it while they were being transported through the desert, was to achieve peaceful coexistence in chad. we had to enter into political negotiations. this step towards the truce and the appointment of a former opposition figure as prime minister will stabilize the situation in chat. currently, french troops who have been withdrawn from other african regions that have been deployed to chat, which remains the only bastion of stability in the center of conflict. france, of course, it plays its role, but it is not the only one in this regard. there was also the u. s. good, which in its role as a mediator as closely monitored as problems into them. there was also saudi arabia, as well as egypt and ethiopia, which are trying to resolve conflicts along denials. but among them, there was also russia for kia and algeria, which i've already done a lot for molly. i've been in relation to what happens you to back comfortable a r t that com is where you can get updates of the stories. well,

following these our see you again another top of the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the president of united states cause to real stir. when speaking to congress, joe biden brought up the possibility of american troops fighting russian troops. this is the state of the failed ukraine project, facing failure on all fronts. biden's only option is to expand the conflict. really

the cross option ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in delmark. steve is a farmer, intelligence officer and a united nations weapons inspector, and in nashville, we have steve deal. he is an attorney and political commentator, hard gentleman crosstalk rules and i think that means he can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. let me go to you 1st. got um, um zalinski, the president of ukraine and a supplicant of the united states and this affair here he's visiting, i guess, as we're speaking now. joe biden. what do you think that conversation is going to be about? scott a, look, this is about joe button using zalinski is a prompt. you to try and put pressure on the republicans in congress to pass a supplemental. um, you know, a budget that includes money for ukraine, for israel, and

a little bit of money for the southern border. he's going to make the case that there's a lensky, the president of this wonderful democracy called ukraine, and cannot survive without american assistance. american assistance that he joe biden promised american insistence that united states congress has regularly voted in favor of and the failure of the republicans to follow through on the obligations of the nation. it will represent a betrayal. so this is a grand act of theater. 12 the same with the same question to you because i, i can't really um, surmising what exactly the united states is supposed to do, keep funding this money. obviously it looks like they, they, they've all, all been accepted failure, but they want to keep it going until the election. so it doesn't dog. isn't there a way around biting shoulders, but that's a kind of

a very cynical thing to do. so another $100000.00 ukranian troops will die because of jo biden's, political ambitions and ego. go ahead, steve. like you said about, you know, 3 or $400000.00 for that. i just really feel sorry for zaleski is interpreter. can you match that? tried to interpret the mumblings of joe biden, in some sort of a coherent sense i should be getting, is that i can't understand him. but the problem is, he says he wanted to be a wartime president. that's what his strategist did not come up with is you can't be an economic president because by nomics is failing miserably. you can't be the border secure a present because that failed miserably. the energy presence. so now he's left to try and become the wartime president, and he is devoted to getting america into a war. and, and i will say this, the american people are about set up. we've given you the money to you. great. i know they're more than set up with any, any boots on the ground. what do you great at this point or any point in the near foreseeable future? well, i'm speaking about troops here. scott biden's mentioned the possibility, quote,

american troops fighting russian troops. now, that seems to me or go, he but he assumes that russia will attack nato if ukraine fails. why? that's a flawed logic here. it sounds like he wants that to happen to legitimize. he's failed to crane project. scott, i don't know if he wants to happen because 1st of all, if it happened, we would go nuclear immediately because the nato and the united states lack the military capability of prevailing in ground combat, large scale ground combat against russia. but it's a, it's as you know, that is absolutely false. up, apprentice. russia, a has no intention of attacking nato attacking poland, attacking the baltics. the russians historically of always had a defensive posture. they were compelled to act and ukraine, because of years of nato expansion and efforts by the collective west to

turn ukraine into a weapon against russia. so russia acted, you know, preemptively, as a preemptive self defense was the yeah, the justification to blood report use on our article, 51 in the united nations charter. but the other thing is the russian military, while it's very successful on the battlefield today. um, you know, has limited capacity, limited capability. we learned this in the 1st phases of this conflict, where they tried to do too much with too little 200000 troops. there's a limit to what they can do. well, there's a limit to what 60700000 troops can do, meaning that they are capable of defeating the ukrainian military. they are capable of seizing additional territory if tasked with that job, but they're not capable for as they currently stand to occupy ukraine. let alone launch

