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the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter live out. it's amazing what can happen over the course of a few months. not long ago biting was in static, the us would back you great, as long as it takes now, it is as long as we can. what happened? no doubt the receiving care of those taken note. the cross. how can you crane? i'm joined by my guess daniel was are in new york. he is a journalist and author of 3 books on the us constitution in mount jackson. we have karen kosky. she is a retired us air force was kind of the kernel having served at both n, s a and the office of the secretary of defense. and in tulsa, we crossed a jeremy whose motto he is manage the editor of cobra action magazine right across stock rolls. and the fact that means you can jump any time you want that. i always

appreciate danielle, let me go to you 1st in new york. so what happened though, as long as to dig through, as long as we can, i don't know how many people have picked up on it, but it's a huge, discursive change. well, the war is not going very well from the u. s. point of view. it is no fun losing a war. so when that happens, the temptation is very great to sort of walk away from the mess and let others clean it up. and that's what the us is doing. uh, the biden is bogged down. he's got tours in his hands, he's got a major crisis of the southern border. he has some republican revolt in congress, which is essentially paralyzing his administration. and he's trying to figure out a way of an extra katie himself from the mass. but it's not very clear that there is a way out. so he is stuck, and certainly a to the ukraine may very well wind up on the cutting room floor. well, you don't care and it seems to be a little good shifting from as long as it takes,

as long as we can. we're going into the finger pointing mode. now it's, you know, who's to blame. you know, the house republicans. um, because there's other important issues in the middle east. i mean, there is a, there is a wednesday, isn't measuring up. i mean, they're, they're looking for, for, for someone due to the be the bag meg here in the in. go ahead to karen. yeah, well, i mean, the american people in the congress to, to a great extent has been lied to about the progress is more. and since that those lies can no longer be sustained. the, the worries has never been going well for ukraine, and it's certainly in a much worse position today for negotiations or for a peace settlement then it was a year ago or even 2 years ago. so this, this reality is, is coming into the picture and we're seeing it on the front pages of the papers. the finger pointing is not just political, but it is being transmitted to the country to kind of prepare americans for the fact that this is over. and it's, you know, yeah, but in election you yeah, but it,

what's really interesting here is that these people, they, they think they're clever, but they're not jeremy because they're just redefining and i mean, last summer, biden's head rice has already lost the war blinking site. exactly. the same thing, they're, they're not addressing reality, they're just trying to put a different spin on it here. and because now what we're, they're talking about is a frozen conflict. as if rush, who would go along with it. they never address that part of the equation. you crates or go for a frozen. com for like the engine, korea of we heard this a year ago. okay. i mean, the recycling their own to talking points. now, jeremy, as well and look at the human tragedy as, as they're doing this. i mean, thousands of people are dying. you know, there was an article yesterday in the near time about chris on and he created commander said this is a suicide mission. you go, uh so i mean, and, and there was another article in the same issue, how they're basically kidnapping people in kiev to send them to the front line. you

know, ukraine and don't want to serve in this war. i mean, for a long time, i think that the insurance through, that's why they had to rely on these militias. you know, privately financed militias, many of them, uh, political extremists, and now they're resorting to press ganging people into the craney military. so this is getting really, really ugly. uh, the other story is how i mean rushes economy. i think a main model of the war was to grind russians who quad meyer and demonstrate their economy by ratcheting up the sanctions by clearly at the output. and it has been very bold and, and russia has survived economically, is flourishing in many ways. and there was an article today in today's new york times about how all these american companies, you know, put in shrewdly kind of took them over and made this into a profitable all these american companies were exiting. so that part of the strategy is failure of us thought that they was initiated,

regime change operation by making putting look bad or running the russian economy. and that's not working out there. yeah, but it's a just stay daniel at the tail end with jeremy just said they're all this political calculation about what would happen, what could happen. they've been wrong every single time, but they're still making these policies as if they're going to get some kind of when it be and you can change the language all you want, change the words all you want, but it doesn't change the reality on the ground. and that's what they don't get, daniel would be what be the big the these are treated thinking in washington has been extraordinarily bad. and joe biden, personally, has been on the wrong answer these, this, this, these decisions repeatedly, many personally chup in the war in afghanistan, which of course, ended disastrously it's doing no shortly or into as a new administration. he championed the the, the invasion of iraq interventions, olivia, the proxy war and syria,

