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i'm manila chan you are tuned into modus operandi. the term banana republic has long been used by us mainstream media to describe the political instability in countries of the global cell. most commonly throwed at latin american countries for the many presidents having and thrown behind bars for corruption. well, could these chickens have come home to roost? as the world watches several cases brought against the us? 45th president, donald trump unfold before the cameras. today we'll take a look at the u. s. drama, and the many cases of world leaders who go from president to present. all right, let's get into the m. o the . it's the 1st in us history. a former poetess indicted on

a myriad of charges ranging from corruption to some that are tantamount to fomenting a clue, or blocking the transfer of power. donald trump, now the face of this watershed moment ahead of the 2024 elections here in the us, where he is by many measures. not only the leading opposition candidate against incumbent joe biden, but the leader of the pact to win all these trials. he's facing our spark in the conversation of a weaponized justice system against political foes. while this is the 1st for the wes, this is not the case around the world. so joining us to discuss the many people who have gone from their nation's highest office to a miserable prison cell. it is ecuadorian journalist esteban cadell. he is the editor at the cradle. you can follow him on twitter or x. i still call it the

former followed him at esteban car locks c a r l o p. so as the month, as we watched these trials of donald trump unfold, historic for the us. no former po, this has ever been indicted on anything ever before. you being a journalist outside of the us and also an ecuadorian citizen. what goes through your mind? what do you think of what's happening here in the us? well, i think of seeing everything that is happening relating to trump. uh, the 1st thing that comes to my mind is that uh, it's a situation that has been a long time comment. i just said there is no former president that has actually been indicted or much less made to uh, you know, send to prison for our crimes committed during their administration and uh which we trump embrace is a lot of questions because what it, what it feels like it's it reminds me of, uh, what do things said recently that uh these uh, is uh, political persecution, of,

of the 08. 0, is persecution of a political opponent and uh its uh, he talked about the rotten is a very traditional system and i think uh, this is uh, very much the view outside because uh outside of the us we do not the in general and see that the things the same way that our people inside of the us see it. uh, we do not exist in that same bottle. so uh the situation withdraw him with the coming elections with the with bindings on legal problems which are the attorney general's into you. i seem to be honestly this interested into looking into them. it feels like, like i said, like something that has been a long time calling because it also speaks to the, to the level of the patient that exists within the united states. that up, according to some researches uh, is reached a point that is uh, essentially reversible, you know, between democrats and republicans and another thing that jumps to my mind that he's

a, dave, it's a part of the system. you know, and it's uh, it seems to exist uh to serve the same interest, you know, internally, maybe the republicans and the democrats may have a different system that are some small. busy outside, when it comes to foreign policy, you know, it almost doesn't matter who is sitting in the, in the white house because in the u. s. foreign policy has for so many back. it's now being centered on, on war, on sending weapons on law fair on sanctions. and now i don't know if, if trump's case is indeed a case of an offer, but the way that it's being deployed it's, that's going to be racing. many questions. so far, 30 or 40 years now, the u. s. has often chided latin american countries for prosecuting its own leaders . us mainstream media likes to use terms like banana republic,

to describe some of these arrests of these presidents in central and south america . do you sense any, have park or sea or perhaps even irony right now, given this historic moment for the us there's definitely a high level of the bumper. see a given what is happening that you as an, even before, and i have a lot of i or any indeed. yes. because uh, this idea that, uh, nothing american countries are running a republics is, um, it goes from a colonial his perspective, you know, and this idea that we kind of go over in ourselves that we need, you know, over 3 years now we need to, you know, do what we're told essentially, and this call is from the, from the euro. when the spanish, the bunch of used to french, the british, it took over these land and, you know, do what they need to do with the indigenous population. and it's, if it remains, it relates to say, might be or remain. so now we have a us precedent,

essentially facing the situation that is um, in the scope, the base to what has happened before in the, in many like in american countries. oh, to be on, is it nothing america? the interventions or the the yes, the us interventions they've been and usually targeting people who represent the national these movements or you know, along political lines uh like these movements, communist and socialism. and not so much when it comes to the right wing. so i would say that's mainly the, the biggest difference right now with what we see, what's happening with the truck. all right, so let's get into a more specifics of presidents past and present in south america who has faced legal trouble. talk to us a little bit about lula da silva in brazil. he was president from 2003 to 2010, but then he found himself in some legal trouble through what is now known as operation car wash. he was convicted on corruption charges,

but then fried and clear to run again in brazil as most recent presidential election against incumbent jr. bull sonata, he emerged victorious and is currently the president of brazil again. but now both denado might face legal was he might end up in prison to what's going on with brazil and this sort of ping pong match of political foes behind bars of what is currently happening in brazil is essentially the return of. busy the rule of law of institution, natalie, because i think there are more parallels between what is happening to both so nato to add to what is happening to trump down. what happened to that because the was the big thing. busy filter of the, of the use of the judicial system to persecute uh, a person for political gain, political objective. so what happened in brazil with the job the investigation was

