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the hello and welcome to the cross stuff. we're all things are considered 9 people about as we start the year 2024. it's fair to ask whether we were approaching another world war. indeed, one could make the case. the 3rd world war has already begun. the flash points are obviously praying and gaza. there's no denying western have gemini is being challenged, and headphones never willingly relinquish power. the discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guessing budapest we have. george sent me a while. he is a podcast through the guy goal, which can be found on youtube and locals and america. actually pross to mark j is an award winning journalist and commentator hard gentleman called stop roles. perfect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it.

chris, let's start out with george and in budapest as we enter the new year. as i said in my introduction, george has a lot of flash points out there. but it's, it should we started thinking about connecting them and there are other ones to what's going on in north africa. of course, the, by the ministrations obsession with taiwan. so the, there seems to be a growing trend tier of more instability. and as i also highlighted in my introduction, hedge funds don't give up easily connect those jobs if they're connect to bold, george. well, i think they all connect to the la, you're absolutely right. the, the, it's huge amounts do not give up power easily if effect. but he, they fight like hell to retain the power. and we do see that in the case of, of the united states. and they obviously, this, they, the ukraine conflicts in which the united states will, under no circumstances, if they just readily admit that they have lost the war with russia. this goes

against everything that the united states has been above the past 100 years. and that of course you have a problem in the middle east and the secretary of state them anthony blinking is once a game in the middle east. and as the media reported, oh, he's trying to time down change shows. he's trying to avoid escalation. but it's a little bit late because uh yeah, but the escalation is already there that you got the uh, the situation on the board of with lab on where it is. this goes to explode at any moment. and then of course, you have a situation in the red sea with the united states in the u. k. during blustering a great deal about how they going to launch a miss ios at the who t's um that it could go towards no serious problems. um, because there is a big issue of uh,

being wrong. and the united states can it, does it all to get into a, a war with around. but if it continues down this path and if it is unable to bring some kind of restraint and it doesn't look at, he's able to bring some restraint to what do israel's actions a, what were the wrong is a distinct possibility. so there's a lot of tension of a game and given the incompetence weakness of the, by the discretion, like it could easily explode into this office. something along those lines. so of loss rate in market with all the more. so if we look at specifically in gaza, oh, you know, george did a good job of, of going through the menu of the complex and related to that. but it's a, by the administration would just simply and forcefully call for a ceasefire. it would kind of take a lot of the, the, the energy and of, and fear out of what's going on in the middle east,

but the by ministration has no intention of doing that. as much as we keep hearing the administrative side. they're trying to de escalate. that's why boeing comes in the region. well, one can make the argument, and i certainly would that it's actually escalating it as long as there's no pressure on israel to change its behavior. we're going to go that up the, the escalation latter as well. and, you know, as i said before, and it shows the what the biggest worry is of course miscalculation. this is what really is keeping of wanting wake at night to bundle ministration. does not very good track record of that. just to show us where we are with, with you train and daily stilton in it because as you mentioned. so that's very worrying, but i single efforts by the button administration to, to some extent, try and push forward the escalation originally while intensifying or supporting the israel slow. so i'm 30 paces some goals are, which is still going on. now,

i was somewhat encouraged by just a few days ago, one of my jones wrote a piece in lebanon about how his blood and these riley is roughly pulled back from the border and reduced the numbers of soldiers and the, the, the, the intensities. but it's been submit to some point they haven't stopped. does it have reduced or they have that she pulled away from the abyss for the moment. um, but you know, it's, it's when you look at binding, you're looking at a nice in seventy's much an age as model of a gemini anyway, you know, and not necessarily a law. the problem is the wrong button is surrounded by just functional, outdated, anachronistic, useless institutions. like united nations, you know, how is the licensee and the hey i'm, i'm the, i'm the you and the central that. so, you know, he's still living his dream of being in light tonight is i'm president. i think not the really the point that's really interesting part of the way you frame it. and i

absolutely agree, you know, george, you know, we can, you know, he's always hard to look at, you know, when something need to know in 1945 something. and that everybody agrees with that . but when it comes to, when things start that, so you know, we can say those type of world war started in 1939. well, the chinese would say, well, the japanese were built in bothering us before that, i mean with these certain discrete moments are very difficult when you're going into accounts like and actually when you think about it since 1945, a lot of complex really don't come to an end with notable exceptions, routing of the americans and, and southeast asia. but, you know, if we look at the architecture of the world, you know, last year and now russia is going to be a heading breaks this year. these are new vehicles here, and it seems to me that when we look at the case of the condemnation of israel around the world for what it's doing in gaza and the us never really couldn't nato