and the war and the crate. and then the us virtually engineered this war from the start. us promoted the, the 201314, my don. cool. which, which tor, the country apart, and made a conflict more or less and never will. and joe biden was in the thick of this. they thought they could what, you know, when that more easily they thought they could crush, couldn't take over the vast uh, you know, natural resources of central asia confront china from both ends from the east and the west. this is this, these big new upper shanaski strategy that was laid out in the, in this 1998 best seller, called the great, uh, the grand chest for and uh and uh it is failing. it is fail in the us, essentially is a or has, oh, is overstretched, overreached and now its reaching the limits of its, uh, our, yeah. and its believing its own propaganda as well. you know,

karen in the wall street journal? well they and there was an article about an unclassified, of course it was weak, but it's not attached anyone's name that russia is, was up to 90 percent of its forces involved in the original especial military operation, 90 percent. so why does ukraine need money? and why would anyone think that russia is going to invade the nato country? if in the last 90 percent of its army, they will, they have these 2 narratives going on simultaneously. it doesn't make any sense. go ahead. parents. well, it makes sense because they're promoting or globally, they're promoting or in europe. they're, you know, we're cheer leading. this, which you're learning it to the american people. so they need different stories for different audiences. um, you know, we've and we've seen nato do the same thing. nato says, oh, we're really tough. we can, we do all were so powerful and then the, and then the very next sentence. but rush just going to evade, and they're going all the way to parents or whatever it is they say. so these stories are, are aimed at domestic populations for the most part,

because ultimately it is the europeans and the american taxpayer who's a has to pay for this, or go bankrupt, trying to. so the messaging, there's actually probably 2 or is going on, at least by the, in washington one is against their own people and the propaganda war against the world. and then of course, the exercise of our military, uh, uh, in industry. you know, how do we, i mean, they sell the aid to ukraine is sold to americans not is helping ukraine when a 100 percent of course. but mainly because it creates a jobs in america. i mean by that just recently started talking about, oh, don't worry people, it's all about your job. so, you know, but i will say it's a brzezinski doctrine has been something that american politicians for decades have clung to as if it was god's promise to the earth. and it's not,

it hasn't worked, it isn't working. it's impossible to sustain. and it's based on a false premise as well, but right, but one thing does work, jeremy. one thing does work instead of selling this as a jobs of project, which is kind of creepy. if you is creating chip, you think about a war is good for 1000000000, it's got i, i can't believe it or they've tried to sell, but they are, but it is very profitable. now there's no doubt about that for a very small number of shareholders, jeremy, as well. yeah, it's profitable, profitable for the weapons contractor. i mean, it's basically the boon dog or for the, you know, major defense contractors and for the wall street, you know, hedge funds that own them like black rock. uh and, you know, robert f. kennedy junior has said this uh several times i heard them say its uh, and that's really what this amounts to uh, along with other american wars. doesn't mean there's really no value to these wars . i think the american people see that the soldier seat. i mean there's so much

cynicism now in america. and i think it's, it's a very dangerous moment in american history. because that cynicism is you live in the rise of the neo fascism. you know, the trumpet movements. uh so i think it's just a very dangerous situation and yeah, we're seeing, they knew mom, the american empire crashing and burning. hopefully, hopefully not taking everybody down with, uh, which is. yeah. but can you, you know, again, you know, a kind of dropped out of the discourse, but isn't it re emerged here is to fight for democracy and ukraine. do you know anything about democracy in ukraine because i can't find it as well? yes. so you create as a country which is deeply and unstable. uh, its, um, it's uh, unstable and in many respects it's torn by divided by language. it's has a huge break away section. there is a,

a far right nationalist culture in the west and ukraine which essentially dominates the country as a whole. but the whole, the next is very fall and no one knows how to play out. and that's what makes the, the situation on the military front. so dangerous as is that the problem is, is not necessarily a stalemate lasting for years and years, but a collapse that if the, if they, if the ukrainian lines break. and there's a major rush in advance. well, that'll mean i never wanted to feed for the government in ki evans landscape, but it'll also in the very possibly the civil war conditions inside the u. k. that's exactly what i've been texting for months now that once we see some kind of outcome on the battlefield, we're going to see an internal breakdown and maybe both at the same time. i'm going

to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with the the, the the,

the well to make the prospect where all things are considered. non peter will about your mind you were discussing. you create the ok, let's go back to karen in mount jackson. it over the last i think about 2 weeks or 2 months. we've seen the word stalemate being played out and it's actually in the west. the western powers that be the kind of use it as a positive,

