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is but also to his desk, his bombing should serve as a very, very stock warning that the freedom of speech and democracy in the west is nothing but that service is nothing but an illusion. they will not deliver. they will not assist you. if you go against the narrative that regime hold, that is our run down, all the news, this stuff say so fall. but we all had to go over to should were tons the into 5 for an episode of going underground for now active as of right to, to reach out a told scars on the west side of the i'm action or times here. welcome back to going underground broadcast to go around the world from the middle east, on the thomas, just as we all know,
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millions killed during the 1st world war. the irony of west and power is refusing to simple disease 5 in palestine after the killing of over $10000.00 in the besieged gaza strip is clear. demonstrations are ongoing today old, around the world against nature, nation leaders funding this military new continue to dismiss, please from not just be un secretary general but aid agencies, human rights lawyers and the people started calling us forward against imperial was all his life. the oldest play, right. tv and film produce a historian, friend of the late john lennon and celebrated in the rolling stones as street fighting many joins to be from london. its web tens of thousands on the streets to end the days or nation on bombing of gaza. tag, thanks so much for coming back on the bus today. i know it was a week or so ago, but to tell me why you are celebrating the institutionally corrupt. i think there was a role in the recent report and its just me races famously, scotland yard today as a much for bes, this. when i finished slow to every j,
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that one has to same public. the find gold, we have a police chief metropolitan police commissioner who refuses to accept extremely rash and its pre missed advice from the home secretary as well. uh a bravo. uh and uh it's, it's fantastic, but the police have done this because they know a, that all montrose in going anywhere near the send that to be the senate off events would be over and see it's impossible to stop because they're predicting nearly half a 1000000 people to be present today, we will get the comp, but it was a crazy attempt to stop it tonight. i'm very glad people are out on the streets. yeah, one of the front lockers fronts tried to ban the demonstrations and the united states, of course, has that constitution which guarantees the right to demonstrate. but i suppose when
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you'd mentioned these british politicians, it may not be no, no around the world. why is it that politicians, van politicians in west and europe learn politicians in the united states seem to echo what i asked professor, you learn pop a on last week, show the echo, the lack of compassion for the people of cause of what, why is this when i clicked on the case of berkeley, it's very clear as for a very long time now, and even more so of to the rock wall, which was a disaster for them. decided to back the united states and every single thing. and sometimes they say it openly. we've gone on for a ceasefire unless we get the green light to do so from the united states. i. if, when the united states does that, we will, we will follow them. so they behave on the television screens and,
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and the media in general is people who don't care about anything. i mean, how can you remain inside that when you see houses and thousands of people being killed over the last few weeks. so can you and style i'm of the lea, a circle lead or a c o position just as bad is the prime minister. and lots of labor bond to counselors are resigning from the labor party in. busy so for instance, labor has lost its majority on the con, so because of selma's positions on gaza, it's one thing they had never felt that there won't be another form resistance that it will take on the q a stature in the world. and that is why they would not be seen is livingston, but the palestinians. and this they haven't guaranteed for they thought it was over . mention you how going to the united nations and trying
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a map of the all to buy the west bank and gaza and saying this is bob of the michael please. right, that's how arrogant this far right government to me is ready to go up and the united states refused to stop it. they went alone with this because the only power in the world who could stop is through, within a 24 hours as the united states. when the same week on the line and they've done this all of sudden, uh you, you recall in 1957 when is read 1st occupied cuz the preston dies in the hall, who was the president and asked them to get out. they've been there for 4 months. they proved barricaded. it needs fractions, sanctions. within a few weeks there are outro casa, so there's a very dependent on the united states, despite these resulting. and if the bank to go on and why does say we need you get out quickly,
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they will do the low some of that. they want me just mean if they didn't, they'd be threatened them that create a new crisis in is right. and then bring matching young. well, i them, how comes up by and, and the question i will ask you more about the, the us s eisenhower a warship being sent to actually, rather than what happened in the 1950s, is there a real blow back tension between the people versus the leads that run these countries in western europe. i know with vietnam, harold wilson didn't do what the united states wanted them to do as regards vietnam, which you of course, suppose they must be in the sixty's today. i mean, the whole, the west of new york is on side firmly with the washington is foreign policy. and yet the people seem completely out of step with their leaders. this codes and these opinion phones and brooklyn. now for the last 4 weeks of jones, 17 percent in favor of an immediate cease fire,
