the, the, i don't know while control is a part of the mountain polarity, has long been a trained to award the most countries under your sanctions. but it didn't amount to much concrete. the parts from perhaps a somewhat helpless disdain of us had gemini, but over the last year and a half as more and more nations were forced to find their own ways of dealing with best and pressure multiple or to has started to take a more tangible form what is it, and where is it? having will to discuss that i'm now joined by around call. as soon as alice, deputy minister of foreign affairs for north america, is to call us it's great to meet you. great to talk to thank you very much for your time. thank you much for the invitation. now we are talking here on the sidelines of the, of all day for him, which this year a care is the title fair multiple larry, see how to ensure security and development for all. and i want to start by asking

whether you believe it's even possible to ensure security and development for all and do it in a fair manner. well, i think it's something that we have to strive for, for sure. in venezuela's own history, uh, you know, where we are a revolution that uh, inspired by c mobile dealer in our liberator, who spoke about the librium of the universe as a concept back in the 1800s. and he saw the, the tensions between the different poles that were rising and how we have to establish some sort of equity in room balance. so that we can assure that everyone's interest was consider. and i think this is the point we're reaching out in, in this one history where we can no longer just sustain a world view. we're only the interest. so one country is accepted. but we have to make sure that we cater to to the interest of, of different peoples. because that model of the single country is not enough to guarantee a. uh so the rest of humanity uh, safe planet, uh, safe uh,

safety from uh, health or the risk of the seas. so so the, there's a need for us to build something different. i think it is achievable, and i think it's something that we have to promote. but even if i put that one country um beyond the breakfast for a for a moment, we'll start from different bases and doubts with different for sources settled with different challenges. how would you even assess the fairness of the framework if we are all moving in different faces and sometimes in different directions? well, i think that's where the art of diplomacy comes in and the importance of dialogue and, and how we have to build relations with countries among countries are relations field precisely on dialogue. we have to try to understand each others. there's different cultures of diversity. president will travis spoke of 2 or 4 look priority, meaning that uh, not only do we have to have different pulls,

but the lease that we have to accept the diversity in each full so they can co exist. so i think it's important that we, we do that effort of, of dialoguing and trying to understand each other, see where our interest can meet. because everybody's obviously has different interests. everybody has different needs. well, there's gotta be a point where we can make them meet and, and work together for the best of all. he meant speaking about dialogue last year and develop the plan, the recession. you asked the president of this country, of alignment, put in the whether anything should be done to support this process of shaping multiple. our chances out sir was essentially no, you know, it's a, it's a natural development. and besides, the west is already doing everything necessary to bring multiple arity about. do you agree with him that no specific measures a need to to uh, protect or support this process? well, i think it's important to like, he mentioned that this is something that is taking place now, and perhaps we will find now that along the way, for example,

was the emergence of of bricks. now, us a such a strong platform that we may have to do some things to help it along the way and contribute to, to the building. i think it's important that we, we strengthen those processes because that's where we can really see a new type of arrangement where people can participate in different countries. have different types of participation. and we can overcome the stomach problems that we've had for example, that in, in countries in, in, in the south and the global south or even development seem another way of, of cooperation for development. that doesn't mean both of you of one country of another, but it actually is a, some of necessities and, and opportunities well getting into an argument for his bladder and put a nice thing. sometimes it's very difficult to allow of these lab be approach. and not only because your opponents are piling economic sanctions on to you,

but also because i think they're now overstepping their own values and their own laws to punish countries like ours. for example, i don't know if you've heard that, but the e u has recently introduced the master that would allow its officials, customs officials to stream russian nationals on their personal belongings like phones like even toiletries. and that is coming from countries that i still believe to be the champions of personal freedoms and privacy. i wonder if we have come to a point when we have to be concerned about the unraveling of the west because of the western sanctions. well, i think that's something that we're seeing a part of the result of these sanctions. and these policies is that is a promotion of fate in a way o all or is it. and then only happens to russians with a, in this case, uh that you mentioned. but you seem to happen. folks out bullying in latin american

migrants and in, in the united states for uh, you know, the, the, every time you have, you, they place uh, an aggressive on the other is that only the, the law is not only the section itself, but it's also a company by a message of distancing themselves from the other and generating fear. here we have to distance ourselves from, from this policy, we have to stop these processes throughout the world. we've seen this re emergence in both in, in europe, part also in america, of the fastest tendencies that are use they use hate in order to promote their policy. so it is part of this process they use hate of to promote their policies, but they're also sort of a very successful in projecting it out to other countries. they do not see that as hate. in fact they, they seem to be very self righteous. what could possibly uh,

