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as we certainly are 2024, it's fair to ask whether we are approaching another world war. indeed, one could make the case. the 3rd world war is already begun. the flash points are obviously praying, then god, that there's no denying western germany is being challenged and had 2 months. never willingly horsepower the hello, i'm manila chan you are tuned in the modus operandi. know, got a car box is back on the world stage after a recent military campaign by us or by sean left. over a 100 armenians dead. and 800000 more fling for their lives, but will be united states step in on a face off with their nato partner. turkey will explain. all right, let's get into the m o. the

fresh claims of another genocide as tens of thousands of ethnic armenians flattened the cornel car box in mid september to v armenian population. this region is called arc soc flareups between armenia and forces and a very military have cropped up since the fall of the soviet union in 1991 and whatever you choose to call it. this region is internationally recognized as within azerbaijan, borders, although the armenian locals had been pushing for an independent republic for years . so joining us to break it all down is kind of work out in mass, and he is an award winning, middle east commentator. he's the founder of seriana analysis and independent syrian news platform. he's been covering the latest military and diplomatic clash over there, going to car box on his new site. so can work. it's been

a few years since, you know, dramatic and deadly fighting has happened in the world car box roughly 3 years ago . if i recall correctly. what happened exactly the disruptive piece since the end of the 1st it is in the late 2020, there was a cease fire agreement brokered by russia between not going or caught up outside. so i mean in school it starts us and the other page on your site. however these uh ceased by it was all the time. it was uh, not so strong ceasefire, in my opinion, because there was so many components into agreements that hasn't been discussed between armenia and azerbaijan. one of which was the, the, the who owns different regions in our sauce, and from the armenian side. according to the history. there were different presidents and different data shapes who are working on keeping some of the regions

in arch soft that are populated by the armenians around 90 to 95 percent of these regions were populated by the armenians and he started this visions belong to the armenians however, the, as a bitch on his sides was also very determined to capture, distribute stories and keep out the indigenous people from this region saying that this region belongs to us. so there was a, this conflict of, let's say to the target conflict between the both sides. but the administration in us on it seems that when they signed the treaty in 2020, they have also put their signature on a document that gives us a page on the legal right to off want to ship over do started stories, which means the as a badge on the side of sacked, it's to claim that if you ever have on the government, then you have on have signed a treaty, a document that says that these territories belong to azerbaijan. then we have to concur distribute stories. and if you don't want to give this territory to us to

diplomatic means or, or actual negotiations, then we have to concur it to me literally means. and what i was a bit, john is deep. they started in late december 2022 to book a today in pose a be located on our task actually with the large inquiry don't. so for those who don't know, the large inquiry door is the only corporate though left between armenia and not going to cut it off to which the people who received their basic necessities from fluids, from medicine, from a school of products, everything including energy. so what happened is i was a bit, john at the beginning, they claimed that they are there for environmental reasons. they send environmental activists quote unquote. and they blocked the dislodge inquiry door, claiming that armina is polluting the environment there. and they are planting bombs on the both sides of the electric inquiry. the so this was

a state orchestrated demonstrations. they've looked this quite a dog, which means that the people's woodstock 120000 armenians in not going to cut off. they lost their lifeline. they don't have any supply of, let's say food and medicine and under basic necessities. so they were, they have start after 8 to 9 months. they couldn't, let's say resist more without food and all these basic necessities. and when the people in are going to come up, a $120000.00 people, each to a point of starvation, azerbaijan waged military campaign, and they help, okay, pied every inch of not going to cut off, including all the areas that belong to the armenians, that are populated by the armenians, are going to be on the side claim that the people who live there, meaning ethnic armenians can stay. and they don't have to go to armenia. but the footage that we watched from on the ground in not going to cut off,

i'll show clearly that the forces off as a bitch on they have committed lots of crimes. and i, myself comment, documented these crimes including the computations, including the body motivations, including rape and lots of crime, so that the armenians would see for their lives and go to it on or to our media. and what's happened is now that 120000 people like a big exodus, they were forcibly displaced from their homes and from their towns and they are now researchers in armenia. and unfortunately speaking, the armenian government also hit by pushing young people to understand that there is the position of the armenians. and then you have the position of the government, the government, you know, i mean, you know, it doesn't necessarily represent the aspirations or the opinion of the people because of political reasons. we can discuss that later. but pushing on governments, they said that there is no atrocities, major atrocities happening against the armenians. there again, as