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which is huge. so what is affecting is that democratic functioning in the western countries. the u. n. b, u k, is being affected because what they're saying to their own people is we're going to carry on doing this. the people are saying we with the girl consent from you for doing this. and this thing we don't get. so we'll see what happens with it'll be published in the election. so people will difficult, but it's noticeable now in every single european country, including france and germany, the band, the demonstrations, the governments of being forced to step back and let me, you extending stations every read brooklyn has been amazing on this. and that's partially because we set up the stop the we'll go live from them. but by this time, southern guarantee campaign is being in action for a long, long time. and they could mobilize very false law justin long to where they've been
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a huge demos and a huge demos, but in the provincial capital's, in, in glasgow, in manchester and god is elsewhere. large numbers of people have come up with 2 countries in your that's are exceptional us spin and i'm and which of come out for immediate sanction. busy and a cabinet minister in spain has gold phone that in young to be arrested by the criminal colton. charged with the war crimes of the arab was, of course, we know is a disaster story as far as the rules. okay. before we go on to the global call, you might have to say of the queen of georgia. she has spoken of very effective which again, salt is going on and goes on 4 months to okay, but uh, given how much uh, we'll know about the propaganda model and our best wishes to know. i'm chomsky i
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understand he's not well at the moment of how is it this consciousness about what is happening in gaza? the palestine question itself has a is there in western europe and the united states? if the circle is a low b, which involves music events, celebrities were coming out from palestine, but that's it. all the stuff, some celebrities coming over its influence on publishing, on literature on as i said, music on film, how is it the public know what's wrong and what's right here as well? there are 2 reasons for this, in my opinion, and the existence of non western media. i would say i, which is a rise between both on this front that you have known west and television stations, both in your up in the middle east and the china. you know, the chinese boat cost as do,
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which are showing different images. some that's very important. which is why wouldn't blink come recently when to cut the. he also got the really does to control bring know just so you're on the control. but they, they don't even want to do it and they don't to go to see your eyes. so the jewel in the chrome of these gulf states, whether they like it or not. so i just eat her as being important in the name to americans to be named both alternative images coming in from the bathroom fields, which are very different from what has been shown by the b b, c and i tv channels. and secondly, even the young know the base something deeply on just about the treatment of palestinians by the is really the deals side, holocaust effect is wearing off the account to use that sent to me as they did for many,
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many decades. some of the profiles batches and these amazing demonstrations by young american jewish kids bearing pro, by this time the banners calling for a ceasefire, occupying grand central station, or to find the lobbies of the house of representatives. that's very mostly so when their own people simple, they took for granted, like the young, jewish population of the united states are all fairly sizeable chunk. also start operating like this, then there is reason for them to panic because it means you've gone. depends on this for me to my stronger because it doesn't stop the mainstream news channels, corporate news channels, no mainstream talking about isis. i'm comparing, i'm off choices. i mean, do you think there are similarities between the u. k. u. s. west and your b u. and how is this given there arming the bombing of gaza rather than have us hearing body rises? um the length. so fee is gone crazy with isis. i mean,
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in terms of our technology that we see the images and seemingly the hospitals being blown up and then to me blinking then the snack controlled, saying we've got to not have these 5. i know what i mean the, the reason they don't want to see side because it means a frontal complication. when i mentioned you, when is government and the blaming of commerce. as a bit ingenious, who, i mean, you know, this is not enrolled and started on october, the 7th. this as a role that has started many, many decades ago and october. the 7th is just one phase of the will liberation movements act according to their own with their own strategy. those and solidarity with the palestinians gone justified everything down that they don't need to. lots they are, they're mounting and what we are demanding is
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a fan just settlement in palestine. and that means really does mean that the set gloves on to buy these ready government. we now know and going creating, met him where the on the west bank has to be booted out. that's as the as the basis for a 17 month data set, plus back to your bought off. uh, uh, is right. and otherwise, how can they ever get an independent state, which in any event the made them you know, government diamond spring just as of have no really interested and grunting a tool. they sold that, hide it in the back. and then up to it was a 2nd problem which was a big strategic blow for them. don't underestimate it on the golf. say, no, we're good to know how much that there is. no, that is going on with these big demonstrations. very few people are saying how much
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is to blame, even though people attack the uh, the weights that dealt with the uh, the boats and etc. but no one serious is saying they are the own suitcase. accept the if a government still exists and pro government media in the west because every one of those smart troops, tired calling out. stop you. the more from the renowned writer whose latest book is winston churchill, his times his crimes. after this break, the the, there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon, this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say,
