land routes via the gulf of the dropbox and the old brushed ports known as a lot. they will incur the anger of the arab and islamic world, and they will have no defense in the future against the people's wrath. after such a major crime, there will be very significant developments among the hughes who after witnessing such a crime, will not remain silent. whoever supports the zionist entity as is being done now by the u. e. and saudi arabia, by smuggling goods and commodities that didn't arrive to the red sea via devised port in land routes to design this to entity, assisting them through intelligence, operations, logistical work, transporting supplies, immunization or militants. they will draw the wrath of the world's people in the future, and i assure you that the people will take revenge for the oppressed if the situation devolves into a complete annihilation or full displacement of the people of gaza. or in the event of attack on u. m. in any goal that serves the american and scientists entity will be a target for the people of gamma. and any place will be struck informed me,

they said he'll be all good in central wash. it has, once again come under ukrainian far, according to local authorities. russia's ministry of defense says that 10 missiles were intercepted, while one did succeed in striking a residential area. the 2 people wounded in the attack have been transported to a nearby hospital. well, one of this follows a series of attacks on the same area over christmas and new. yeah. over 2000 civilians, most i nice audio rushes and those he announced that it had prevented a number of father tara, at times by kids in the region. no response must go into a series of strikes across you quite targeting military infrastructure. meanwhile, is the inside. the basketball fans paid the respect to unexpressed for the diety, with the people of pell grant. during the game, fines held banners reading. we stand with belgrade and russia and saw the province

a while with that we all signing off. so this out and i am putting a do it for the day or associate is taking over the top. so join us to me. i'll see you soon. the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross topler. all things are considered. i am peter level. the genocidal assault on gaza has made itself felt in a variety of ways in terms of geo politics,

united states and israel stand together virtually alone and isolated the complex cuz also seen the rise of extreme censorship all across the western world criticizing israel and sign is and has become essentially a criminal act, so called western values are now meaningless. the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess rein, mcgovern in raleigh is a former c. i a analyst in seattle. we have ramsey my route. he is a power spinning officer and journalist and in new york we crossed to line on the as a legal and media analyst or a gentleman cross type rules and the fact that means you can jump into one and i always appreciated pilot start with ray and i'm in raleigh. we we have this phrase . it's often use. it's called the writing on the wall. and it comes from the book

of david. and i would submit to all of you and our viewers that we see the writing on the wall. we see what is going on. no, it's up to you how you interpreted and react to it. but you will be just by what we all see on the wall on it. i don't want to go into high perfectly here, but if you don't want to see the writing on the wall, then you're lying to yourself, which is the ultimate send. right? you're lying to yourself or you're a completely delusional and thinking that the us is completely all powerful, as it used to be, the king bosses are. and the hebrew scriptures as got really worried about things. and there was hardly the handwriting on the wall. i have quite a dar printer, you've got all his expertise, he's got all of the video, kind of and everything and the zip code. can you tell me what this means? only daniel could only so you're a travel,

the king bosses your k number is about to go. so i think you're right in quoting that what we have here is the application both to ukraine and now 2 guys, a as well. the head right is on the wall. the only problem is that in those days there were no nuclear weapons that you know, ramsey, 1st of all techniques, now getting up so early in the morning for us until by and he said he's an odd politician if that's an understatement. he admits that there is excessive, indiscriminate bombing going on. these re lease or indiscriminately bombing causes . physic ministration has admitted this, but it continues to fund it, so he is complicit. this is just as much of his war as it is nothing yahoo! and he has to own it because of the history is going to judge him very, very badly. because the phrase jennifer genocide,

joe doesn't come out of being here, ramsey. absolutely. i mean we cause often link, so it's an american president's to um, to southern confusion. so the horse, so we say this is uh, this is bush, is laura, this is uh, uh, obama, as war but to this is going to go down in history as vines as war. and uh, in fact, the time conclusive, i think it's a lot more than complicit. yeah, it is directly involved in this war. it's remember that from the very, very 1st day you had the last some emptiness making. secretary of state, heading to tel aviv sitting in the war council meeting. declaring that this is that as well, how to know and mobilizing international support in order this was on behalf of as well. so the americans were not trying to hide it. we don't really need to know much what's going on based on various of this be the self worth 10 of us. not only

