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us with ads, tens of thousands, the majority of them, women and children would have been killed by the time you're watching this with british american and you nation weapons. joining me now from re add in saudi arabia's documents where i was okay. i couldn't make, i'm right here. thank you so much. sure. no problem is okay, you have coming on. so whether this rate for you on contract depends again, both lawyers do these in israel to meet and you know, and give him a weapons on not why do you think that unusual? this a top can i said panel that saudi arabia in the you a was gonna pay for all the destruction that we're seeing on social media. and obviously, no one can bring the lives back that i lost every every hour. but what does he mean? saudi arabia in the u. a going to pay for it. oh, well 1st of all, uh, thank you very much for having me. i'm happy to be with you. um, if we are going to go down the path of asking uh this sort of questions, we perhaps should to go for 2 years back in history and question all the false
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statements which is parts of the media strategy of success a is really a government. i think one needs to have not just the grain of salt, but perhaps uh, 3 kilograms of salt. whenever there is an official statements coming out to any is really government. it's established in terms of research, as well as uh, what we have seen in the past. few decades, so that is really government not just the nothing. yeah. whose is really government use a certain tactics, one of which is such false media statements. and i suppose if there's one glimmer of light, it's the genocide it is being the whole world is now on the same side as the arab league, even canada and britain, its name to wood, one believe. but the but will relations change between saudi arabia and the countries that are harming the janice,
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britain and europe in union is still supplying the weapons, killing those children that we see every how. how do, how would that affect relations between the world and the west and european countries in the united states? uh well, uh, 1st of all, uh we have to, uh, look at the weight off of, uh, of i think uh on the part of the arab islamic mysterious committee under saudi arabian leadership. they are trying to use their relationship with those western european countries and western countries in general to the benefits of serving the way for word. i think it's much more we have to be realistic, i'm prismatic, it is much more beneficial, pragmatic, practical, to try to use our relationship with them in order to push things in
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a positive direction rather than strain the relationships which are already under a lot of pressure because of those positions you have, we would just have mentioned how much under pressure do you think now i liked a lot. i would say a lot, a few look. the 1st stop is that uh the saw the lead arab islamic uh, mysterious committee. 12, it wasn't any western capital, it was china. this in itself is significant. not just because china at the time was the president of the monthly presidents of the security council. but because of sending a symbolic message to all of our partners that you are a siding, you are on the wrong side of history. here you are on the wrong side of morality or values. what you preach on a daily basis to russia and other countries. you are on the wrong side of international law, international humanitarian law, and basic humanity. so uh,
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this in itself is symbolic. a, there are a tremendous pressure. so saudi arabia and other arab and islamic countries are using diplomatic tools in order to encourage and convince those partners. we have some minor success, not grades, but nonetheless, it's something that's moved for words and the right. there's a direction, it's not enough. 9 we have to accept the reality. nonetheless, it is one small step and the right direction. and we have seen breton, uh, changed a little bit, its position friends as well. and we hope that the most significant position that as the us will see some positive developments or is it actually loading mask and twitter we where we get our information from that i really like pictures and images more than they are. well, that is changing opinions and add nato countries. it is
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difficult at this point to draw reliable a trusted links of causality is between point a leading to point b. nonetheless, we can say that a twitter or, or x and other uh, new social media platforms have and less than the negative impact of media monopolies in the west, which do not reflect reality is but rather reflect certain political editorial positions that are far away from reality on the ground, they are citing with the aggressor with the apartheid regime of israel with the atrocities. and the there is so much dr. inc editing of images
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coming out of palestine. and we are seeing a little bit of change in those main stream. western media, partly although i cannot say with absolute certainty, certainty, but partly because of breaking their monopolies. pulver narratives over the stories . i'm facts and good parts to use social media platforms. yeah, i mean western kind of a, in the united states, a huge numbers, a hearing just about palestine and according to deposed. and yet, so these me, this your investment to call you the finally reportedly said, saturday, israel normalization is still on the table. do you think it is on the table that um uh, we have to define what on the table and saudi arabian terms means uh on the table means a way uh for words for palestine. palestine is essential. and any step
