another in genocide as tens of thousands of ethnic armenians flattened, the guard or car box in mid september to the armenian population. this region is called art soc flareups between armenia and forces and a very military have cropped up since the fall of the soviet union in 1991 and whatever you choose to call it. this region is internationally recognized as within azerbaijan, borders, although the armenian locals had been pushing for an independent republic for years . so joining us to break it all down is kind of work out in mass, and he is an award winning, middle east commentator. he's the founder of seriana analysis and independent syrian news platform. he's been covering the latest military and diplomatic clash over the board. no car lock on his new site. so can work. it's been a few years since you know, dramatic and deadly fighting has happened in a world car voc, roughly 3 years ago if i recall correctly. what happened exactly the disruptive the

piece since the end of the excess hosted it is in the late 2020. there was a ceasefire agreements brokered by russia between not going or caught up outside the. i mean, in school it starts us and the other page on your site, however it is a ceasefire, was all the time. it was a not so strong ceasefire, in my opinion, because there was so many components into agreements that hasn't been discussed between armenia and azerbaijan. one of which was the, the, the who owns different regions in our sauce. and from the army and side, according to the history. there were different presidents and different data shapes who are gene on keeping some of the regions in arch soft that are populated by the armenians around 90 to 95 percent of these regions were popular did by the

armenians. and he started this visions belong with armenians. however, as a bitch on his sides was also very determined to capture disturbing stories and keep out the indigenous people from this region saying that this region belongs to as a vision. so there was a, this conflict of, let's say to the target conflict between the both sides. but the administration in us on it seems that when they signed the treaty in 2020, they have also put their signature on a document that gives us a bitch on the legal right. to offer ownership over do started stories, which means the as a badge on the side of sacked, it's to claim that if you have it on the government, then you have on have signed a treaty, a document that says that these territories belong to as a badge on then we have to concur distribute stories and if you don't want to give this territories to us to diplomatic means or actual negotiations, then we have to concur it to me literally means. and what i was a bit,

john is deep. they started in late december 2022 to book a today in pose a be located on our task actually with the large inquiry don't. so for those who don't know, the large inquiry adult is the only corporate the left between armenia and not going to cut off to which the people who received their basic necessities from fluids, from medicine, from a school of products, everything including energy. so what happened is i was a bit, john at the beginning, they claimed that they are there for environmental reasons. they send environmental activists quote unquote. and they blocked the dislodging corporate or claiming that armina is polluting the environment there. and they are planting bombs on the both sides of the electric inquiry. the so this was the state orchestrated demonstrations. they've looked this corporate board which means that the people's where to start $120000.00 armenians in not going to cut off out. they lost their

lifeline. they don't have any supply of let's say food and medicine and under basic necessity. so they were, they have start after 8 to 9 months. they couldn't, let's say resist more without food and all these basic necessities. and when the people in are going to cut up a $120000.00 people, each to a point of starvation, azerbaijan waged military campaign. and they help, okay, pied every inch of not going to cut off, including all the areas that belong to the armenians that are populated by the armenians are going to be on the side. claim that the people who live there, meaning ethnic our maintenance can stay and they don't have to go to armenia. but the footage that we watched from on the ground in not going to cut off all show clearly that the forces off as a bitch on they have committed lots of crimes. and i, myself comment,

documented these crimes including the computations, including the body motivations, including rape and lots of crime, so that the armenians would see for their lives and go to it on or to our media. and what's happened is now that 120000 people like a big exodus, they were forcibly displaced from their homes and from their towns, and they are now researchers in armenia. and unfortunately speaking, the armenian government also headed by pushing young people in to understand that there is the position of the armenians. and then you have the position of the government, the government, the non media doesn't necessarily represent the aspirations or the opinion of the people. because of political reasons, we can discuss that later. but pushing on governments, they said that there is no atrocities, major atrocities happening against the armenians. there again, as a bitch on use these statements and say, if you're government, say that they don't know our trust, it is, then why would you change that?