a massive military invasion of poland or the baltic. so joe biden has created a fantasy world that he has populated with fantasy figures. the good news is that this will never happen because as this is a joe said, i want to send american troops in the ukraine. this is joe said, russia will attack poland. russia won't attack bold. so this is just politics as usual. yeah, steve, it's really interesting also in the same conversation in john kirby, not the smartest guy in the room. we know he's invoking article 5 as if you know, this is again something that the, you know, is a, is a trip wire, a threat directed at russia that there is this article 5. i would be very, very cautious if i were john kirby or the president, the united states and his useless secretaries. they blinking is that article 5 is much more of a mythology than reality here. and i would advise them not to test it, because i don't think fortunate goal is good to go to war overbuild this. okay,

and i think the, the war and ukraine is actually proven that go ahead steve, as well, it's kind of exactly right. and, and the democrats and the volume, ministration, given pages, boogeyman of, of russia, and prove that if we don't stop them in john best, they'll roll across you. great occupied ukraine's invade sweden and finland in poland. the adult dominated europe, militarily, like ukraine, is the size of texas occupying a country that size is not going to be possible with the rest of the military's. it is particularly when you get into the other side of ukraine, and you have folks that would be willing to fight for their home to, to have guerrilla warfare and the idea that they would be in bathing your western europe is just again, the book, the man that's abided, administration is trying to create, so that that members of congress will look into their beds, afraid they'll find tutoring when you, when you look at the capacity of the us is scott mentioned to engage in any kind of large scale round more. we've given most of our munitions,

the grain that have been lost or wasted, or we left to buy that afghanistan. or we've got the u. s. department of defense. we can't account for them. and yet you've got the secretary of defense. so in the congress, demanding more money into ukraine, say if you don't give us this. finally, we're going to send your sons and daughters and uncles and brothers to die, that kind of threat. i don't think it's going to play well with members of congress . and again, i don't think it plays well with the american people. well, you know, it's got, you know, this whole sabre rattling about, you know, attacking a nato country and all that. you know, um, i know it's a lot of work for some people, but just look at the words that russian officials have said. let's actually go to the very beginning. demilitarization and d knots vacation means destroying the ukrainian military that has been supported by nato and regime change in to those conditions cover and really change scott, i know you're a 100 percent correct. look, the, the thing here though is that there have been some voices in the russian. uh,

media, you know, russia has some very, uh, uh, inflammatory um, tv shows where you have now these come on and, and say things are not official policy makers. uh, they are speaking their own opinion in you. so when you have people say we're gonna come see this through on the warsaw on the berlin. all that does is feed the, you know, the, the, the propaganda mills here in america and allow people to say, the russians intend to come to natal. but the reality is, there's the russian government speech for russia. not some punk well, but i'm glad you brought it up. scott, everybody listening to everyone watching the program here? yes, russia has its own sean hannity's surprise. it does. it has it's jo, scholar burrows. are you surprised? okay. they did. is joe scarborough and todd henry represent the us government hardly. um they may want to appeal to elements of the government,

but they don't represent it. and i'm glad scott brought that up. i see the same shows, same kind of pod heads and some are very gene go wasting. absolutely, they are okay, but it's part of the entertainment landscape unfortunately. steve, let me go back to you again. you know, we have um, um, nato, uh, defining russia as an enemy. since this conflict is started and much, much more, more, but unofficially, now it's official here. russia is going to react to that. i don't understand why people don't. if you're called anatomy, you're going to react to it, go ahead, see as well. and the fact that this, this was a, a conflict. it could have been completely avoid this. had uh uh, victoria new and uh, from the state department in boris jobs and not swooped in to keep the wednesday from striking a deal on the front end. and then you had your rest of making it clear that the expansion of nato, to their border was, was intolerable. it was something that the us agreed not to do and yet decade or so ago. and yet tamala,

