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refresh planes of another genocide as tens of thousands of ethnic armenians flattened, the guard or car box in mid september to the armenian population. this region is called arc soc flareups between our median forces and a very military have cropped up since the fall of the soviet union in 1991 and whatever you choose to call it. this region is internationally recognized as within azerbaijan, borders, although the armenian locals had been pushing for an independent republic for years . so joining us to break it all down is kind of work out in mass, and he is an award winning, middle east commentator. he's the founder of seriana analysis and independent syrian news platform. he's been covering the latest military and diplomatic clash over they're going to car box on his new site. so can work. it's been a few years since, you know, dramatic and deadly fighting has happened in the corner of car box roughly 3 years

ago. if i recall correctly. what happened exactly the disruptive the piece since the end of the excess hosted it is in the late 2020, there was a ceasefire agreements brokered by russia between not going to cut off of sauce though. i mean, its quality parts us and the other page on the site. however, this a ceasefire was all the time. it was not so strong, cease fire, in my opinion, because there was so many components in the agreements that hasn't been discussed between armenia and azerbaijan. one of which was the, the, the who owns defend regions in ourselves and from the army and side, according to the history. there were different presidents and different data shapes who are working on keeping some of the regions in arts off that are populated by the armenians around 90 to 95 percent of these regions were populated by the

armenians, and he started to this regions belong to the armenians, however, the, as a bitch on his sides was also very determined to capture these territories and keep out the indigenous people from this region saying that this region belongs to as a bridge. and so there was a, this conflict of, let's say to the target conflict between the both sides. but the administration in you have on it seems that when they signed the treaty in 2020, they have also put their signature on a document that gives us a bitch on the legal right to off ownership over the started stories, which means the as a badge on the side of sacked, it's to claim that if you have it on the government, then you have on have signed a treaty, a document that says that these territories belong to a badge on. then we have to conquer, distribute the reason if you don't want to give this territories to us to diplomatic means or actual negotiations,

then we have to concur it to me literally means and what i was a bit, john is deep. they started in late december 2022 to book a today impose a be located on our task, actually the launching corridor. so for those who don't know, the large inquiry adult is the only corporate the left between armenia and not going to cut off to which the people who received their basic necessities from fluids, from medicine, from a school of products, everything including energy. so what happened is i was a bit, john at the beginning, they claimed that the, they are there for environmental reasons. they send environmental activists quote unquote. and they blocked the dyslexia inquiry. dorks aiming that armina is polluting the environment there and they are planting bombs on the both sides of the electric inquiry. the so this was a state orchestrated demonstrations. they blocked this corporate board,

which means that the people's where to start $120000.00 armenians in not going to cut off. they lost their lifeline. they don't have any supply of let's say food and medicine and other basic necessities. so they were, they have starved after 8 to 9 months, they couldn't, let's say, resist more without food. and all these basic necessities. and when the people in not going to come up, a 120000 people reach to a point of starvation, azerbaijan waged military campaign. and they help, okay, pied every inch of not going to cut off, including all the areas that belong to the armenians that are populated by the armenians are going to be on the side. claim that the people who live there, meaning it make our maintenance come states and they don't have to go to armenia. but the footage that we watched from on the ground in not going to cut up ah, show clearly that the forces off as a bitch on they have committed lots of crimes. and i myself, call me

a document that these are crimes, including the computations, including the body motivations, including rape and lots of crime, so that the armenians would see for their lives and go to it on or to our media. and what happened is now that 120000 people like a big exodus, they were forcibly displaced from their homes and from their towns, and they are now researchers in armenia. and unfortunately speaking, the armenian government also hidden by pushing young people in to understand that there is the position of the armenians and then you have the position of the government, the government, the no, i mean you have doesn't necessarily represent the aspirations or the opinion of the people, because of political reasons, we can discuss that later. but pushing on governments, they said that there is no atrocities the major atrocities happening against the armenians. there again as a bridge on use these statements and say if you're government say that they don't