this is the war that they did not want to want to stop when the entire international community continue to hold for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. declaring, you know, is it not by then? and he's still core say no, carry on. how much gonna win is what l must emerge when or into is more because he understood it. likely that defeats his will, would be as it be, wash something in the middle east. the best way you can only continue to defend finance a. so for the war i thought this day, well no matter how this ends, israel is lost, it is lost on so many different levels. and we will, i want to talk about the day after i find new, quite odious, the they to israel and the americans are talking about the day after when they objectified palestinians. you'll again, let me go to you. joe finally said,

you said many times be sent recently that i am a scientist. no, i know americans are not very well educated this though they're better now than they've ever been before. and i'm very happy about that. but i know that's something that the is really political elite wants to be here. i don't think americans necessarily understand what that means. but is, is ramsey is already pointed out. the global south knows exactly what it means. again, complicit libel. the words here are never ever said by accident i, we've talked very tired. i'm a lawyer by profession in words. mean something. statutes means something. the particular expression of something. i mean, also, if i could say something before, i forget, you know, you always hear people say you never take antibiotics successively because what you're going to do is you're going to create antibiotic resistant. springs of new things you never thought were there. we have completely up to skate and we have

ruined the terms. zion is edgy, semitism, apartheid genocide, ethnic cleansing, c international law, the un, nobody knows anything. and one more thing i have been doing this, i have been a listen to this, a professional called talk to a person for 35 years and up till now. something happened number one was always think say whatever you want, but when you use the word is real in any so you better never be or, or, or, or verify or beer from the official narrative. that's number one. number 2, something happened, the something is different. now versus october the 7 years ago, but we had the intifada one that divided 2 americans were like, all those, those crazy middle easterners look at the way they do it. i'm telling you they'll never be peace there any way. they'll figure it out. this change, i don't know what it is, the calculus of change. why does different social media? who knows? but what i'm saying is america in american politics are living in oblivion. if you watch fox news, you will swear you will say, what is the big deal. meanwhile,

the rest of the world, i don't want to stay cloud schwab but, but the great reset is upon us. but this reset, this put it this way, this pendulum is going to come back like a wrecking ball. everything is changed now, whatever the narrative was 510 years ago, it's all over with. so get ready. embrace yourself. right? you martin government for a long time. you actually brief president's of the united states. so, you know, you were in the belly of the beast as it were. how do we get to this point? okay, because it always hasn't been this way. i mean, when, when joe buying right after october, 7th, flew to israel to give a bear hug to the most popular man in the history of the state of israel. i mean, did these people have any strategy? they have any idea how they look to the rest of the world. i don't think they do. i don't think our president is fully accomplished meant just as having been said,

this has been going on for a very long time. in the eighty's, for example, when you saw the stress on that. so the colonial session that was going into the west bank and elsewhere, it was clear were isabel, we had photos of it up to goods though and yet no word would touch it. no one, even those with the integrity like separate char, george schultz. they couldn't touch it. now, after the attack on iraq, general brent scowcroft to it had been national security adviser was good on a real estate post as head of the foreign intelligence board for younger bush. he said something to the financial times and it was this ariel sharon has, are present, mesmerized. he has a president wrapped around his little finger, 2001 this your yahoo is in the living room. what else can set you?

