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israel is in some it's been enabling israel's ongoing genocide in god's up. and we know that in part because there have been campaigns, there was a big campaign a few years ago, including a formal legal, a complaint to the canada revenue agency around the jewish national fund. of canada and their role in violating canada revenue agency rules independent jewish. busy bases and a whole bunch of groups here in canada instigated this initiative. and again, in that case it was, it was clear that the jane of canada was violating sir rules. what did, what the jane, what the siri did is they sort of, there was a bit of slap on the wrist of the jane as they said to jane. i've had to change a few of their things, but basically allow them to continue with their charitable status. and that's only because of the, of, in that case, very influential a charity. but also because that influential charity is operating within this political climate in canada, which is decidedly at a palestinian,
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which is decidedly support of, of, of, of israel. and so these charities are for the insulating from uh their, their violations, fairly clear violations of the, of the actual charity rules. they're supposed to be ok under our over now to chat, where is transit transitional leadership is a full new government and appointed a former opposition leader. as the country is new prime minister, he had actually fled the country in 2022. just returning a pair of months ago, off of the government allowed him to return to politics is mister as to the president of the transition mohammed addressed to be, it know, has placed his trust and success. a musser of a leader of the chatty and opposition. born on august 30th, $198036.00, a mouse or a month, a major fights against the late father of the current transitional president. the man's political career has been forged in 5 years, from economist and graduate and science as opposed to free to
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a career which does not fail in its merits. what message is the chatty and president sending by choosing his opponent to lead the government? a message of unity and peace in all likelihood. disappointment follows the promotion of the 5th republic on december 29th, and should lead to elections by the end of 20 to 24. what we can say is the chatty ends expect a lot from him. well, meantime around that part of the continent as well, the french embassy and the chair is finally been shut down french and troops finally booted out of new jazz in egypt. and i'll join in the likes of molly and, but in the past i looked at it and used more independent future. well, that's it. finality one ology international. but we're back with breaking news of the top of the our, the,
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[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the president of the united states cause the real stir when speaking to congress . joe biden brought up the possibility of american troops fighting russian troops. this is the state of the fail due crane project facing failure on all fronts. biden's only option is to expand the complex, really the
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cross option ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in delmark. steve is a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector, and in nashville, we have steve deal. he is an attorney and political commentator, hard gentleman, cross talk roads, and the fact that means he can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. let me go to you 1st got um, zalinski, the president of ukraine, and a supplicant of the united states and this affair here he is visiting, i guess, but as we're speaking now, joe biden, what do you think the conversation is going to be about scott? a look, this is about joe barton using zalinski is a prompt. you to try and put pressure on the republicans in congress to pass a supplemental. um, you know, a budget that includes money for ukraine, for israel, and a little bit of money for the southern border. he's going to make the case that it
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is a lensky, the president of this wonderful democracy called ukraine, and cannot survive without american assistance. american assistance that he joe biden promised american assistance that united states congress has regularly voted in favor of and the failure of the republicans to follow through on the obligations of the nation. it will represent a betrayal. so this is a grand act of theater. 12 the same, the same question to you because i, i can't really um, surmising what exactly the united states is supposed to do, keep funding this money. obviously it looks like they, they, they've all, all been accepted failure, but they want to keep it going until the election. so it doesn't dog. isn't there a way around biting shoulders, but that's a kind of a very cynical thing to do. so another $100000.00 ukranian troops will die because of jo biden's, political ambitions and ego. go ahead, steve. like you said about, you know,
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3 or $400000.00 for that. i just really feel sorry for zaleski is interpreter. can you imagine it tried to interpret the mumblings of joe biden, in some sort of incoherent sense? i figured i can't understand him, but the problem is, he says he wanted to be a wartime president. that's what a strategist does that come up with is you can't be an economic president because by nomics is failing miserably. you can't be the border secure a present because that failed miserably. the energy presence. so now he's left to try and become the wartime president, and he is devoted to getting america into a war. and, and i will say this, the american people are about set up. we've given you any money to your grades. i know they're more than set up with any, any boots on the ground. what do you great at this point or any point in the near foreseeable future? well, i'm speaking about troops here. scott biden's mentioned the possibility, quote, american troops fighting russian troops. now, that seems to me or go, he but he assumes that russia will attack nato if ukraine fails. why?
