is the international the people are living in rid take nightmare. food and water are running out. the city for the aid is needed to meet desperate needs. now the just doesn't matter to us any more if it's salty, water for drinking water with medicine to us at this point is to help in any way the price is what time does the hours minister the we mean did the saving situation in the gun?

the strip is not an easy one. we know that there are a lot of challenges. we know the guys don't have a lot of difficulties that i can say there is no humanitarian crisis seem to get us through the limits. on the serious challenges we are facing in the shelter, firstly is the lack of toilets, which is incredibly inconvenient and secondly, the scarcity of food supplies. we also suffer from my lack of drinking water. i'm clean water for washing cooking utensils with fourthly, we face and accumulation of waste all around this. there's no cleanliness in what

to reach since by transporting without being an sterile container. so barrels, so the water becomes polluted and causes diseases in idols and children when drinking at the right, keeping a focus on israel's operation and gas. and next here on our tv is peter and guest. the dates of the idea of sanctions against b and 50 people actually does constitute a gym to like us prost talk the

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter level to buy ministration is slammed south africa's genocide case against israel as merit was. this begs the following question, then what is happening in god's, if not a genocide, secretary of state blinking says the civilian, dest whole, and god's is far too high? well, what should that number be? the process king, palestine i'm joined by my guess and drugs you

a coffee at all in washington d. c o of golf state analytics in new york. we have line on he is a legal and media analyst. right. gentleman cross lock rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate why no, let me go to you 1st here. i mean, you're a legal person. you, you have a legal background. i and thank goodness you have a media one as well. um, you know, i'm not a lawyer. i looked at people like you to help me out understand the law. i know the procedures that they do and how to approach the international court of justice. but i've seen hundreds and hundreds of hours of coverage inside of gaza. okay. not from tel aviv, um, hotels not from the the the suburbs of washington dc in new york. okay. i've seen hundreds of our if that's not a genocide, is blinking claims. it's merritt list, but what is that? it's a couple of things here. first,

the genocide that people may think in terms of, uh, i don't wanna say colloquialism but, but when you think of the, the holocaust or ro, wanda, under the statute, we're talking about the genocide convention of 1948. it's a different, it's a different standard. we get done in the brass tax the, the gravamen, if you will, the real issue and what is real in particular and their legal team should be looking at. one of the problems that's always seen is intent. and you're going to hear this a lot. was there and into just because there's, there's, there's horrors, just because there's death. sometimes war might be entered into for valid reasons and there's collateral damage, etc, etc. but the question is, how do you were stablish intent what they're going to show? and by the way, keep in mind, south africa, the bricks country, who by the way, no, it's a little bit about a par, tied in others. but what they're going to show is by virtue of the statements made

to from general's, from media personalities from representatives. the words from them themselves are going to indicate something that was far more dastardly, far more grievous and something that is not quote collateral damage. that's going to be critical of this prosecution in proving intent. their words will indict them . well, i don't care if i can go back, go to you in washington. i've read the south african brief. i think they have like 15 pages of, as lionel is pointed out to us in 10th about statements from politicians, from general's, the even the president of israel, himself. and it looks quite there's a lot of intention to wait. i read it not being a legal person, but it least in my, in my, in my estimation, they have made a case for intention. your thoughts? yeah, well i am not the lawyer or a legal expert,

but i think when you look at the facts on the ground and you look at the consequences of the israel's actions in gaza. and as my colleague mentioned, when you look at the statements from is really officials you know, talking about the complete siege to rhetoric about human animals, talk about turning gods up into another alphabets. this in my opinion, makes the south african case a slam dunk one. i have a very difficult time understanding how people can look at what israel has been doing in causes since october 7th is c as something as c is anything other than a genocide. the reasons people deny it have to do with politics. but waiting for the politics aside. that's right. and you look at the facts. i don't think there's a lot or that's my view. well, you, you, the jcl brings, i've

a really good point line on because if you look at the judges on this tribunal and it's by a nation state and it shows you has already pointed it out and it's going to get down to politics. what nation state supports this and doesn't, and if we, if it comes to that and it probably will come to that, that it de legitimizes the court itself. and then where do we go from there, lionel? up till now that peter look at how claims such as genocide had been handled in the past. almost so yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah, something happened. i'm telling you there's 2 events, and in my recent history, september the 11th 2001 october, the 7th, 2023. the world change. everything changed everything into including the way this is handled the way it's addressed. because there's somebody which is so different in the old days, if there was a skirmish or some type of activity with from us the way the media covered, it was a israel. what response people would say,