at least ukraine hasn't lost. that's how they're spinning it here. but it, it really isn't the stalemate, it's, it's a growing defeat for ukraine because as much frustration is there is with the rush of strategy with a special military operation. and i've expressed it personally on this program here . but if in the larger thing, if you are, you know, 40000 feet in the air, it's working, let's say ukrainian military come to the russian force has to be an isolated. and that's exactly what's been going on for a good part of 20 months. right now that policy is working as in patient, it makes us all feel because i want to see this come to an end. i see this war is completely senseless. so many young men being destroyed for a war that never should have happened. but essentially, the russian planet of destroying the mil, military capacity of a nato back military is happening. karen? and yes, it is happening and i think this is hardly one data wants it to stop before it becomes even more obvious. the real danger that nato presents,

by stoking and picking fights, that it can't, that it can't even fight much less prevail in. so, um, you know, it's, it's a, it's a huge problem. but yeah, the crane, i think 6 to 7000000 people, what many women and children have left the country course. they are in various parts of europe and around the world as i guess refugees, immigrants are, but many of them are not return. many of them are not planning to return. the dumbass area will stay russian, so they've lost the population in the industry that was in the east. so ukraine is fractured. it's fractured in a material way in a territorial way. it's politically fractured and you mentioned democracy when democracy zaleski has, has banned religions. he's and he's suspended political parties jail to his political opponents. and the mayor of kia is so frustrated that he's publicly spoken about zelinski corruption, port leadership. so the country is being destroyed from inside and outside. um,

honestly, to me and i don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. i'm not rushing, i'm not ukrainian. but the russians seem to have bins restraint in the, in the way they've approached this whole thing they have. because in a traditional, more fighting scenario, now's the time to strike and take it completely off the map. and they're not doing that. russia's not doing that. they've never wanted to do that. that's not part of newton's agenda. it's not part of the russian armies agenda, but they could, and the very fact that they could, after all of the money the west has poured in, after all of the, the global sanctions and all of the efforts that we've made to back up, this is not just a small loss, it's not a stalemate. this is a major the feet of the. c just the there pharmacy and the, you know, the, the juxtaposition of course is what the israelis are doing to gaza. that's what total war looks like. and a genocidal. not at that. i as we're speaking right now,

people are drinking drinking, cup of tea, nose and cab. okay, that's the difference. all right, jeremy, it seems to me because the elections always play a role in this decision making here. and given that the congress is unwilling, at least at this point, i, you know, i want to, you know, ukraine will keep getting money as well. you know, 60000000000. i don't think so. but the, the administration is going to keep the spick it on it just, it's not going to be so full blast here. and i, you know, this is what i, what of i live support approach. this is what the, the by demonstration will have at least up until the election agree a biography. yeah, yeah. to add to the camera. so also they've been assassinating, not just the jail and this estimated the. busy of the socialist party in parliament in moscow, as it is a mafia regime in ukraine have been wide scale assassinations extending into russia . and yet it's really a trick of george orwell that this is presented in believe by any and the liberal

community in united states that this has some great democracy. it's afraid fight for democracy. is that to answer your question? uh, yeah, i mean, buying is committed. i think to the hilt and they'll find the way and i mean, look, look what happened in the eighty's with the criteria war when congress cut off a what they do, they found cobra ways to continuously arm the cartridge. and i think there are a lot of parallel in other countries where the terrorist organization intent on sabotaged in the garage to understand the needs those. and i think you crane and basically a mafia regimes with terrorist adjunct like the is all battalions. and i think that they'll find ways to fund them covertly. if congress cuts cuts off a, you know, the so called each state. now the pentagon and the, the real power brokers and they can also use other countries. 3rd countries they've done historically when red regime become really and popular and per i as they find

other country. often israel has done that work uh and to arm them. so i, i think this may continue to kind of low intensity conflict for a long time. unfortunately, you know, daniel, you, with the, the love affair with is a lensky, seems to be fading away. i mean, a year ago, he was in front of congress. and much to my chagrin, seeing a major party officials carrying a 4 and flag and the congress should offend everyone, at least they did me here. but we had a few months ago, the economist in time magazine, not, not the most uh, charitable, with the use of zalinski. and then with his latest trip to washington, he returned home essentially empty handed. i know $200000000.00 has a lot. i'd like it, but been considering what he's got in the past that's come, change here and zalinski is more or less done. i mean, if he's not the rain maker at the financial term to make money, what value is he to you?