here as they are kind of again working us into this conflict by announcing, oh yeah, we're going to expand that, you know, into ukraine, and the russians don't know. she's an idiot. the russians don't know. she's clueless and they walked it back. but then there every action since then has been underlining, or we're going to expand, you really expand, they go into, into ukraine, which is again, a branch of the problem is, is that the us is made in the past? is that absolutely words, though, really? mean very much and unfortunately that's what the russians have learned from all this, but men's process and all that. scott, can you get a we both watch the media and the, the failed piece process that the us and the u. k. a torpedo in early parts of the conflict here. how often is that mentioned in the mainstream media? you and i talked about it in real time. i remember it in real time. okay. it's never got an airing on the main stream media. the public simply doesn't know that

this conflict, 1st of all, could have been avoided. second of all, it could have been shut down relatively quickly. scott: i know you're a 100 percent correct? because 1st of all, a to, to discuss what happened in march and april requires people to re think to be of the entire, you know, narrative bitch been portrayed in the west of an aggressive russia. she can territorial acquisition, seeking to destroy it to you. but when you look at the terms that russia had agreed to, they were extraordinarily lenient. it's almost some people say it almost was like russia lost in was conceding things to ukraine, that's out lenient scholars got. i, i remember at the time i remember at the time and, and probably was talking you about it. i, i said that would be defined as a strategic to feed or it, it did it in retrospect yes. but it shows how much rush i wanted to avoid. what's happening today, how little appetite russia had at the time for war. and believe me why she doesn't

have an appetite for war today either. all right, got hold that thought gentlemen, i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard breaks will continue our discussion on ukraine space. with our to the on july, the 8th 1941 german troops ended in a stony of from the south soviet soldiers and civilians for the enemy courageously on the stony and soil, with thousands of casualties filled out the federal home to us wants to. but we are giving you 52, i get the i'm not sure to frontier what city of even that's the beauty we bought, the what is pushing it during the years following the soviet victory, a large number of monuments loveless and burial sites were rented to on of those

who had fallen in the wall at the c s. however, recently many of them have either been demolished vandalized or completely neglected as a result of the, of those who do their best to preserve once it left to the memory. so as to prevent, rewrite history and re made consciousness profile for the labs, the site is to your credit accounts offensively, you know, it was a fine you that arises serious souls, probably lucian's on the, on the west and ukrainian. so it is a bother on strings, illusions about the strengths of the russian opponents. basically the, you know, the took their to rush or, and you crying was a door that just have to be checked in and the whole structure would come,

come some come into the looseness. i've been shopping with the welcome back across popular all things are considered. i'm peter will build your mind you were discussing ukraine. the . okay, let me just go back to scott scott, it's the rumor mill. there's a lot of whispers going on, but you know more and more often you hear zalinski is no longer the guy. and of course, has been in a more enormous amount of reporting and alternative media about the machinations going on in 2 of the zelinski is immediate lieutenant's calling him delusional. that time magazine article, the economist article, those things don't happen by accident. ok. so there's

a whole swirl going on around zalinski and, and then there were there his competitors in the military. they have more popularity than he does. after all, as you pointed out, you know, there are no elections going on right now. so we have basically the little emperor as a landscape. what are your thoughts about the stability of the regime? well, 1st of all, we just have to be honest and noted zelinski is 100 percent. the construct of the collective west of the united states of great britain, of nato, of the european union. he is a tool, a tool of the west, but he serves a task that is just to be the public face of ukraine that allows western governments to justify the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars of money and resources into ukraine. he is the propaganda element that we, the west put out there to say, this is the man, this is the face of ukraine,