well they but right to self defense and what pretty much go away. this changed and this was not, we're going to go after how much but to the perhaps on train i, it looks like you're talking about eliminating, not only a people but a land, but an area. you know how the cost is what the, when you want to basically remove and vaporize of people when you want to upset them, exit them evict to them. you can argue about, and this is, i can't believe we as humans are doing this. we don't want to kill all of them, the race of the palace and you, we merely want them to leave. and now we're talking about splitting hairs. but under the definition of genocide and others as well that may qualify as well. it comes down to the statutes and it comes down to what's proved and intent, which i say again, it shows you, i think all of us are getting a bit tired of the good cop bad cop routine, that the secretary of state is playing every time he visits the region if he's

ending achieve any success the 1st time. why is that gone back? what for the 4th or 5th time and just it just the the say face, okay, because it's good cop bad cop thing isn't going anywhere whatsoever. but the whole world knows in israel, particularly knows, is that the united states can turn, turn off the speakers of arms and money in a nano 2nd. and it won't, that's what's on trial here. go ahead a, hey, agree that this statement is from blinking, and others and the bite in it ministration about how they're very sorry for the palestinian dest site. i, i don't find any of it genuine. and i don't think anyone in the region really finds that genuine. obviously the united states has the leverage to pressure is real into immediately accepting a ceasefire because of political reasons. the us is not doing that. and i think one of the reasons that explains why blinking is going back to the region so frequently and putting on this show. it's not only about us domestic

politics, but us domestic politics is a factor. there is growing law position among the american population to washington is the iron clad support for israel's war on guys up. and i think the binding the administration wants to be seen as being on record. having told these really leadership, you need to take 7 car to young, don't action, speak more than words. and that's what the all about keep going, my friend go ahead as well. yeah. again it's, it's not genuine. and i don't think any serious person sees this as genuine on the part of blinking or other figures, but it's far giving it to attempt to portray the buying in administration. officials as the adults in the room, we're trying to rain is result in. we all know that as long as the binding administration gives us israel know ultimatums, no red lines,

there's no conditioning of a. there's no reason to expect is real to change its behavior. we should also point out that even in previous us, presidents were very pro israel, ronald reagan, george w bush, the these real red lines, binding the hazards. i think this is the most pro is real us and ministration we've ever had it. and by that, i'm not saying doing things that are in the interests of israel, because i would argue that what the us is doing is not in the long term interests of israel. but what it means is most aligned with the israeli government of the day . well also, i don't think you live in line or maybe you can correct me if i'm wrong here, but i didn't. i don't think any american president is openly said, i'm a zionist, like joe biden has like, i don't think the, by me ministration understands the implications globally when the president comes out and speaks like that line on it with domestic politics have already been

brought up. um, yeah, true or false. biden is chosen his donors over his base. oh absolutely. in fact, a couple of things here. you bring up a very good point. i hate to bring up the political aspect, but there's no way to to miss it. you know, gentleman i, there are people. if i didn't know better, i would think that sometimes non yahoo and button are living 40 years in the past. they don't know anything about social media. they don't know about platforms yet. they're living in the world. imagine you are not ever in a room right now and we're watching the lawrence welk orchestra. i'm dating myself . and i'm say, wait a minute, i got up and in the next room, there's one stock. this is the world and we live in kind of a full fox news kind of a little where people are saying the same idea. it's almost like there's a 4 point thing if you will, has a right to defend yourself. after all this, about how much the human shields and the completely flies in the face of what i say, the world,

the world. i'll turn out if you had told me anything and bobby international criminal course, we take out please that some titular pro forma academic debating society that change in new york. we have, we are seeing a demonstration after demonstration and is also permeated into the, the ivy league. colleges and that has been completely hide yet. no, i don't think they have any idea. and what the question is, is, is donald trump going to maintain this is i believe, gavin newsome who is going to be handed across, is he going to maintain this good by democratic base? because the rank and file, the actual liberal progressive group, which has nothing to do, was it like the right or big ring that before we go to the printer line on one of the interesting things always pointed out to me, i think it was from max blumenthal and the grade zone is that you start paying attention to what it said, in hebrew, in israel, not what they say in english to the rest of the world. then you get

a very good idea of what they are intentionality is. and i, and i think that, you know, with the, the, the even netanyahu's being embarrassed by his own a coalition partners for it because it's the big guy even after the south african brief, more and more statements could be added. so hebrew versus english line or before we go to the break, a still gradually, correct. let me just say one thing. uh, a couple of years ago. individuals like you mentioned max boom with all the other people that were very, very popular. it certainly had their fan base are now enjoying not a fat and not a of a fan base, but and a for a day. yeah. version. yes. yeah, i cannot. i am watching me personally people that a couple of years ago i would have thought, well i'm, i'm not the biggest fan now there my go to it and we're finding nan had and we and norman critical scene is come back. okay. all right, gentlemen, we're good, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, well can you continue?

