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i'm actually in redundancy. this is a special edition of going underground. john build you i one of the greatest john lives in history is dead award winning all sort of hidden agendas, heroes and secret country films, the war and democracy, the coming war in china. palestine is still the issue, the way you don't see the expos, washington consensus, imperial war crimes will around the world. and his last he is. he campaigned tirelessly for britain to release with unique founded union assange, who he would never see free again after his torture in london. cutting balances from the whole team here and going on the ground to his family. this is one of the last interviews he did for this show in memoriam,

john pilcher. i don't think so much for coming on the show. you said depaula side is the issue in the last century and in this century, how does it link everything from war and peace atrocities, imperialism information to neoliberalism? well, paula sanders has sent over all of a great imperial act. ah, i've made to felons called palestine and still issue $28.00 is a pot. if i may make another one, it will be cold pal assigned to still leave true. because the palestine, unless we understand the across, are they being impose on palestine and the rights of people to defend themselves, the rights of people to resist against an external outside false a false, but uh uh it becomes more extreme by the moment and i'm talking about israel,

they move, never understand how the world works. so it's printing a whole attempt to make him off the central issue of the reporting and best known songs as it promises. uh, a peculiar team and in fact, come come off and it's military waiting, a part of a resistance, a resistance that was provoked by these riley's, the real team, and then this is his as well, but it's not simply is ryle, i mean, this is as much uh, a british and american bull, i can tell us fine as it is and is riley one, you know, just a few years ago. uh, the chief of the defense stuff and brenton so nick call to visit to the israel and between himself and uh uh, seniors, riley strato to stay drawer up drew up basically a secret plan,

a partnership i military partnership between israel and britain. in fact, it goes much deeper than that. it's, it's a, it's an integration of the to miller trade. false is what do you have? uh, uh, uh, is riley's paint training. been in the ordinance design and brittany ordinance design those bombs and berkeley soldiers pay you trade and then uh, in uh, uh, with, with, with units such a pain as is the idea describes it as palestinian tested. so the, the, the integration of britain and especially the united states was which caves israel, $10000000.00 a day is, is complete. so it is, in one sense, it's a, a british european american war against the people of palestine who are

doing one site. and that is refusing exercising the moral and legal rights to resist approval occupation. it's brittany says it's a friend of israel. you know, the 2 sides ism, that is mandated under broad costing restrictions it with here. because obviously when you're talking about the atrocities, as we know, israel says the responsibility lies with i'm us. it is using civilians as human shields among joyless schools and holmes. and they gave fair warning and told me to grab the phone secretary here says the u. k. condemns, i might as a tax on the see of civilians and reaffirms israel's right to self defense. well, right fine. i've heard you have to say that, but there are not 2 sides. and actually to the very notion of 2 sides is i'm saying, uh, it's like people looking out but uh, at the drum and bottoms during the pilot. since i got that there's 2 sides here. uh,

you know, the but the, the, the, the, the palestinians have crewed rockets and when they're accused of indiscriminate chelly. yes. the say the rockets accrued but on the other hand, israel is doing the score. i'm not targeting it's, it's, it's, it's deliberately attacking as it's always done civilian targets and we have the spectacle, the other day of a high rise building in which the, the, the, the, the media, almost old, palestinian certainly known western media. uh, we, we, we had the spectacle of this building be blowing up ideas, riley is when the nonsensical story that was harboring her mouth. so it wasn't. and all those drug, most federal witnesses, so that it's like the pbc reporter term cohen, who talks about

a war between israel and how miles bowen knows, like wrong. it's an attack owner and occupier, people by the occupier. israel best buy great powers. do you think lee is john list? you mentioned jeremy boeing, the least editor of the statement. david, bbc went to apologize previous to being profile this time is reporting you think they understand that a firing stone grenades into the alex and most going the equivalent of christmas eve is like, uh, doing that to the vatican on christmas eve. i mean, it was easy though 5 to a, it's a, it's a bit like that, the bombing the vatican or sending the soldiers into the vatican fold if they don't know, what are they doing out there? i mean, you don't actually have to be in the holy land to understand that the provocation, the attack on palestinian suddenly the attack on, on, on the holy a small skin in the, in, in, into, um, uh,