know, i trust it is. then why would eugene that we what we are forcibly displacing you? and finding enough, only a few days before the un mission monitors who came to not going to cut off to check uh, what's happening there. the as a government id, imagine they donated a $1000000.00 to the u. n. and do you in a mission when they arrived in the empty cities and towns of not going to kind of uh, they said that they couldn't find violations of human rights there. so there are corruption on different layers, international corruption, and also corruption on the political level in the are among the, in the armenian government. and also a criminal mindset, in my opinion, from the as a bit johnny side, which is based on ethnic cleansing of the armenians from their, from their home towns. just like what's happened, a drink, what? one, when the ultimate need 5, committed. similar,

if you just crimes against the armenians back then the difference this time is that as a very john is a backed by turkey. and also so many regional and international powers who have given green lights to as of age on to commit this ethnic cleansing against armenians. all right, so like many other regions or, or on claims in various parts of the world, there have been frozen, conflicts over land. what makes this one different than other territorial disputes? what makes the only difference in my opinion, between this conflict in order to reach one of the conflicts is history. armenians live truly genocide. they paid one and a half 1000000 victims during the ethnic cleansing of the autumn, an empire against them. so they have always this, they have a devil of this, a bible instincts and survive and make on his ends in order to continue their

presence individual. what's happened is that window armina is found and unfortunately, due to create, to 1st capture their territory. and secondly, to create the buffers on between as a big jump and armenia, they have taken this opportunity and they have created the buffers, which means not one of the is not only an armenian territory, but also it's a buffer zone between armine a proper and also have vision, and once the armenians last not going to cut off the other bitch on the as a be johnny side has no. there is no obstacles now in front of us have agent to advance inside proper. i mean, and this is, we can see this statement, we can learn from the statements of the if he says clearly that you have on sony 7. those who are internationally recognized as our menu interrogatories. he says, those are all gonna be $30.00, and we were going to concur distributors. so what steps now are the,

from concluding distributors, nothing because one, the armenians lost their i, russia. i mean, i'm still part of the c s t o, but because the armenians are having are pursuing a hostile relationship toward, let's say, the government, the united media is personally engleside relationship towards russia. the russians are coming for have to, i mean, you, secondly, the, all the hills and all the regions that surrounding these areas that audio says they are, as they have their utilities. pushing young, gave up distributors voluntarily. not even without fight to ideas to as a badge on, which means now as a vision has even the advantage of the geographic, it advantage of the hills to be able to foot down on these time. your thought is that the claim is that it's already so in my opinion, the armenians in the next period they would face with

a very serious challenge of survival. because in my opinion, the us, every side we different at the attack, sneak, which is as the south side of region of armenia in order to force armenia to open a trade that out. they quoted the corporate door between us a, be john and took e. and once this route is open, in my opinion this, we also try to in the interest of russia and the interest of you them and also the interest of armenia, any geographical connectivity between 2 to kick nations. it would in bolden pen to to, to do i need some it to it in bolden, didn't you ultimately the sentiments again and in my opinion, the nato countries, we use these to turkey, which is a natural natal member country to extend their info laws to the causes and to the caspian sea to do so out they will, the,

the are pain side. they are completely for opening. this are all the american side, our community for opening new spots. and even the russians are for opening this route. but for different reasons. the only part of that is against opening is about now, is it on and unfortunately, the armenians side, the government, you know, i mean, you know, they are not trying to pursue friendly relationship, even with the, you know, they put all their baskets in all their eggs in the baskets of the west, and in my opinion, this is a suicide of policy from depression insight. yeah, that's pretty provocative language by i, lia, the right coming up next. could this latest battle and they're going to car a bar, could force to nato allies into opposing sides, or will these 2 powers be able to broker piece will discuss the role of the us and turkey when we return with come work on last in. sit tight, the m o will be right back, the the,

[000:00:00;00] the the welcome back to the m. o. i am the miller chan, middle east analyst and caucus region expert come work on my ceiling is back with us. so kind of work. this territory gets kind of murky when it comes to foreign alliances. i mean, traditionally, russia has been known to assist armenia, while turkey backs are the other by john. but then enter the u. s. nicole passion