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and now we're joined by professor mohammed mirandi intern, and he's a professor at the university of try and welcome to the program professor, professor, one of the things that we talked about in the 1st part of the program is the, the and rhetoric coming out of i of, of, of israel and out of the by didn't ministration year and about the genocide case against israel. i want to broaden it out a little bit here. i mean, it's a you, it's hard not to notice that the country is joining south africa are all from the global south. so we have the west versus the global south again. and as our guests in washington, d. c, a, d c pointed out, is all going to get down to politics, nation states on this court here, and it's going to be the west against everybody else. they, they, they, they don't seem to understand how much they are alienating the rest of the world. and the way things are going, i don't think anyone's gonna say will based order ever ever again. thank god. go

ahead into that. yes, it's a lose lose situation for the wes from the very beginning they were on board with the genocide. they try to make this about october, the 7th, and to pretend that history began on october the 7th. but we live in a different world. today's the global south. they have their own local media and people in social media are talking about the history of palestine. what's been going on and gaza for the last 15 years. the constant air strikes and mass killings that we've seen over the years in gaza. so people see the world, and they see cause a different than before. they are getting their information from the different sources. so the west is seen as implicated as they've been supporting this way in the machine. and kirby again has said that the u. s. as opposed to a cease fire,

so the west is hitting it and it's not just the united states. a european is by remaining quiet or obedience. they are losing disliked americans. and then on the other hand, or if, if the israelis are condemned, if the judges take a stance against is riley regime, then it's a loss for this ran these. but if they don't, and the politics get in the way, as you alluded to, then the so called international order takes another hit and did the hold of you and the whole un security council. all of the institutions are we tend to even further. and i think that which is the world further towards regional institutions, it, it makes people look, it breaks more seriously. the same type operation, organization more seriously and other organizations because they see that the un simply cannot be reform. well, it's hard to say, oh, in washington, it said,

we all have to point out, it wasn't the you in that spearheaded this. i know that there was a site know you need one of the member states of the united nations to do it. now they have the infrastructure at the united nations, but about the prevention of genocide. they were very quiet, remarkably or on. remarkably, how you look at it shows you another thing that's really interesting to me in a line all it is been very gracious to come on week after week to discuss this. we've discussed many times be awareness issue. it's just, i'm, i'm amazed by i'm amazed by how much more awareness so because i remember after october 7th, i just, i know what's going to happen. we all know what's going to happen. it will be brushed aside. i was very, very wrong and i'm very glad to admit when i'm wrong, because the awareness around the world which, which they do a juxtaposition here, where all the protest, where's the money for ukraine, they don't exist. but where are the protests all across the western world? even an american jews, that i know personally, they don't usually go out and protest, they protest, okay,

not in my name and never again. and i think that's a real lesson for us. all. that is really something that is professor mirandi is already alluded to. the west is out of touch with the rest of the world and even with their own publics. go ahead in washington. well, i think you're absolutely right. this narrative that what these real has been doing in gaza is all about defending these real, or it's all about going after from us as opposed to the people of guys a, this is in the or it see is it is really rejected throughout the global cells and as you rightly point out, even here in the united states, so it's a huge segment of the population that also rejects that type of propaganda. i think what is clear is that there is a real divide between policy makers in the global north in by that i mean obviously united states in western europe in those of the global south. it's not just the or if it is mommy world, if you go to africa, south america, you see

a very strong opposition to what israel is doing from very prominent leaders such as the leader of brazil. for example. this is the case that talk to are 7, it's was a moment and they did a lot to i think it's the seller rates is bifurcation between the global even worse and the global south when it comes to some of these information back. this is really remarkable. how deep this divide is, it's almost like leaders. it, many leaders in western europe in north america are talking about a completely different conflicts. yeah. in what leaders in the global south are talking about that that's, it is amazing observation. i agree with you completely. if you look at the broad shapes in new york times, washington post, say a wall street journal, they're not talk to you about the conflict that all of us are watching in real time . and that's what, that's what so infuriating is because, you know, you,

we could go through the weapons of mass destruction, all we made a mistake, you know, that was an oversight, you know, and then you know, the russia gate hoax, you know, no one's apologize for this but they don't even apologize now for what for blayton lies, they think they go all of you better aware of the systematic rape on october 7th, which has been completely debunked. ok line on. i mean, this is that division. it's not only between the leads and public seer, it's what we're, you know, it's what's true and what's false. go ahead line. oh, i scott fitzgerald said that little lies are hard to keep under wraps. but big lies are easy because of are in crude jewelry. yeah, you mentioned the right 11 thing i found out which is very interesting. and if there's gotta be a name for this, like the mandela effect or something, i don't know. but if i come up with a story that is show her riffing involving please forgive me decapitation rape.