named land never really could get the world on fire for ukraine, that's because, you know, the g 7 represents circle interest and it's not the interest, nominally speaking of the world anymore. this is what's going on. there's a dis disconnect with institutions that the west control. and most people are taking a whole home or even say, we're not, we don't want to participate. you know, you're the red sea, that's your problem. we didn't create it. don't get us involved. do you see what i'm getting at churches? there's also an institutional break, a good thing. so, but the thing is is um, off the 1945 you had the, um, the error of the bipolar well, um which rather the united states, you know, basically had it's, um, uh, satellite states um, who did its bidding? um, there was a block led by the uh, the soviet union and the united states go respected that blog and basically said,

well, we had a win win know going to mess with that, bob, because it's really dangerous. you never know is these people and the nice, the genuinely was afraid of the soviet union. the problem arose the thing with the really the unit polar moments in 1991. when this uh the, this alternative blog collapse and ever since then which now more than 30 years ago, the united states has sought to dominate the world. because there's a now that the soviet union is gone. there isn't the bipolar world. and well, there's just simply a one pole. well, we dominated and no one can challenges. and of course that is not happening. i mean, this was obviously totally delusional. you know, this was the full yamma pulse of its moments. it was a delusional moment. and now there are all these other things that you've listed that that come to the service, the united states, when he doesn't accept that and refuses to abide by any of the restrictions. that's where the very dangerous because uh,

the united states as an excessive regard for itself. and therefore he's doing things now that he would now have done, you know, back in the bipolar well thinking what we can just do it, you know, with, with, with, with so strong. no one can a challenge us. and this is where it gets very dangerous. so this is a way to even kind of going towards where you're going to need to. and we looked at the 2 blocks during the cold war during the unit polar moments as actually allowed allowed. i say with the air quotes the united states is to make decisions for its allies like blowing up the north stream pipeline. i mean, you know, of course, senior own allies to, to be and this by for creative world either you, it's been with us or against us. okay. i thought we, we, we realize that that's not a very same way to move forward because world is not multi polar right. now, martin champion on that because, you know, you know, we have these different blogs, but they're very different than they were during the cold war. yes, things have changed a little and i wonder,

i read them take george's point as it was very good one. but to take take the point for a one to actually, wanda was all the fact that there is now multiple in a world now. and that there are literally scores of countries in the global self who are just tired of being insignificant in the united nations. and i'm looking for a new cheer, political about the new, a new sense of being where they feel the input and their role is taken most seriously and spriggs tense. and steve additional breaks, you know, going from what's included. i wonder whether this is actually having an impact on the west and actually provoking people like bite and to go further, you know, with these conflicts and he would pass previously in um, in, in the, in the previous model. whether it just wasn't some, you know, others does, on the other players out there who, who can actually get organized and actually kind of have an impact. well, i mean it to that point martin, you know the churches and pointed out correctly is that the head during the cold

war, the us that it's, it's block. they were careful, they were careful not to get themselves into a jam where they could separate defeat, meaning great powers don't bite great powers. that's not a good idea because you can lose. but the buying administration has seemed to as a band. and that martin. yeah, they have, and this is the real worry and you know, and the e u is more or less supporting everything that the, by the management ministration does. and so we don't have a, a safety catch. we don't have a hand break, we don't have a mechanism. some of you know, i'm older, perhaps more experienced people around the world who can actually meets and say something needs to be done. somebody needs to be done to actually installed some commonsense into this. well, i mean they're turning the poles are going to kind of, it's a steel george's went here as a restraint was actually a good thing. but no, a straight is a, it is a bad thing. they say it's really interesting how we evolved, okay, from this unipolar moment,

it's far more dangerous now than ever was during the cold war. keep going more. yeah. and you know, and i think that there was because of that there's a very real risk. i wonder how i can put this. there is a very real risk that this must spend it about pulling cliches of world. war 3 is a realistic one, you know, and the bottom administration and within his own pace is on paper. but you've been telling and stopped using this expression model 3, you know, and even republicans using a lot now for their own mechanism, their own ideas of run political leverage. but you know, it's, it's pretty scary. i mean, they all the altima is, but we won't reach world war 3 scenario because the 2 major powers in the world. i know i should take and partials of each other. and i'm not reckoning one, i'm not so, but the huge question is, relationships. you know, how much value does it run place on its relationships with, say, the empties all has blown 11 on and these, you know, and that,

and that's the really the big, the big question. and the same on the american side, you know, obviously when you have the access of resistance, there's a certain point in time where you put up or shut up. and this is one of those moments gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion whether we're approaching the 3rd world war se with our t, the, the, the, the, the,

