the, the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered 9 people about the calendar is change, but the trends we observe last year continue with this into the new year. change is in the hair and the powers that be in politics and media are resisting. the status quote is being tested. this is what could make 2024,

a watershed year. the discuss these issues and more and joined by my guess, george sent me away in budapest. he's a pod cast or at the capital which can be found on youtube and locals and america. yes, we have mark jay. he is an award winning journalist and commentator. quite gentleman costs up rules and the fact that means you can jump the time you want and i always appreciate it. right, so start out with george and in budapest you know, the end of last year going into the new year. so there's a set this sense of foreboding out there. a lot of commentators what it is i'm in the video and i am very much admired respect. tucker carlson is been saying this and the number of other people, they think they're looking at 2024 as a certainly a year of change that certainly that's an understatement. okay. but we have also um, the bowl and the time to finish out the us presidential election in the both. his

name is donald trump. and in my lifetime, i have never seen such a political come back. i mean, this is almost like nixon in 68. trump left the office with the deplorable public opinion approval. now's doing really quite well of george for you. yes. as a right to use the word for boating, because we really are in the uncharted waters. i mean, we have a presidential candidate, we will most certainly when the uh, nomination of his party. um, he's got a full criminal cases pending against them. um, some of them may what are the trials may will take place before the election. um and uh is that there was an absolute determination to stop it by then the who, the president who is well, who actually runs the justice department, has made it clear that he intends to stop them and not by being a,

by any means possible. and this is really very dangerous because um trump has his follow is very, very loyal followers. and they will not just sit still full the whole how big of a president by the use of law said by the use of the justice department by going off to him with criminal charges that have never been brought against the former president. and then you will have to wonder, well, what happens when all of these methods of destroying trump fail? i mean, they've like, you know, not just the criminal cases, but for instance, trying to take him off the ballot like it's never been done. but you know, what with once they top right now the trying to take them up about that you really have a very, very explosive mix. who knows how that's going to play in? oh no, that's good. but, you know, martin, this is an interesting thing about american politics. so america is actually

a cool, very decentralized because we have a federal republic of states. but there are 2 things americans do. when unison, they use, you should pay taxes, okay. and the only office the entire country. collectively, the lex is the president and vice president as a ticket. and this is the only collective thing left politically in the united states. and as george has just said here, taking a major candidate off the ballot. well, with no good, understandable, reasonable reason is your recording not just chaos, but worse than chaos. martin? yeah. why you're afraid to say a civil war. that's what we're talking about. yeah, we shouldn't forget america's young country as well. it's a great country, busy young country. and i think, you know, there was so many what is when we look at this situation with trump and you're just

re system, you know, it's a lot of new ground to be broken. um, but it is it, i agree, it is very worried that if he actually gets nailed on the face of these post prosecutions, i'm faces jail time that there's no good scenario. there's not, there's no, there's no solution. so cool solution for the country or for by know anybody, you know, um, but this listing thing that keeps coming through is that what i've noticed though, is that every time trump gets one of these cases against him, there's popularity, souls. and so you've got this kind of, you know, what, i'm sure even even sleepy joe biden, who just last week did his thing again, almost finishing a speech, turning around, facing a blank screen. just sort of looking at the blank screen. wondering when someone would jump through and shake his handle, give him an ice cream or something, you know, he's, he's getting worse. senility is really set to him. you know, 11 does what, what with a, he's worked this out with a bite and people have actually, so the said actually we're in a clear and

a catch 22 situation now we, oh, we're in a whole, i'm with digging. and so the outcome is only going to be about um, but you know, none of us go to crystal notice can say what looks actually going to happen. i, i think it'd be really fascinating to see how this plays up. but again, is it just me as a foreigner, looking out looking in the i'm, it seems to me that there's a lot of corruption introduced just re system, you know, $11.00 the politics of just taking it over. and i think that might be a basis of a of a until they come to telling a new leaf, you know, well the next generation versus now oscar for the beloved opponents exp, be taken completely out of the appeals process. well, george, i mean the, the, the, the interesting fact is we go into this year and we look at american politics. is that if you, if you look over the last, like 3040 years where, you know, wages of stagnated, i'm

a good paying blue collar jobs and virtually disappeared. and you have a younger generations, plural, but they don't feel like they have any static in the game anymore. um uh, a lot of young people believe that they'll never be able to own their own home. we have an ideology of live live with less and you'll be happy. well as old rich people say that okay, no, that's what kind of a long introduction to is the democracy deficit. i mean, the last thing you have is the vote. but if you're not allowed to exercise your vote, then what's this whole thing more? what's the whole system worse to me? this? exactly right. and this, um, essentially decline in the style of a light. i mean, right? but, you know, america was always held up to be the paradigm of a wealthy, successful country, and it'd be, you know, be between your, of, we're growing up in the 56, the seventy's ages think it will in north america. that's where people are making money. and that's where it was a dynamic uh,