different bomb and vis or ration burning. children babies, infants, incubators, name it. if i come up with something and let's assume, argue, endo, just for the sake of argument, that is all false. and you want to refute that. the 1st thing i'm going to say is how dear you, your, to, because of the level the degree of, let's say, the lie. i don't know about you, but i have the certain people in my lives who have been perennially clueless. and i have heard more friends and people that i know could people say i had no idea. yeah . and what you're seeing is this, this blood brain barrier between the new york times and conventional legacy media and the rest of the world. there is a collision. let me tell you something when, when this is resolved, say good bye to washington, publish new york times. i mean, they're all ready on their death bed. but this is, this, is it. you're going to see a, a complete transsmart verification of,

of people in the news media and platforms you've never heard of. and everything has changed for the better. i hope. well, after. yeah, well hopefully it gets better at some point that, but that's not going to happen any time soon, professor mirandi and trend. but from a kind of a looking at how this conflict backed by the united states is continuing. you know, we have this clueless clown named blank and going around. i don't know what he's doing. seriously. i don't think anybody's taking him very seriously. but i think the united states is on board for an escalation of this. they say just the opposite, whatever they say it probably is the opposite. i think the right wing government under net and yeah, we sees this is an opportunity to solve a lot of problems in their mind. gaza a moss has the law to around. i think these people get to think big because it was all of it's good across down upon him. otherwise go ahead. it's what i'm really worried about this escalation. and i think that the reason why he's traveling,

you say that he wants to buy time for this rates and he wants the united states to be seen is trying to solve the problem. but when the united states, as opposed to a cease fire, the world is going to see things as it is as we've been discussing already. and i just want to give you an example. remember, we all remember that when they want the united states wanted to attack iraq over kuwait, we had the incubators. yep. and when they spoke about the babies being thrown out of the incubators, they convinced a lot of people that they have to go to war. now this time over a bit, but professor mirandi but the, the israelis did for us children, the babies out of incubators and gods. that is that doctor that is documented that is document, sorry to interrupt, continue. that is exactly what i was going to get to. and that is that this time

around, even though social media is satisfied even though that algorithms are all read in the favor of the establishment and as well as soon this is randy's actually do commit atrocities with babies and incubators, a comes out or when the new york times, as well as alluded to, claims makes ranges, claims about mass rate to reporters who you one you named max blumenthal in particular and i'm a to when they go after the new york times, the able to discredited decide all the. yeah. where it was the, what is this gutter man? what's his date? what's the guy that wrote that article apparently is just disappeared off the face of the earth. the. yeah, so now the washington post apparently wants to do it shit. these on least 2 young reporters, both jewish and both 0. i think the truck day preemptive that, hit the spies. calling the reporter on the phone and humiliating hers. the world

has changed. so the united states is ready to redeem, move towards the escalation is going to get worse. not only what will they be defeated on the battlefield because hezbollah as far stronger than from us, they are not surround it. they have enormous potential and sato law before the i mean the, all the forces they have, they've been building up their underground networks that are far more advanced than what, how moss has and that small territory. and there's send progressive mirandi. that's why they want to pull the united states and they want the united states to do the, the, they have the heavy work and the man called joe biden, the great design just in the white house. he might just do it last 22nd. why? and that's why it's i, people should start opening their eyes. it's not only is the existence of it as well. detrimental to western interest, but there's right. the resume is actually willing to sacrifice the west for itself

. he wants to get americans killed. he wants to destroy the western economies for its own sake. it's not to be or not a part of the west. they're bringing down the west. they've destroyed the credibility of the west. people across the world are blaming the west for this genocide. and these riley's, all they do is they turn out the atrocities and make the united states pay the price when it, when it's so we're going to see it. that's good, that's a project. and i think you go to the bank with the gentleman. that's all the time we have one to think, my guess until around washington and in new york. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember, press stop, rules the the, [000:00:00;00]

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