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to today and welcome to moscow. thank you very much. right. we have seen increased cooperation between your country. so africa and russia and in fact you and one of the ways we, we just heard of a gas from bank of the russia getting the approval of south african, a government to refund the some refineries that we just part of the cooperation with talking. we're trying to see now what are some of the major cooperation and agreements that you have signed between your country as the rush of this year? fairly. i think we are elated by the announcement that he has to do by the south african cabinet on this new fletcher venture involving a rush and entity in making sure that we are able to solve difficult recalibrate in particular you, you know,

your energy security aspect, the i tech, which is your significant, the pilot mechanism between south africa and but us and for the ration look in particular in 7 the key strategic areas fall um, underpinned by economic diplomacy. obviously the issues about right in investment, it's about a month or 3. the investment is key to you. if your energy expands and in a corporation you of higher education, i would call to your uh your, what a resource management tool of science and technology. so in essence, all 7 of those areas. so 6, the over the do you put chains in relation to or by lets relationship which last year we celebrate that the obviously that the use of different method relations

between the south africa and the us and for the nation, the relationship between them, the south african people and the adoption of people goes back probably more than the 50 takeaways during the time when is the south african people way? it's a local agent struggle we had the nation, people always found a different the dispensation which pled shut out. as i looked at the, with the south african and the african struggle. so, you know, we used to be taught us that we should never let the, the wrong repeat details and the on just a word order that we're seeing today. have a system to profile. how about that to relations, the great tides? now we have seen the west to pose b t r e sanctions on countries. the don't like. do you think or you could said

that's they could be sanctions in your country to do to your increase cooperation with russia? well, mike, i think that probably it's important to state where we stand. in particular, as it relates to what we classify as unilateral cause of sanctions, we all view of south africa that are the only august you and body that has the, sinking the right to, to impose sanctions underpinned by uh, the multi letter u and system. use the united nations security council of calls south africa is concerned that our number line post you um has been, uh you say to seek to, to uh, put us into a position of what i called cliff clark way. we uh, uh,

uh, threatened to choose the, uh, the site, the one or the other, the power of south africa obviously, is not in the line to we subscribe to the bundle principles which speaks about the, you know, the integrity of the individual in the nation states we erase with the, the, the us a couple of months in the us state. that one is 3 sion i wilkinson, when we were looked at about the, uh, the russian uh maligned uh, activities above that the, the, the house uh, and receipts device which ultimately directed the gains boat state, the non state actors that are seen to be in support of the, of us and for the nation. and i think we, we were successful because of those specific reference to african uh,

activities as it relates to the sense that they shouldn't was removed from that particular button. but we remain concerned that the, obviously, those unilateral sanctions of being a champion, as we speak against that us. and for that i said, and many other countries, i mean disregard mike. we speak about the economic wrote case against the people of cuba since 1962. and if we recall and take your list view was in confidence. it's the same security concerns that last time for the nation. where raising about the east with the expansion of nato in ukraine, in close proximity to the a lesson border, was a mother image of the security coincidence that the united states of america 1962

during the cuban missile crisis have phrase and that prompted the cuban people to have been subject to, you know, and could not make bouquets of more than 60 years because of security of that i'm putting on the security a opa seats to get the interest off of the us. so we, we owe, basically concerned because apart from what we have seen with the cubans, you have seen your, the letter, liquor nomics functions level to gain. so the people of zimbabwe by the u. s. a by d u k. and by the e. u at which it in essence so nice the the it or the other people of them probably. so we obviously prone mike on a conduct that is not very cool and silent, but with the united nations shuttle value innovation to you know, you know, that typically as of functions right now let's talk about breaks and little bits.

now we've seen the expansion of economic integration of brakes countries. and one thing the world is looking forward to is settling by lot you a trade and national currencies, whether both countries that are involved in such kind of trade now is that is hen that by the west, one we'll be able to how far east south africa are ready to go in defending it, stand in, settling by law, tried to trade in national currencies, i think probably for you know, your fewest to better appreciate the evolution of the topics. payments, settlement system it's, it's equally critical for you. you'll feel we're still understand 3 pallets of cooperation amongst breaks a member states or the 1st one speaks about the centrality of political and security cooperation. this is,

mike speaks about the importance of optics that breaks uh the nation stage should have in regards to peace and security at the l to into what we do for see that increasingly peaceful, you know, we stepped into particular proximity, as it relates to international peace and security architectures concern. the 2nd issue obviously speaks about the centrality of economic and financial corporation. if you look at the, the, you know, some of the practical steps we have taken was the stablish been in us had knowledge ation on a equal share a capital basis, the new develop and banker in to be that the saw not to be um, you know, uh, and this is the existing uh, but i don't know what these a do some size issue i am asking you will be. but is really you in the be,