economy that isn't there anymore. and uh and, and essentially it is like a stagnating empire where you have a, you know, a fast hooley lead that is doing very well, making, making a lot of money. and the didn't help it didn't hurt the money amended misuse. the an agenda is which is the green agenda that's sort said just fine but is obviously hurting. most americans who been one way or another, defend all name and manufacturing industry that requires a lot of energy that isn't provided by the alternative, recyclable fuels. but they say elite is a espousing, and a that's explains the, the rise of donald trump. i mean, the trump is somehow his is promising. well, we'll go back to the arrow when,

you know we, we were doing well when we, when, when we were held up to be a, it's a paradigm, all this, a successful country. and it's very interesting. george is that, you know, when you, we have these populace figures around the world. you know, victor of obama has been dumped on a lot. but we have this a new leadership in, in a slovakia. and they're always called the, their version of trump, which is a metaphor for dissatisfaction with the status go. i want to change gears because there's so much we need to talk about in so little time where we and they tell us a big birthday coming up this. he has a big birthday, you know, when people get to that age, they usually retire. but nato decides they keep going here. what's gonna happen? i mean, this is a make or break one for them. you know, they did their last year with the ukraine. ice in the and then as we speak right now, there's nothing to cheer about right home about when it comes to ukraine. so nato is really god himself and a jam of course big. but itself,

there it's self inflicted or yeah, i've, i've said before, i'm did, i think that there's 2 scenarios where the for the native as a, as a nature finds a solution to your credit and it won't be a great solution to, but a solution, some sort of solution where it can present itself to the international community, basically vs its way through whatever they've done. you know, they'll claim that they've got some sort of victory if they can stop the fighting if they can claim the credits and the credit for the stuff in the fighting. that will be what they will present or they will hit us with like news. they'll actually fix interesting and i'm sure the media people now are actually working out how we can spend this, you know, who we can whelan, you know what you on this we go on board, they must have planning it now. i know i'm absolutely certain this can be a lot of stakes news leading up to june about may. so, and what is dawn and what is the chief, you know, the items going to be that during the city handshakes. and probably, i think you claim may,

will be just completely abreast of the whole thing. because you could remember that no matter how much we for the ukraine and you know how to replace goodness the absolved themselves in the subject. most americans don't remember anything about ukraine missing rep is unaware. it is on the map. you know, so they might be thinking, actually if we just stop reporting on your crime, like i judge, you're in a better uh, expert outlets. so it was the new york times of the washington post, the took that subject up their menu bar. they just, i think it was last the, the last week of the year that the tab that you have that you've been in your grade knows they dropped it. okay. or what are they preparing for it, preparing us for george. well, i, i do tend to thing, and i've said this before, then they will push for ukraine, a membership in nato. what's, you know, left of ukraine, then i wouldn't be able to incorporate those spots of, uh, ukraine then. and i lost the in the, you know, the, uh, the full of bless that the weight incorporated in the russian federation. but then

they will say, well, this bob is now in nato. and they say that very well we achieve something. um, and the thing is that, you know, may to, so this is the, the goose that lays the golden egg. it is, you know, gives a russian alpha and beta. well, you know, we need to keep going because of the russians, right. you know, this is, this is an existential threat for us and the peddling the story now, you know, throughout native land. but russia poses a threat to us. you know, any moment of, you know, they can attack denmark, i can look back germany, we need nato now more than ever. and for the united states, they still are determined on inflicting a strategic defense on russia. so can you the, my last and you agree with this family so that we use your argument in a martin's argument together? is that okay? russia is obviously a threat to nato land, but think an airbrush ukraine out of it. okay. because we know what the russians

are up to is, is there a, an amalgam there, george? well, i don't think it's because of them. if they just simply abandon ukraine, then they would have to worry that the entirety of your brain will be taken over by russia. that will be a huge, strategic defense question box to do that. but there is no evidence they still be on the geo political influence. of russian that they will come up with some leadership kind of what, what they need to would goal the quick lane leadership in key. if some estimate, your goal are a stove, which like sega will be basically doing the bidding of moscow, that's how they would spend this way. so that's the, that's how they would see it. and therefore, this will be a strategic defeat for nate. so i don't think that that's the operative word strategic would be. but for whom gentlemen i have to jump in here. we're gonna go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion about the new year stage,