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that's a flawed logic here. it sounds like he wants that to happen to legitimize. he's failed to crane project. scott, i don't know if he wants to happen because 1st of all, if it happened, we would go nuclear immediately because the nato and the united states lack the military capability of prevailing in ground combat, large scale ground combat against russia. but it's a, it's, as you noted, is absolutely false. apprentice up russia a has no intention of attacking nato attacking poland, attacking the baltics. the russians historically, of always had a defensive posture. they were compelled to act and ukraine, because of years of nato expansion and efforts by the collective west to turn ukraine into a weapon against russia. so russia acted, you know, preemptively,
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as a preemptive self defense was the, um, yeah, the justification to flattery put, use on article 51 in the united nations charter. but the other thing is the russian military, while it's very successful on the battlefield today. um, you know, has limited capacity, limited capability. we learned this in the 1st phases of this conflict, where they tried to do too much with too little 200000 troops. there's a limit to what they can do. well, there's a limit to what 60700000 troops can do, meaning that they are capable of defeating the ukrainian military. they are capable of seizing additional territory if tasked with that job, but they're not capable for as they currently stand to occupy ukraine. let alone launch a massive military invasion of poland or the baltic. so joe biden has created a fantasy world that he has populated with fantasy figures. the good news is that
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this will never happen because as this is a joe said, i want to send american troops in the ukraine. this is joe said, russia will attack poland. russia won't attack bold. so this is just politics as usual. yeah, steve, it's really interesting also in the same conversation in john kirby, not the smartest guy in the room. you know, he's invoking article 5 as if you know, this is again, something that the, you know, is a, is a trip wire, a threat directed at russia that there is this article 5. i would be very, very cautious if i were john kirby or the president, the united states and his useless of secretaries. they blinking is that article 5 is much more of a mythology than reality here. and i would advise them not to test it because i don't think portugal is good to go to war. overbuild this. okay, and i think the, the war and ukraine is actually proven that go ahead, steve. but it's kind of exactly right. and the democrats and the volume,
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ministration, even pages, boogeyman of, of russia, and prove that if we don't stop them in john best, they'll roll across you. great occupied ukraine's invade sweden and finland in poland and adult dominated europe. militarily luck, ukraine is the size of the texas occupying a country. that size is not going to be possible with the rest of the military's. it is particularly when you get into the other side of ukraine, and you have folks that would be willing to fight for their home to have guerrilla warfare and the idea that they would be in bathing your western europe is just again, the book you man, the divided administration is trying to create so that that members of congress will look into their beds afraid they'll find to me when you, when you look at the capacity of the us is scott mentioned to engage in any kind of large scale round more. we've given most of our munitions to ukraine that have been lost or wasted, or we'd like to buy that afghanistan. or we've got the u. s. department of defense that can't account for them. and yet you've got the secretary just escalated
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congress, demanding more money into ukraine. say, if you don't give us money, we're going to send your sons and daughters and uncles and brothers to die, that kind of threat. i don't think it's going to play well with members of congress . and again, i don't think it plays well with the american people. well, you know, it's got, you know, this whole sabre rattling about, you know, attacking a nato country and all that. you know, um, i know it's a lot of work for some people, but just look at the words the russian officials have said, let's actually go to the very beginning. demilitarization and d knots vacation means destroying the ukrainian military that has been supported by nato and regime change in to those conditions covered really change scott, i know you're a 100 percent correct. look, the, the thing here though is that there have been some voices in the russian media. you know, russia has some very, uh, uh, inflammatory um,
