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the there's no end and side over how you're going to continue to destroy. the error is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon, this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals. what are you living online? you have very quick propaganda. you know a price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the hello. i'm manila chan you weren't tuned, and the modus operandi know, got a car box is back on the world stage after a recent military campaign by us or by sean left, over a 100 armenians dead and 800000 more fleet for their lives,

but will be united states step in on a face off with their natal partner. turkey will explain. all right, let's get into the m o the, the fresh plains of another genocide as tens of thousands of ethnic armenians flattened. the cornel car box in mid september to the armenian population. this region is called ark sock flare ups between armenian forces, and a very military have cropped up since the fall of the soviet union in 1991 and whatever you choose to call it. this region is internationally recognized as within azerbaijan, borders, although the armenian locals had been pushing for an independent republic for years . so joining us to break it all down is kind of work out in mass, and he is an award winning,

middle east commentator. he's the founder of seriana analysis and independent syria news platform. he's been covering the latest military and diplomatic clash over there, going to car box on his new site. so can work. it's been a few years since, you know, dramatic and deadly fighting has happened in a world car box roughly 3 years ago. if i recall correctly. what happened exactly the disruptive the piece. since the end of the 1st it is in the late 2020, there was a ceasefire agreements brokered by russia between knuckle and i caught up on the soft armenians quality parts us and the other page on the site. however, this a ceasefire was all the time. it was not so strong ceasefire, in my opinion, because there was so many components in the agreements that hasn't been discussed between armenia and azerbaijan. one of which was the, the,

the who owns defend regions in our sauce. and from the armenian side, across, according to the history, there were different presidents and different data shapes who are working on keeping some of the agents in arkansas us that are populated by the armenians around 90 to 95 percent of these regions were populated by the armenians, and he started to these regions belong to the armenians. however, the other page on the sides was also very determined to capture disturbing stories and keep out the indigenous people from this region, saying that this region belongs to as a bridge. and so there was a, this conflict of, let's say to the target conflict between the both sides. but the administration in you have on it seems that when they signed the treaty in 2020, they have also put their signature on a document that gives us a page on the legal right to offer ownership over the started stories,

which means the as a badge on his side of sacked, it's to claim that if you ever have on the government, then you have on have signed a treaty, a document that says that these territories belong to azerbaijan. then we have to conquer distributors. and if you don't want to give this territory to us to diplomatic means or actual negotiations, then we have to concur it's true military means. and what does it be? john is deep. they started in late december 2022 to book a today impose a be located on our task actually with the large inquiry doing so for those who don't know, the large inquiry door is the only corporate, the left between armenia and not going to cut off to which the people who receive their basic necessities from fluids from it is seen from a school of products everything including energy. so what happened is i was a bit john, at the beginning they claimed that they are there for environmental reasons. they

send environmental activists quote unquote. and they blocked the dyslexia inquiry dorks aiming that armina is polluting the environment there and they are planting bombs on the both sides of the electron corridor. so this was a state orchestrated demonstrations. they block this call me dog, which means that the people's woodstock 120000 armenians in not going to cut off. they lost their lifeline. they don't have any supply of let's say food and medicine and other basic necessities. so they were, they have starved after 8 to 9 months, they couldn't, let's say, resist more without food. and all these basic necessities. and when the people in not going to come up, a 120000 people reach to a point of starvation, azerbaijan waged military campaign. and they help, okay, pied every inch of not going to cut off, including all the areas that belong to the armenians that are populated by the

armenians are going to be on his side claims that the people who live there, meaning it make our maintenance come stay and they don't have to go to armenia. but the footage that we watched from on the ground in not going to cut up all show clearly that the forces off as a bitch on they have committed lots of crimes. and i myself, call me a document that these are crimes, including the computations, including the body motivations, including rape and lots of crime, so that the armenians would see for their lives and go to it on or to our media. and what's happened is now that 120000 people like a big exodus, they were forcibly displaced from their homes and from their towns and they are now researchers in armenia. and unfortunately speaking, the armenian government also hidden by pushing young people in to understand that there is the position of the armenians and then you have the position of the government, the government, the no,