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towards normalizing relations with israel. if normalisation with israel will help bring us closer to a credible back towards the city and state, then it, there's more than welcome. and i think although i do not represent any official point of view, i'm not part of any official. uh, conversations a or me things, but as a researcher, i think this is the meaning of, on the table for saudi arabia. i don't know how the state department works because they appear in the state me the statement. i'm just gonna tell you that to think them saudi is connected to how mouse, which is a bizarre notion, but of the senate foreign relations committee, the vitamin deputies extra estate. nobody could. campbells of israel is still interested in normalizing with saudi despite october. the 7th though, it's a strength to shift a conjunction of the phrases that but clearly the united states is still interested
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in fostering this or of course, when 1st of full, the closest ally of how much is mr. nothing, y'all and his government. let's not forget that they both time us and the nothing yahoo extremist phonetic governments agree on the number of issues. be of the piece of process a, b, it's b as training, any peaceful, diplomatic solution, etc, etc. it was nothing yahoos, governments actually that's pressured, but the government in order to funnel money to how much through as really intelligence services is right. the airports accept drugs such rob, let's, this is an important element of context here. i asked 2 statements coming out of washington. we are used to different contradictory declarations. how much has a negative relationship with saudi arabia. it has been the case for almost 2
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or 3 decades. let's go back to the turn of the century woodside. the rapier brokerage, a national unit t, a peaceful efforts between 5th and thomas and mca, under the patronage of the previous custodian with the tool. he must think i've been a law uh i'm promised broke. what it's committed itself to do. i did not respect uh its uh, commitments in those meetings to the saudi arabian government. we have another negative incidents and b. and so in gears. so the notion to say, that's how you write best reports, how much effort and the 7th of october it's, it's just absurd. i think, daily. i mean, i must, was on the american side interior as well as i understand why on her ben consolidate notes and say, oh, hospital ship to, to gaza. and i mean,
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i suppose it would be during the, by the ministration not to blow it up, but to protect and, and to help perhaps those uh people who are uh, wounded in pain in gaza as there is no shortage. uh well 1st of course, either i be a spent hundreds of tons of humanitarian aids and medical supplies, medical personnel, uh medications, food, uh, clothing and some reports. you know, the world health organizations and medication and getting through summer boards even said anesthetic is not coming through these ratings of taking it. i was gonna get to this point. there is no short, wilford and number one. so there might be a sense ships, uh, airplanes, uh, by all means of transportation to hundreds of tons of humanitarian, a medical food and other supplies. number 2,
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there is no shortage of humanitarian aid. there is a shortage of access or a lack of access to be more accurate. uh, israel is not allowing access of food. israel is actually clements in a war crime. violate, think a long list of international laws, international humanitarian laws, by using food uh, medical supplies. uh uh walter um, uh, a gas and other essential elements. the vital elements. uh for the palestinian livelihood as a what then it wants to force them. it looks like uh, the ultimate goal of israel is to push everyone on the border of egypt. then create a dfcs to situation where its uh, forcefully displaced them. and to egypt, it seems like that this is the plan. they have been bombarding costs,
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but those would pretext of tunnels under ground. and that's been several weeks. we haven't seen any glimpse of any evidence of such things. it seems like there, there is a systematic effort to force phone palestinians to the egyptian borders as a 1st step towards displacing them forcibly into egypt. dr. i'm was okay. i'll stop you that more from this idea academic and right draft of this right . the more expensive and i'm here to plan with you, whatever you do, do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. what are the plans that you
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have? the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you think . the russian states never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best. most all set and set up the must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full. even our video agency,
