the the, [000:00:00;00] the, i'm action or times here, welcome back to going underground broadcast to go around the world from the middle east on the thomas, just as we all know, millions killed during the 1st world war. the irony of western powers refusing to

support disease 5 in palestine after the killing of over $10000.00 in the besieged cause and strip is clear. demonstrations are ongoing today all around the world against nature. nation leaders funding this military and who continued to dismiss please from not just the un secretary general, but aid agencies, human rights lawyers and the people. sorry golly. as for it against imperial was all his life. no less to play, ride tv and film produce the historian. friend of the late john lennon and celebrated in the rolling stones is street fighting many joins we from london. it's wet tens of thousands on the streets and the nature of nation on bombing of gaza. tag, thanks so much for coming back on the bus today. i know it was a week or so ago, but tell me why your celebrating the institutionally corrupt. i think there was a role in the recent report and it's usually races. famously, scotland yard today as a much for bes, it's when i finished slow to every day that one has to same public. that's fine golf. we have

a police chief metropolitan police commissioner who refuses to accept extremely rash and its pre missed advice from the home secretary as well. uh a bravo. mm. uh and it's, it's fantastic. the police have done this because they know a, that all montrose and going anywhere near the send that to be the send that off events would be over a m. c. it's impossible to stop because they're predicting nearly half a 1000000 people to be present. today we will get the comp, but it was a crazy attempt to stop it tonight. i'm very glad people are out on the streets. yeah, one of the front doctors fronts tried to bend the demonstrations that united states, of course, has that constitution which guarantees the right to demonstrate. but i suppose when you'd mentioned these british politicians, it may not be no,

no around the world. why is it that politicians, van politicians in western europe, learn politicians in the united states? seem to echo what i asked professor eli and pop a on last week. show the echo, the lack of compassion for the people of cause of what, why is this? when i think of a case of berkeley, it's very clear routine as for a very long time now and even more so after the iraq war, which was a disaster for them, decided to back the united states and every single thing. and sometimes they said openly, we got old for those seeds, fire, unless me gets the green light to do so from the united states. i, if the united states does that, we will, we will follow them. so they behave on the television screens and, and the media in general is people who don't care about anything. i mean,

how can you remain inside that when you see houses and thousands of people being killed over the last few weeks. so can you and style i'm of the lease, so go lead or steal position just as bad is the prime minister. and lots of labor about to counsellors are resigning from the labor party in. busy so for instance, late but has lost its majority on the com. so because of selma's positions on gaza, it's one thing they had never felt that there won't be another form of resistance that it will take on the q a stature in the world. and that is where they would not be seen is livingston, but the palestinians. and this they haven't guaranteed for they thought it was over . mention you how going to the united nations and trying to map of the all to buy

it west bank and gaza and saying this is bob of the map of his room. that's how arrogant this far right. the government to me is ready to golf and the united states refused to stop it. they went alone with this because the only power in the world who could stop is through, within a 24 hours as the united states. when they say we've gone be a lot and they've done this all of sudden, uh you, you recall in 1957 when is read 1st occupied casa preston dies in the hall, who is the president and asked them to get up. they've been there for 4 months. they prove eric dated. it needs preston, sanctions. within a few weeks there are out of to casa. so there's a very dependent on the united states despite these resulting. and it's the pentagon and white house said we need, you get out quickly, they will do the low some that they want as mean if they didn't, they'd be printing them that create

a new crisis in is right. and then bring matching young. well, i them, how comes up by, in a, in a question i will ask you more about the us s eisenhower a warship being sent to actually, rather than what happened in the 1950s. is there a real blow back tension between the people versus the leads that run these countries in western europe? i know with vietnam, harold wilson didn't do what the united states wanted them to do as regards vietnam, which you of course, suppose they must be in the sixty's today. i mean, the whole, the west of new york is on side firmly with washington's foreign policy. and yet the people seem completely out of step with that leave is a coach tree. and these opinion boats and brick, now for the last 4 weeks have shown 70 percent in favor of an immediate cease fire,

which is huge. so what is affecting is that democratic functioning in the western countries, the u. n. b, u k is being affected because what they're saying to their own people is we're going to carry on doing this. the people say we with the girl consent from you for doing this, and this thing we don't get. so we'll see what happens with it'll be published in the election. so people will left football. but it's noticeable now in every single european country, including france and germany, the band, the demonstrations, but got most of being forced to step back. and let me, you know, extend stations every right brooklyn has been amazing on business. and that's partially because we set up the stop the war coalition, the palestine southern america campaign is being in action for a long, long time. and they could mobilize very falls look just in london where they've