i mean you have doesn't necessarily represent the aspirations or the opinion of the people, because of political reasons, we can discuss that later. but pushing on governments, they said that there is no atrocities the major atrocities happening against the armenians. there again, as a bridge on use these statements and say, if you're government, say that they don't know our trust, it is, then why would your team that we, what we are forcibly displacing you. and funny enough, only a few days before the un mission monitors who came to not going to cut off to check uh, what's happening there as the, as a government idea of a gym, they donated a 1000000 dollar to the u. n. and the un mission, when they arrived in the empty cities and towns of not going to kind of, uh, they said that they couldn't find violations of human rights there. so there are corruption on different layers,

international corruption and also corruption on the political level in the are among the are in the army and government and also a criminal mindset. in my opinion, some of the other bit johnny side, which is based on ethnic cleansing of, to armenians from their, from their home towns. just like what's happened, drink what one when the auto money 5 committed. similar, if you use crimes against the armenians back then did the difference this time is that as of age on, is a back by turkey. and the also so many regional and international powers who have given green lights to as of age on to commit this ethnic cleansing against armenians. all right, so like many other regions or, or on claims in various parts of the world, there have been frozen, conflicts over land. what makes this one different than other territorial disputes? what me the, the only difference in my opinion between this conflict in order to reach one of

the conflicts is history. armenians, a live truly genocide. they paid one and a half 1000000 victims during the ethnic cleansing of the autumn, an empire against them. so they have always this, they have to develop this a bible instincts and survive and make on his ends in order to continue with their presence individual. what's happened is that window armina is found that unfortunately to create, to 1st capture their territory. and secondly, to create a buffers on between azerbaijan and armenia. they have taken this unfortunate and they have created the buffers, which means not one of the is not only an armenian territory, but also it's a buffer zone between armenia proper and also the vision. and once the armenians last not going to caught up the other bitch on the as a be johnny side has no, there is no obstacles now in front of us have agent to advance inside proper. i mean,

and this is we can see these statements. we can learn from the statements of the if he says clearly that you have on sony 7, those who are internationally recognized as our menu interrogatories. he says those are all service debbie stories and we were going to concur used to be tories. so what steps now are the, from concluding gives territories nothing because one, the armenians lost their i, russia. i mean, i'm still part of the c s t o, but because the armenians are having are pursuing a hostile relationship toward, let's say, the government, the united media is personally engleside relationship towards russia. the russians are coming for have to, i mean, you, secondly, the, all the hills and all the regions that surrounding these areas that audio says they are as a tell you stories. pushing young, gave up distributors voluntarily,

not even without fights to ideas, to as a badge on. which means now as a vision has even the advantage of the geographic, it advantage of the hills to be able to foot down on these time. your thought is that the claim is that it's already so in my opinion, the armenians in the next period they would face with a very serious challenge of survival. because in my opinion, the us, every side we different at the attack, sneak, which is as the south side of region of armenia in order to force armenia to open a trade that out. they call it the corridor between us a bit, john and turkey. and once this route is open, in my opinion this, we also try to in the interest of russia and the interest of you them and also the interest of armenia, any geographical connectivity between 2 to kick nations. it would in bolden pen

to to, to do i need some into it in bolden danielle altman, sentiments again and in my opinion, the nato countries, we use these a true turkey, which is a natural natal member country to extend their info laws to the cause us and to the caspian sea to do so out, they will, the, the, or pee inside. they are completely for opening. this are all the american side are come to do for opening new spots. and even the russians are for opening this route, but for different reasons. the only part of that is against opening is about now, is it on and unfortunately, the armenians side, the government, you know, i mean, you know, they are not trying to pursue friendly relationship, even with the, you know, they put all their baskets in all their eggs in the basket of the west, and in my opinion, this is a sweet side of the policy from the pushing inside. yeah, that's pretty provocative language by i, lia a. all right, coming up next could this latest battle and they're going to car a bar,

could force to nato allies into opposing sides, or will these 2 powers be able to broker piece will discuss the role of the us and turkey when we return with can work on last in sit tight, the m o will be right back the oh, the 1941 with the nazis health relation, ultra nationalist. the was dashes between the independent state of croatia. shortly on the seizing power. they build the scene of us concentration camp a place associated with the was the trustees committed in yugoslavia during world war 2. the stash is used to come system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews,

and other non catholic minorities and political opponents of the fascist regime. conditions in the scene of us campbell who renders the gods to which it to arise and the prisoners they send them a consultation temps. so most of them died. it was incredible genocide. the the welcome back to the m. o. i am the miller chan, middle east analyst and caucus region expert could work on my ceiling is back with us. so could work. this territory gets kind of murky when it comes to for an alliances. i mean, traditionally,

