freights, and it's like, oh, it's terrible for, for, for a said a tech team. well, but they've put chair of the us national prayer breakfast to come to you, god, to support us. this is normal personality. the strategy is that they're right, as someone is the strategy is that the democratic members of congress and senators who want to leap and all different reality changes, laws based on financial pressure is the whole person that is breaking the laws that are being legitimately made. and it's a heap of price stays, but as the united states outside of program, quote, deepening democracy in africa and when different democracy us empower people will vote the impact to lead us and where they elected lead as possible, which they, the americans don't like that. the americans are like, no,

we don't want that zillow presley, and i just find that's absolutely key, but critical. we must resolve africa's per every to the right to stay with us and back with more news in less than 30 minutes by the

the hello. i'm manila chan you are tuned into modus operandi. the term banana republic has long been used by us mainstream media to describe the political instability in countries of the global cell. most commonly thrown at latin american countries for the many presidents having and thrown behind bars for corruption. well, could these chickens have come home to roost? as the world watches several cases brought against the us, 45th president, donald trump unfold before the cameras. today we'll take a look at the us drama, and the many cases of world leaders who go from president to present. all right, let's get into the m o. the

is the 1st in us history. a former poetess indicted on a myriad of charges ranging from corruption to some that are tantamount to fomenting a crew or blocking the transfer of power. donald trump, now the face of this watershed moment ahead of the 2024 elections here in the us, where he is by many measures. not only the leading opposition candidate against incumbent joe biden, but the leader of the path to win. all these trials, he's facing our spark in the conversation of a weaponized justice system against political foes. while this is the 1st for the wes, this is not the case around the world. so joining us to discuss the many people who have gone from their nation's highest office to a miserable prison cell is ecuadorian journalist esteban codio. he is the editor at

the cradle. you can follow him on twitter or x. i still call it the former followed him at esteban car, lock c a r l o p. so as them on, as we watch these trials of donald trump unfold, historic for the us. no form or opponents has ever been indicted on anything ever before. you being a journalist outside of the us and also and ecuadorian citizen, what goes through your mind? what do you think of what's happening here in the us? well, i think of seeing everything that is happening relating to trump. uh, the 1st thing that comes to my mind is that uh, it's a situation that has been a long time comment. as you said, there is no former president that has actually been indicted or much less made to uh, you know, send to prison for our crimes committed during their administration. and which we trump embrace is a lot of questions because what it, what it feels like it's a,

it reminds me of, uh, what 13 said recently that uh these uh, is uh, political persecution of up in the 08. 0, is persecution of a political opponent and uh its uh, he talked about the rotten is of a traditional system and i think uh, this is a very much the view outside because uh outside of that you was with a not a general and see that the things the same way that uh, people inside of the us see it. uh, we do not exist in that same level. so uh, the situation withdraw him with the coming elections with the with bindings on legal problems, which are the attorney general's into us seem to be honestly this interested into looking into them. it feels like, like i said, like something that has been a long time calling because it also speaks to the, to the level of the mission that exists within the united states. that up, according to some researches uh, is reached a point that is uh,

essentially reversible, you know, between democrats and republicans and another thing that jumps to my mind that he's the dave, it's a part of the system. you know, and it's uh, it seems to exist uh to serve the same interest, you know, internally, maybe the republicans and the democrats may have a different system that are some small. busy outside, when it comes to foreign policy, you know, it almost doesn't matter who is sitting in the, in the white house because in the u. s. foreign policy has for so many back. it's now being centered on, on war, on sending weapons on law fair on sanctions. and now, i don't know if it's the drums case is indeed a case of an offer, but the way that it's being deployed it's, that's going to be racing many questions. so far, 30 or 40 years now, the u. s. has often chided latin american countries for prosecuting its own leaders

. us mainstream media likes to use terms like banana republic, to describe some of these arrests of these presidents in central and south america . do you sense any, have pock received or perhaps even irony right now, given this historic moment for the us. so there's definitely a high level of the bumper. see a given what is happening that you as an, even before, and i have a lot of i or any indeed. yes. because uh, the, this idea about, uh, nothing american countries are running a republics is, um, it goes from a colonial his perspective, you know, and this idea that we kind of go over in ourselves that we need, you know, over 3 years now we need to, you know, do what we're told essentially, and this call is from the, from the euro. when the spanish, the bridge of used the french, the british, it took over these land. and, you know, do what they need to do with the indigenous population. and it's, if it remains,

it may have to say might be or remain. so now we have a us precedent, essentially facing the situation that is um, in the scope, the base to what has happened before in the, in many like in american countries. oh, to be honest enough, in america, the interventions are they, they, yes, the us interventions they have bein and usually targeting people who represent the national these movements or you know, along political lines uh less these movements communist and social the same. and not so much when it comes to the right wing. so i would say that's mainly the, the biggest difference right now with what we see, what's happening with the truck. all right, so let's get into a more specifics of presidents past and present in south america who has faced legal trouble. talk to us a little bit about lula da silva in brazil. he was president from 2003 to 2010,