was entirely unprovoked. and the, the fact that i'm come off to one of these riley's stop these attack. so now people in jerusalem stop from now. well, we will resist and so they've resisted as every people has the right to do so west the media. uh, you know, where all the golf? yes, there are a lot of palestinian travelers. risk getting my lives and muslim journalists and arabic speaking to unless but where on the high paid western john was, it looks to me like a boy called or because you think good. there was a time when john is with tried. how does it get into guys? are obviously the john, this is saying they don't expensive these a, but it israel that actually prevents them and doesn't give them the pos is and i should say is right. obviously says that what rocks at, i likes a mosque and a israel says they give warnings. well,

that's disputed by some of the children you've seen the parents being killed. well, we know that is why i was a lie measuring and it's been proven to be that. but i think we do have to understand and the responsibility in britain is that the responsibility of north idly the present government. but the legal polity is part of that of installments, of labor polity, which allowed pro is rattled, proves to uh, to direct the policy solve the label policy. but in effect, support. this is so tired when you have the, the shadow foreign secretary, uh say you can go to court of sizes right away. atrocities. um, it is anti semitic. then maureen, what were in louis carol? well, really, the bbc had a piece of to the, some of the atrocities in the past week saying, but why is it all these protest is it, i mean, we sort of, some of the largest uh,

purchase in the world here in london. but i know they've been all around the world . why is it they don't protest about the syrian government or against the, according to western sources, genocide, committed by china. right now we're going to talk about china in part 2. what, why are these protest is about palestine of tool board on site protest against setting up a why don't they protest to the phrase and government about the genocide against the indigenous people? uh, why don't they protest to the us government about, but dozens of countries that deserve a throne, as about the but the, the great numbers of people but is, but as his desk to this cause, then there's dispossession. it does cause it's a, it's a, it's a been all argument. uh, uh, people are protesting about an atrocity that is going on before our eyes. and we're allowed to see that the atrocity so because of some of the brave

a straw unless i know i know some of these people, photographers, cameraman, people, whose building we sold, blowing up, and one of my film. so boy, you don't see there is a risk sake when some which is riley's sniper guns down the palestinian camera man who's lying wounded on the ground. and then they continued to shoot as his legs . he was uh and uh, uh, so seriously wounded. uh, he probably wouldn't walk again. so be, but that's the kind of bravery. but these people in mostly palestinians, i have to say mostly palestinians, the high paid bbc people and all those. i just know where now, yes, it may be very difficult. the israelis who uh, uh, who, whose domain they seem to cover very well. what let them in. why don't i get it

regardless. they are in the tunnel is that they keep telling us about, from egypt. congress, woman to labor in the united states, a palestinian extraction arguably fell into a draft of trying to attack. come us, but the amazon, you are kazi. a coach has this rising star. the democrat buddy said that apartheid states and north democracies, a tony blinking, and somebody supported the destruction of sydney. they ended up like that of africa's riches the cabinet company. country and libya said um, said he wasn't convinced about the just the rebuilding being full of homeless operatives. is it changing in the united states? if it's not changing in london, decide or change? i don't know if it's a change, you know, but no, no bama. uh well uh, uh, in 2014,

during the last is rarely killing fast on palestine. they were killing something like an average of 11 children a day and yet a bomb run. but uh, uh, a rains the re supply of precision weapons to israel bite and is now the president . i don't see the difference. the only difference, the only resistance it's is the resistance. that's what's different the of in this attack there is a real resistance. and this that should be matched by people going beyond the government's be on the power lines and guardians of this freight. so that's the only way, whether the whether or not that succeeds, i don't know, but there is no other way. as you suggested, the link between those pictures of, of the atrocities coming from palestine and the british army. and the end, the british states has the israel,

i know they've been accused of getting drunk. this in the past, borrowed from the nato playbook when it famously blew up mil, great tv in yugoslavia. in this destruction of the, the big tower and gaza housing, media organizations. it's a lot more dangerous now. and then when i was a bold car is one, but in the, particularly in southeast asia, because now your side that is for side representing the people whose use paypal role, broad, caustic overnight, ization sent to all right. making for you your target. uh and uh, but at the very least these palestinian tamara men, photographers and journalists, they are targets. but every origin was now a targets. go into some broad structure in london into the corner that pays tribute to journalists who died in, in, uh, covering covering was,