that of the united states department of justice. give me share to these investigation they initiated to i smell persecutor office in brussels, of hardest right. city. and so, you know, and f b i agents were meeting constantly with uh, with this prosecutors. the judge in the case was meeting also was talking to prosecutors directing demo how to, to leave the gaze towards the worth of workers party who represent that a, a national project for the, a project of national development. least i believe 36000000 people that are over the he essentially ended in new jersey. he is up in albany or, you know, he doesn't have he, he has his gloss. but he's, he was the target of a campaign that sought to remove him from the ballad in 2018 and he was put in prison. there's a birthday now, some supreme court, they uh, an old, old, all the evidence which were uh,

essentially what they are known as course. but he bargained testimonies that were a pain eh, after many trials by the prosecutor about them in any event, by the prosecution to get the testimony that they wanted. that's it, they're all political goals among other types of manipulation. i think on the other hand, most are not all he uh he is under trial for uh for corruption, for uh, a different cases. i believe probably the one that has the most uh, spoken about. he said he keep in gifts that the, sorry, if i'm going to gave him for both. so nato and he was also barred now from running for office on field 2030 because in the lead up to the 2021 election he, i won't go into gathered. i don't know how many avenue was about a dawson for him and boss others in a room and essentially yelled at them about what he said was gonna be brought committed against against him via the electronic voting system in brazil

. so. busy he tried to manipulate the election result, you know, and this is where the similarities to the trunk situation. com. concord and what so not always is a mind that represents the computer. so you know what, whoever present that. she's the, essentially a neo nazi. he's on the bus will be leaving the rise of indigenous people. he's a man that believes that corporation should do as they please. i don't know if you remember of the ring he's any or and there were these china and the forest fires in the i'm a song and they were for a not big part that were initiated by the practices of this corporations with both scenarios. you know, they actually allow them to go in to, to ex bell indigenous people from their own communities to raise the, to, to burn down trees so that they could set up their operations. so it does the situation in brasil it was a case of law firm that expended are across nothing american right extended to my own country and above all the other break a scandal. it ended with the persecution of left the seat or 5 glare,

with the incarceration of his vice president autoglass, who had spent 5 years in prison. and during now you know, usually survive $25.00 present massacres. he and also at the same time in that by the, not a single other birds executive was ever prosecuted. so that shows you how it did you additional systems in your countries have been a kind of uh, turn against a popular projects, a turn against political and i guess political figures represent a in general represent uh the same ideology, right. coming up next, there's only one country in the western hemisphere whose polls show that they are even less happy with their government. then americans find out who when we return

with esteban, cardio said type sam. oh will be right back the the the fact. so let me try to so no we, we would, it's a shot record is missing 9. it's bad. you know, to theater when you, if you have somebody really will spearson aggressive are swap of beach and control . i'm sure. pretty good. awesome. since i knew it was a study and see for this, i'm going to talk a little. she's vitale, somebody from us, which is kind of nice with that, i'm pretty sure. so that would ensure it's good for us to see on the can you feel like i have in the morning she wouldn't have got the gun yet speed if i live it some way possible. but i think i've got the vehicle to know who the pressure of course the goes items

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a. chad. while it's no shocker to anyone that in most western democracies, most of the public is never too happy with who they elected to office. i don't know, maybe it's buyer's remorse. maybe it's something else. esteban claudio, the editor of the cradle, is back with us to i guess try to unpack that. so how about peru, esteban not long ago, just before christmas of 2022, president federal castillo was carted off to jail, immediately ahead of an impeachment vote against him. what were the circumstances around custio's case, and where is he now? precision, is it because figure is a different case, i would say, because castillo, essentially, what happened. he, he, the, what uh could we can see there as a self cool. she be so apartment, it's a even though he didn't have the, the legal or the constitutional and grounds to do with it. but he did it because he

needed to achieve voc over inability because the you a 2nd to prison about a year in 5 months into his he's a government this, the wasn't real teacher. he came essentially from nothing he's up. it was 1st left his precedent. but he came to power with no issue. she couldn't a really go over. so when you get this old man, but when he attempted to be sold parliament, it was because for the past year and a half, she was not able to do anything. he couldn't even swear in his own ministers because the far right groups in the program congress, but i'm not a visit and they would have been launch the launch uh, 3 impeachment proceedings i can stay in the time. that was enough, is the one that came out from the moment. use the been from the moment she wants to elections the one that came up. so eh, castillo also has a, the issue that, uh, before he won, she started to distance himself from the, from the region of last, you know, at some point in time. so anyone who was the band dependence while i'm project it