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we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. some of the living will not have very close propaganda. you know price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask the better. the answer is will be the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the new left reviews, tired calling. sorry. we were talking about adult toby, the 7th and history, not beginning of october. this happened during the story and as well, you know how important it is. that's a powerful often try to we raise history. do you think the japanese own financial times recognize that when they compare the resistance movements about assuming
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resistance moving to the vet and then these resistance move. but i don't think whether they understood that the means actually one that for that is that why these riley's are not going in and then ground defensive uh, as a circle of military analysts on. so go mainstream media have been telling us for weeks. these really don't want to lose too many of their searches. adoption, this is a way is being a big priority for is read the number of people of jewish origin overdues they can keep in is right and losing even 11 prime is to said tech. it's a goes 10 to many. so when they say this is the, was crisis since the holocaust, that's rough. expedite certainly is the worst prices since 1948 and been met about when there was a resistance lead. largely, and unfortunately the state by arab monarchs and kings on the british control. and
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it didn't work. so the, that is the fact. so they cry and cover for their losses. and for them to go in and try not to buy the whole of casa and estimate lead cleanse, or genocide of the stadiums want to lease a brand to a conflict. i think, despite that talks with the united states, the secret adults, the radians would not be able to be passable. the out effect conflicts because you know, has been done not just during the and stooges, they are also a major political force in lebanon. so once you have the war being expanded by these riley's troops sending him there around me in taking godsa effectively, it won't stop there. and some of the most serious is really general serenity to
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aware of states. they won't say they have to say it off to 0, try out, which is the way they do it. but um that's, i think is a, is a why they're telling this because you know how much and it said lives in because i have been prepared for this. they didn't do this thinking it go, don't go waste. i'm going to be there for bed for the long haul. well it's definitely center stage of game when it was thought to have been forgotten. we could jake sullivan, national security adviser, claiming that piece of being brought to the middle east a few weeks before october. the 7th, what all these u. s. s. warships aircraft carrier, i mean, also israel was the united states, as eric, rav carrier recruiting, secret documents. what is the eisenhower and the general for doing these images draining? what i mean to function is to 8, so shopped across the about the radians to say, to the uranium look,
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here we are. if the uranium state intervenes in any way, which by the way, i think is extremely unlikely. but we're here to defend is true. but also, it's the same to hezbollah. we're here. and if you now go into this water trying to help the palestinians, you have us to deal with what the americans with said this before. and one of the biggest, as us troops actually was in the lab and them as some decades ago, women in tie a marine bass and the country was blown up. so it's made the more careful so they can say this, they can destroy countries. but in a hand time fighting and commandos and marines on the ground, it's not at all show old way venmo has spelled out. they can destroy them, and them from the, i mean get destroyed. many countries full thoughts of many cities in that way.
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but it will then make things difficult for those or line to the united states. i mean, on the one hand, the united states have been crying very out the to try and get. so some of the saudi arabia and others that will reduce and see it recognizes, right? this is hold to that process. i mean, even in the matter of the increase they're considering whether to maintain relations with his or of the south african, the so the sense be invested of that good and like in american countries, 3 or 4 have broken off relations. so it's not going well on that level. so they have to bands, as in mind because they've already, the ukraine thing. isolated them with the the, as far as the south is concerned, even india, which is very pro the united states, refused to back sanctions against russia. as did most of africa and many of the
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country, so that, that should be defined between the old and present colonial boss and the rest of the war. this thing will be even bigger because if they ask and they go, if they use american troops, don't bank. com. c, c to basically a lot, because egypt is in a rage at the moment because of what's going on in reggie and even in the way of present. and by them have you ever heard of an egyptian president since egyptian independence refusing to meet the sitting you as president? i think the reason for that is that they will objections from others. the jordanian king was very angry and he said he was the 1st to say, i don't want to sit down up to table with these people and then it became difficult for the others to say no, but we're happy to sit down with them. i know me the other day, a boss,