was established to ensure that the, you know, it becomes a, a more easily. and it was a 3 and reference point. full financial uh, allocation of capital in mobilization of capital for member states of your, of, of buddies. the, the us pick up out the breaks payment and settlements system we should be a new koval call about that. we should speak about that in the same product enough . then debates that has been getting the right thing to public that that sold to uh, you know, uh, equate similarities in relation to the delilah zation is absolutely not the same thing. what to it intends to do, mike is to ensure that there is a brakes. a family of nation is where it goes to 3 months, our sales, and that the rates obviously uh the and able to should be the settlement on

local currencies without having to invoke international financial systems. in regards to that, the type of issue at that obviously micro speaks to the g 2 in the road. meg map on the cross border payment system. so it's actually a minor image of what the g to in the nation's us speaking about. it's a, you know, i tend to call in, it's a toss through a defined african payment system that the african united states has speaking about . so it's a key and able to ensure that breaks member states 3 set easily. so the economic, the bins of each financial today. and then obviously the loss of cooperation speaks about the synthetic deal, people to people, cooperation and cultural diplomacy. uh, that obviously is evident if you look at the, the, the,

the entire continents in essence, from the global south on our, presented in the brakes of a family of nations. it's interesting now a area and the this year we, we, the united states, the read some backs, the days of after got to south africa of supplying alms and weapons to russia. and as it is, of course, russia responded very firmly, calling on the us not to drug high into issues between russia and on how self. but after that was settled, was pay any kind of pressure that your country came under from the west. well, um i think the most important issue, mike, for these 1st the prospecting, the foreign policy, independent for the following policy position. so for the, for

a nation including that of south africa we, we have chosen to, you know, to amplify on the line, the sun points as it relates in particular to the conflict between process and ukraine. these concepts. so we should be under vocal about that. in fact, our membership of being part of the non, the line movement and subscribing to bundle principles boots that obligation on south africa not to in, in, in essence to become conflicted in difficulties that big powers face. with the and in particularly year we speak about the difficulties that the, the nato advice have as a us and said that ation i face with anthem sophie, it's joe political outlook as it relates to this one. ukraine is concerned. so we,

we, we should be obviously on the approval code about that issue between south africa in the us cx, is that the political partnership at which, or the natalie mike base on shared fairly was a principle sofa of a democracy and global patients in areas of uh, good governance and economic diplomacy. it was unfortunate that the, the, you or somebody to the m f up to south africa is engaging or aiding that i sense that they shouldn't military, i think, do with appreciate. that is a, is a developing countries hold off with the f, not that type of capacity to 8. that i sense that the russian military. so if you look at the entry point of that type of, of argument, the,

it was complete the rational but beat as it may a president, i'm a pause, a point that they inquiries that validate that, you know, i was fun pointed to, we f, not a that their us and for the reason military, in fact, what the, the shipment entails was the procurement during a deep decode with 19 fund day me, for the, you know, through the capacity is the relates to peacekeeping missions in, in this, out of africa is concerned. so it's the unfortunate and we, we obviously stand for them at our is our nemesis should appreciate where we stand is a is a upon african state in relation paul foreign policy and

people to 3 speak. you know, our standpoint as it relates to different areas in to work this consent. and it's obviously the unfortunate that we had to, you know, undergo and i'm quite a severe beating on the financial markets because of the perceptions that was leveled against us. we have seen fresh struggles against new colonialism among the african countries and countries are beginning to reconsider the relation knowing the engagement to the west. why do you think this is resonating among african countries? now let's 1st be absolutely clear that the unconstitutional changes of cover monthly. norfolk, it is not the recall and say that but with the african agenda not withstanding the

perceive or actually negate the fraud, that former colonial power powers continued to play in africa. and yeah, i'm a specific fear referencing, you know, this, i'll go great lakes region to undergoing some complex difficulty. but importantly, my get, you know, the former uh no, no powers has a responsibility to ensure that them, you know, 8 to 8 does not necessarily be at every, every, by 3 sense that operations. but actually, you know, support the development agenda of countries which they have been responsible, dakota nice. and in year i'm speaking for example, i know and the experience because we have been there calling new of the united kingdom, the u. k. in our relationship both in terms of common health,

well the membership and also in terms of the pallet to where we have seen for example, the u. k. i deeply invested in relation to science and technology in relation to the thought of them being a key for and patrick, invest the and able to ensure that, you know, as a form of a colony, the u. k. plays a particular developmental role that to skim good to good. what, what this obviously concerns us is that if a political independence has not necessarily imply economic independence. the dead all of us should because send the po to, you know, set then the condition of a specs as it relates to a, you know, a depo know project needs obviously to be x 7 because increasing the joy of