we, we are forcibly just basing your and finding enough only a few days before the un mission monitors who came to not going to cut off to check what's happening there. as the, as a government are the of a gym, they donated a $1000000.00 to the u. n. and the un mission, when they arrived in the empty cities and towns of not going to kind of, uh, they said that they couldn't find violations of human rights there. so there are corruption on different layers, international corruption and also corruption on the political level in the are among the are in the army and government and also a criminal mindset. in my opinion, some of the other big johnny side, which is based on ethnic cleansing of, to armenians from their, from their home towns just like what's happened, drink what one, when the auto money 5 committed. similar,

if you just crimes against the armenians back then the difference this time is that as a very john is a backed by turkey. and the also so many regional and international powers who have given green lights to as of age on to commit this ethnic cleansing against armenians. all right, so like many other regions or, or on claims in various parts of the world, there have been frozen, conflicts over land. what makes this one different than other territorial disputes? what makes the only difference in my opinion, between this conflict in order to retorted conflicts as history. armenians live to a general side. they paid ha, one and a half 1000000 victims during the ethnic cleansing of thoughts. i'm an empire against them. so they have always this, they have a devil of this, a bible instincts and survival to make on his ends in order to continue their presence individual. what's happened is that window armina is found and

unfortunately to create, to 1st capture their territory. and secondly, to create a buffer zone between azerbaijan and armenia. they have taken this unfortunate and they have created the buffers, which means are not going to go above the is not only an armenian territory, but also it's a buffer zone between armine a proper and also have vision. and once the armenians last not going to cut off the other bitch on the as a be johnny side has no, there is no obstacles now in front of us have agent to advance insight proper. i mean, and this is we can see these statements. we can learn from the statements of our lives. he says clearly that you have on sunni 7, those who are international to be copeland as our menu interrogatories. he says, those are all gonna be $30.00 and we're going to concur used to be tories. so what steps now are the from concluding just everybody's nothing because one,

the armenians lost their i, russia. i mean, i'm still part of the c s t o, but because the are maintenance are having are pursuing a hostile relationship toward let's say the government, the not media is personally engleside relationship towards russia. the russians aren't coming for have to, i mean you secondly, the, all the hills and all the regions that surrounding these areas that are the ups as they are, as they be 30 stories. pushing young, gave up distributor is born and certainly not even without fight to ideas to as a vision, which means now as a vision has even the advantage of the geographic. it advantage of the hills to be able to foot down on these territories that he can name is that it's already. so, in my opinion, the armenians in the next period they would face with a very serious challenge of survival. because in my opinion, the us,

every side we different at the attack, sneak, which is as the sauce on the region of armenia in order to force armenia to open a trade that out. they call it the corner door between us a bit, john and turkey. and once this is all, it is open. in my opinion this, we also try to in the interest of russia and the interest of yvonne and also the interest of armenia, any geographical connectivity between 2 to kick the nations, to an in bolden pen to, to, to i need some it to it. in bolden didn't you ultimately the sentiments again and in my opinion, the nato countries, we use these to turkey, which is a natural natal member country to extend their info laws to the causes and to the caspian sea to do so out. they will, the deep inside they are completely for opening this route. the american side are

complete before opening new starts and even the russians up for opening this route . but for different reasons, the only part of that is against opening is about now is eat on. and unfortunately, the armenians side, the government, you know, i mean, you know, they are not trying to pursue friendly relationship, even with the, you know, they put all their baskets in all their eggs in the basket of the west. and in my opinion, this is a suicide of policy from the pushing inside. yeah, that's a pretty provocative language by alia. all right, coming up next. could this latest battle, and they're going to car bark force to nato allies into opposing sides. or will these 2 powers be able to broker piece will discuss the role of the us and turkey when we return with come work on last in, sit tight, the m o will be right back. the