is you just turn that video camera off but yeah, no, no, that was okay. then he says, you don't know where it goes. my god, the so easily moved. a for sale, deliver good support is it's, i'm sure and quote that you know now will it be the same? it has been up till now will sooner hits prevail were either sadder heads. i don't know if anyone approval or except those people surrounding guys are right now, whether they will tolerate much more of this carnage much more of this genocide. and it is a text book page of genocide. yes. and this is the, the ultimate conclusion of design is something that's a bit, this is, was so easily predictable. you know, ramsey um, obviously, uh, being in the media like like a line. oh, i talked to a lot of people and i talked to no graduate student friend. and um, you know,

i mentioned, he said, yeah, it's a so complicated and it's just such a longstanding, complex. and i said, well, no, it's actually not longstanding, and it can be solved. that's called the end of the occupation. and he said, what, occupation? this guy has a ph. d in history. this is what we're up against, ramsey. you know, why is this the case? why is it so that will educate the americans are completely uninformed or what is happening in palestine at the moment? well, you know, i've traveled, you know, across the global south, many, many countries i've been to over 50 countries from africa to south america, so asian elsewhere. and yet the average person seems to be well educated. the highest on even general impressions are out of sight. are far greater than the maximum knowledge that americans have, and that's where the american media comes in. i mean, these guys are going to go round the clock 247 yet somehow you will watch cnn watch

fox. you're watching a m s a, b, c. and you kind of leave with the impression that you know a lot less then you began with the challenging to know this is why there's a major change that is happening level. that's the one that's already are. but yes, the major change that is happening is that you have so many alternative platforms venue voices in for the one source. and we are in one way or another using social is using american. we just want the, we are, has 3 main stream media on how to start doing that one's more time to catch up with us now. and that's really the major change that has happened in this particular. we're not, that's what else for. but again, there is no longer working is that is what was the problem again, that is, i shouldn't be in charge. well, if it runs, if i can stay with you, i mean the 1st of all, every one of my what my audience knowing my guess and now that is i know so much about the conflict and palestine because of our guest ramsey, i read everything to the ever writes everything,

let me comes out very often an anti war dot com, which is i'm very thankful for that. but, you know, one of the things it's very important to, to point out is that there is a change of consciousness right now, because it's really hot, right? it's, it's really sloppy now, or maybe i just began to notice, go ahead. it's does sloppy now, but the theory that i read strongly in is that it's always been sloppy and just we just did not exist on the other side of the composition. whatever that is, what you just said, this is why we can be the bible. this is why we bombed the baptist hospital and ship up. this is why we do the things we do. will it know what is that to say your role and to expose you after the set, the videos that you produce, pay, what are the allies and what are the tools are? well, you'll get, you're going to get to get away with slightly trying to demand some of the information for the have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break,

we'll continue our discussion on policy. i'd stay with our team. the welcome that's across stuff were all things are considered. i'm futile. bill, this is the home addition your mind you were discussing palestine the okay, let's go back to lydell in new york. and i know as you well know, i've been out of united states for a long time. and so maybe you can explain something that has happened since i left . apparently there's rapid anti semitism in the united states, which i,

when i left, i wasn't aware that that was the case. so what happened of it's been a long time. i'm going to agree with that, but you know, i turned on the news and it looks like, you know, they're, they're just hit the country's been taken over by unnamed of faceless nazis go ahead. it was funny. you say that and the selective use of the term nazi, if you were to mention that, for example, in ukraine, if i were to talk about the as a battalion or the right sector. and i make this difference is one of these terms of art. and i don't know if you gentlemen have been following this absolute distraction, but as you know, in some of our ivy league schools, some of the presidents of the school have said that before we provide the blanket prohibition again, speech at a university, there has to be something in terms called context that we have other members of congress as, as are you saying that genocide is kind of like know, this is in genocide, it's the use of the term genocide. so what's happening is, as,

as, as i mentioned before, the word anti semitism and anti zionism and anti israel have become somehow amalgamated into the big globule of confusion. and because it's been you so much like in our country, the word racism, everything is racism, sexism is another, is a. so in the meantime, you have this world right now and let me just say, just one, say the trick that people need to do what i've been studying communication and obfuscation, said post co vetted particular. russo full be a grumbling, but you name it, you stick to a particular narrative. and one of the things you say is simply this. this could be sam handle very simply. once we get rid of an isolated from us, now it stop right there. what does that even mean or we will do this so long as the palestinians do not like to much. so the question though is, how do we tell somebody home to a like 1st of all, we say you have to have elections there. we say you have an election, but you can't elect these people. so what's happening?