but then he found himself in some legal trouble through what is now known as operation car wash. he was convicted on corruption charges, but then fried and clear to run again in brazil as most recent presidential election against incumbent jr. bull sonata, he emerged victorious and is currently the president of brazil again. but now both denado might face legal was he might end up in prison to what's going on with brazil and this sort of ping pong match of political foes behind bars of what is currently happening in brazil is essentially the return of. busy the rule of law of institution, natalie, eh, because i think there are more parallels between what is happening to both so nato to add to what is happening to trump down. what happened to that because the was the big thing. busy filter of the, of the use of the judicial system to persecute uh, a person for political gain,

political objective. so what happened in brazil with the shot the investigation was that of the united states department of justice. give me share to these investigation they initiated to i small prosecutor office in brussels of hardest right. city. and so, you know, and f b i agents were meeting constantly with uh, with this prosecutors. the judge in the case was meeting also was talking to prosecutors directing demo how to, to leave the gaze towards the worth of workers party who represent that a, a national project for the, a project of national development. least i believe 36000000 people that are over the he essentially ended in new jersey. he is up in albany or, you know, he doesn't have he, he has his flaws. but he's, he was the target of a campaign that sought to remove him from the ballad in 2018 and he was put in prison. there's a birthday now, some supreme court, they uh, an old, old,

all the evidence which were uh, essentially what they are known as corps. agree. bargained testimonies that were a pain eh, after many trials by the prosecutor about them in any event, by the prosecution to get the testimony that they wanted. that's it, they're all political goals. i'm on all other types of manipulation. i think on the other hand, most are not all he, uh, he's under trial for uh, for corruption, for a different cases. i believe probably the one that has the most spoken about. he is a huge keep in gifts that the, sorry, if i'm going to gave him for both the nato and he was also a bar is now from running for office until 2030 because in the lead up to the 2021 . and next on the he, i won't go into gathered. i don't know how many i believe it was about the austin, for a non boss, others in the room. and essentially yelled at them about what he said. it

was gonna be brought committed against it against them via the electronic voting system in brazil. so. busy busy he tried to manipulate the election result, the 9. this is where the c minorities to the trunk situation come on. smart. and what's the model is a, is a mind that represents the computer. what's who? no one who never present that. he's the, essentially a neo nazi, he's a man of the bus will be leaving the rise of indigenous people. he's a mind that believes that corporation should do as they please. i don't know if you remember a, during his tenure and there were these giant, the forest fires indiana song and they were for a big part that were initiated by the practices of this corporations with both scenarios. you know, they actually allow them to go in to, to expel indigenous people from their own communities to raise the line to, to burn down trees so that they could set up their operations. so it doesn't transfer any brasil, it was a case of law firm that expended our across nothing america. it extended to my own

country and it brought the other brick a scandal. it ended with the persecution of left these liter 5 go there with the ink cars, the ration of his vice president autoglass who had spent 5 years in prison. and during now you know, you can survive 25 present massacres. he and also at the same time in that by the, not a single other birds executive was never prosecuted. so that shows you how did you, visual systems in or countries have been a kind of, uh, turn against a popular projects turn against political. and i guess political figures represent a in general represent uh, the same ideology, right, coming up next, there's only one country in the western hemisphere whose polls show that they are

even less happy with their government. then americans find out who when we return with esteban, cardio sit tight, sam. oh, will be right back. the the the the

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chad. while it's no shocker to anyone that in most western democracies, most of the public is never too happy with who they elected to office. i don't know, maybe it's buyer's remorse. maybe it's something else. esteban claudio, the editor of the cradle, is back with us to i guess try to unpack that. so how about peru, esteban not long ago, just before christmas of 2022, president federal castillo was carted off to jail, immediately ahead of an impeachment vote against him. what were the circumstances around custio's case, and where is he now? precision is it because figure is a different case, i would say because castillo, essentially what happened he, she did what uh could we can see there as us. busy cool, she the so, um apartments. it's a, even though he didn't have the legal or the constitutional grounds to do with it.