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the welcome that's across stuff were all things are considered. i'm beautiful about your mind you were discussing with the 3rd world war is approaching the the issue of george, one of the things that i've been thinking about actually a lot is particularly when we think in terms of what's going on in gaza. and then over the last 2 years, biden's more a proxy warranty in ukraine. um and you know, it could be the sauce power element just just isn't working any way. so, you know, they, they kick at the us cat charm of the world anymore. i, i believe that it did it one time during the cold war. i think it was cell phone was quite meaningful. okay. but the cell power, now it just isn't there. and it gives you the kind of echo what something martin said in the 1st part of the program. it's allowing people to say, yeah,

i don't think so. okay. was something that would have been on speaker will 3035 years ago. george? yes, i think so. um, the problem is, is that the bible people have made the case on the very busy a logical grounds and minutes, which again goes back to what we're talking about in the 1st off, which is why the world is so dangerous. it is that the vitamin ministration has made this so that it's a uh, a contact go and democracy and we'll talk, proceed. we'll far, it's aaron ism is on the monitor on the well the united states needs to, uh, but i couldn't bring it to an end this module. oh, the certainly no could have made sense and 19721974. right? but at this, but if you're us it right, but a $9070.00 to $74.00, the they retirement and the voices in the west were coming from, let's say,

you know, the nixon administration, which is despite all differences, we need to work together full of good of mankind full to go to the world, you know, we need peace and co operation. that was like we live, which is sort of, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have differences. we don't like the soviet system. we don't like communism, but we have to work with that. so that's very different from what the biden is doing by who's making this, or the kind of an absolute this, you know, millenarian conflict that's really very dangerous. so he's doing things that i know with a thoughtful uh, in the past, such as seizing uh, rushes, central bank reserves and handing it over to ukraine. now this is $300000000000.00 or whatever dollars it's set to be. who knows what is actually the number is, but that's really pushing the envelope and that, and this is, you know, this, but it wasn't just simply what a wild idea that was once report and it's,

it's continually being reported in the media that this is something the bible people are pushing on reluctance, europeans and you know, have to bind people bush, then they will get the way your bins. resistance in the hallways evaporates. so when you have this conflict that is described as such as salute this terms and with vitamins also in domestic politics, i mean he gets speech the other day against trauma, but his supporters is a game. and i kind of really, or is it like a cooling for a civil war in the united states? that's where it gets very dangerous, because then you know, you, you're going to keep going, keep going. until essentially that will be a conflict. i mean, it's hopefully, obviously new brain is where it's very dangerous, but it going to happen, going to take place and them at least the wrong. as far as the buying people concerned is above all this of the axis of evil. they don't use the term, but then the price here to receive the fax is a label that may as if a risk, some kind of in, in an explosion with iran on behalf of the who, diesel,

around behalf of the test pull against israel, the united states will be drawn in on the dividing regime. okay, but that's just the point and that's what makes this so much different than the cold war. mark me is that i'm of the opinion. george just said it is that instead of, you know, we have blinking going, what the 6th trip, i mean of if he hasn't accomplished anything by this, by that, what do you do it? but anyway, that's beside the point, but it seems to me, any you have to think about this counter intuitively, is that these people are like a binding ministration and the people that'd be the simple followers in europe, which are not worth speaking about anymore. they want, this is that they want escalation, this is a time to solve all problems. this is very ideological. we take care of from us. we take care of his blog, who these interact all at once. okay, this magical thinking and that's what it is. but there are people thinking that market no i'm no, i'm not. so they do seem to like,

i wonder whether they're kidding themselves. you know, i, can they really be the something right recently. but what, what, who $91.00 us present in the since 1979 who is even dreamt of coming around an i'm believing that he can put it off in the american president's traditionally well with, with mr. bolton in the white house. they were that far away. right? let's leave, especially though none of the problem is, is that whether you believe in the soft power or not, you know this, this, most people don't even know what it means. but you know, in the middle east that defining my model upon my 2015 waste right in the side. and then the whole, sure, uh, the whole house of cards just collapsed. and every single person in this part will realized, actually it's just a paper tiger this, this whole idea that you can keep germany going and pass it up and you know and make it appear to be much more powerful. that is what the problem is. we don't even have soft palate anymore. so i think we're,

we're all very towards escalation because it's the only thing in town. so the, by the ministration to keep face, you know, there was no of a new house for a house. there was no great deal for money machine behind him. there's no soft power behind him, and that's the method that reinforce but that doesn't that reinforce what i said in my introduction. in george, i think has already mentioned that headphones. they'll go away, pick up their marbles and go home they night. okay, exactly. i mean, we've got people that bite and who do not have the intellect or the full size of the experience to actually look forward and to and to, to reject the model to reinvent america's america's role in the west. you know, and, and this site, it's like watching the partition part collab south of the 2nd level. you know, all those african countries lining up for independence and our economy in a tailspin. no, on really having a vision, you know, of how to go sold. and that, so as soon as came about, because the total identity crisis, unit known as you know, as think the same thing is happening was, was boy, let's hope, let's pray we never got so,