most americans, i'm sorry to say, and this may, i may be the ultimate uh, ugly american. but there seems to be this almost an infantile lism. this man a he in less than right, good or bad, evil back and that's it. don't complicate me. just tell me who's the bad guy because i've got to move on and then that will watch sports or whatever it is. so when it comes to confusion, this is the epicenter of confusion, right? jump it. i think lionel is completely right, is, is zionism and anti semitism had been cut inflated by act of congress together. and the worst thing is that even the good reporters and they're really only home, back before iraq, jonathan land, a and warren struggle with knight ridder. they've got it right on weapons of mass destruction. land is worker for writers. robles work

better for the wash, the wall street journal, this spinning propaganda about the russian is losing 90 percent of the troops in the career. and i mean, you know, it was a good guys need to earn a living, i guess. but i don't experience that certainly they can come with us and tell ultras. yeah. and there's a, there, a few heroes out there. um, but uh, you know, i, i want to, i want to, i don't want to be so pessimistic and i'm so hardened by the fact that people that are challenging this and it's causing a lot of turbulence here. but you know, ramsey, you know, one of the things we just want to make very clear to our viewers. there's a mouse has to be destroyed. well, on the face of it, that can be debated, obviously. but it's, it's a code for ethnic cleansing and the mainstream media and the political lead. are 100 percent 100. no, we just wanna get rid of them us. well, the only way you're going to do that is completely cleanse and commit

a genocide against 2200000 people and it is in train. you know? oh, that's a lot possible. you're exactly know what's happening. everyone is happening. the boss has to be destroyed. indeed, is it code peter? and we need to, the code is why didn't have time, you know, emphasized, for example, from the very beginning to this day. how mass is isis? how much is a either? what's he mean by that is that there was only one way to deal with the terrorist devices in india, walker and syria. and that's to eradicate them to push them out. people, one buses, the car and, and elsewhere and just pushed out of the country somewhere. and that doesn't, we don't know, we don't care whether you go, he still was, if you could actually create that scenario. how mazda and there's some autism god. but it's different from us, like it was. he is a national liberation movement. that's a great we didn't define boundaries, they don't want to clearly fate. they don't want to do over other countries. they

want do they provide their own countries? and they called us typically make references to international law is unbelievable. how often have as mix references to international law and how complete the absence, the elements of law and international law firm is what people because this course, this is dangerous because the american sport and so the french for some reason important. so along with the drum, as the british and the everybody got excited about, the idea will be right with you to come up with the larger, meaningful dot is that we need to you as a good time us, if anybody will support from us any particular context of social context will come up, therefore we need to destroy the city of people in gauze. athena simple. a don't a line. well, and that is that's a message that is like, is not being received in the, in america. you know, what i'm saying is absolutely right. line or is it, it's really quite interesting if you, if you watch international media, even state media around the world, there is very,

very often references as the international law because that is what gives countries protection when you grow up in america, in some degree, in the u k. um international laws only can be new. we mentioned when it works for you. other than that, we're right, we're virtuous people, so we're going to do what we're going to do. and it's very interesting is that people have resistance moments. it's one of the only tools that they have against the powerful is international law. and obviously with your own eyes, you can watch the it was about the video coming out of counseling is like that is an evaluation of, of the international, international humanitarian. well, i don't know what is, well, you know, what's funny if, if, if you held up, if you gave the scenarios to students law students, international law, and you just cover to be said country a did the following or hold up an x ray, ahold of a lab result to do what is this pregnant, dead, broken leg. that's the way most people think of of law is if you do this, it is a, it is