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the welcome back to the m. o. i am the miller chan, middle east analyst and caucus region expert could work on my ceiling is back with us. so kind of work. this territory gets kind of murky when it comes to for an

alliances. i mean, traditionally russia has been known to assist armenia, while turkey backs are the other by john. but the enter, the u. s. nicole fashion yon v armenian pm seems to be leaning towards the west in this new flare up. but it gets complicated because turkey and the us are both nato members. so theoretically, this could put the us and russia on the same side of the fight. what do you make of this mix up of bedfellows? the only difference is that, i mean, there is no more an ally of russia. armenia has rectified the, almost touching the statute, which means that if flipped the president putting at chives 2 visits, armenia, armenia is legally now. binded to arrest beloved them. it puts him, which is something very funny that the country like,

i mean you have tries to do something like this. if we see the statements of south african leaders or in brazil or elsewhere, everybody makes a mockery of the icy seas decision to earn as putting right or to charge him with the alleged word, crimes and crimes against humanity. but the medium size is it's, it's, it's going committed suicide. the there is no excuse to antagonize the pressure. you can have good relationship with the european union. you can join the association agreements with the b. and you know, you can join with security the agreements with the natal side without impact on isaac the restaurant. what's happening is nowadays that armenia is on a under pressure on the, on the have on target and especially, and to extend that the russians say, what can we do about it? now we have good relationship with as a page on we have secured our as a jewel political interest in this house and co cause us to as a bitch on. we have also secured our energy interest. our companies are working

rarely as a bridge on then why do we need the armenian red armenians or, i mean, yeah, if the army knows we're not want us, why do we, why do we have to run after the armenians right industry got because at the end of the day, we're not talking about the family relationship between a brother and, and the father. this is all it takes. and if the armenians want under pushing on to and talk about as i shop, then the russians that should also look for alternatives for them in the region. and they have found it also in azerbaijan. the relationship between as a bridge and, and russia is very good in my opinion, are likely to armenia. do i want to give a little bit of a historical context here as a bridge on tried to capture this territory multiple times? i'm not going to cut up the last one before pushing it was in 2016 when search suck you sound was the president of armenia. and everybody has to know that the arguments and heavy arguments and everything that i mean you has to defend itself

is from russia. the webinar b is also the offensive me size and technology from russia. and in 2016 when i was on the page on try to come curtis territory, the armenians were such that they have successfully repaired to attack because one, they were willing to use the weapons that supplied them. and 2nd, they had good diplomatic security relationship, both with the restaurant and with the west. this is the thing that you always have to create the balance in your diplomatic relationship and not to in target. and i as a very important factor in the region under pushing and pushing on and tackling eyes that i show for us when he came to power. he kicked out and uh, and she was sent to jail. lots of military and security. the officials who play the instrumental in protecting access from other pitch on and dos where they had good relationship with the restaurant. so it was, i mean, yeah, which initiated on depression. you have to and target and i the restaurant and not

the other way around. and know what happened in 2020 is that when a color problem was attacked and actually things came for help. this time to, i mean, you know which armenians desperately need. therefore, it's a long calculations and wrong decisions and wrong, in my opinion. um, mistakes that the, the armenian side has done in, in the past few years, which led to this catastrophe situation that we were living today in armenia. and also in the, in early october pushing yon flew to spain for tox, hosted by the e. u. b. a very president, it'll have a live report if we withdrew his rsvp at the very last minute. now this would have been an opportunity for peace talks on a multi lateral scale leaders of france, germany, armenia, and azerbaijan. and the you council president charles michelle, pushing me on told media that he was ready to assign

a so called breakthrough deal. what's your read on the outcome of this? you brokered event and, and why i live dropped out. historically in the past 2 decades. there was several attempts to broker a deal to break at the end between armenia and i was a vision there with the frontier up in congress, involves america united states, and also russia. this time, this meeting was exclusively uh, hold by the european on the american site. did the exclusive domestic completely. in my opinion, you cannot exclude the restaurant from the court because it's, it's your perfectly impossible. it's like isolated thing, do united states from mexico or from, from canada, geographically speaking, those things doesn't make any sense. right. what's happened is that person. yeah. and wanted to give credit for any sort of for agreement that could be that she may strike with as a badge on to the europeans after the americans and,

and exclude the russians. come 50 from decide, i'm not defending or trying to. so you've got, i'm just saying that there is an important actor, compose a player with great influence in the region that is excluded from this negotiations . and that doesn't make any sense from you. if you want to strike a deal and you want to be able to disagree with the architecture that kind of protect the armenian silver entity, and also i want to pay the way for them. i think relationship with other page on, etc. you have to bring also all the players in the region, right. like, you know, for example, excluded from this. i mean, what has jim many has to do in this negotiations are friends cross? oh, great, great to know the nice is they're far away from this region. they don't have direct presence in this region. i like it on and on like russia for example, the i was like a side to be true because they claim that the friends is biased toward to, towards armenia. and in my opinion,