but he did it because he needed to achieve bulk of inability because they us back into prison about a year in 5 months into his. he's a government that's the you was a real teacher. he came essentially from nothing he's paid. it was 1st left his precedent, but he came to power with the issue. she couldn't a really go over. so when he this old car man, when he attempted to the sold parliament, it was because for the past year and a half, she was not able to do anything. he couldn't even swear in his own ministers. because the far right groups in the program congress. but i'm not a bit that and they would have been launch the launch of 3 impeachment proceedings . i can just, i mean the time that she wasn't off is the one that came out from the moment she should have been from the moment she wants to elections the one that came up. so eh, i see you also has a, the issue that, uh, before he won, she started to distance himself from the, from the region of last, you know,

one point in time. so any want to get with the band event as well on project that will defend because my daughter and then a few months later she will not get to come much more. uh, nothing america we, we say uh give you, you know, warm water like, or you want to play with everyone, but you have absolutely no strength to do so. so you play to do play to this trend . so the other side will cover all of the media who have all the corporations and will have the backing up in another state. so not at all. they are being ruled by a president of the novel waterbury who goes up to 12 percent of. ready rating the congress guys on 99 percent approval rating of the need and us where he's at least 71 percent of programs. he owes approval, but a lot of it. so that tells you a lot of where, where she stands and she's. busy also be 9 investigated for the depths of about 6 the protestors who died when custody was putting bruce on. so custody is still in prison. she's the reason to be saying that he's the victim of

a plot that uh you know, they try to do is booking someone. but uh, as far as we know, this is something that uh, submitted it to himself. and the interesting thing about it was that it was finding and that i, when i was researching is that, um, open the crowding a democratically elected president. is that having elected in producing the mid eighties? i mean, the arrested. so, you know, but those tells you how the corruption runs in the country. yeah, the peruvians are even less happy with their government. then americans are based on these polls. so these incidents with presidents, they're not isolated to latin america. it happened in france and 2021, but without much global fanfare, certainly not much talk about it. here in the us. france being america's oldest ally, saw the former president nicholas or cosy convicted and sentenced to prison for 3 years on corruption charges. they say he quote was influence peddling and violated

professional secrecy. hm. that sounds familiar stateside to circle is the is now facing yet another trial that's scheduled for 2025, around alleged money received from the late libyan leader and will mark the duffy star cozy. who's a lawyer that turned a politician faces charges of corruption. again, criminal association, illegal campaign financing, and conspiracy, and misusing libyan public money. your thoughts on circles the. i think it's what's most interesting about it is why you said how little it was spoken about, you know, starting to see she is actually not a hasn't been arrest if she has been to think of the utmost detain a she. um, she's, she's called the old we've, we've got ocoee sees very shady uh, when i was looking into it, you know, cut off the before nato started bomb being uh,

libya about 2 days before and nato answered. she said in a television interview that she have given money to. ready come panels. oh, sorry for cnn to, to wherever you close before you know, maybe it was, uh, was the when uh, ads deals with friends. eh, and it'd be suited perry's under uh, surfaces government for the 1st time in 30 years. so it was, uh, you know, like i said, he's very easy. he's a very interesting case that he's not spoken about. and i do think there's no spoken about because this is not the role of french need or, and as you said, this is one of the main highlights of. ready united states and at some point just feels like when you, when you are western leader and you align with the, with the, with the aspirations of the united states. you can almost done the wrong. yeah, let's not forget that media circus. surrounding gadhafi is visit to paris where he was allowed to pitch a better intent outside the l as a palace. if we took

a wider look at all of these various presidents of these so called democracies all around the world, they're getting done on corruption charges, right? it's the theme for all of these presidents, but yet nobody has been brought up on actual charges like war crimes, crimes against humanity, or anything real like that. not only of the presidents, but people in the administration's. i mean, look at george w bush's people and the lead up to the iraq war. why is that always corruption, but nothing like killing millions of people. i mean, except for slow but on the low switch. but he was tried at the hague, of course, but we don't have enough time to discuss his case. and i think that the focus is usually put in corruption because the, the focus wherever puts on on the war crimes on the, you know, legal invasions in the fours western countries to, to confront their own legacy,

their own history, which uh, you know, what they have left behind and we're talking about the cypress. he is indicted on corruption charges. so i could see was one of the aspects of behavior in war. he was a bit of a surprise was the 1st going through the start of the media. you know, you have of iraq, obama getting a nobel peace prize, and keep in mind that a, a, i think drug more bones. i mean, the president, he's also an architect. they give me a war uh that were in syria. so i think of it the focus usually falls on corruption because it's something that allows the western uh, so called democracies to circumvent the reality of what they have done across the world. because the moment that they have to confront that is the moment. but the car, the car was you know, and don't forget that of the united states, for example, is not a signatory of the international criminal. uh, eh, the international court of justice. you know, the same with israel,

which is one of the biggest culprits of human rights abuses of war crimes in the, in, in modern history. so i think it's, it's about that, you know, as you said, these are white color crimes. you know, these are a and then what is the sentence as in the end there is nothing the least. yes, i am very glad that you brought up. maybe nothing yahoo because he keeps flipping through the legal cracks as well. but again, that man would need a whole episode to discuss as well. all right, as the von patio editor of the cradle dot c o check out his work there. thank you so much for this. very enlightening and fun conversation. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of motors operandi the show that dig deep in the foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host middleware chan, thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o. the

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