so it was scenario. but i think if we ever do get to, it's just because the, the self power idea that we have doesn't really exist. you know, if you look at american intervention the last few years, you know, libya, syria, iraq of kind of start old as aust, as old situations that have blown up spectacularly in the face of america. and we're still paying for it today. you know, people that bought it and probably look at those and use and put them on the score sheet on one side, on the other side. they think, well, yeah, but you know, we did really what i need to solve it. that was a great victory for us. and we also one stopped laughing we want and that's gonna start in a, you know, i'm in the service pulls out, you know, they believe this. yeah, yeah, but i mean, but the certainly biology i'm sorry you shouldn't said you have a slot because it got george in the book. i know i got the same of them. so email pretty quick sending a site so i, i the mother, they qualify it by saying that the, that's what they think. and that's the question, but i do right. but yeah,

so and again, well, i need to ask so that they don't even know the real history. no, i don't know that, but they do see that as the, the, the power of the i'm of how you trigger conflicts. then you pretend to be the uh, you know, the, the peacemaker, the one who's going to resolve the conflict. and then of course, you know, you do that. you basically just a big, big glass of late everything and keep it nicely bubbling along. i mean the as a to because even now, so the way to the united states or nato is continually threatening to get back in, you know, the batch. the recalcitrant serves the cost of, oh, well, the recalcitrant sub zone in boss and that's, it got enough. let's, i can certainly look like do you think that's because it would be an easy victory. they do this, even though there's an easy victory, and i think the bit what drives so many of these interventions see is that, um they the,

the united states things that they can get an easy fix for. and then they can simply ship the costs onto uh somebody else. and that's really what the formula has been in ukraine, which is that, well, we can just simply raise the costs to them. you know, that's what we did in i've got is um, in the 19 age, is that what is relatively cost free for us? it's quite costly for them and i think that's, that's what drives these interventions. the problem i think is that ukraine is different from ask and his son, and i think is that they, americans have been from the stop playing a very dangerous game. and uh i, i don't, i don't see it move any, any sign that they, they want to stop with this, particularly as um this, this is what by them is about by vitamin is just simply is illogical creature. you know, he, you know, he's the, is his driven by this, this, the money can view of the world grand. when you really buy that, then you just don't stall and i don't,

i just don't see any of the kind of restraint. do you mind if i did with with chrome, trump, what i think the more straight i don't see this with by them. well martin you live in the area. that is, is our entire life of the ball. a child literally steer um, what are your tea leaves fit for 2024 and then in the middle east, because there's so many moving pieces right now. you've already mentioned a number of them. but if, if there is the perception that the united states is a paper tiger, which i think we should be careful about, that there were aircraft carriers and bonds and ask some people a gas. it does not pay for tiger. but with the perception of the united states as a decision maker, what is i think, how do you see 2024 play? you know, i believe the, i don't, i don't have anything posted to say about it, and i, there is a waiting game going on with many, many our abilities, you know, but the whole issue garza has driven a wedge, right? so, so i made the region much, much more in security now because you call those on one side,

you will passionately some more and down in support of the of, of the settings. because those who were banging the drum for a long time and pretends to be so bold as persons and now for them virus and every know which way to turn like the sound is when you go to the others who are in the way into deep and they're going to stick right to the very end and support israel like morocco, an amorous. so, um, you know, it, ara believe me, things are going to be very interesting. you know, they, they will, they will, um, synonymous before with some sort of photographs on the internet. of midnight guys holding a sleep, you know, sometimes even with custody on the front of the room, waste goes up. no disrespect to waste because they're of the refund institution. but um, you know, the last minute question of how the, the middle east is going to shape up. it's going to be more fractured, more and stable, unstable, and more vulnerable to super powers. i'm putting those out there in the well,

hold on to that. that's my last question before that time is that, is that an increase the leverage of the united states or decrease it as well? i, i don't, i don't see any increase leverage from america. you know, it's not, not under the button administration the next. now if you're in with the waiting game i referred to as well, so i'll come back because many g sincerely, those are just waiting for that. they see trump not as a silver bullet, but they see the they see him as a guy that can work with and they can't work. we buy them. and you know, and that's reason i think that's we were talking earlier about how good we've got a long time gentlemen, before we can get to january of next year. one year lock can happen as all the time we have what i think my guess, and in budapest and america sion, of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time . and remember, across buckles,

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