great, daniel. a well he's, are you right, has his rain making, your powers are or diminishing. so there's, he's not much value anymore. but the, the, the real issue is the us in the us. i mean, soleski is a us instrument. the us put them in power. they uh, they arrange for him uh to, to uh, you know, to heads up the heads up to so the us funded military. uh now the us is getting tired. it's getting bored and that's the other conflicts on his hands. and so it's what you know, what, uh, and i think that uh, that disaster is looming. i think this is gonna be extremely dangerous situation in the ukraine and in europe as well. i think they, i think the future of nato is a real question. and the, and the us has no idea how to do with that. there's diminishing confidence in, in the, by the ministration. his numbers are plunging. uh,

everyone's preparing themselves for a truck for a trump presidency. 2.0. and trump will certainly see to put nato on an entirely new foot and uh, and, and nato itself. the european allies are just like, you know, shaking their heads and wondering what it all means. and it's going to meet a very big change. 2024 is going to be a very big a year. it's going to be a very turbulent dad's of the disabled he's health care. and you know, it's really interesting. i'm glad we started talking about nato and, and trump here. because of course, you know, the scare mongering by trump will take us out of nato, you know, and they're going to be passing congress, you know amendment. so he can do it at all. which, constitutionally, as it is quite a duty to know, that's really i guys think, but what's really interesting, is it joe, by this determines nato for more, for the drum error, possibly good, because he's prevent the presiding over a strategic defeat for the alliance. karen?

yeah, no, it's absolutely true and um, you know, his and the trees sometimes takes a little time to evolve as we look at what happened in the past couple of years. certainly in europe, with regards to nato with american policy. when we look at that, the mistakes are going to be really obvious. um as to what is what is happening here. but yeah, buying and it's not clear vitamins leading the country. i mean the man is clearly a senile. you know he's, he's drugged up. he's not, he's not mentally leading the country there, but the people around him, the neo conservatives around him, are driving american foreign policy. and they have never seen a wall. they didn't want to drive into and they're doing it again. they never take responsibility for their mistakes. however, the reckoning time is coming because europe can't sustain nato without the united states money. and many european countries are over and getting their going broke their dom up their demise demographics. they're not right to to raise huge armies. same goes for the united states and we're more broke than they are. so,

as the reckoning comes, but the financial reckoning, a political reckoning, and you know, we can talk about transferring. we don't like trump, but trump represents the same populist movement. that is boy steering art and bullying up a r f k junior and other candidates. people in america are tired of work and a tired of their limited money. going to destroy the rest of the world while not defending or even repairing our roads and bridges. i mean, this is a populous concern that shared across all parties, the actual voters and all parties share this view. so yes, 2024 is going to be very, very exciting and i'll tell you the elite. so in this country, washington, dc, or congress, that is so worried that trump's going to get elected. the 1st thing is going to do is pull out of nato and they are panicking. and i think for the rest of us and while it's a tragedy, what we're seeing and what we've seen in ukraine and certainly a tragedy in gaza, there are some things coming to america. they're going to kind of tilt the, the,

the, the balance of justice in some way. so this century i think is that's also true. and just, we're out rapidly running out of time here with me. but, you know, these, the failures of these neo liberal leads are fueling the rise of populism. right wing populism. in europe, i mean they, they, they, they, this is the best thing that could happen to the populace in europe at the way these people are running this war and their economies. and i would say their culture is, that's a different topic. jeremy, finishing off for us, go ahead that we, we could also be entering the error of greater authoritarianism or, and repression because of populations yet are unhappy. and there is growing revolts including western countries, and the leads may react the way they know how the or what they've been doing all around the world. a lot of the violence may come home here and we see it may see more, more refreshing it and more of a police state. and that's one of the dangers as people rise up because it clearly looks as a care point. people are not happy with these policies. these policies are

a failure, a means of failure of governance. they're not governing for the american people. they're causing may have abroad, and there's going to be more more rebellions. and we hope that uh they don't, uh, we should harass on the american p. well, we know that their 1st their, their 1st of our, i'll fire line of resort is censorship. that's what they're very, very good at doing sense where he goes and disappearing us. and we get to have to fight back against that as all the time we have a one, i think my guessing mount jackson, new york, and in tulsa. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our d. c. next time. remember us talking about the since world war 2,

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