bring it to their attention that they're doing the exact same things that they are accusing that adam is off. the problem is that i think it will get to a point that these measures that they take and that they promote, heard them as well, and they're going to realize that their actions also have consequences. and they are ready those in and academic terms. and we're seeing, for example, the gas prices being probably the highest that they've been the last few months in the united states and hardly is due because the way the essential is to impact uh, oil markets throughout the world. if of countries like venezuela, we run, for example, they didn't have the sanctions place on them. there could be different, a rush or rush efforts for the fact that they could be a very different consequences or the very different i'm energy supply and, and the effects on the us people we quite different but also easy in other issues

like even uh, with migration itself and, and part of countries that are under economic distress because of, of sanctions. well, one of the results sometimes seems to be migration and, and, and this, the united states was also feeling it said there is a feeding loop whether they like it or not. but for the time being, they still prefer not to notice it. yes. and in a way is it is part of the, you know, the, they're part of the problem the, the, they believe that their actions don't have consequences by the new now uh, the west is using not only direct sanctions against countries like russell men as well. but also secondary sanctions to penalize those who are willing to do business with the quote unquote the renegades. and that's who would be seen as a direct uh tool against uh, multiple r a to you. uh, you know, if we understand multiple our to is a space when nations can relate to each other on their own terms,

do things sooner or later. multiple letters who really require some sort of, um, formal arrangement or protection against western pressure. well, what we really mean already exist, which is the principles in, in, in trying and then you and charter, the end of practice. oh, but, but, but they're there and, and you know, at one point in time, countries to, to become members of the u. n. the they signed the, the charter, they agreed to be part of it. and what we need to is to rescue those, those ideals, and those principles and, and stress the necessity of, of respecting them the, the, the idea, the us, for example, coming both these unilateral mattress is completely a violation of, of international law. so we have to do is uh, we don't have to do the same, we have to defend and show that we respect international law that then we want a system where multiple our to comply with. but you know, and she's comfortable, i,

because there's every, i'm a minimal respect for each other's interest and, well, me, i don't know if you would agree with that. but what i find very interesting about our times is that, you know, there's principles that have been and try and in the year and charter for the state is it now makes sort of sense to oppose them because it's in your own benefit. and we see some of the us nominal allies like saudi arabia, like united arab emirates, becoming members of briggs because they, they find it not only uh who doesn't moral terms, it's in that practical developmental interest. so do you think there's something new about the way countries relate to those values and trying them to you and charge them? well, we're definitely a moment where we realize that release just have to be different. because again, the, the system though that was the remaining of that was trying to, we impose on the rest of us doesn't have the solutions to our problems. i think

what countries are doing or realizing that they have to abide or follow those, those principles that we'll share and, and doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to subject ourselves to a country. it means that we have to build spaces where we can dialogue and contribute and cooperate, which is very important. so we have to engage in el center relationship rather than incursion. now speaking about venezuela, your country has been under western sanctions for, for it for very long time as has iran, cuba, some other nations. but it hasn't trouble with these kind of rapid changes within the international economic and political system that we have observed recently. and i wonder if you see western sanctions against russia as a standout case, or whether it's simply the cumulative effect of all those years of sanctions against various countries. that is influencing this as for bringing about this

rapid change within the international system. well, it also has to do also with the size of, of countries on the economy. so obviously, garages and much larger country and, and the impact that these measures may have on, on, on the world because of how they affect russia is different from how he may impact smaller countries. but the truth is that about 30 percent of the world is right now and to some sort of unilateral course of measure from the united states. and pressing glass motor has been very open and in denouncing this, these actions and how we have to find new uh, new solutions to and the dependency that we have, for example, on the dollar or that we have on, on, on this capability that the united states as time american financial institutions, all american lab, financial institutions, we have reached the thought to be international. that's why that's why i presume a little said in, in, in the recent his message to the recent bricks meeting and south africa of the,

the importance that it was to, to find new alternatives to find an architecture for new financial model to think about the below orientation and see how we can have a, another organization of the world where we're not sort of depending on the united states as a well mr. carlos, we have to take a very short break ref, still dependent on the, on our schedule, but we will get back in just a few moments state you in the, the, the,