you on the armenian p. m. seems to be leaning towards the west in this new flare up, but it gets complicated because turkey and the us are both nato members. so theoretically, this could put the us and russia on the same side of the fight. what do you make of this mix up of bedfellows? the only difference is that, i mean, there is no more and all i are pressure. armenia has rectified the almost out to the statute, which means that if flipped the president put in a tries to visit armenia, armenia is legally now binded to arrest blocking it puts in, which is something very funny that the country like, i mean, yeah, tries to do something like this, if we see the statements of south african leaders or in brazil or elsewhere, everybody makes a mockery of the ice. he sees a decision to arrest, putting right or to charge him with the alleged war crimes and crimes against

humanity. but the medium size is it's, it's, it's going co gets reassigned to there is no excuse to antagonize the pressure. you can have good relationship with the european union. you can join the association agreements with the opinion and you can join with the create their agreements with the natal side without targeting icing restaurant. what's happening is nowadays that armenia is on uh, under pressure and yeah, and they have on target and especially and to extend that the russians say, what can we do about it? now we have good relationship with other page on. we have secured our as a jewel political interest in this house and co causes. so as i mentioned, we have also secured our energy interest. our companies are working, running as a bridge on then why do we need the armenia rent? i mean, is, or, i mean, yeah, if the army knows we're not to once us, why do we, why do we have to run after the armenians right in this regard? because at the end of the day, we're not talking about the family relationship between a brother and,

and the father. this is all it takes. and if the armenians want under pushing on to and talk about as i shop, then the russians should also look for alternatives. for them in the region, and they have found it also in azerbaijan, the relationship between as a bridge and, and russia is very good, in my opinion, are likely to armenia that i want to give a little bit of a historical context here. azerbaijan tried to capture this territory multiple times. i'm not going to cut the last one before pushing it was in 2016 when search circuit sound was the president of armenia. and everybody has to know that the arguments and heavy arguments and everything that i mean you has to defend itself is from russia. the webinar b is also the offensive me size and technology from russia. and in 2016 when i was a bitch on try to come curtis territory, the armenians were such that they have successfully repaired to attack because one,

they were willing to use the weapons that supplied them. and 2nd, they had good diplomatic security relationship, both with the restaurant and with the west. this is the thing that you always have to create the balance in, in your diplomatic relationship and not to and target. and i as a very important factor in the regents under pushing and pushing and, and start going eyes that i show for us when he came to power. he kicked out and uh, and she was sent to jail lots of military and security. the officials who played an instrumental in protecting access from other pitch on and dos where they had a good relationship with the restaurant. so it was, i mean, yeah, which initiated on depression. you have to unplug on as a restaurant and not the other way around. and know what happened in 2020 is that when the color problem was attacked and actually things came for help. this time to, i mean, you know which armenians desperately need. therefore, it's

a long calculations and wrong decisions and wrong, in my opinion. um, mistakes that the, the armenian side has done in, in the past few years, which led to this catastrophe situation that we were living today in armenia and also a knuckle. and i caught up in early october, pushing young flew to spain for tox, hosted by the you. the, a very president, ill home aaliyah, reportedly withdrew his rsvp at the very last minute. now this would have been an opportunity for peace talks on a multi lateral scale leaders of france, germany, armenia, and azerbaijan. and the you council president charles michelle, pushing me on told media that he was ready to assign a so called break through deal. what's your read on the outcome of this? you brokered event and and y l e of dropped out historically in the past 2 decades, there was several attempts to booker

a deal to break at the end between armenia and as i met john, they will defend to europe. and congress involves america united states, and also russia. this time, this meeting was exclusively hold by the european and american side. did the exclusive depression are completely, in my opinion, you cannot exclude special from the court because it's joe graphically impossible. it's like isolating through united states from mexico or from, from canada. geographically speaking, those things doesn't make any sense. right. what's happened is that person, yeah. and wanted to give credit for any sort of agreement that could be a, that he may strike with as a badge on to the europeans after the americans and, and exclude the russians completely from dislike. i'm not defending rush trying to see god. i'm just saying that there is an important actor course of player with great influence in the region that is excluded from this negotiations. and that doesn't make any sense to me. if you want to strike