would defend because my daughter and then a few months later she would, you know, get, took up much more. uh, nothing america we, we say uh give you, you know, warm water like, or you want to play with everyone, but you have absolutely no strength to do so. so you play to do play to this trend . so the other side for all of the media for have all the corporations and we'll have that backing up in another state. so now people there are being ruled by a precedent of the novel. but why don't pay because of the 12 percent approval rating. the congress guys on 9 percent approval rating of the need and x rays of these and 71 percent of programs he owes approval bundle out of it. so that tells you a lot of where, where she stands and she's. busy also be 9 investigated for the depths of about 6, the professors who died. one cause the west point embrace on so because they are still in prison. she's the reason to be saying that he's the big the most of a plot that uh, you know, they tried to do is booking someone. but uh,

as far as we know, this is something that uh, submitted it to himself. and the interesting thing about the way that it was finding and that i, when it was researching is that um, open the crowding democratically elected president, is that having elected in producing the mid eighties? i mean the rest. so, you know, but those tells you how the corruption runs in the country. yeah, the peruvians are even less happy with their government then americans are based on these polls. so these incidents with presidents, they're not isolated to latin america. it happened in france in 2021, but without much global fanfare, certainly not much talk about it. here in the us. france being america's oldest ally, saw the former president nicholas or cosy convicted and sentenced to prison for 3 years on corruption charges. they say he quote was influence peddling and violated

professional secrecy. hm. that sounds familiar. stateside 2 circles. he is now facing yet another trial that's scheduled for 2025, around a ledge money received from the late libyan leader and well marked adolphe star. cosy, who's a lawyer, that turned politician faces, charges of corruption, again, criminal association, illegal campaign financing. and conspiracy in this using libyan public money. your thoughts are kazi, i think it's what's most interesting about it is why you said how little it was spoken about, you know, starting to see he is actually not a hasn't been arrested. he has been, uh, i think up the up most of the pain. eh, he, um he's, he's got a deal we've, we've got the oxy sees very chevy. uh, when i was looking into it, you know, cut off the before nato. started a bomb being, uh, maybe uh, about 2 days before and nato answered. she said in

a television interview that she had given money to the campaign of, i'm sorry for cnn to, to wherever you close before, you know, maybe it was uh, was the when uh, ams deals with friends. eh, got be visited uh perry's under uh, surfaces government for the 1st time in 30 years. so it was, uh, you know, like i said, he's very so he's a very interesting case that he's not spoken about. and i do think is no spoken about because this is not the role of french leader. and as you said, this is one of the main highlights of the united states. and at some point, it feels like when you, when you are western liter and you align with the, with the, with the aspirations of the united states, you can almost done the wrong. yeah, let's not forget that media circus. surrounding gadhafi is visit to paris where he was allowed to pitch a better intent outside the l as a palace. if we took a wider look at all of these various presidents of the so called democracies all

around the world, they're getting done on corruption charges, right? it's the theme for all of these presidents, but yet nobody has been brought up on actual charges like war crimes, crimes against humanity, or anything real like that. not only of the presidents, but people in the administration's. i mean, look at george w bush's people and the lead up to the iraq war. why is that always corruption, but nothing like killing millions of people. i mean, except for slow but on the low switch, but he was trying to hague, of course, but we don't have enough time to discuss his case. i think that the focus is usually put in corruption because he the focus wherever puts on on war crimes, on the, you know, legal invasions in the forest western countries to, to confront their own legacy, their own history, which uh, you know, what they have left behind and we're talking about the cypress he is indicted on

corruption charges start to see was one of the aspects of the median war. he was a bit of a surprise was the 1st going through the start of the media. you know, you have up iraq, obama getting a nobel peace prize, and keep in mind that a, a, i think drug more bones at any precedent. he's also an architect that you've been wor um, that were in syria. so i think of it the focus usually falls on corruption because it's something that allows the western uh, so called democracies to circumvent the reality of what they have done across the world. because the moment that they have to confront that is the moment. but the car, the car was you know, and don't forget that of the united states, for example, is not a signatory of a international criminal. uh, eh, the international court of justice. and you know, the same with israel, which is one of the biggest culprits of human rights abuses of war crimes in the,

in, in modern history. so i think it's, it's about that, you know, as you said, these are white color crimes. you know, these are a and then what are the sensors isn't in there? i was left on the wrist. yes, i am very glad that you brought up. maybe nothing yahoo because he keeps flipping through the legal cracks as well. but again, that man would need a whole episode to discuss as well. all right, as the von patio editor of the cradle dot c o check out his work there. thank you so much for this. very enlightening and fun conversation. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of motors operandi the show that dig deep in the foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host middleware chan, thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o. the

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