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welcome back to me is a part of the carlos event, as well as deputy minister for, for the various for north america. but to call us before the break, we mention sanctions that the united states maintain against your country for many years. and i know for a fact that the new sale and then the raining and experience has been studied in russia extensively to understand what to do and what perhaps not to do when dealing with these direct point in measures against my country. i wonder if oven is l. a. has learned anything new or got any new ideas from the russian experience? well, i think it's funny because when we remember one time speaking, uh uh, when the sanction started on the, the trump immunizations. i spoke to

a russian diplomats late in counselor with in, in, in washington. and the 1st thing he told me was, well, you have to learn to live with sanctions. and then my ways to, you know, part of what we have seen from the experiences of russia. but also if you're on the cube for many years, is that you know, the point of, of was, of the sanction policy from the united states is to reduce regina change and produce all these alterations of our reality, which are not in tune with the needs and the wants of that, of our peoples. so we have to learn to, to, even though we have these aggressions how to make our, our own solutions on how to move forward. the experience from russia now is, of course, is also interesting for us as all the other ones. and i think what, what we have learned is that nobody's going to give us anything for free. we have

to, well, whatever we're gonna do for our future and will however, we're gonna develop our country. we have to do it by defending it ourselves by organizing our people's. and so i think that that, that is the best lesson that we can learn overall. it's interesting you say that because uh, you know, a substantial part of those sanctions were brought about after the elections of 2018 and next year you're facing another presidential vote. do you expect any american interference, or do you think that americans wouldn't be too preoccupied with that own domestic political strife? well, i think the, if we look at history, you know, this year will be the 200 and number 3 of the monroe doctrine, which is the thing that i'm going to celebrate. well here's, here's, here's the thing is i, what we seen is a constant intervention with compton. and, you know, in different, different types of forms from cause to sanctions, to a,

the invasion is everything. but so, so the tendency is that they will always try to find a way to, um, you know, see in gauging in, in our processes in the, an alternate and in their favor we, i think we're the winner. so let people know what the reality are. you know, i, i think we have face, so these are the graces all these problems. and we have had a leadership setting leadership on their pressing model that has led the country out of that. uh, you know, that aggression, we have been able to grow in the last year that and you know, which is something that nobody was been, will, was able to predict. uh, you know, in just a couple years earlier because they thought that everything would collapse. and we have shown that, you know, we're capable of, of achieving a different uh, different outcome. so i think the, minnesota people know that, you know, they, they have to keep advancing in their democratic process in the deepening

a revolutionary process. and i think that will be the outcome regardless of what our intervention it takes place. the venezuela is, is an emergency. and you know, we will have elections and different forces with metro themselves. but i think the sort of people know where the horizon is thinking about different forces. one guy know whom the west at that time the recognized as the inter and present the cell is barely seen or mentioned at any more. how do you use is that how do you assess his political fortunes? well, i think it was, uh well, she left the countries not even a political figure of any importance right now in venezuela. and i think many countries now realize that it was a, you know, the ridiculous to have supported the adventure of trying to recognize the government that, that didn't exist, that you will have not only didn't have a legal basis, but also didn't have any popular support. i mean,

nobody though that was for trade us and either could simply leave the country and to be no effects whatsoever. and you can, you can, you can see how it is when it said was overcome that, that chapter i think, you know, when we're looking forward, we're looking ahead again for some of the has shown us a way, thoughts, growth towards the improvement of um, services for the event as well and people, i think that's the pathway on and that's important. as i said, you're looking forward to that. i also want to ask you to look sideways a little bit because i'm interested in your opinion about the american election. so which are also coming up next year. and i think what's different than we've talked about that a little bit already is that the station for the americans themselves is different there. and they have never been so polarized as they are right now. and i wonder if, if you think that the outcome of the next here, well,

it's bill have any bearing on how the multiple r a t shaping or how the valves on the a continental shaping out. well, i think 1st of all, i want to say, you know, we, we are respectful of the sovereignty of the people's united states. so whatever the session they make, of course it, we respect them and, and that's what we want them to do in, in our. but let's, as me, the choice is quite unprecedented. then it's very, i mean, the, perhaps not very inspiring, even for the americans themselves. and judging from the polls, what well there's, there's many problems in u. s. society. now the, they're facing because of the, their model is again, it's not able to fulfill the expectations of people using growth in, in, in, in homeless mass us and growth in poverty. so there's a lot of traffic patients on the people united states. so then they need to find a way to, to vote for, you know, solving their own problems and not trying to police the world are trying to engage

