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been called congress and do the right thing to stand with ukraine to stand up for freedom. and i want to thank you for being here and help the cause. the . it seems like a very dramatic shift in tone among the circles of power, not the enthusiasm. we have the beginning of this special military operation. i at this point we see the circles of power, the united states, the congress, and even the presidency. they're not so enthusiastic, not so excited about ordering more weapons and funding in the kia. so we'll have to see how this plays out. give that a package does finally go through and. and if in fact it is what many suspects could be the final aid package. yeah, the, to the u. s. presidential race where donald trump has been from the ballot and the democrats on the state of colorado by the local supreme court. the republican
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frontrunner has voted to appeal and accused the white house of jeopardizing the nations freedoms. i say i'm a threat to democracy. know joe biden. if there's a threat to democracy, pipe all of the things that we talk well, according to the court, donald trump cannot get on the states come to that list. due to his rule in the capitol hill, arrives back in january 2021 in washington, dc. west or something nice seems to get it any attack on congress and condemn. the so called insurrection is bombed in colorado, is expected to appeal to ruling out the u. s. federal supreme court. that some of the following, the colorado state brewing a trump campaign statement, a curious that democrats of being in a quote, state of part of noise over the, in, during popularity of the republican candidates. meanwhile, incumbent president biden is rapidly losing public support. according to the latest nationwide poets look at this 34 percent. that is the number biden's approval
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rating. us had an all time low. it's the full 20 percentage points from when he was elected 3 years ago. the decline has been of tribute to public concerns over high inflation as well as security on the infamously, porous border with mexico. steve gill again saves the policies of the democrats of deeply divided american society. or, you know, it's been pretty good for, for generations past until we have this massive divide that i think is a large part of, of democrats who literally suffer from, from a mental illness of trauma, derangement syndrome. they hate him so much. they're literally opening the pandora's box on a whole bunch of issues that will come back to harm them. for example, you've got 27 of the 50 states right now who have republican attorney general's. what does they all take for tact if we're gonna take joe biden off the ballad, you want to pursue this past week and remove candidates as well. and then they're also claiming that they're gonna prosecute president trump of deeds that he did
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while he was president. that were not legal, they just didn't like him. they didn't piece in twice the 1st one on the russia hopes, which was completely bogus. the 2nd impeachment after he had left the office. so they're doing these bizarre court cases and fairly to recognize that it can be turned around on them in the future. you know, if they can wipe out presidential immunity, which has been in place for hundreds of years that can also apply to prosecuting joe biden. and brock obama, back to bill clinton, if what you do as president is not protected by presidential immunity for your official acts that concern the other way. so i think democrats with their crazy trumped arrangements syndrome are opening the door to have the same thing done to them in the future. steve gill, taking us to the end of this news block. well, we are cross talking go again and moments couch peter, and guess, discussing how washington stumps on funding ukraine. this turn from as long as it takes to as long as we come up next to stay close
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the the, the hello, and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter level. it's amazing what can happen over the course of a few months. not long ago biting was in static. the us would back you great, as long as it takes now, it is as long as we can. what happened? no doubt the receiving care of us taking notes. the cross. how can you crane? i'm joined by my guess daniel was are in new york. he is
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a journalist and author of 3 books on the us constitution. in mount jackson, we have guarantee the cost of the fee is a retired us air force was kind of the kernel having served at both n, s a and the office of the secretary of defense and pulse. so we crossed the jeremy, whose motto he is manage the editor of cobra action magazine right across stock rolls. and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate danielle, let me go to you 1st in new york. so what happened though, as long as the dates do, as long as we can, i don't know how many people have picked up on it, but it's a huge, discursive change. well, the war is not going very well from the u. s. point of view. it is no fun losing a war. so when that happens, the temptation is very great to sort of walk away from the mess and let others clean it up. and that's what the us is doing. uh, the biden is bogged down. he's got tours in his hands, he's got a major crisis of the southern border. he has some republican revolt in congress, which is essentially paralyzing his administration. and he's trying to figure out