russia has been known to assist armenia while turkey backs arthur azerbaijan. but then enter the us, a nickel fashion, yon, the armenian p. m. seems to be leaning towards the west in this new flare up. but it gets complicated because turkey and the us are both nato members. so theoretically, this could put the us and russia on the same side of the fight. what do you make of this mix up of bedfellows? the only difference is that, i mean, there is no more and ally of russia. armenia has about the fight, the almost out to the statute, which means that if flipped the president put in a tries to visit armenia, i mean that is legally now bind it to arrest. but i think they put the, which is something very funny that the country like, i mean, that tries to do something like this. if we see the statements of south african leaders or in brazil or elsewhere, everybody makes

a mockery of the icy seas decision to as put in right or to charge him with the alleged for crimes and crimes against humanity. but the median side is, um it's, it's, it's going cool. it's reassigned to, there is no excuse to antagonize the pressure. you can have good relationship with the opinion. and you can join the association agreements with the opinion and you can join with security the agreements with the nato side without i'm talking icing restaurant. what's happening is nowadays that armenia is on uh, under pressure and yeah, and they have on cargo and i especially and to extend that the russians say, what can we do about it? now we have good relationship with other page on. we have secure our as a jewel political interest in this house and cause us to admit, john, we have also secured our energy interest. our companies are working rarely, and i was a bitch on then why do we need the armenian red armenians or, i mean, yeah, if the army knows we're not the one to us, why do we,

why do we have to run after the armenians right and disregard because at the end of the day, we're not talking about the family relationship between a brother and, and the father. this is politics. and if the armenians want under pushing on to and talk on ice russia, then the russians should also look for alternatives for them in the region, and they have found it also in azerbaijan. the relationship between other bridge on and restaurant is very good in my opinion, unlikely to i mean you do. and i want to give a little bit of a historical context here as a bridge on try to capture this territory multiple times. now going to kind of the last one before pushing in was in 2016 when search sucked you sound was the president of armenia. and everybody has to know that the arguments and heavy arguments and everything that i mean you has to defend itself is from russia. the webinar b is also the offensive me size and technology from russia. and in 2016 when i was a bitch on try to come curtis territory,

the armenians were such that they have successfully repaired to attack because one, they were willing to use the weapons that supplied them. and 2nd, they had good diplomatic security relationship, both with the restaurant and with the west. this is the thing that you always have to create the balance in your diplomatic relationship and not to and target. and i as a very important factor in the regents under pushing and pushing and, and start going i is the restaurant for us. when he came to power, he kicked out and uh, and she sent to jail lots of military and security. the officials who play the instruments on low in protecting access from other pitch on and dos where they had good relationship with the restaurant. so it was, i mean, yeah, which initiated on depression. you have to and talk on as washer and not the other way around. and know what happened in 2020 is that when the color problem was attacked and actually things came for help. this time to, i mean,

you know which armenians desperately need. therefore, it's a long calculations and wrong decisions and wrong, in my opinion. um, mistakes that the, the armenian side has done in, in the past few years, which led to this catastrophe situation that we were living today in armenia, and also a knuckle. and i caught up a in early october passion, yon flew to spain for tox, hosted by the u. b as airy president. it'll have lia reportedly withdrew his rsvp at the very last minute. now this would have been an opportunity for peace talks on a multi lateral scale leaders of france, germany, armenia, and azerbaijan. and the council president charles michel, pasha, neon told media that he was writing to assign a so called break through deal. what's your read on the outcome of this?

you brokered event and and y l e of dropped out historically in the past 2 decades, there was several attempts to broker a deal to break a deal between armenia. and as i've been there with the center, europe in congress involves america, the united states, and also russia. this time, this meeting was exclusively, uh, hold by the european on the american site. did the exclusive domestic completely. in my opinion, you're kind of excludes the restaurant from the caucasus. it's jo, graphically impossible. it's like isolating through united states from mexico or from, from canada. geographically speaking, those things doesn't make any sense. right. what's happened is that person. yeah. and wanted to give credit for any sort of for agreement that could be that he may strike with as of age on to the europeans, up to the americans and, and exclude the russians. come 50 from decide, i'm not defending, was trying to. so you got, i'm just saying that there is an important actor for the player with great