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this public president of the palestinian no authority was shaking hands with blink. i mean, they're shameless, the business to noon and authority. and that's the other side which we haven't discussed, i've shown is that the fracturing of the resistance of to the ultimate goal. well, it's a huge blow for palestinian liberation. and despite the take requests from within his own rides, a bus refuses to go mean be a huge difference. and i'm, and i probably was the president of the piano and not to this old guy who was gets, you know, plump i'm blown, buys the money, get the balls and building that our own homes and houses, ignoring the needs of the palestinians. collaborating, looking up at his pinions. this showed the end to now. yeah,
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people can watch our interview. we had on our trial, we abbas has never, never come on. and of course is paid by the israelis a and the americans. but then on guerrilla warfare, i, they, they, they struck afghanistan, you've written about, i've gotten this done with war planes and still, guerrilla warfare beat the americans, can guerrilla warfare in palestine and in the region, beats biden's, the navy and air forces that are all being summoned to some saying the largest dom, either in history though, in this region, can they be beaten? i think the largest armada is largely gathering to show people back home and these royalties, where would you go inquiry? we will safe got you. but since no one is actually in the system, so if it's right, it's likely info the stairs low. this notion that is right,
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unless i'm on to practice crazy. it's a new clean state inside the to the teeth by the united states and the european union. there's no equality between them and the palestinians. i told them i don't want them to file with the 6, not just telling me in the work. so one of it was threatening to nobody. so this is affective, be sarah and fear tactics on the arabs. the, you know, we're here we back is really well if you're here and you come out of your shapes and you go on the land. yeah, they will be all sorts of warfare icon predicted. i'm not going be, you know, confidence of the people, the 5 mean i don't deal with them, but there's bound to be something like that. and you end up on this style where they had you. uh, they was good off um the bones place and detonate
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displays from the roads, etc, which just did the goals guy from the on the best inside operation enduring freedom. you remember that was cold and the same. what happened in the middle east, if they go in just like that because they assume of that of egypt to remain loyal to c, c. and c, c does as well. and the repression in egypt already is at its highest levels. much, much was then under the host name about a country. so, but that doesn't work. you know, numbers count. so if you have a 1000000 people on the streets, you begin to break up the police and you begin to break up the only because with so many 1000000. so they have relations there for people. they have relations or policeman, their relation of law. so joe's and slowly those things, friends,
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that's what happened in many places in ad julia in vietnam and the other liberation struggles. and that was to help them in the middle east, if that's an escalation by the west. and just finally, really, i mean, arguably you only have so that can power over there in britain because israel helped to manipulate your general elections using the phrase anti semitism. do you think one other aspect of this terrible, terrible tragic tragedy him guys, is that at least how much is and can no longer be weaponized in the same way to alter the results of general elections in western europe and even in the united states. yeah, i agree with that. i think that uh what happened to it was a systematic attempt by the perfect state and the bulk of the above
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increased type of body and the conservative side of the media to make sure the whole big jeremy kobus was removed as nature of the labor party why? because of what's left to say, what's going on that head goldman be leader of the labor party. it's line would not have been what it is now. and the use devotees semitism, so called charges of 20 semitism. and even at that time, i said in public that jeremy made a huge mistake in accepting the h r c or whatever it's gold uh as the ave to what constitutes anti semitism. and they didn't find to back up the time and challenge them. but they come to that bad solve us. i mean, you know, people are defying storm a mean different parts of the country and they know they can't use that. they instead of trying to get rid of others who they don't like,
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but using that particular charge. now becomes very difficult here. and in the united states for the jewish kids who marched, i've shown real coverage. and so we speak further, jose no bikes. i mean, that's quite astonishing. so i think from that point of view of the southern guarantee movement road as being very positive in ending this. yeah. well, being denounced as mtc much di. thank you, and that's it for the show and condolences from the whole team here at going underground to those briefs by the ongoing violence in the middle east. there will be more guys on monday's show until then. keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not senses in your country and had to our channel going on, the ground tv on mobile don't come to what's new and old episodes of going underground. see monday the
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the phone, the wall hall the us? yes. again strikes? yeah. mens capital just out was off to you web security council, a much the team meeting on fridays initial attack. the outraged to the united states and his proxies documents in yemen may result in not only a fully fledged war in this country, for the conflict that can spread around the world must go denounces to cover nations strikes on. yeah, man, as right. plus. and the violation of international law, huge demonstrations are held across the world as people make that feelings clear about the west of bombing campaign on yemen. and going to the polls, taiwan and box on a paper to the election which couldn't read to find the items to chat with.

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