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a way of an extra katie himself from the mass. but it's not very clear that there is a way out. so he is stuck, and certainly the age of the ukraine may very well wind up on the cutting room floor. well, you don't care, and it seems to be a good shifting problem. as long as it takes, as long as we can, we're going into the finger pointing mode. now it's, you know, who's to blame. oh, you don't sell your house republicans. um, because there's other important issues in the middle east. i mean, there is up there. now, is it lensky isn't measuring up? i mean, they're, they're looking for, for, for someone due to the be the bag bag here in the, in. go ahead get karen? yeah, well, i mean, the american people in the congress to, to a great extent has been lied to about the progress is more. and since that those lies can no longer be sustained. the, the worries has never been going well for ukraine, and it's certainly in
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a much worse position today for negotiations or for a peace settlement then it was a year ago or even 2 years ago. so this, this reality is, is coming into the picture and we're seeing it in the front pages of the papers. the finger pointing is not just political, but it is being transmitted to the country to kind of prepare americans for the fact that this is over. and it's, you know, yeah, but in election you yeah, but what's really interesting here is that these people, they, they think they're clever, but they're not jeremy because they're just redefining and i mean, last summer, biden's head rice has already lost the war blinking site. exactly the same thing. they're, they're not addressing reality. they're just trying to put a different spin on it here. and because now what we're, they're talking about is a frozen conflict. as if rush, you would go along with it. they never address that part of the equation. you're trying to go for a frozen. com for like the engine, korea of we heard this a year ago. okay. i mean there recycling their own to talking points. now, jeremy,
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as well and look at the human tragedy as, as they're doing this. i mean, thousands of people are dying. you know, there was an article yesterday in the near time about chris on and the credit commander said this is a suicide mission. you go, uh so i mean, and, and there was another article in the same issue, how they're basically kidnapping people in kiev to send them to the front line. you know, ukrainian don't want us or in this war. i mean, for a long time, i think that the insurance through, that's why they had to rely on these militias. you know, privately financed militias, many of them, uh, political extremists. and now they're resorting to press ganging people into the ukranian military. so this is getting really, really ugly. uh, the other story is how i mean rushes across. the, i think the main model of the war was to grind russian to quad meyer and demonstrate their economy by ratcheting up the sanctions by clearly at the output
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and has been very bold and, and russia has survived economically, is flourishing in many ways. and there was an article today in today's new york times about the house, all these american companies, you know, put in, shrewdly kind of took them over and they just sent you a profit. all these american companies were exiting. so that part of the strategy is failure. of us thought that they was initiated, regime change operation by making putting look bad of running the russian economy. and that's not working out there. yeah, but it's interesting, daniel, at the tail end with jeremy just said they're all this political calculation about what would happen, what could happen. they've been wrong every single time, but they're still making these policies as if they're going to get some kind of when it be and you can change the language all you want, change the words all you want, but it doesn't change the reality on the ground. and that's what they don't get, daniel would be what be the big the these are trees are thinking in washington has been extraordinarily bad. and joe biden, personally,
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has been on the wrong answer these, this, this, these decisions repeatedly, many personally chup in the war in afghanistan, which of course, ended disastrously it's doing no shortly or into as a new administration. he championed the the, the invasion of iraq interventions, olivia, the proxy war and syria, and the war and the crate. and then the us virtually engineered this war from the start. us promoted the, the 201314, my don. cool. which, which tor, the country apart, and made a conflict more or less and never will. and joe biden was in the sick of this. they thought they could what, you know, when that more easily they thought they could crush, couldn't take over the vast uh, you know, natural resources of central asia confront china from both ends from the east in the west. this is this,
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these big new upper shanaski strategy that was laid out in the, in this 1998 best seller, called the great, uh, the grand chest for and uh and uh, it is failing. it is fail in the us, essentially is a or has, oh, is overstretched, overreached and now its reaching the limits of its, uh, our, yeah. and its believing its own propaganda as well. you know, karen in the wall street journal? well they and there was an article about an unclassified, of course, it was week, but it's not attached anyone's name that russia is, was up to 90 percent of its forces involved in the original special military operation, 90 percent. so why does ukraine need money? and why would anyone think that russia is going to invade the nato, a country for the last 90 percent of its army? they will, they have these 2 narratives going on simultaneously, but it doesn't make any sense. go ahead parents. well, it makes sense because they're promoting or globally,