in our elections. i think i hope that whatever comes as a result is another renewed opportunity to engage with united states diplomatically and on equal terms. i mean, you know, maybe maybe a high bar to said, but i think it is important that we remember we've always been willing to engage with united states diplomatically. as long as there's a relationship with mutual respect, when you don't have them with the respect and then all these other informations comes about. so my hopes that lease or that whatever outcome of this is something that can lead to a respectful relationship. now one of those issues polarizing years, domestic politics is immigration and it's no secret that been his element migration to the united states is linked perhaps directly to the sanctions policy. and i think this is one of the very, very few ways that the americans can directly experience the consequences of the

actions. but i wonder if migration is still big enough of a challenge to influence the american approach, either to sanctions or to your own country for their own sake. well, the problem is, what we seen in draw history in, in us politics, is that sometimes, whenever the selection moments common, there's always a for in a adversary of some sort. and, you know, either is it could be one day time when they rush. so any of the country, or it could be in the shape of migrants from anywhere in latin america. this in this case, because of the narrative, they have a negative narrative against the wind as well. you know, they're focusing on minnesota migrants, but, you know, been sort of not even the, the main source of migrants in the united states right now. in any case, a lot of that migration historic. the reason has that to do with the intervention of the united states. now it's sanctions, but before you know, the, the, the cools, the, the,

the sabotage to democratic government. so the just sitting aligned to their purposes that lets for people to seek uh, solutions and to seek them a north because at the end of the day you effect the economy. so in a way that people, you know, they, they want to look for their other economic possibilities. so it's is, is a moment where there's, there must be a lot of reflection on the side of the you the both of us to see where the real problems are, where the real, where they should focus their energies. it's not necessarily foreign threats. it's, it's the way it's functioning inside that they need to deal with. i don't know, she would agree with that, but i think it is this perception of invincibility. and that for decades about the american political class, to root with impunity. and to sort of believe that that consequence, that actions don't have consequences. and if you look close, the whole concept of american exceptionalism is ultimately rooted in this idea that they are somehow above and beyond. richard beautician. my question to you is,

what do you think me persuading the american people but the american, the lee is that they're humans like anyone else and therefore they shouldn't be constrain south, constrained by some notion of common responsibility or at least responsibility before that own people. i think their model, the current model has shown is not sustainable. i think anomaly is not going to be sustainable in the long run. the again, the, the challenges are facing within the country. the goals are poverty, the now the, you know, the growth of drug use, so which has now become one of the main, or the primary cost of, of, of the thing you use in the. and i say show that there's something essentially wrong with the system that there and that exceptionalism is not going to be the answer. i think. and also, you know, i, you, you mentioned the leads for the, the fact that the people are realizing this. i think it's important because,

you know, there is the giving, say, this even a, a massive anti imperialist movement. the we don't see in the media but, but the, that it does live in the united states and doesn't, once the country to and it's government to abilities actions. and i think that's growing every day. and, you know, sometime is going to reach those decision makers. there's gotta be new generations of, of lawmakers and to come in to us politics that, that focus on real people's problems that has to happen. you come from a country with the stronger revolutionary tradition, but i think that comes a point for any country when revolution has to give way to do engine for i mean revolutionary smoking said no, it's enough. you actually need to provide for your people and it's very hard and often times unimed on under appreciated the work of governance. i sometimes wonder if the americans of stock and this revolutionary phase of thinking of themselves as

sort of the, some of the shining said you're on the hill without even caring off. but you know, working the fields or, you know, the roads inside that the inside that's here. well, i think there has to be a change of that exception list mentality. but, but i think again the, the problems are they, they're going to encounter learning counseling right now. in the streets or as well as the thing that change will come because the, the american system as it exists today does not allow for, in my view, it's nice for a free and comprehensive expression of political will because a choice between the 5 and then trump is with all due respect to the americans as a very poor and limited choice. well, there's other movements that i think are important within uh, you know, local, uh, there's gotta be a gradual empowerment of people. and it's the is going to start is already started and you know, local that was received different,

different class. so of politicians and, and city councils and other places that are contesting some of these uh, visual policies that come from exceptionalism. it's a process and maybe maybe we're not going to see it next year or, or, you know, maybe in 1020 years it's, you know, sometimes these changes take a long time. but you can see that there's something growing and, and that is that it has to come out because it's not sustain that the way they're doing it is not sustainable. well, uh on this note mr. call us, we have to leave it there. but thank you very much for being with us to my pleasure . thank you very much. and thank you for watching hope to hear again and was a part of the

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