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roughly all the band on youtube tv services, for what question did you say even twist, which is the plug it back to going underground? i'm still here with the side of the academic advising department, so i was okay. we were talking about uh, salvation actually in the webinar izing food and mentioned as a war, crimes 90 percent, according to the well, definitely programming cause i don't eat every day. what about then oil? i mean, it wasn't that long ago that the saudis were refusing blinking, so, begging for increases in uh, oil production,
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just before comp to idea. you can do buy again, the americans wanted it, but actually opec plus decreased production. this could be used in this case to save somehow the children of the guys at the moment. as we know, israel is buying oil on these markets. that one could make it a bit of an expensive for all their war planes and jets funded by the united states to my to slaughter so many children. well, 1st of all, i do not think i disagree with the leak drawn between uh the production of oil and the killing. v is really uh, apartheid regimes, massacre and genocide of posting in children, men and women and the elderly. i don't think that there is a link between the 2 that's points. number one, points. number 2, i saw the rape. yeah. as
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a responsible energy producer and the energy global uh and the global energy markets and the global economy. if we go back to the year 2019, everybody was asking us all sorts of, of things related to reducing production, increasing production accept truck for their own goals. not necessarily. um, uh, for the benefits of everyone else. the us asked us to reduce production, then in 2020 to the uh, to increase production. then they asked us a few years later to reduce to increase production, etc, etc. so saudi arabia, as a responsible energy producer, our main responsibility is to help maintain energy markets, stability, uh, threatening or playing with a commitment not respecting our commitment contracts accept truck does not sure. uh,
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international economies debility that's point to number 2 points. number 3, i question whether there will be a direct, meaningful impact. even if hypothetically we go down that path. our main clients are not in the west. our main clients as china, then japan then and the, there's was korea and then the list goes on. so i question whether the jeopardizing our relationship with the global south would help palestine if anything, is leveraging color relationship as we have seen in the recent weeks how the saudi arabian leadership of the era by this my mic world symbolized by the assignment serial committee. how leveraging our relationship with those very same actors.
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how actually build an international. ready momentum calling for a cease fire, calling for upholding international law and putting pressure on the us and b, you're being a backers of this is really apartheid genocide. so we will put those relations with china with india, with south africa, with lots in america. we will put them in jeopardy, and i would argue that as a consequence of jeopardizing those relations is re on will gain a much more comfortable position internationally to continue the genocide it's doing against the palestinians, not the country. so i think we should reconsider the argument for an oil and bar. okay. do which the response from nature nations is of course being to i could be weaponized that propaganda media against gcc countries is saudi arabia and
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gcis. the countries, are they prepared for the onslaught that presumably is to be expected because of its a role in marshalling global support for palestine to um, i doubted uh, international transformations as the international system level do not allow. uh for, let's say, uh, i need creased pressure from western countries as a consequence of saudi arabian leadership of those global south voices and countries and supports of palestine. um, saudi arabia, 1st of all, uh, from a theoretical standpoint as a middle sized power. 6 its a swing power and those uh, global transformations. uh, in simpler terms, everyone needs to become friends without the rape. yeah. and i highly doubt that
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they do have the means to put a increased pressure on side uribe as a payback for saudi arabian leadership of aero business line, the countries and global south country as well as the problem i've gotten into their own people's isn't that from corporate media or in western europe in the united states, not to go as to the rest of the world perhaps. so we have gone through much darker phases. you'll uh, we all remember uh, the uh, fedex of mr. by the. where did that lead him? uh, finally, he ended up coming to did the uh, to meet with the saudi arabian leadership. uh, all those products after surgery, they refused. uh, as a responsible uh, energy uh, global energy superpower refuse to recognize oil and succeeded in keeping oil away from politics as much as we could. uh, by then preston,
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sanctions. if we didn't join efforts against russia, where did that collect? uh end up. so maybe it's more of a deer or directed towards local audiences than anything meaningful in the international arena. well, as regards human rights, real human rights, not those pursued the weaponized dogs, usually by day 2 nations. do you think britain, the united states and you, nations will never be punished with their role in the gaza genocide? definitely in different ways and different time frameworks. i argue that the rise of china and the western monopolies, us monopolies, and economic zones of influence spheres of influence. uh, that was one of the consequences of the rise of china. the recent events and reza