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they're promoting or in europe. they're, you know, we're cheer leading. this, which you're lending it to the american people. so they need different stories for different audiences. um, you know, we've and we've seen nato do the same thing. nato says, oh, we're really tough. we can, we do all were so powerful. and then the, and then the very next sentence. but russia is going to evade, and they're going all the way to paris or whatever it is they say. so these stories are, are aimed at domestic populations for the most part, because ultimately it is the europeans and the american taxpayer who's a has to pay for this, or go bankrupt, trying to. so the messaging, there's actually probably 2 or is going on, at least by the, in washington one is against their own people and the propaganda war against the world. and then of course, the exercise of our military, uh, uh, in industry. you know, how do we, i mean, they sell the, the a to ukraine is sold to americans not is helping ukraine when a 100 percent of course. but mainly because it creates jobs in america. i mean by
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that just recently started talking about, oh, don't worry people, it's all about your job. so, you know, but i will say the brzezinski doctrine has been something that american politicians for decades have clung to as if it was god's promise to the earth. and it's not, it hasn't worked, it isn't working, it's impossible to sustain. and it's based on a false premise, a certain way that but right, but one thing does work, jeremy. one thing does work instead of selling this as a jobs of project, which is kind of creepy, if you is creating should be, think about a war is good for 1000000000. it's got, i can't believe it's or they're trying to sell, but they are. but it is very profitable now there's no doubt about that for a very small number of shareholders. jeremy, as well. yeah, it's profitable. profitable for the weapons contractor. i mean, it's basically the boon dog or for the, you know,
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major defense contractors and for the wall street, you know, hedge funds that own them like black rock annual robert f. kennedy junior has said this uh several times i heard them say its uh, and that's really what this amounts to uh, along with other american wars. doesn't mean there's really no value to these wars . i think the american people see that the soldier seat. i mean there's so much cynicism now in america. and i think it's, it's a very dangerous moment in american history. because that cynicism is you live in the rise of the neo fascism. you know, the trumpet movements. uh so i think it's just a very dangerous situation and yeah, we're seeing, they knew mom, the american empire crashing and burning. hopefully, hopefully not taking everybody down with which is. yeah, but can you, you know, again, you know, a kind of dropped out of the discourse, but isn't it re emerged here is to fight for democracy and ukraine. do you know
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anything about democracy in ukraine because i can't find it as well. yeah. so you crane is a country which is deeply and unstable. its um, it's uh, unstable in many respects it's torn by divided by language. it's, uh, has a huge break away section. uh there is a, uh, a far right nationalist culture in the west and ukraine which essentially dominates the country as a whole. but the whole, the next is very fall and no one knows how to play out. and that's what makes the, the situation on the military front. so dangerous is that the problem is, is not necessarily a stalemate. last thing for years and years. but a collapse that if the, if they, if the ukrainian lines break. and there's a major rush in advance. well, that'll mean i never wanted to feed for the government and key evidence of lensky,
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but it'll also on the very possibly, the civil war conditions inside the euclid. that's exactly what i've been a big thing for months now that once we see some kind of outcome on the, on the battlefield, we're going to see an internal breakdown and maybe both at the same time. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with the the more expensive and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do. do not watch my new show seriously by watch something that's so different. i listed of opinions that he won't get anywhere else working with plans. as you have the state department, c,
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i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go and a slight change and whatever you do, don't want my shell stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction. but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you want to make the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter will about your mind you were discussing. you create the okay, let's go back to karen in mount jackson. it over the last, i think about 2 weeks or 2 months, we have seen the word stalemate being played out. and it's actually in the west the western powers to be they kind of use it as a positive, as least ukraine hasn't lost. that's how they're spinning it here. but it,