been huge demos and all huge demos. but in a provincial capital's, in, in glasgow, in manchester and god is elsewhere, large numbers of people have come up with 2 countries in europe that are exceptional, span and island, which have come up for him. a good sign and a cabinet minister in spain has gold phone there to know to be arrested by the criminal colton, charged with the war. crimes of the arab was, of course we know it as a disaster story as far as the religion. before we go onto the global call, you said you might have to say of the queen of georgia. she has spoken of very effective which again, salt is going on and goes on 4 months to okay, but uh, given how much uh, we'll know about the propaganda model. and our best wishes to know. i'm from ski,

i understand he's not well at the moment. how is it this conscious this about what is happening in gaza? the palestine question itself has a, is there in western europe and the united states? if the so called is a low b, which involves music events, celebrities were coming out from palestine. but that's going to stop some celebrities coming out for its influence on publishing, on literature on. as i said, music on film, how is it the public know what's wrong? and what's right you as well, there are 2 reasons for this in my opinion, and the existence of non western media. i would say i would just say rise between both on this front that you have known west and television stations, both in europe in the middle east. i'm in china, you know, the chinese boat cost as dukes which are showing different images. some that's very

important. which is why wouldn't blue come recently when to cut the he also got the really does to control bring no jersey or on the control, but they, they don't even want to do it and they don't to go to seniors. so the jewel in the chrome of these gulf states, whether they like it or not. so i just eat her as being important amendment to americans to be an important alternative images coming in from the bathroom fields, which are very different from what has been shown by the b b, c and i tv channels. and secondly, even, but i don't know the base something deeply on just about the treatment of palestinians by the is really the deals side. holocaust effect is wearing off steak on to use that cynically as they did for many, many decades in the proof of batches and these amazing demonstrations by young

american jewish kids during broke. by this time, the banners calling for a ceasefire, occupying grand central station to find the lobbies of the house of representatives . that's very mostly. so when their own people simple, they took for granted, like the young jewish population of the united states are all fairly sizeable chunk of stock operating like this. then there is reason for them to panic because it means you've gone. depends on this for me to my stronger because it doesn't stop the mainstream news channels, corporate news channels, no mainstream talking about isis. i'm comparing, i'm off to ices. i mean, do you think there are similarities between the u. k. u. s. west and your b. u. how is this given there? i mean, the bombing of gaza rather than have us getting body rises. um the length so fee is gone crazy. the ice is,

i mean in terms of our talent fee that we see the images and seemingly the hospitals being blown up and then to me blinking then the snack and showed saying, we've got to not have these 5 as i know what i mean the, the reason they don't want to see side because it means a function confrontation with the. i mentioned y'all, when is government and the blaming of how much that's a big thing. genius who i mean, you know, this is not a role that started on october, the 7th. this is a role that has started many, many decades ago and october, the 7th is just one phase of the will liberation movements to act according to their own with their own strategy. those and solo dyer came with the palestinians, gone justified everything down that they don't need to box. they are there mounting and what we are demanding is

a fan just settlement in palestine. and that means really does mean that the set flows on to buy these ready government. we now know i'm going to creating met him, where the on the west bank has to be booted out. that's is the basis for assessment date the set plus back to your box off. uh uh is right. and otherwise, how can they ever get an independent state, which in any event the may make them, you know, government and it's free to assess those have no really interested in grunting at all. they sold that, hide it in the back. and then october. the 2nd problem, which was a big strategic blow for them. don't underestimate it on the golf. say, no, we're good to know how most of the areas know that is going on with these big demonstrations . very few people are saying how much is to blame,

even though people attack the uh, the way in which they don't with the uh, the boats and etc. but no one serious is saying they are the also is accept the if the government still exists and bro, government media in the west because every one of those smart troops tie the, i'll stop you. the more from the renowned writer whose latest book is winston churchill, his times his crimes. after this break, the, the

question of the nuclear love seeing the muscles, if you look on the initial do while i pull up significantly post on zillow, will it be, you know, can use the body. what do you do origin by the office, the was done, the newest frame on the belief systems to good ludy what i see these the buses, the little cute little dyson says this tutorial on both of the welcome back to going underground. i was still here with the new left reviews, tire golly, start. we were talking about, i don't, toby, the 7th and history, not beginning of october. this happened during this story and as well, you know how important it is. that's a powerful often try to raise history. do you think the japanese own financial

