why do you think this is resonating among african countries? now,

let's 1st be absolutely clear that the unconstitutional changes of problem. and the norfolk, this is not the recall and say that but with the african agend northwood, stand the to see for extraordinary that the fraud that former colonial powers continued to play in africa. and yeah, i'm a specific fear, referencing a, you know, decide to go great lakes region to undergoing at some complex difficulty . but importantly, my get, you know, the former uh no, no powers has a responsibility to ensure that them, you know, 8 to 8 does not necessarily be at every, every, by 3 sense that operations. but actually, you know, support the development agend both countries,

which they have been responsible to call it in a nice and in year i'm speaking, for example, i know and experience it because we, if be nicola knew of the united kingdom. thank you. okay. in our relationship both in terms of common health, well the membership and also in terms of the pallet to where we have seen for example, the u. k. a deeply invested in relation to science and technology in relation to thought of them being a key for and patrick, invest the and then able to ensure that, you know, as a form of a colony, the u. k. plays a particular developmental role that the skill good to go. what, what this obviously concerns us is that the firm, political independence has not necessarily imply

economic independence. the dead all of us should because send the quote the, you know, set then the condition of aspects as it relates to a, you know, a depo know project needs, obviously to be examined because increasing the joy of african, a young person that they obviously more conscious politically been yes, the, so we, we obviously concerned that, you know, the african agenda is not been able to get the type of the same support from former a colonial must this in a number of unconstitutional changes of governments have demonstrated that the, you know, the, the question about the development that governance pod then and did depth result in what we call social up even in countries where you've seen, you know,

the military, it that, that assume she would ship of a or the natalie should be a civilian process. so it's onto this as to what we stand for as africa, and we have quote on, you know, on your military rulers, to ensure that they are for immediate discussions with a you commission, you know, in august uh to look at the current season of a plan towards a civilian girl. right now, let's talk about the ongoing crisis in, in ease well, between these well and palestine. we saw a lot of vocal support on the african continent for panos by the way, demonstrations the fabulous of africa in nigeria. and some of the countries that with the demonstrations out likely in support of palestine. now, what do you think the continent can do when it comes to bringing solutions?

because we've seen a new move where leaders in africa trying to take a step towards resolving or mediating between current war and countries of the world. what role can the african continent play in bringing solution to the the challenges and them released? well, i think the 1st aspect is obviously when we look at the the conflict as it relates to use that i didn't follow spanish. glancing at this integrity in the nobility of the un security council comes to the full. so in essence, firstly, the proud of the for the african nations, mike is about the common african position as a spouse by jo as well when the consensus which subscribe to the fact that africa must be present at the, in a permanent capacity. we're pick up an in the you and security council yukon. have

the permanent members so called the, the b 5 in accordance to the times of 1945 my that 78 this they, after. and for the main statement to your content of a situation where they are continues to be via to rights and privileges that exclusive amongst members of the b 5. that one vote vet those the entire opinion as it relates to world peace and security. and i'll get there to school is that the 2nd aspect is obviously to continue to champion the cis about peace diplomacy. we, we, uh, you know, happy that the, the you and secretary to and that are like the new equip partners invoke, i think with 99. uh that enabled team to call

a moses session of the un security council for those scores. so we, we, we are concerned that the, for example, the us have actually, you know, rattled a, a truce between the fighting a actors in relation to the conflicting gaza. and obviously it was facebook by part of the us. and we continued to obviously engage the united states of america in them. so if it's a push it, as it relates to humanitarian diplomacy and the need to deescalate the need to establish a ceasefire at the need to establish a human at that inquired and the need my to go back to the negotiation table in the court and to the $9.00 to $93.00. i also a court so which speaks about, you know,

this, intel, it, the offer to stay solution with each other, swimming as the capital of palestine in accordance the board is of $9067.00. so those are the issues that we are looking at this african states. but we, i think our people also appreciate that, you know, in this much as for on policy, the past of the state, the state, the, you know, i'm the hands of government, a non state actors or the people civil society, community based organizations. there is a central role to ensure this unity of purpose and this for the region that for example, the south african falling men, have a, you know, vote, and after deliberate, the engagement, you know, for, for a, temporarily suspension of a, you know, the method relations between us out of the car and and,

and the state of is that right now you, you've talked about the united states, ve towing it to the sweat. everyone is calling for peace for the united states. saved the cans, be peace. you know, from what is going on in the un security council, the, what is your assessment of the tactic or the agenda of the united states in this particular conflict that is ongoing. and besides, how is it going to rob of, on the perception of all the countries towards the united states? well, i remember i can speak about the views of other countries. what i can speak about these, what is the optics of the oppressed people of the, what is the views of the global? so to which, you know, we, we are presenting here today. obviously, you know, when you speak about the infringement of the you and talk to the

us threw broke up. acclimation has been very vocal when it spoke about the annexation of territories in east and you agree by that i sent for that asia. but if it, if spoken, with a muscle voice in the relation to the next ation 75 years back in already 1948 of the length of the defense, then people. so tell me what you are seeing here is inconsistency in relation to international law. and it's up to acacia and we're concerned because what, what the state of is that it should be engaging on as we speak today is genocide or conduct against the people of palestine. you've seen that the, a people being target the cause of death and this at the because of the way they

look in us not seen the consistency of the us that, that speaks about by a nation of, you know, at an exemption instead of 3 of the palestine, people, you have not seen a decry, you know, and coincidence, express on the kidding and the meaning of more than 15000 fellow staying open. and so that on his way of speaking of, i will quote it to we continued to me is for all of us have to act in accordance to of international law way at the you and child to fairly well. so it becomes the supremacy that we look at the was the, that the spend my son, social justice and respect for life or be the up in the, in the palestine conflict a, be the ukraine in the done by studies. and that is what we are quoting for. south

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