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it really isn't this fail made it's, it's a growing defeat for ukraine because as much frustration is there is with russia strategy with a special military operation. and i've expressed it personally on this program here . but if in the larger setting, if you are 40000 feet in the air, it's working, let's see. ukrainian military come to the russian force has to be an isolated and that's exactly what's been going on for a good part of 20 months. right now. that policy is working as in patient that makes us all feel because i want to see this come to an end. i see this war is completely senseless. so many young men being destroyed for a war that never should have happened, but essentially the russian planet of destroying the mil, military capacity of a nato back military is happening. karen? and yes, it is happening, and i think this is hardly what nato wants it to stop before it becomes even more obvious, the real danger that nato presents, by stoking and picking fights, that it can't, that it can't even fight much less prevail in. so, um, you know,
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it's, it's a, it's a huge problem, but yeah, the crane, i think 6 to 7000000 people, what many women and children have left the country course. they're in various parts of europe and around the world as i guess refugees, immigrants are. but many of them are not return, many of them are not planning to return. the dumbass area will stay russian, so they've lost the population in the industry that was in the east. so ukraine is fractured. it's fractured in a material way in a territorial way. it's politically fractured and you mentioned democracy when democracy zaleski has, has banned religions. he's and he's suspended political parties jail to his political opponents. and the mayor of kia is so frustrated that he's probably spoken about zelinski corruption, port leadership. so the country is being destroyed from inside and outside. um, honestly, to me and i don't know if it's a good thing or
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a bad thing. i'm not rush it, i'm not ukrainian. but the russians seem to have bins restraint in the, in the way they've approached this whole thing they have. because in a traditional, more fighting scenario, now's the time to strike and take it completely off the map. and they're not doing that. rushes, not doing that, they've never wanted to do that. that's not part of hooton's agenda. it's not part of the russian armies agenda, but they could, and the very fact that they could, after all of the money the west has poured in, after all of the, the global sanctions and all the efforts that we've made to back up. this is not just a small loss, it's not a stalemate. this is a major the feet of the. c just the, there pharmacy in the, you know, the, the juxtaposition of course is what the israelis are doing to gaza. that's what total war looks like. and a genocidal. not at that. i as we're speaking right now, people are drinking drinking, cup of tea, nose and cab. okay,
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that's the difference. all right, jeremy, it seems to me because elections always play a role in this decision making here. and given that the congress is unwilling, at least at this point, i, you know, i want to, you know, ukraine will keep getting money as well. you know, 60000000000. i don't think so. but the, the administration is going to keep the stick it on it just, it's not going to be so full blast here. and i, you know, this is what i, what of i live support approach. this is what the, the by demonstration will have at least up until the election agree. i i agree. yeah, yeah. to add to the camera. so also they've been assassinating, not just the jailing. this estimated the. busy of the socialist party in parliament in moscow, as it is a mafia regime in ukraine have been wide scale assassinations extending into russia . and yet it's really a trick of george orwell. the. this is presented in believe by penny and the liberal community in united states that this has some great democracy and crate
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fight for democracy. is that to answer your question? uh, yeah, i mean, buying is committed, i think, to the hilt and they'll find the way. and i mean, look, look what happened in the eighty's with the criteria war when congress cut off a what they do, they found cobra ways to continuously arm the cartridge. and i think there are a lot of parallel in other countries where the terrorist organization intent on sabotaged in the garage to understand the nice those. and i think you crane and basically a mafia regimes with terrorist adjunct like the ease of battalions. and i think that they'll find ways to fund them covertly. if congress cuts cuts off the so called each state. now the pentagon and the, the real power brokers and they can also use other countries. 3rd countries they've done historically when red regime become really and popular and per i as they find other country. often israel has done that work uh uh to arm them. so i,
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i think this may continue to kind of low intensity conflict for a long time. unfortunately, you know, daniel, you, with the, the love affair with is a lensky, seems to be fading away. i mean, a year ago, he was in front of congress. and much to my chagrin, seeing a major party officials carrying a foreign flag and the congress should offend everyone, at least they did me here. but we had a few months ago, the economist in time magazine, not, not the most uh, charitable, with the use and zalinski. and then with his latest trip to washington, he returned home essentially empty handed. i know $200000000.00 has a lot. i'd like it, but been considering what he's got in the past that's come, change here and zalinski is more or less done. i mean, if he's not the rain maker at the financial term to make money, what value is he to you? great, daniel. well, he's, are you right, has his rain making,