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tv shows where you have right now. these come on and, and say things are not official policy makers. they are speaking their own opinion in you. so when you have people say we're gonna come see this through on the warsaw on the berlin. all that does is feed the, you know, the, the, the propaganda mills here in america and allow people to say, the russians intend to come to data. but the reality is there's the russian government speech for russian not sometimes. well, but i'm glad you brought it up. scott, everybody listening to everyone watching the program here? yes, russia has its own. sean hannity's do surprise it. does it has it's jo, scholar burrows, are you surprised? ok they did. is joe scarborough and todd henry represent the us government hardly. um they may want to appeal to elements of the government, but they don't represent it. and i'm glad scott brought that up. i see the same shows, same kind of pod heads and some are, are very gene go istic. absolutely,
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they are okay. but it's part of the entertainment landscape unfortunately. steve, let me go back to you again. you know, we have um, um, nato, uh, defining russia as an enemy. and since this conflict is started and much, much more, more, but unofficially, now it's official here. russia is going to react to that. i don't understand why people don't. if you're called anatomy, you're going to react to it, go ahead. see as well. and the fact that this, this was a, a conflict, it could've been completely avoided. it had uh uh, victoria new and from the state department in boris jobs and not swooped in to keeps the lens deep from striking a deal on the front end. and then you had your restroom, making it clear that the expansion of nato, to their border was, was intolerable. it was something that the us agreed not to do it yet, decade or so ago. and yet tamala, here as they are kind of again working us into this conflict by announcing, oh yeah, we're going to expand nato into ukraine, and the russians don't know. she's an idiot. the russians don't know. she's
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clueless, and they walked it back. but then there every action since then has been underlining, or we're going to expand, you really expand data in the ukraine, which is again, a breach of the promises that the u. s. has made in the past. is that absolutely words that really mean very much and unfortunately, that's what the russians have learned from all this the men's process and all that . scott kate 8, we both watched the media and the, the failed piece process that the us and the u. k. a torpedo in early parts of the conflict here. how often is that mentioned in the mainstream media? you and i talked about it in real time. i remember it in real time. okay. it's never got an airing on the main stream media. the public simply doesn't know that this conflict, 1st of all, could have been avoided. second of all, it could have been shut down relatively quickly. scott: i know you're
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a 100 percent correct? because 1st of all, a to, to discuss what happened in march and april requires people to re think the, the entire, you know, narrative bitch been portrayed in the west of an aggressive russia. she can territorial acquisition, seeking to destroy it to you. but when you look at the terms that russia had agreed to, they were extraordinarily lenient. um, good, almost some people say it almost was like russia lost in was conceding things to ukraine. that's helped lenient scholars got. i, i remember at the time, i remember at the time and it probably was talking you about it. i, i said that would be defined as a strategic to feed or it, it did it in retrospect yes. but it shows how much rush i wanted to avoid. what's happening today, how little appetite russia had at the time for war. and believe me why she doesn't have an appetite for war today either. all right, i got home that thought gentlemen, i have to go to a hard break and after that hard breaks will continue our discussion on ukraine.