a violation. let me go back and i'm glad we brought up 911. i learned these wonderful images, for example, the better to fight them there than here. oh them oh. and the smoking gun could be a could be a mushroom cloud. oh them. and they also said there hasn't been a $911.00 since $911.00. there hasn't been a world what. what does that mean? there hasn't been a world where jews is what we're doing. and what happens is when you're very good to semantics and you play this and you act like terrorism is identified, but like evil, evil, we're going to stop able to access of evil. and you use terrorism as to how much is a place or, or anybody's waste. and also one more thing, relative to the people, ask japan, what they thought about, you know, the no, le gay. and they wouldn't have a different version of the dropping of the atomic bombs versus us. we lot we apply . those are our troops, but we never can put ourselves in the position of somebody else. because very luckily,

the only thing we've had on our soul now soil rather not what is 911. and that is in no way enable us to really comment on what people around the world are, are feeling and existing every single day. we have been lucky by virtue of our democracy, of our geography, which is another thing americans know nothing about is that where anything is. yeah, you know, right. i leave, i guess really, prime minister said the, you know, on october 7th, israel experience multiple 911. okay. fine that, you know, baseline was saying like maybe that's one of your interpretations, but i would record in any journalist worth their salt would say. so how many? 911. how does the people of god so that experience since that day? see they, they, there's this policy in the us are not people. it's not a place. it's just a problem. it's not on, you know, and if it is like someone else solve it will. but we'll pay for it. there's so much power this, when it comes to that, you know,

i had all to my life online. it was already mentioned, you know, you didn't have to tip toe around, know, speak truth is truthful, gives you justice, right? i think the there are bright lights here, and that is the fact that they use in this country. they all have these. i phone, see i phones are the latest technology and they can cause revolutions. okay. they care about the telegraph way back a century ago. the think about the tape recorder, where all of a was taping is sherman, that came from all a mental reps. and if that, what is revolution? now we have the i phones, young people in our country are being affected by the photos by the video. it's coming out of out of gas i. now i think that there is a reason for a whole that those kids, they can't go on forever. and my only my only fear is that the surrounding country

is around the palestine. as we are the arab countries and also turkey and iran, how long can a hole back their own populations? many of them are policy is how long could they escape it forever and not go in and stop the carnage? stop the jealous, i don't know the answer to that arrives. he probably does. but i'd like to hear his views on that. yeah, i'm seeing, you know, you know, we have 2 western tablets. anthony, blinking is talking about with the day after and he's going to consult with that. yeah. but the day after, well, when did it tell us because it would have given the chance to say this is what we want. that's never there. and maybe you have the of the occupation and then that can give breathing room and in variety, and discussion and new ones. but they will never be that if the company a, if the occupation continues too much on policies. what's that mean? is this going to end piece sort of thinking about the middle east and about the

world? in fact, what worked so in, in the early ninety's would work in 2003 would work in gaza today. but it's not true at all. what will happen in the day after is going to be determined by the people that goes on by the palestinian people themselves, as would be determined by the other nations that are why is it in sort of attitude with gauze? i mean people off with often and they showed what are the art nations, how come they are not standing up for their brother in laws. and as a is actually the all, if you don't what's happening in, in live in on what's happening you up, what's happening in the human. and else where they are, there is a view, middle east identity that is being formulated. this is going to hunt american administration for a very long time, but the after in gaza is a, with a b, c, my, the fighting issue here by this that's passed mr. over for me, the people involved. and what is the thing that is happening outside the school of

american control in palestine or to the middle east? right gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we've run out of time. fascinating discussion. what i think my guess in raleigh, seattle, and in new york. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. ok . so you next time. remember russ knuckles, the, the,

the, the headlines on off the international b is riley, defense minister. floats up, post world plan for gaza, including get this full military control over the english protests in iraq because the government warns of a dangerous escalation. it's old and respondents to the killing of a high ranking militia come on during the us as striking, central baghdad. the who it's a movement painting responsibility for an attack on a cargo ship in the red sea, an official of the group saying that they are targeting old ships a thing. and the best thing is really actions in gaza. the many armed forces target is really ships and ships heading to supply these really entities with goods,