the face of freedom, the face of democracy, the man who standing up to the evil russian autocracy. and as long as you know, they can sell zalinski that way. they can justify sending this money, but they can no longer this wednesday and he's will past is used by data. he doesn't serve that function anymore. and therefore, he's lost his utility not only in the west, but in ukraine because he's not an effective leader, is an artificial construct. and if he's not bringing in the money that fuels this corrupt regime and is corrupt nation and this in effective military, if he's not bringing into money, the pad, the bank accounts of these other corrupt, your training officials. what use does he have in the military's growing increasingly frustrating, frustrated about so let's get because of this insistence on counting to the west to

carry out counter offensive that never had a chance of success. always, we're going to sacrifice thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of ukrainian lives just to continue the money flowing. now, the spigot you bring turned off. the zalinski i think is on his final legs there. he can't last much longer. as the leader, we see a lot of with inside you crane and outside you, crane to replace them. and i, sadly, i think this of this trip to washington dc might be one of his last guests as president of ukraine. yeah, us, me think, you know, the silence gives like the perfect western liberal. he, he likes to support ideas that have no impact on him. personally. i'm sure there's a private jet all sealed up, ready to take about and, you know, like gummy out of afghanistan. okay. but we're way ahead of ourselves, but that is one option. you know it's, it's steve, it's really interesting is that one of the there's, there's been many,

many different marketing attempts of this conflict in ukraine. the most recent one is corporate uh, welfare, the trickle down, you know, like 95 percent of the money comes back to arms manufacturers. if that's a good thing. okay. but they, they keep reinventing their marketing to keep this going on. and you know, it, i don't feel sorry for arms makers are they always have a boon when there's a conflict going on. they like wars. ok and, and, and bite and likes to serve their interests. go ahead steve. as well and, and perhaps the most ridiculous assertion that be on the is just alone. it's going to get paid back. so yeah, like all the money that we loaned into europe after world war 2. but tim scott said it even better when he claimed is that this is, this is the law is going to get paid back. it's not just the supplement, the arms dealers, and there's that money, as you pointed out, flows back to us. we did these the ridiculous assertions of why it's good for america, just to promote a war and, and ukraine. the best for you can tell that the brain forces last traction is

you're not seeing the ukraine pans worn on politicians and people around the country anymore. they've been replaced by these really flags and, and perhaps the best education of, of the wednesdays lost power. i think he was time magazine versus the year last year. this year is taylor swift. that's how much things have shifted away from ukraine. and i really don't even know who that is. okay. but anyway, i'm, i'm sorry, i don't follow that stuff. i the academy awards. we, i don't, i'm interested in that kind of stuff. a scott is, what is the plan now? just life support. uh, just to get through the election cycle. i think you hit the nail on the head there . this is not about the security of the west or the west is already adjusting to the inevitability of ukrainian defeat. you see nato, you see the, you, you see the united states started to move things behind the scenes to prepare themselves for a russian victory. but politically,

biden can't concede that the 1st of all, he's looking for a scape goat netscape go. it's going to be the republican party. oh yeah. he is going to, uh, you know, say i did everything. i could, it was the republicans are denied the funding. therefore, the republicans are responsible for the defeat of your trade. now if the republicans happen to cough up the money, then what you're going to see is what we've already seen. well, it's ukrainians fault. we gave them every resource they needed, but their military, it wasn't good enough. they just, they didn't have what it takes, of anything to push the blame away from buying because we are in to the silly season we are less than a year away from a presidential election, which means america has gone bring debt. we're now only about politics and politics is all about shifting blame on to other people taking credit where you can and this is what bite is going to be doing with your craig. we've lost this war. ukraine is

lost as war right now. it's about ensuring that the consequences of this defeat don't blow back on joe biden, politically, that he pushes as much of the blame for this ukrainian debacle on to other people. well, and i'll also to the scott and steve here we have to keep in mind. there was somebody responsible stay crafted road to a couple weeks into the conflict. the ukraine has already one very interesting title, because i would say then once a settlement and it will be defeat, then there's going to be the, the blame game in side of you. crane who took the money. where is the money? where is this guy? it's going to be k otic, very, very chaotic. c i n, you've already had go ahead and get a body. has the senior officials get fired for corruption by the wednesday. first of all, it has various ministers and then talk folks in the defense ministry getting fired for corruption. they've taken the money to us, can account for the money,