that's completely false because the but the insides, they have fairly good relationship with as a bridge on their buying guys and or from other badge on. and they are striking deals after deals to the un commission. we also have which on the problem is some the as a site that france rejects categorically the occupation of as a be john to at potential occupation if as of age on of any territories inside farming you proper for example. and so nick, reaching my opinion on the, i've used preparing for many invasion instruction, armenia, so friends here, now he's sending a defense if track some empty piece for the armenians in this area. and also by john says that as a into a few minutes in the, in this conflicts or the positive edge on his receiving whip any from all the sites they receive. a weapons from united states direct committee to 8 from united states

. they receive weapons from is run david super bench from restaurant. they receive open some everywhere. but when armenians receive any type of identity to defend themselves reduced. so be then, but the question young uh, she unilaterally signed an agreement and she recalled nice to or, or accepted the attributes on the, on the quote unquote integrity of azerbaijan, which means pushing young has completely abandons, not going to kind of assigned on a paper which gave legally devise for as a bad job to occupy this area. we don't even as it isn't even even attended. so i want for the people to understand, to what extent the administration, you know, i mean, is corrupted, that they are ready to sign the treaty with someone that someone is not. they're not even present in this new york, she ation. so they, you and you're not sure they gave up until the authorities to, as a bridge on, for an exchange of what for this is david question. up until this moment,

armenians are only losing losing politically, losing financially using the geography and everything. not getting anything in return, so i think the window armenians uh close pushing you on a traitor. they have all the rights to describe him in that way because the of the duty of any leader is towards the chair and take care of the the interests of their own people. before thinking about what the french or the americans or the russians would expect from you and my opinions, the meanest expect from pushing in to protect them, protect their interests, and also protect the territories which pressing on. it seems he's not ready to do so. wow. okay, so it seems pushing on just rolled over and seated art socket. sounds like so final thoughts here on, on where this might all lead. do you foresee any lasting piece here?

how will thing you wes, way in on this matter? so i don't see that the piece would prevails in the region any time soon. i do believe that as a bitch on and tricky, they still have a lot in their hands to to reach and to a for example, they want to open this corner door between the field trip on and i was a bitch on which particular means between truck and also a bridge on it, and they're going to do which will force they're going to attack solar and armenian territory as they will construct this without force forcibly. uh and uh, fetching and really not to be able to do anything. because, as i mentioned to you over the last his allies in the region who are ready to at least diplomatically wait in and try to stop the invasion of the, as a bridge on his side. because under c s t or the c a c, or has the obligation to protect. i mean, yeah, but it might open an in the next few weeks, we would see that the pushing on

a we're withdrawal from the c s deal. and he was tried deals with the american side, but the americans, i'm not going to weigh in because they have also the interesting opening diesel out between the history of on and we as a page on because people need to understand the trick you despite this differences between knights, if it's still a natural country, and america sees trinity as an important player in the region and to do sort out that they want to extend their influence to the caspian sea and to extended produce the central asian central asia in congress. because i could stop took, it, took manage time to punch it gets done. and this is the sanction borders of restaurant, which means competing restaurant in someone's there. and also tried to destabilize the go down to initiative there, which also passes towards this decision. so i think the next big conflicts are going to happen in central asia, unfortunately, and we're not going to see um, peace and security anytime soon. because until the formation of the month i

boulevard, we will see that the americans are we'll try to defend. are there any puller, uh, work order. uh, in order to please a reserves their hija, monique status. but he said he have, uh, if he said he told us something that's all the buyers come and go and a pastoral uh, long circle. and in my opinion of the americans can let's a slow down the crumbling of the you and you pull the reward. but they cannot stop it, and i think the chinese unto your brushing alliance will bring an end to it. it's just a matter of time. and we only have to see when is this going to happen? would there be another gate or 2 or 3? my estimates that we will see arise up in multiple words, you know, short a time that we expect or dependence expect a good work on life and always appreciate your insight on this region of the world . thank you so much for being with us. you can find more from come work at seriana

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