times recognize that when they compare the resistance movements about assuming resistance move in to the event and then these resistance move, but i don't think whether they understood that the means actually one that for that is that why these riley's are not going in and then ground defensive as a so called military analysts on. so go mainstream media have been telling us for weeks these really don't want to lose too many of their searches. i'm sure, and this is in ways being a big priority for is read the number of people of jewish origin overdues they can keep in is right and losing even 11 prime is to said decades that goes 10 to many. so when they say this is the, was crisis since the holocaust, that's rough. expedite certainly is the worst prices since 1948 and been knuckleball when there was a resistance lead,

largely and unfortunately the battery of monarchs and kings on the british control . and it didn't work, so the, that is the fact, so they cry and cover for the losses. and for ben to go in and try not to buy the whole of casa and estimate lead cleanse, or genocide, and the stadiums want to lease a grant, a conflict, i think, despite that talks with the united states, the secret on the radians would not be able to be possible, the artifact conflicts because you know, has been done not just during the and stooges, they are also a major political force in lebanon. so once you have the war being expanded by these relays, prove sending him that wrong be in taking godsa effectively. it won't stop there

and some of the most serious is really general serenity to aware of space. they won't say they have to say it off to the ro tie out, which is the way they do it. but um that's, i think is a, is a why they're delaying this because, you know, i'm us and it's my, it's in does, i have been prepared for this. they didn't do this thinking a go don't go way suddenly. they have for bed for the long hold, while it's definitely center stage again when it was door to being forgotten, we could jake sullivan, national security adviser, claiming that piece of being brought to the middle east a few weeks before i grew up with the 7. what are these us, as well as ships aircraft carrier? i mean, also israel was the united states, as eric, rav carrier recruiting, secret documents. what is the eisenhower and the general for doing? and these images draining. what i mean? the function is to 8, so shopped across the about to the radians to say,

to the uranium. let's look here. we are. if the uranium state intervenes in any way, which by the way, i think is extremely unlikely. but we're here to defend is true, but also it's the same to has the way here. and if you know, go into this water trying to help the palestinians. you have us to deal with. was the americans of said this before. and one of the biggest assessed that's actually was in the lab and them as some decades ago when an entire marine bass in the country was blown up. so it's made the more careful so they can say this, they can destroy countries. but in a hand time fighting and come on those and marines on the ground, it's not a gold show. old way venmo has fuller. they can destroy them, and them from the mean get destroyed. many countries,

all thoughts of many cities in that way, but it will then make things difficult for those or line to the united states. i mean, on the one hand, the united states have been crying very out the to try and get. so solve the solve the ravia and others that will reduce and see it recognizes, right? this is hold to that process. i mean, even in the matter of the increase they're considering whether to maintain relations with his or of the south african, the so the sense be invested of that good and like in american countries, 3 or 4 have broken off relations. so it's not going well on that level. so they have to bands, as in mind because they've already, the ukraine thing. isolated them with the, the, as far as the south was concerned, the evil india, which is very pro the united states,

refused to back sanctions against russia as did most of africa and many of the country. so that, that showed the bid to bind between the old and present colonial pods and the rest of the war. this thing will be even bigger because if they ask and they go, if they use american troops, don't bank. com. c, c to basically a lot, because egypt is in a rage at the moment because of what's going on in reggie and even even the president by them have you ever heard of an egyptian president since egyptian independence refusing to meet the fitting us president? i think the reason for that is that the very well objections from others, the jordanian king was very angry and he said he was the 1st to say, i don't want to sit down at the table with these people and then it became difficult for the others. to say no,

but we're happy to sit down with them. i know me the other day, a boss this public president of the palestinian no authority was shaking hands with blink. i mean, they're shameless then the business to noon and authority. and that's the other side which we haven't discussed, i've shown is that the fracturing of the resistance of to the ultimate goal was huge blow for palestinian liberation. and despite the take requests from within his own rights abbas refuses to go mean be a huge difference. and i'm, and i probably was the president of the piano and not to this old guy who was gets, you know, plump i'm blown, buys the money, get the balls and building that around homes and houses, ignoring the needs of the palestinians. collaborating, locking up, adams,