and where they are. so names, the names are listed in the last few years. uh that indicate the trend that uh the us in particular, definitely give a damn with your journalist. go whether you have a, a line you're hanging around your neck that says john was, you'll get shot. this riley is of course, no need to give a damn the don't even consider it. you'll get shot, period. john, i'll stop you. the more from you on pill dropped in the break when we discuss double standards from china to the torture of julian, a sorry, the the,

the welcome back to part 2 of us special in to be with jump, build your input when we talked about the atrocities taking place in goza, the country currently holding the presidency of the un security council is china, which failed to persuade joe biden, to issue a resolution on the current slaughter of the people's republic. demonized by nato is the subject of john villages 2016 film becoming more on china. this was the distinguished historian theo drawer. h y 105. so to the white house of a speaking in the 19 sixty's press, china is too fast to be governed by mercy. yet of chinese mine cray, this order they must be brought to recognize they are the biggest factor in the world's disorder. and we must untangle the

madness of the mind. the most difficult task in the world is to reach the minds of men who 8 to one, what was really complaining about. what's the loss of a china that the imperial west could dominate eclipse from john villages the coming war in china? there as far as johnson deployed britain's atrium, is elizabeth that club carrier. is it going from china? i'm still here with john field. you joins me from sidney in australia. well, of israel is britain and strategic military partners we're told in age of a nation, media day of to day that our enemies to one national security, russia and china, china holding the rotating presidency of un security council. you said the coming war on china. how have you noticed the difference here is, are gods. palestine with china are apparently trying to force the issue with a statement from the un security council to go overseas, fight against the wishes of the united states. will hold true the whole campaign

against china and the campaign against palestine. a one on the same thing it is about control is about the imperial powers at a certain time in the history threatened, they feel threatened. they're not actually threatened. they have threatened an economic times in the they may uh, their, their economic prosperity is receding, bought. uh, so in order to correct this, uh, they play with the prospect of bull. it's a terribly dangerous game. when i made becoming more against china and that was in 2016, i wrote the title almost as a provocation. if i was doing that, so now i would say it's a reality in

a few short is china from being in many sense. so it's a strategic ally of the west, certainly in the circle war against terrorism. it was, uh and uh, its uh, the relationship of, uh, uh, trade and currencies. this was a peaceful, a peaceful relationship. and a change with the circle pivot to wager. and what we have now is which has never reported. and this is very important because it's basically a silence for a propaganda war. there are 400 active bases surrounding china. but us spaces based off here in australia with probably the one of the most important a pine gap, all the way up through the philippines, thailand,

korea and japan. so that we have bases now which i primed for nuclear attack. uh uh, you know, for now was uh, and in korea, uh pointer china something like 5 or 600 miles away. that's the kind of provocation that way of living with day by day. now that's almost never use that as the dangerous stage, but worrying leaving us in a stage when they could be mistake or accident and it becomes a near clay, it will be trying to delta and in military times, trying to it doesn't threaten anybody. it's made, it is major very clear the waters interest to this business and trading in, in, in, in development, in,

in making its own people. a prosper us in a way that they've never known you. when you're in china, you have a history is like a presence the history of trying to ride through the 19th century as a, a colonial, impoverished servant of the west. uh, they feel that they call it the, the century of humiliation that's over. and it's been and it's been it's, it's over in a very spectacular way because china has risen to the point where the thing in the west can do it can do and often do it better. almost tough of all we're trying these covered, vax in is going to other countries that's indicative if i've tried those

development policies. this is, this is the beginning of a world based on development. it's not good. you know, that doesn't mean to say, but i grade power itself doesn't have the uh, present difficulties for all of us. but the difficulties are much diminished if that grade powell is not a miller tree aggressor. there's only one military aggressor in the world, and that is the u. s. back by u. k. packed by its vessel states, australia. and the reason for that is that the u. s. has realized its losing its economic dominance, but what it does have, or it thinks it has is military dominance. it's a very dangerous time or plus, you know, the news here that we get that i mean human rights, watch them as the cooling claims of human rights abuses. engine jang, true,