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welcome ex. across that were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is a home addition to mind. you were discussing the year 2024, the all right, let's go back to a martin the america. um. unfortunately your conflict and god said, continues. and how is this going to change your region of the world where you live? because, you know, we've, you know, we've often heard the narrative bids, you know, era believes they've never really been particularly interested in the face of the palestinian people. but their people do, i mean when democracy isn't the, the, then the political system that comes to mind when you think of the greater middle east. okay. so the, the, the error of street, if i can use that term, i know a lot of people don't like it, but there is a very strong feeling about what's going on and causes it and how it relates to how

they see the outside world, particularly the west one in my view is gonna turn the truck back to the pre 1991 where we had a, the started the coal i. so i think there's going to be an intensive. so i've level of division divided by subject, you know, yes or countries, particularly somebody leads who have really sold themselves on the whole palestinian story. like um, anyone into p o m b as in saudi arabia, the, and being a palestine is a really big part of the political identity. those, those leaders are gonna have a hard time. the best thing with the realities of what's going on. but i think we might seen emergence adult from perhaps, um not, no such a what i'm trying to say is that something which we, i'm a secretive sort of emotions. authorise coalition of some of these are countries

that may, will fund terrace activities with homeless in the future, so that may, will come from iran. cutoff will to a key. but, you know, looking at the rest of the world, what you see is now division, you know, you've got some countries that are really making a stance against what's going on like a out area, for example. um, um, any other countries let morocco hear an m or us who uh, mails to the bed. posts of the hill ho is ready. do unfortunately they're in too deep. you know, they've invested too much business wise, you know, and so forth. so on the last division we can expect, and i think the, the breaking point of this sort of dishes plan i think, which is on the way you know, which might take months to get off the ground. but i think that's happening against israel. but you know, the region, you know, you, you can probably put a bet on joe bind to messing things up and just escalate them situation even

further because it's just the next space with last week. also, we're, we're, we're talking about american, forget some aircraft carriers taking pot shots who tease interests see, you know, and then we're even talking about pitching or it's happened actually, you know, there was a white house and the pentagon reported on a number of us as strikes on it raining back from issues in the rack. so we're almost there. you know, we've been to, in what we've seen at george over ever since the, the, and the global war on terror outside of israel. who does the united states count on in the middle east now? i mean, i'm not sure the list is very long. right? a rack told them to leave, they won't leave in the united states illegally occupied as part of, of syria, the saudis. oh they're, they're pretty moody they can go, but they have a lot of leverage right now. okay. and they shown very little respect for the pop

by the administration. very, but on this. exactly. right. um, but the limitations here there feels the sad part of this is that in the united states that has been no changes. oh, i mean if you look at congress, it's still 90 percent, maybe 95 percent. absolutely. unequivocally behind is what i mean. so it can do anything. i mean it's just, you know, the, the tomorrow or just the release the nuclear weapons and you still get the 95 percent per se. we must done with israel. you know, that is where this white thing for its existence and nothing can change that and it's, it's, it's so polling as you know, for looks of the mid lease. i mean, the of publicity is modern describes of these divisions. but the fact is that, you know, with, with many of the lease arrow countries, no, they haven't even broken diplomatic relations with israel. i mean i, they, so they can be continuing the same way. i mean, they haven't said, oh, we now renounce the abraham the codes that say, you know, this was, you know,

we made a huge mistake. this is a for risk big terrible state that we've uh, established diplomatic relations that hasn't ended. so yeah, they make these condemnations that go to the united nations maple the right noises, but in practical times, but haven't really done anything. i mean, it's a whole, i mean, i'm us and the hooters. and then the other ones were actually doing something addressed that issue because then you, you really have this division between the leads that have their very specific interest. and then everybody else then for everybody else, this issue of palestine is paramount. yeah, i think come on, george mentioned practical level. the practical level i think is not going to come from political leads on the practical level is gonna come from people, individuals, you know, who, who would want to be in his really business. but now traveling around them, at least, you know, i mean there was a hell of a kick, but there's a lot of anti semitism now, which is frothing the surface and i'm where i am in morocco. now you house inside

the political parties not representing hundreds, thousands of people who are cooling now. for is riley's who have joined possible. it's a marker to now actually lose the citizenship, american citizenship. so it's, it's pointing up in some places and it's a little, there's a contradiction around the time. you know, i'm officially hit morocco was, he's fine. do you see that? but a lot of you got to you have a huge amount of number of people who are really unhappy about that. and so i think on a practical level, you're gonna see a little resistance. just look at the internet, just go to facebook and see the informal level of blake of thing is what has gone through now is not just to twos taking pot shots of the ships. it's, you know, countries and people around the world of boy cutting their products and really come painting quite vociferously. you know, i mean, there's a lot of awareness now out there on facebook. google is really product. so i'm noticing the range of products. the companies that support is right as well and as a distinction to so the practical level is the political leads. we'll have to recognize this at some point. when they head towards the elections,