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stay with our team, the the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter will build to remind you we're discussing ukraine, the . okay, let me just go back to scott scott, it's the rumor mill. there's a lot of whispers going on, but you know more and more often you hear zalinski is no longer the guy. and of course, has been in a more enormous amount of reporting and alternative media about the machinations going on in 2, we have zelinski is immediate lieutenant's calling him delusional. that time magazine article, the economist article,
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those things don't happen by accident. ok. so there's a whole swirl going on around zalinski and, and then there were there his competitors in the military. they have more popularity than he does. after all, as you pointed out, you know, there are no elections going on right now. so we have basically the little m for um, zalinski. what are your thoughts about the stability of the regime as well? first of all, we just have to be honest to note that zalinski is 100 percent. the construct of the collective west of the united states of great britain, of nato, of the european union. he is a tool tool of the west, but he serves a task that is just to be the public face of ukraine that allows western governments to justify the flow of hundreds of billions of
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dollars of money and resources into ukraine. he is the propaganda element that we west put out there to say. this is the man, this is the face of ukraine, the face of freedom, the face of democracy, the man who was standing up to the evil russian a talk receipt. and as long as you know, they can sell zalinski that way. they can justify sending this money, but they can no longer zalinski and he's well past is used by data. he doesn't serve that function anymore. and therefore, he's lost his utility not only in the west, but in ukraine because he's not an effective leader, is an artificial construct. and if he's not bringing in the money that fuels this corrupt regime and is corrupt nation, and this in effective military, if he's not bringing in the money, the pad, the bank accounts of these other corrupt ukrainian officials. what use does he have in the military is growing increasingly frustrating,
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frustrated about so let's get because of this insistence on counting to the west to carry out counter offensive that never had a chance of success. always, we're going to sacrifice thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of ukrainian lives just to continue the money flowing. now, the spigot you bring turned off as a lensky, i think, is on his final legs there. he can't last much longer. as the leader, we see a lot of with inside you crane and outside you crane to replace it. man. i, sadly, i think this of this trip to washington dc might be one of his last guests, as president of ukraine. yeah, yes. mean, he, you know, the, someone's case, like the perfect western liberal. he, he, he likes to support ideas that have no impact on him. personally. i'm sure there's a private jet all sealed up, ready to take about and, you know, like gummy out of afghanistan. okay. but we're way ahead of ourselves, but that is one option here. you know, it's, it's steve,
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it's really interesting is that one of the that has been made by many different um marketing attempts of this conflict in ukraine. the most recent one is corporate uh, welfare, the trickle down, you know, like 95 percent of the money comes back to arms manufacturers is if that's a good thing. okay. but they, they keep reinventing their marketing to keep this going on. and you know, yeah, i don't feel sorry for arms makers, are they always have a boon when there's a conflict going on. they like wars. okay. and, and, and biden likes to serve their interests. go ahead steve, as well. and, and perhaps the most ridiculous assertion that be on the is just alone. it's going to get paid back. so yeah, like all the money that we loaned into europe after world war 2. but tim scott said it even better when he claimed is that that this is the, this is the law is going to get paid back. it's not just the supplement, the arms dealers, and there's that money, as you pointed out, flows back to us. we did these the ridiculous assertions of why it's good for
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america, just to promote a war and, and ukraine. the best way you can tell that you frame force is last traction is you're not seeing the ukraine pans worn on politicians and people around the country anymore. they've been replaced by these really flags and, and perhaps the best education of, of the wednesdays. last hour. i think it was time magazine versus the year last year. this year is taylor swift. that's how much things have shifted away from ukraine. and i really don't even know who that is. okay. but anyway, i'm, i'm sorry, i don't follow that stuff. i the academy awards, but i don't, i'm interested in that kind of stuff. a scott is what is the plan now just life support just to get through the election cycle. i think you hit the nail on the head there. this is not about the security of the western and the west is already adjusting to the inevitability of ukrainian defeat. you see nato, you see the, you,
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you see the united states started to move things behind the scenes to prepare themselves for a russian victory. but politically, biden can't concede that the 1st of all, he's looking for a scape goat netscape go. it's going to be the republican party. oh yeah. he is going to, uh, you know, say i did everything. i could, it was the republicans are denied the funding. therefore, the republicans are responsible for the defeat of your trade. now if the republicans happened to cough up the money, then what you're going to see is what we've already seen. well, it's ukrainians fault. we gave them every resource they needed, but their military, it wasn't good enough. they just, they didn't have what it takes, of anything to push the blame away from buying because we are in to the silly season we are less than a year away from a presidential election, which means america has gone. bring that, we're now only about politics and politics is all about shifting blame on to other people taking credit where you can. and this is what bite is going to be doing with