a bitch on use these statements and say, if you're government, say that they don't know our trust, it is. then why would your team that we, what we are forcibly just basing your and funny enough only a few days before the un mission monitors who came to not going to cut off to check uh, what's happening there the as a government id, imagine they donated a $1000000.00 to the u. n. and the un mission when they arrived in the empty cities and towns of not going to kind of, uh, they said that they couldn't find violations of human rights there. so there are corruption on different players, international corruption and also corruption on the political level in the are among the are in the army and government and also a criminal mindset in my opinion. so i'm the as a bit johnny side, which is based on ethnic cleansing of, to armenians from their,

from their home towns. just like what's happened, drink what one, when the ultimate need 5 committed. si miller, if you use crimes against the armenians back then did the difference this time is that as of age on a is a back by turkey. and also so many regional and international powers who have given green lights to as of age on to commit this ethnic cleansing against armenians. all right, so like many other regions or, or on claims in various parts of the world, there have been frozen, conflicts over land. what makes this one different than other territorial disputes? what me the, the only difference in my opinion between this conflict in order to reach one of the conflicts is history. armenians, a live to a genocide. they paid one and a half 1000000 victims during the ethnic cleansing of the autumn, an empire against them. so they have always this, they have to develop this

a bible instincts and survive and make kind isms in order to continue with their presence innovation. what's happened is that window armina is found that unfortunately to create, to 1st capture their territory. and secondly, to create a buffers on between azerbaijan and armenia. they have taken, these are fortunate and they have created the buffers, which means not one of the is not only an armenian territory, but also it's a buffer zone between armenia proper and also the vision. and once the armenians last not going to caught up after, as a vision, the, as a b johnny side has no, there is no obstacles now in front of us have agent to advance insight proper. i mean, and this is, we can see this statements. we can learn from the statements of our, the, if he says, clearly that you have on sunni 7. those who are international recruitment as our menu interrogatories. he says,

those are all gonna be $30.00 and we're going to concur used to be tories. so what the steps now are the from concluding distributor is nothing because one, the armenians lost their, i, russia. i mean, i'm still part of the c s t o, but because the armenians are having are pursuing a hostile relationship toward, let's say, the government, the not media is present ingleside relationship towards russia. the russians aren't coming for have to, i mean you secondly, the, all the hills and all the regions that surrounding these areas that are the ups as they are, as they tell you stories. pushing young, gave up distributor is born and certainly not even without fight to ideas to as a vision, which means now as a vision has even the advantage of the geographic and advantage of the hills to be able to foot down on these time. your thought is that the claim is that it's already so in my opinion,

the armenians in the next period they would face with a very serious challenge of survival. because in my opinion, the us, every side we different at the attack, sneak, which is, is the south side of region of armenia in order to force armenia to open a trait that out they call it the corridor between as a vision and took a. and once this is all, it is open, in my opinion this we also try to in the interest of russia and the interest of you them and also the interest of armenia, any geographical connectivity between 2 to kick nations. it would in bolden pen to, to, to i need some into it in bolden, didn't you ultimately the sentiments again and in my opinion, the nato countries, we'd use these a true turkey, which is a natural natal member country to extend their info laws to the cause us and to the

caspian sea to do so out, they will, the do your pee inside. they are completely for opening this throughout the american side. our community for opening new starts and even the russians are for opening this route. but for different reasons. the only part of that is against opening is about now is yvonne. and unfortunately, the armenians side, the government, you know, i mean, you know, they are not trying to pursue friendly relationship, even with the, you know, they put all their baskets in all their eggs in the baskets of the west. and in my opinion, this is a suicide of policy from the pushing insight. yeah, that's pretty provocative language by i, lia, the right coming up next. could this latest battle and they're going to car a bar, could force to nato allies into opposing sides, or will these 2 powers be able to broker piece will discuss the role of the us and turkey when we return with come work on last in. sit tight,