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your powers are or diminishing. so there's, he's not much value anymore. but the, the, the real issue is the us and the us. i mean, so lensky is a us instrument. the us put them in power. they are, they arrange for him uh to, to, uh, you know, to heads up, you know, to head up to. so the us funded military. uh now the us is getting tired of getting bored and that's other conflicts on his hands. and so it's walking away. uh, and i think that uh, that disaster is moving. i think there's gonna be extremely dangerous situation in the ukraine and in europe as well. i think they, i think the future of nato is a real question. and the, and the us has no idea how to deal with that. there's diminishing confidence in, in the, by the ministration. his numbers are plunging. uh, everyones, preparing themselves for a truck for a trump presidency to point 0. and trump will certainly see to put
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nato on an entirely new foot and uh, and, and nato itself. the european now eyes are, uh, are just like, you know, shaking their heads and wondering what it all means. and its going to need a very big change. 2024, it's going to be a very big here. it's gonna be a very turbulent debt to visit, disabling self care. and you know, it's really interesting. i'm glad we started talking about nato and, and trump here. because of course, you know, the scare monitoring by trump will take us out of nature. well, you know, out, and they're gonna, they passed in congress, you know, amendment. so you can do it at all. which, constitutionally, as it is quite a duty to know, but that's really, i think what's really interesting is it, jo, buying is different, but you may tell them over the drum error possibly could, because he's prevent the presiding over a strategic defeat for the alliance. karen, now it's absolutely true and um, you know, history in the trees sometimes takes
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a little time to evolve as we look at what happened in the past couple of years. certainly in europe, with regards to nato with american policy. when we look at that, the mistakes are going to be really obvious as to what is what has happened here. but yeah, by noon um and it's not clear vitamins leading the country. i mean the man is clearly a senile. you know he's, he's drugged up. he's not, he's not mentally leading the country there, but the people around him, the neo conservatives around him, are driving american foreign policy. and they have never seen a wall. they didn't want to drive into and they're doing it again. they never take responsibility for their mistakes. however, the reckoning time is coming because europe can't sustain nato without the united states money. and many european countries are over and getting their going broke their deadlock. there's a lot of demographics there, not right to, to raise huge army. same goes for the united states, and we're more broke than they are. so, as the reckoning comes, but the financial reckoning, a political reckoning and you know,
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we can talk about trust and we don't like trump, but trump represents the same populist movement. that is boy steering art and bullying up a r f k junior and other candidates. people in america are tired of work and they're tired of their limited money. going to destroy the rest of the world while not defending or even repairing our roads and bridges. i mean, this is a populous concern that shared across all parties and the actual voters and all parties share this view. so yes, 2024 is going to be very, very exciting. and i'll tell you the leads in this country, washington, dc, or congress that is so worried that trunk is going to get elected in the 1st thing it's going to do is pull out of nato. they are panicking and i think for the rest of us and well, it's a tragedy what we're seeing and what we've seen in ukraine and certainly a tragedy in gaza. there are some things coming to america that are going to kind of tilt the, the, the,
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the balance of justice in some way. so it is free. i think it's, that's also true. it just that we're out rapidly running out of time here with me. but, you know, these, the failures of these neo liberal leads are fueling the rise of populism. right wing populism. in europe, i mean they, they, they, they, this is the best thing that could happen to the populace in europe. and the way these people are running this war and their economies, and i would say their culture is that's a different topic. jeremy, finishing off for us, go ahead that we, we could also be entering the error of greater authoritarianism or, and repression because of populations yet are unhappy. and there is growing revolts including western countries, and the leads may react the way they know how the or what they've been doing all around the world. a lot of the violence may come home here and we see it may see more, more refreshing it and more of a police state. and that's one of the dangers as people rise up because it clearly looks as a care point. people are not happy with these policies. these policies are a failure, a means of failure of governance. they're not governing for the american people.
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they're causing mayhem abroad. and there's going to be more more rebellions and we hope that they don't lease their wrath on the american p. well, we know that their 1st their, their 1st of our i'll fire line of resort is censorship. that's what they're very, very good at doing sense where he goes and disappearing us and we get to have to fight back against that as all the time we have a one, i think my guessing about jackson, new york, and in tulsa. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our d. c. next time. remember us talk about the
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