we and use every day about the the oppression of the oligarchs actually in, in hong kong, britain, upgrading is nuclear weapons and has sent h m. s. elizabeth. it's the black sea protecting us from russia, and it's headed for the south china sea. what do you think goes through the minds of the soldiers on board? a team is elizabeth the 2nd and bar is johnson? yeah. when he sends our ag ralph carry that during a pandemic. well, they will be told a story and they can hardly be blamed for what is going through their minds, frankly, with uh, are they across carrier, those costs billions. and who's a craft uh, by courtesy of the united states and those a craft and work for a while anyway. uh, it would be in a very black sense. so be funny if it wasn't so serious. uh, there's no reason to confront china or in the south trying to say, uh,

most of the stories that lives in zang about the way it goes out now propaganda without a buttons, without the evidence. in fact, in certain saying, there was a problem with the uh, i think it's the, what was the call, the east took us down. freedom movement, which the us state department describe as one of the most extreme terrorist organizations. so trying, i have a terrorism problem in, in the province waive a whether or not trying know is being able to handle succession this problem. uh, the same that the soviet union does had, and many of the countries of had a. but there was no evidence whatsoever a set, there is the kind of a suffering that has a worthy of the description genocide. but time genocide, i should remind you,

came from the lips of mike pompeo, who described himself as a lyle and most of the circle the evidence has come from a, a row such a now associated with the drain style and foundation in washington. call. adrian sans uh, if you look at settings is uh all his circle documentation. uh, its uh, documentation used by and the stand by the all those it fraudulent. he, the agent is that obviously we do invite him on the program and people can see our interview with the week of council uh, bus and uh on the showing on youtube channel. i mean, uh you, you mentioned earlier about, um these uh, base is around shane. uh, i mean obviously track and trace of a cove. it is a problem here in britain and we don't seem to be able to track and trace corona virus infection. but there's the, there seems to be a large number of bases that attract and tracing or how for every right

moves. just tell me what pine gap is. what part piney gap was set up by the c i a and it's new. alice springs was set up in the late ninety's and sixty's. uh, for many years it was denied uh uh, the stranger and government denies that it was an american base. they described as a shared facility. it wasn't that nothing and that kind. it's a completely american run. facilitate with a strange and employee is but as a straight and intelligence and us intelligence is completely integrated. that's not a problem. is it certainly one of the most important places in the world, and they've, what's known in his release document showed that to be uh, a base that spied right across asia, right across china,

right across russia. uh, i may just by operation not a defensive operation. a smile peroration. so at the moment, uh, it probably is the major spied base on, on, on china or, and all the other imagine the enemies of uh, of the united states. and it was, of course, julian aside, you helped snowden avoid the clutches of, of the united states, perhaps at ga, just a very quickly what have you heard about what is happening in the science case? biden doubling down. it seems on a 175 years for the world's most famous journalist. but it was some wasteful thinking for a while, but the by the administration may not carry on trumps to suit of julia and the song it is. and it's now heading for the high court in london where

it will probably, uh, happened in uh, in the awesome pep september, october. uh, and what's the high court? we'll decide whether there is any credibility in the us, appealing against this decision to let trillion go. my own site and say is, and i feel fine, you know, of a so making this prediction is a tool and will be set free. i certainly hope so because he bought his the hey, in bodies, the very resistance stuff we've been talking about in this program. it's the resistance of information of transparency, of, of a whole moral purpose of resisting the forces of, uh, oppression. uh julian himself and his case exemplifies that.

that's why what happens to him. this is so important to all of us, john pills you are there. and this is being a special tribute to john pill, jack, who has died condolences again to his family and all his friends and comrades. see you soon, the dangerous and ways when joe biden bear hug benjamin netanyahu. stan brace design is the agenda and all its deadly consequences. no matter how the american administration wants to parse as rules. israel's war on gaza. united states is ultimately accountable for israel's military campaign. the

. the news, what just happened and built around is definitely a terrorist act. it was a targeted attack on civilians that he made through thing, comments on key of dead. the attack on the russian city of delegate was killed 25 civilians and wounded a 109 volts. the bus comes under heavy shilling from ukraine on us. these nights with the least 4 civilians killed a more than a dozen windows then. yep. also the solid, the deadly is very military assault on cost of rolls over into a new yet, but some other students still hoping for peace against all the content. of course, i hope that this year will be a good one. that good will come to everyone in the will end soon and we will return to our homes in our country e mails with the tragic.