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and palestine and the western moral authority, their whole discourse and their efforts, systematic effort to contain china is predicated at the level of the discourse on 2 things. one, the respect of the rules based international system. and now we are seeing them, the main aggressors, the main violators of the international, the rules based system, uh, international law, international humanitarian law, double standards, etc, etc. she link is really war crimes uh, from any li, international legal, consequence. and their whole discourse about human rights, democracy and their efforts to contain china has collapsed in palestine and the recent events. where are the human rights of fellow citizens of children,
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the apartheid regime of israel's army? uh, come uh, captured a 9 year old child until come to a street away from his family, from his uh, neighborhoods to interrogate him for a couple of hours. where are the human rights? western governments positions. this is a huge, more, a crisis for the west, and from that point of view, i think there will be due marable consequences for the west, for the u. k. for germany, for france, and many other western countries. well, as you know, the pictures of that job won't be leading the evening bulletins on news channels in, in western countries. alas, russia and china one to seize water, of course, what was the significance then of you already mentioned china being important of letting me a page and visit. i bowed to the you a and to saudi arabia,
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mates the ongoing cottage and gaza as well. um, we very much appreciate the support uh of, of china, of many countries, uh, south africa, russia and many, many countries of less than america now for 10, asia and the whole world. i think it is very significant to see the whole world uh, seeing what you know by a unified voice stop the carnage, stop the genocide and palestine. this carries a significant weight. but you know, the international criminal court. heather is, i think as being on the show, green guy is investigating palestinian crimes. i think against the history of these and as a warrant out for vladimir push it is it, is it not really taken seriously anymore? that west and the conception of human rights? less than european. uh, uh its uh,
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the balance of power. how it carries weight with those kinds of procedures. uh, if anyone should be, uh, try it for crimes against humanity. it is a long list of his really officials, military and civil politicians, a civil servants, etc. and they have committed much, much more grave violations and crimes against humanity. but the uh, strategic weight of the west. a still there, it's still significantly important. and the balance of power and back the balance of power has an impact direct on sometimes in direct, on international processes. one of which is the international uh, criminal court court of justice. yeah, i mean, just, just finally, i mean, do you think you grain and now guys and over the bodies of counselors, civilians in both countries, in both places, in palestine and,
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and ukraine. the multi polar world is really here, given the responses from nato countries. uh uh that uh is uh, subjects to, uh, a much uh, wider uh, debate. uh, in order to suppose a multi polarity. you need 2 things. one as opposition. and we certainly have opposition to the us who gemini, unipolar world order. but at the same time, we need the 2nd element, which is uh, a relative, a quality of power. we are yet to see that relative a quality of power. i do not think that we have an even close uh, international power. uh that can uh, significantly challenge us had gemini and as a consequence of the lack of this 2nd condition or element,
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i do not think that we are in front of the emergence. so from all tight puller world. but that is not at all to say that we are still under our unipolar world, that's you. and the polarity is over as manifested by the challenge and the systematic opposition. the rise of middle size, swing powers, the rise of the so called global south, etc, etc. dot com is okay, thank you. thank you sir. and that's it for the show. i'll continued condolences to those of iving, the killing him guys, and we'll be back with the brand new episode on saturday until then. keep in touch by role as social media results ends in your country. network channel going underground tivo, normal don't come to us and even old episodes of going undergrad. so you said the,
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the idea of strikes hits the maternity ward and southern god, killing one child and wounding several others. us as the death sold in the region is approaching 19000. we hear from witnesses plentiful from anata. we went up stairs from the maternity words very quickly, and so people screaming on the 2nd floor for 2 rooms worth it. when i saw as one person in peace and another person was killed, the injured or all children of the human rights watch, accused of israel, of using starvation as a weapon of war against the people of gaza. sorry academic month. so almost all kid believes israel is deliberately block.
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