they have to recognize the millions of people who don't sign up to that. well, george cooled the 95 percent of congress, backing israel. you know, so there will be a turning point at some point. i'm not in 2024 is incredibly interesting. not just because you've got by them heading to the pulse. if he does, if he actually makes it, i'm still not sure. you know, with this, the middle it see the way it is. i mean, is, how many times can we mess up, you know, before the democrats suddenly panic of the last moment. but don't forget, you got your p and elections in june as well. and this is much, much bigger in my view because, you know, just mentioned earlier about the fatigue, you know, assessing in across the america. i'm not how the system seems to be slowing down. and there's a lack of confidence now in the political elite sooner. but in, in, in, in europe, that trends that transcends into people voting for the far right groups as a present participate. and so you mentioned earlier about fall, right the, the populace leaders now, you know,

got another one in the netherlands which is just one. and i'm president, i'm president a number of seats. i'm my political friends in belgium and telling me this is going to have an impact on the firm's block in the ocean as well. and so, you know, watch the elections in june in the european parliament because that is going to be a deal breaker for. well, it's really interesting, georgia in budapest year. it's interesting watching the political landscape changing in europe and the other lands we have of the alternative for germany party, under pressure by the government. we had a change in government slovak, you, we had an attempted re colored revolution and sign in serbia. but there's one political figure that stands in the same place watching the landscape change. so that's a picture of a, of the vicar, or by the end of the he blaze, the trail and all those products. but the curious thing is about these, um, you know what, what are the uh, the,

the far right populace is that while on russia and ukraine, they say no. i said this has nothing to do with us. this is really stupid for europe when it comes to israel, avail, very strangely, uh, pro israel, you know, or band band any pro palestinian demonstrations. the voted with the united states and united nation exactly is the general assembly of build is also very uh, pro is right. um and uh it's, it's a piano and it goes if, if the reformed body of this is a nigel for roger spot, it stands in the, the u. k. elections for ours is also very pro israel. so there's a kind of a, a, it's like just junction navigable to the right, which again, hey, russia, there's nothing to do with that. that's stupid to fight with them. but they've very much in the tank for around israel. so, you know, it's hard to know how all of these things are a kind of doing

a shakeup. and then again, in the united states, yes, i mean, no question by them. there's lots of level of support within his own party. we're, we're a very unhappy about that is stand. so a garza but you can always do those people. you tell them if you don't vote for by then trump terrible. trump is going to come back to the challenge that i the iron need to. it's a trump is very pro, is free of all. exactly the other one. yeah. yeah, that's right. it, they don't martin. and that's one of the things that i find really disheartening is that conservatives who used to be of the biggest defenders of free speech are now some of the biggest the oppressors of free speech. and it all revolves around this issue of israel. what is and ty summit is i'm, i think most people have no idea what zine is. i'm really means and how it does kind of short circuits and the, the discourse george's just mentioned to it just shuts down to by just an,

you know, soon you started that somebody as soon as you started that into, into the argument. you know, yeah, the other person is supposed to stop talking and we don't really understand anything beyond that. and you know, i've seen this in the u. k. a lot was debate about some racism and in total that i'm a victim of it. but i'm, it's true, i don't think it's a conservative thing or leslie. all right, we thing, i think it, some leads generally in my experience as a journalist point. and they tend to hop on about freedom of speech until they place them on the os. you know, and then there's a problem and then, and then the lawyers get wheeled out and get paid, you know, closely amounts of money to fix the problem. um, but so you know, free speech looking back, you know, last year and now looking ahead to 2024. i wonder how much freedom of expression will play a role in dispute. political move them, at least changes that we're witnessing, where the people completely abandoned mainstream media and just go by, you know,

it's interesting, unfortunately, gonna have to end on this. no, but george, you know, i hope that you know, in future generations they won't turn back and say, you know, like i saw on, on cross talk you those with the days when they had freedom of speech, it must have been great. 5 seconds, george, go ahead. yeah, i think sometimes it may well be the way it be resuming 12 months. time was a well now it's really, really dangerous. you know, when it, when i'm not able to get any kind of free speech anymore. so yeah, this is uh, this will definitely get, i think it's going to get worse. i think it said i didn't say it was and it was unfortunately, so then we got the end on that depressing note. i went, i think, my guess in marrakech and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's a ways to to the palestinians are reportedly killed in an idea of a strike on the magazine refugee come. the stuff to israel said had mistakenly killed over 80 people in the area earlier. this was a regrettable mistake. they should not have happened. the choice of munition was incorrect. poland says that rest and miss all entities asked based off to flying across the car and you bought it failed to provide any evidence though to support those claims of the state prohibits from the president. donald trump from running