a deal and you want to be able to disagree with the architecture that can protect the armenian silver entity, and also i want to pave the way for diplomatic relationship with as of age on, et cetera. you have to bring also all the players in the region, right. like, you know, for example, excluded from this. i mean, what has jim many has to do, induce negotiations or friends, cross out great britain, or the nice is they're far away from this region. they don't have direct presence in this region. i like it on and on like russia, for example. they also decided to be true because they claim that the friends is biased toward to, towards armenia. and in my opinion, that's completely false because the of the insides, they have very close relationship with other page on the buying guys and or from other badge on. and they are striking deals after deals true to you and commission . we as a mitch on the problem is on the as

a side that france rejects categorically the occupation of as a be john to at potential occupation if as of age on of any territories inside farm media proper for example. and so, nick, reaching my opinion, the idea of use preparing for any invasion insights and armenia. so friends here, now he's sending the defense, if track some empty piece for the armenians in this area, and also be on the seas that as a, into a few events in the, in this conflicts oh, the as of age on these receiving with any, from all the sites they receive a weapons from the united states, direct minutes or 8 from united states. they receive weapons from its rental data. simple have been from restaurant, they receive weapons on every way. but when armenians receive, and this type of identity to defend themselves reduce, this will be then. but the question young, i see you in a lot, you release signed an agreement, and he recognized the or,

or accepted the attributes on the quote unquote integrity of azerbaijan. which means pushing man has completely abandoned not going to kind of assigned on a paper which gave legally divides for as a big jump to occupied this area. we don't even as it is even even attended. so i want for the people to understand, to what extent the administration, you know, i mean, is corrupted, that they are ready to sign the treaty with someone that someone is not there. they've not even present in this new york location. so they use an electron, are they gave up on territory as to, as a bridge on for an exchange of what for this is david question. up until this moment, armenians are only losing losing politically, losing financially using uh, geographically and everything. not getting anything in return, so i think the window armenians cause pushing you on

a traitor. they have all the rights to describe him in that way because the, the duty of any leader is to care and take care of the, in the interests of their own people. before thinking about what the french or the americans or the russians would expect from you, and you my opinions, the meanest expect from pushing in to protect them, protect their interests, and also protect the territories which pressing on. it seems he's not ready to do so. wow, okay, so things pushing on just rolled over and seated art socket. sounds like so final thoughts here on, on where this might all lead. do you foresee any lasting piece here? how well, thank you wes, way in on this matter. so i don't see that the piece would prevails in the agent any time soon. i do believe that as a bitch on and tricky, they still have

a lot in their hands to to reach and to a for example, they want to open this corner door between lucky chip on and as a bitch on which practically means between truck and also a bridge on it and they're going to the ritual force. they're going to attack solver and arming antennae. toby, as they will construct this without force forcibly, uh and uh, fetching and really not to be able to do anything. because as i mentioned to you over the last his allies in the region who are ready to at least diplomatically wait in and try to stop the invasion of the as of age on the side. because under c, s, t, or the csp, or has the obligation to protect armenia, but it might open an in the next few weeks. we would see that the pushing on would withdrawal from the c s. u. and he was tried deals with the american side. but the americans, i'm not going to weigh in because they have also the interesting opening. these are out between us that you have on. and we as a page on because people need to understand the trick you. despite this differences

between knights, if it's still a natural country, and america sees trinity as an important player in the region and truly do sit out and they want to extend their influence to the caspian sea and to extended produce a central asian central asian congress. because i could stop took, it, took manage time to punch it gets done. and this is the sanction borders of restaurant, which means computing restaurant in from us there. and also tried to destabilize the go down to initiative there, which also passes towards this, this region. so i think the next big conflicts are going to happen in central asia, unfortunately, and we're not going to see um, peace and security anytime soon. because until the formation of the month i boulevard, we will see that the americans are, we'll try to defend to the new polar work order in order to fix the reserves. they're huge and monique status,

but the history have is history told us something that all the empires come and go and a pastoral long circle. and in my opinion of the americans can. let's a slow down the crumbling of the you and your puller words, but they cannot stop it. and i think the chinese unto your brushing alliance will bring an end to it. it's just a matter of time. and we only have to see when is this going to happen, where during a decade or 2 or 3? my estimates that we will see arise of mazda full of words, you know, short of time that we expect or dependents expect, could work on life and always appreciate your insight on this region of the world. thank you so much for being with us. you can find more from come work at seriana dash analysis dot com or alright, that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that takes deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host, noah. cham thank you so much for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o

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