damian's this to the end to now. yeah, people can watch our interview. we had on a trial, we abbas has never, never come on. and of course is paid by the israelis a and the americans. but then on guerrilla warfare, i, they, they, they struck afghanistan, you've written about, i've gotten this done with war planes and still, guerrilla warfare beat the americans, can guerrilla warfare in palestine and in the region, beats biden's, the navy and air forces that are all being summons so i'm saying the largest com either in history though, in this region, can they be beaten? i think the largest armada is largely gathering, to show people back home and the strategies that we are with you don't quality, we will safe. got you. but since no one is actually trusting the system stuff is right, it's likely info,

at least is low. this notion that is right is some on the practice crazy. it's a nuclear state. it's under 200 feet by the united states and the european union. there's no equality between them and the palestinians actual, there's a dominant file with the 6, not just on me in the work. so one of that was threatening of that. no, but. so this is affective be sarah and fear tactics on the arabs. the, you know, we're here we back is really well if you're here and you come out of your ships and you go on the lad. yeah, that wouldn't be all sorts of wolf i, i can't predict that. i'm not in the, you know, confidence of the people, the 5 mean i don't deal with them, but there's bound to be something like that. and you will end up on this style where they had you. uh,

they was good off um the bones place and detonate displays from the roads, etc. which is the old guy from cvs on the best and side operation enduring freedom. you remember that was cold and the same. what happened in the middle east if they go in just like that because they assume of that of egypt to remain loyal to c, c. and c, c does as well. and the repression in egypt already is advocates highest levels, much much was then under the host name about a country. so, but that doesn't look, you know, numbers. so if you have a 1000000 people out on the streets, you begin to break up the police and you begin to break up the only because with so many 1000000. so they have relations there for people. they have relations or policeman,

their relation who also doesn't slowly those things freights. that's what happened in many places and as dreary vs and the other liberation struggles on that was to help them in the middle east, if that's an escalation by the west. and just finally, really, i mean, arguably you only have so that can power over there in britain because israel helped to manipulate your general elections using the phrase anti semitism. do you think one other aspect of this terrible, terrible tragic tragedy him guys, is that at least how much is and can no longer be weaponized in the same way to alter the results of general elections in western europe and even in the united states. yeah, i agree with that. i think that uh what happened in brook was

a systematic attempt by the berkeley state and the bulk of the above increase a above party and the conservative side of the media to make sure the whole big jeremy corbin's removed as nature of the labor party. why, because of what's left said what's going on, my head golden, be needles, and eva body it's line would not have been what it is now and the use devotees semitism. so. busy the challenges affect the semitism, and even at that time i said in public that jeremy made a huge mistake in accepting the h r c or whatever. it's called a as the ave to what constitutes anti semitism. and they didn't find to back up the time and challenge them, but they come to that bad solve us. i mean, you know, people are defying storm a, in, in different parts of the country. and they know they can't use that. instead of

trying to get rid of others who they don't like, but using that particular charge now becomes very difficult here. and in the united states for the jewish kids who marched, i've shown real coverage. and so as we speak further drew's note, but i mean, that's quite astonishing. so i think from that point of view this on the directory movement road as being very positive in ending this. yeah. well, being denounced as mtc, my tag ali, thank you. and that's over the show and condolences from the whole team here at going underground to those brief by the ongoing violence in the middle east. there will be more guys on monday's show until then. keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sense it in your country and had to our channel going on around tv on mobile, don't come to what's new and old episodes of going underground see monday,

the public parties come on sort of, he's got his new my so how using the wife's what i showed you and somebody on the phone disposal. so in the front of mind that you go in this tool disposal sit in the stimulus of savings and you have some people to see those who manage to free continue. the work of undermining russia about in these team is opening offices in the us. that was supposed to go to the solar eclipse issue. so we need to know about seo menu on the, for me at 4 and the office for the other thing is that sam got the 2, got up as you'd say, the shirts. but i want to be sure what it says, the democrats, you dogs, a deal. exactly,

because i get asked them that completely got you. the top headlines here will not see, tie ones routing party candidate to class victory in the territories the presidential race. while the opposition concedes the top states, resulting in the legislative pallets within the power controlled us. as on the ballpark again, humans, capital city on the far, you know, just our software, un security council, emergency meetings, of the fridays, initial power, and then in an easy uh, mazda of solidarity with palestine locking nearly 100 days of the war and gone to protest kick off worldwide, people are demanding israel, stop the violence,