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your craig. we've lost this war. ukraine is lost as war right now. it's about ensuring that the consequences of this defeat don't blow back on joe biden, politically, that he pushes as much of the blame for this ukrainian debacle on to other people. well, and i'll also to the scott and steve here we have to keep in mind. there was somebody responsible stay crafted road to a couple weeks into the conflict. the ukraine has already one very interesting title, because i would say then once a settlement and it will be defeat, then there's going to be the, the blame game in side of you. crane who took the money. where is the money? where is this guy? it's going to be k arctic, very, very chaotic. c i n, you've already had go ahead and get paid already have the senior officials get fired for corruption by the wednesday. first of all, it has various ministers and then talk folks in the defense ministry getting fired
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for corruption. they've taken the money to us, can account for the money, but you can't account for the money is as billions of dollars have been misplaced. do you? and i think the other, the other critical thing is that you can, i think, blame ukraine for this last because we were told about all the page reality. we're going to defend our country. and yet there are hundreds of thousands of young ukrainian manuals fled the country. to avoid the draft for that recognizing they'd rather go to jail afterwards, rather than go to the front lines and died now. and with all this patriotic got pushed it. we got the propaganda that, that ukraine is fighting for itself. why are they having to drag 16 year old boys out of malls? why they haven't put 7 year old man on the front minds? because the praise people are wanting to fight for don bass and don't ask and marry ogles, they, they don't see any reason to fight for it. why are we fighting for it? and again, i don't think americans want our kids to fight for places that they don't even
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matter to the ukrainians. yes. got into the demographic crisis is horrific for ukraine. i mean, depending on who you asking ukrainians, who always had been notorious of a bad with their statistics here. but there are some estimates that the population of ukraine now is approximately half. it was when they got its independence, that it happens very rarely, very rarely. scott as well, what we're looking at is a, is a failed state. i mean, there are been many people in russia including blood and report and we have our teacher related to ukraine is an artificial state of. but what we're looking at right now is a failed state. oh, you know, you talked about, you know, the chaos that they will break out. and ukraine is, people are looking to blame that. but that assumes that there's going to be a, a ukrainian government that, um, a good point operates independently and sorry, the notification means the end of the zalinski really means the end of the
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ukrainian or rather the power. but that means the end of the constitution as it's currently configured, it means the end of ukraine is, it's currently governed. there will be a new government in ukraine. it there has to be and i believe this government will be hand picked by the russians. and so there won't be as much chaos as you think. i think there will be a lot of retribution. i think there will be a lot of accountability. but the bottom line is ukraine as it existed in 2014 will never exist again. and i think back, i had an interesting conversation with a senior russian official just last week. and he basically said that ukraine has a very limited window of opportunity right now to strike a deal that won't allow you trained to have the maximum territory and sovereignty that the longer this goes on that offer will be off the table. and you'll be looking at a completely different outcome then the one that could be offered today. but either
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way, you train it strategically defeated and the terms of ukraine future will be dictated by russia not by some sort of negotiation between you train in the west. yeah, and steve, you know, again, auto kind of which really right, go ahead and type in, let me ask you got this, got it. exactly right, that's what happens. the grain going forward, what happens to russia going forward? i mean that the demon is ation to use in russia in the west and in america. how do you now great rest of back to the table and say okay, all is well all forget it. oh, you have sanctions are off there. they're going to be a buddy again, how do you move that machinery back into bringing russia into the world of nations? well, well, you know, scott mc my place. i want to be kind all 3 of us, but we will see that in our lifetime this is a generational breach that will not be mended for a very long time. those sanctions will not come to an end because the west nato
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land cannot accept that it was wrong. okay, because of their it, but they were there. virtuous russians are, they, they, uh they, they're the rule of law, the rules based or big. they can't change slightly. the only way, the only way to both the due date when it was almost out of time here, but i do have a way out for them. at least putting didn't make it to pair us. we won steve. and that's exactly right, but yeah, i was in the ukraine and don bass area is asking and they all go for the elections and you know, we keep hearing from again the by the ministrations this occupied territories. look better than a rack a couple of times. scott is, has been an actual occupied territories. don't ask very helpful or not occupied. you not to the russian soldiers on every. busy the lies from the beginning of this need to be dealt with and the media in the western got your for you and america have blood on their hands. well with it's all because of our occupied washington. that's why we've gotten here, gentlemen. that's all the time we have a want to thank my gets in nashville and, and delmore, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us c r t. see you next time
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