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welcome back to the m. o i am the miller chan, middle east analyst and caucus region expert could work on my ceiling is back with us. so could work. this territory gets kind of murky when it comes to for an alliances. i mean, traditionally russia has been known to assist armenia, while turkey backs are the other by john. but then enter the u. s. nicole fashion you on the armenian p. m. seems to be leaning towards the west in this new flare up . but it gets complicated because turkey and the us are both nato members. so theoretically, this could put the us and russia on the same side of the fight. what do you make of

this mix up of bedfellows? and the only difference is that, i mean, there is no more an ally of russia. armenia has about the fight, the almost doctor, the statute. which means that if the president put in a tries to visit armenia, armina is legally now by the to arrest. but i think they put the, which is something very funny that the country like, i mean, that tries to do something like this. if we see the statements of south african leaders or in brazil or elsewhere, everybody makes a mockery of the icy seas decision to or as booking, right, or to charge him with the alleged word, crimes and crimes against humanity. but the armenian side is it's, it's, it's going, it's we side the, there is no excuse to antagonize the pressure. you can have good relationship with the opinion. and you can join the association agreements with the opinion and you

can join with security the agreements with the nato side without i'm talking with isaac restaurant. what's happening is nowadays that armenia is on the under pressure and yeah, and they have on cargo and i especially and to extend that the russians say, what can we do about it? now we have good relationship with as a bridge on we have secure our as a geo political interest in this house and co cause us to as a bitch on. we have also secured our energy interest. our companies are working rarely, and i was a bitch on then why do we need the armenian red armenians or, i mean, yeah, if the army knows we're not once us, why do we, why do we have to run after the armenians right industry got because at the end of the day, we're not talking about the family relationship between a brother and, and the father. this is politics. and if the armenians want under pushing on to and talk on ice russia, then the russians should also look for alternatives for them in the region. and they have found it also in azerbaijan. the relationship between other bridge and,

and russia is very good in my opinion, unlikely to, i mean, you do. and i want to give a little bit of a historical context here as a bridge on try to capture this territory multiple times. i'm not going to cut up the last one before pushing it was in 2016 when search suck you sound was the president of armenia. and everybody has to know that the arguments and heavy arguments and everything that i mean you has to defend itself is from russia, the webinar b, as also the offensive me size and technology from russia. and in 2016, when i was a bridge on try to come gorgeous territory, the armenians were suck that they have successfully repaired to attack because one, they were willing to use the weapons that supplied them. and 2nd, they had good diplomatic security relationship, both with the restaurant and with the west. this is the thing that you always have

to create the buttons in your diplomatic relationship and not to and talk on i as a very important factor in the region under pushing and pushing and, and start going eyes that i show for us when he came to power, he kicked out and uh, and she sent to jail lots of military and security, the officials who played an instrumental role in full, texting arts of some of the vision. and those were, they had good relationships with the restaurant. so it was, i mean, yeah, which initiated on depression, you have to unplug on as the restaurant and not the other way around. and know what happened in 2020 is that when the color problem was attacked and actually things came for help. this time to, i mean, you know which armenians desperately need, therefore, it's a long calculations and wrong decisions and wrong, in my opinion. um, mistakes that through the armenian side to has done in, in the past few years, which led to this catastrophe situation that we were living today in armenia. and

also in the caught up, i know in early october, pushing young flew to spain for tox, hosted by the u. b. s. very president, ill home aaliyah, reportedly withdrew his rsvp at the very last minute. now this would have been an opportunity for peace talks on a multi lateral scale leaders of france, germany, armenia, and azerbaijan. and the council president charles michel, pasha, neon told media that he was writing to assign a so called break through deal. what's your read on the outcome of this? you brokered event and and y l e of dropped out historically in the past 2 decades, there was several attempts to booker a deal to break at the end between armenia. and as i mentioned, there would be sent to europe in congress, involves america, united states, and also russia. this time, this meeting was exclusively uh, hold by the european and american side. did the exclusive depression are completely,

in my opinion, you cannot exclude special from the court because it's joe graphically impossible. it's like isolating through united states from mexico or from, from canada. geographically speaking, those things doesn't make any sense. right. what's happened is that person, yeah. and wanted to give credit for any sort of agreement that could be a, that he may strike with as a badge on to the europeans after the americans and, and exclude the russians completely from dislike. i'm not defending, restaurant disregard. i'm just saying that there is an important actor course of player with great influence in the region that is excluded from this negotiations. and that doesn't make any sense to me. if you want to strike a deal and you want to be able to disagree with the architecture that can protect the armenian silver entity and also want to pave the way for diplomatic relationship with as of age on, et cetera. you have to bring also all the players in the region, right. like,