influence in the region that is excluded from this negotiations. and that doesn't make any sense to me. if you want to strike a deal and you want to build the security architecture that can protect the armenian silver entity and also want to pave the way for implementing relationship with other page on, etc. you have to bring also all the players in the region, right. like, you know, for example, excluded from this. i mean, what has jim many has to do in this negotiations or friends cross? oh, great britain or the nice is they're far away from this region. they don't have direct presence in this region. i like it on and on like russia for example. they also can side to be true because they claim that the fans is biased toward to, towards armenia. and in my opinion, that's completely false because the but the insides, they have very good relationship with us. i bet john, they're buying guys an order from other badge on. and they are striking deals after

deals true to you and commission, which doesn't match on the problem is on the other side that france rejects category key. the occupation of positive age on to potential occupation of as of age on of any territory is inside farming. you proper for example, in so nic reaching my opinion on the piece, preparing for an invasion instruction, armenia, so friends here, now he's sending the defense if track some empty piece for the armenians in this area, and also be on the seas that as a, into a few events in the, in this conflicts oh, the, as of age on these receiving with any, from all the sites they receive a weapons from the united states, direct minutes or 8 from united states. they receive weapons from is run the super bench from restaurant they receive weapons on every way. but when armenians receive and this type of weapon need to defend themselves reduce,

this will be done. but depression young uh, she unilaterally signed an agreement and he recalled nice to or, or accepted the attributes on the quote unquote integrity of azerbaijan, which means pushing man has completely abandon, is not going to cut off of assigned on a paper which gave legally the rights for as a big jump to occupy this area, we don't even others didn't even even attend it. so i want for the people to understand, to what extent the administration, you know, i mean, is corrupted, that they are ready to sign the treaty with someone that someone is not there. they're not even present in this new york, she asian. so they, you, in the last year and they gave up on territories to as a bridge on, for an exchange of what for this is david question. up until this moment, armenians are on the losing, losing politically, losing financially using

a geographic and everything. not getting anything in return. so i think the window armenians cause pushing on a traitor. they have all the rights to describe him in that way because the, the duty of any leader is to care and take care of the, the interests of their own people. before thinking about what the french or the americans or the russians would expect from you and my opinions, the meanest expect from pushing in to protect them, protect their interests, and also protect the territories which pressing on. it seems he's not ready to do so. wow. okay, so it seems pushing on just rolled over and see the art sockets sounds like um, so final thoughts here on, on where this might all lead. do you foresee any lasting piece here? how will thing you, wes, weigh in on this matter?

so i don't see that the piece would prevails in the agent any time soon. i do believe that as a bitch on and tricky, they still have a lot in their hands to to reach and to, for example, they want to open this corey door between knocking chip on a bitch on which practically means between truck and also a bridge on it and they're going to the ritual force. they're going to attack sober and arming in san antonio as they will construct this without force forcibly, uh and uh, fetching and really not to be able to do anything. because as i mentioned to you over the last his allies in the region who are ready to at least diplomatically wait in and try to stop the invasion of the opposite page on your side. because under c, s, t, or the csp, or has the obligation to protect armenia, but it might open an in the next few weeks. we would see that the pushing on would withdrawal from the c s. u. and he was tried deals with the american side. but the americans, i'm not going to weigh in because they have also the interesting opening these

routes between us that you have on. and we as a page on because people need to understand the trick you. despite this differences between knights, if it's still a natural country, and america sees trinity as an important player in the region and truly do sit out and they want to extend their influence to the caspian sea and to extended produce a central asian central agent congress. because i could stop took, it, took manage time to punch it gets done. and this is the sauce and borders of restaurant, which means competing restaurant in someone's there. and also tried to destabilize the go down to initiative there, which also passes towards this decision. so i think the next big conflicts are going to happen in central asia, unfortunately, and we're not going to see um, peace and security anytime soon. because until the formation of the month i boulevard, we will see that the americans are,

we'll try to defend to the new polar work order in order to present reserves, their hedge, a monic status. but the history have is, he said, he told us something that all the empires come and go and a pastoral long circle. and in my opinion of the americans can. let's a slow down the crumbling of the you and your puller words, but they cannot stop it. and i think the chinese on the russian alliance will bring an end to it. it's just a matter of time. and we only have to see when is this going to happen, where during a decade or 2 or 3? my estimates that we will see arise of a mazda full of words, you know, short a time that we expect or departments expect to work on life, and always appreciate your insight on this region of the world. thank you so much for being with us. you can find more from come work at seriana dash analysis dot com. all right, that's going to do it for this episode at modus operandi the show that dig deep

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