but you can't account for the money is as billions of dollars have been misplaced. do you? and i think the other, the other critical thing is that you can't, i think, blame ukraine for this. last because we were told about all the patriarchy. we're going to defend our country. and yet, there are hundreds of thousands of young ukrainian. manuel fled the country to avoid the draft for that, recognizing they'd rather go to jail afterwards, rather than go to the front lines and die now. and with all this patriotic got pushed it, we got the propaganda that ukraine is fighting for itself. why are they having to drag 16 year old boys out of malls? why they haven't put 70 year old man on the front lines? because you praise people are wanting to fight for don bass and domestic, and mary ogles, they, they don't see any reason to fight for it. why are we fighting for it? and again, i don't think americans want our kids to fight for places that they don't even matter to the ukrainians. yes. got into the demographic crisis is horrific for ukraine. i mean, depending on who you asking ukrainians,

who always had been notorious of a bad with their statistics here. but there are some estimates that the population of ukraine now is approximately half. it was when they got its independence, that it happens very rarely, very rarely. scott as well, what we're looking at is a, is a failed state. i mean, there are been many people in russia including blood and report and we have our teacher related to ukraine is an artificial state of. but what we're looking at right now is a failed state. uh, you know, you talked about, you know, the chaos that, that will break out. and ukraine is, people are looking to blame that. but that assumes that there's going to be a, a ukrainian government that, um, a good point operates independently, i'm sorry, do you not certification means? the end of the zalinski really means the end of the ukrainian or rather the opponent. but it means the end of the constitution as it's currently configured,

it means the end of ukraine is, it's currently governed. there will be a new government in ukraine if there has to be. and i believe this government will be hand picked by the russians. and so there won't be as much chaos as you think. i think there will be a lot of retribution. i think there will be a lot of accountability. but the bottom line is ukraine as it existed in 2014 will never exist again. and i think i have an interesting conversation with a senior russian official just last week. and he basically said that ukraine has a very limited window of opportunity right now to strike a deal that won't allow you trained to have the maximum territory and sovereignty that the longer this goes on that offer will be off the table. and you'll be looking at a completely different outcome then the one that could be offered today. but either way, you train a strategically defeated and the terms of ukraine's future will be dictated by

russia not by some sort of negotiation between ukraine in the west. yeah, and steve, you know, again, auto kind of work with really, right, go ahead and type in, let me ask you got it. this guy does exactly right. that's what happens. the grain going forward. what happens to russia going forward? i mean, the, the demon is ation to ethan russia in the west and in america. how do you have a great rest of the back to the table and say okay, all is well, always forget about, you know, sections are off there. they're going to be a buddy again. how do you move that machine read back into bringing right to into the world of nations. well, well, you know, scott mc my place i, i want to be kind all 3 of us. but we will see that in our lifetime, this is a generational breach that will not be mended for a very long time. those sanctions will not come to an end, because the wes nato land cannot accept that it was wrong. okay? because of their it with their, their virtuous russians, are they, they, uh they,

they're the rule of law, the rules based or big. they can't change slightly. the only way, the only way to both the due date when it was almost out of time here. but i do have a way out for them. at least putting didn't make it to pair us. we won. steve. that's . that's exactly right. yeah. i was in the ukraine and don bass area. is that asking? i'm a uncle for the elections and your we keep hearing from again the vitamin ministration this occupied territories. look, i better to interact a couple of times. scott is as been an actual occupied territories. don't ask very helpful or not occupied. you're not seeing russian soldiers on every corner. the lies from the beginning of this need to be dealt with and the media in the western got your for you and america have blood on their hands. well with it's all because of our occupied washington. that's why we've gotten here, gentlemen, that's all the time we have a one, i think, my guess in nashville and, and delmore, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us c, r t c. and next time, remember crossed up,

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