you know, for example, excluded from this. i mean, what has jim many has to do in this negotiations or friends cross? oh, great, great to know the nice is they're far away from this region. they don't have direct presence in this region. i like it on and on like russia, for example. they also decided to be true because they claim that the friends is biased toward to, towards armenia. and in my opinion, that's completely false because the, the insides, they have very close relationship with other page on their buying guys and or from other badge on. and they are striking deals after deals true to you and commission, which as a bitch on the problem is on the as a side that france rejects categorically the occupation of as a be john to at potential occupation if as of age on of any territories inside armenia proper for example in so nic reaching my opinion,

the idea of is preparing for any invasion instruction. armenia, so friends here, now he's sending a defensive track, some empty peas for the armenians in this area. and also by john says that as a into a few minutes in the, in this conflicts, oh, the other, the vision is receiving with any, from all the sites they receive, a weapons from the united states, direct miniature, 8 from united states. they receive weapons from is run david super bench from restaurant. they receive weapons from everywhere. but when armenians receive any type of weaponry to defend themselves seduce, this will be then. but the question young, she unilaterally signed an agreement and he recalled nice to or, or accepted the attributes on the quote unquote integrity of azerbaijan, which means pushing man has completely abandoned not going to kind of assigned on a paper which gave legally devise for as

a big jump to occupy this area. we don't even as it was, didn't even even attended. so i want for the people to understand, to what extent the administration, you know, i mean, is corrupted, that they are ready to sign the treaty with someone that someone is not. they're not even present in this new york, she ation. so they, you and you're not sure they gave up until the authorities to, as a bridge on, for an exchange of what for this is david question. up until this moment, armenians are only losing losing politically, losing financially losing jo graphic and everything. not getting anything in return, so i think the window armenians cold pushing on a traitor. they have all the rights to describe him in that way because the of the duty of any leader is towards the chair and take care of the the interests of their own people. before thinking about what the,

the strange or the americans or the russians would expect from you. and my opinions, the meanest expect from pushing in to protect them, protect their interests, and also protect the territories which pressing on it seems he's not ready to do so . wow, okay, so it seems pushing on just rolled over and seated art socket sounds like um, so final thoughts here on, on where this might all lead. do you foresee any lasting piece here? how one thing you, wes, weigh in on this matter? so i don't see that the piece would prevails in the region any time soon. i do believe that as a bitch on and tricky, they still have a lot in their hands to to reach and to for example, they want to open this corner door between the field trip on a bitch on which particular means between tra, can also bridge on it and they're going to the ritual force. they're going to

attack silver and armina territory as they will construct this without force forcibly, uh and uh, fetching and really not to be able to do anything. because as i mentioned to you over the last his allies in the region who are ready to at least diplomatically way in and try to stop the invasion of the as a bridge on the side. because under c, s, the, or the csp, or has the obligation to protect. i mean, yeah, but it might open an in the next few weeks, we would see that the pushing on a, we're withdrawal from the c s. u. and he was tried deals with the american side, but the americans, i'm not going to wait in because they have also the interesting opening. these are out between us that you have on. and we as a page on because people need to understand the trick you, despite this differences between knights, if it's still a natural country. and america sees trinity as an important player in the region and truly do sit out. they want to extend their influence to the caspian sea and to extended produce the central asian central asia in congress because i could stop

took, it, took manage time to punch it gets done. and this is the sanction borders of restaurant, which means competing restaurant in someone's there. and also trying to destabilize the go down to initiative there, which also passes towards this dis region. so i think the next big conflicts are going to happen in central asia. unfortunately, and we're not going to see um, peace and security anytime soon, because until the formation of the mouth type boulevard, we will see that the americans are we'll try to defend. are there any puller, uh, work order. uh, in order to please a reserves their hedge, a monic status, but he said he have, uh, if he said he told us something that's all the empires come and go and a pastoral uh, long circle. and in my opinion of the americans can, let's a slow down the crumbling of the you and you pull the reward,

but they cannot stop it. and i think the chinese unto your brushing alliance will bring an end to it. it's just a matter of time. and we only have to see when is this going to happen? would there be another decade or 2 or 3? my estimates that we will see arise of a mazda full of words, you know, short a time that we expect or dependence expect a good work on last and always appreciate your insight on this region of the world . thank you so much for being with us. you can find more from come work at seriana dash analysis dot com. all right, that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi. the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host, noah. cham thank you so much for tuning in. we'll see you again next time and figure out the m. o, the,

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