african, a young person that they obviously more conscious, politically, den, yes, the, so we, we all obviously concerned that, you know, the african agenda is not been able to get the type of the same support from former a colonial must this in a number of unconstitutional changes of governments have demonstrated that the, you know the, the question about the development that governance power then ended death resulted in what we call social up even in countries where you have seen, you know, the military, it that, that assume she would ship of a ordinarily should be a civilian process. so it's onto this as to what we stand for his africa, and we have quote on, you know, on your military rulers,

to ensure that they are for immediate discussions with a you commission, you know, in august to look at the parent sees, you know, a plan towards a civilian go right now, let's talk about the ongoing prices in, in eas, well, between israel and palestine, we saw a lot of full coal support on the african continent for panos by the way, the demonstrations in fabulous with africa in nigeria and some of the countries that with the demonstrations outright lead in support of palestine. now, what do you think the continent can do when it comes to bringing solutions? because we've seen a new move where leaders in africa trying to take a step towards resolving or mediating between current war and countries of the world. what role can the african continent play in bringing solution to the

challenge you sent them at least? well, i think the 1st aspect is obviously when we look at the the conflict as it relates to use that i didn't follow spanish. glancing at this integrity in the nobility of the un security council comes to the full. so in essence, firstly, the power of the for the african nations, mike, is about the common african position as a spouse by your as well when the consensus which subscribe to the fact that africa must be present at the, in a permanent capacity. we're pick up an in the un security council yukon, have the permanent members so called the b 5 in accordance to the times of 1945 my that 78 this they after. and for the main

statement to you, kind of a situation where they are continues to be victo rights and privileges that exclusive amongst members of the b 5. that one vote vet those, the entire opinion as it relates to work. bees in security, and i'll get there to school is that the 2nd aspect is obviously to continue to champion the cis about peace diplomacy. we, we, uh, you know, happy that the, the you and secretary to and that are like the new equip partners invoke, i think the 99 uh that enabled team to quote a moses session of the un security council. but of course we, we, we are concerned that the, for example, the us have, actually, you know, rattled a, a truce between the fighting

a actors in relation to the conflicting casa. and obviously it was fair to it by part of the us. and we continued to obviously engage the united states of america in them. so if it's a push it, as it relates to human that, that in diplomacy and the need to deescalate the need to establish a ceasefire at the need to establish a human at that inquired and the need my to go back to the negotiation table in the quarter and to the 9 to 93. also a court so which speaks about you know, this and tell it the offer to stay solution with each other something as the capital of palestine in accordance the board is of $9067.00. so those are the issues that we are looking at this african states. but we, i think our people also appreciate that you know,

in as much as for on policy the past of the state, the state, the, you know, the hands of government, a non state actors, the ordinary people, civil society, community based organizations. there is a central role to ensure this unity of purpose and this for the region that for example, the south african bottom and have a you know, vote at the and after level engagement, you know, for, for a, temporarily suspension of a, you know, diplomatic relations between south africa and, and, and the state of is that right now you, you've talked about the united states z, towing it to this where everyone is calling for peace for the united states. saved the can be peace, you know, from what is going on in the un security council. the, what did you assessments of the tactic or the agenda of the united states in this

particular conflict that is ongoing. and besides, how is it going to rob of, on the perception of all the countries towards the united states? well, i remember i can speak about the views of other countries. what i can speak about these, what is the optics of the oppressed people of the, what is the views of the global? so to which, you know, we, we are presenting here today. obviously, you know, when you speak about the infringement of the you and talk to the us through broke up documentation has been very vocal when it spoke about the annexation of the 3 sin east. and you agree by that? i sent that asia, but if it, if spoken, with a muscle voice in the relation to the next ation 75 us

back in already 19 for the 8th of the length of defense, then people. so tell me what you are seeing here is inconsistency in relation to international law. and it's up acacia. and we, we are concerned because what, what the state of the said it should be engaging on as we speak today. is genocidal conduct against the people of palestine. you've seen that the a people being target the cause of death and this that the because of the way they look and us not seeing the consistency of the us. the best piece about 5 nation all for you know, a, at an exemption instead of 3 of the palestine. people, you have not seen a decry, you know, and coincidence,

express on the killing and maiming of more than $15000.00 thing woman and children. his were speaking of, i will call that the we continue to me is for all of us to act in accordance to of international law. way at the you and child though fairly low. so becomes the supremacy that we look at the was the, that the spend my phone, social justice and respect for life or be the up in the, in the palestine conflict. a be a ukrainian in that done by some reason. that is what we are quoting for. south africa, hon. a deputy minister have in both tests. thank you so much for speaking tardy. thank you very much. the the

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