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the hello, i'm an electron. you are tuned into modus operandi. in the fall of 2023, a story of east meets west. she's in pain. arrived in historic san francisco to streets that were unrecognizable to the locals, cleaned up for the asia pacific economic cooperation summit. better known as a peck, nearly 2 dozen, pacific rim world leaders, we're in attendance, but all lies were on the sheet and bite and meeting. and that is what we'll focus on today. all right, let's get into the m o. the in case you forgot, there's been an ongoing trade war between the us and china for the last 7 years or so that trade war has found the world's top 2 economies at loggerheads over

everything from technology like while way to social media like tick tock and even geo politics, like the conflicts in gaza and ukraine, but especially over the status of ty, one but a peck, 2023. the asia pacific economic cooperation is supposed to focus purely on money trade economics. and as the name implies, how to better cooperate with one another on these matters. these pacific rim countries jointly control the over whelming majority of trade goods and services all around the world. so when 2 of the 21 key players aren't seeing, ida, i will the rest of the world lose sight of which way to navigate in the 21st century. joining us to discuss this complicated relationship between the us and china is anna, go. she is a jump political analyst and talk show host for c g

t and radio. she's coming to us from beijing, china, and i thank you so much for joining the program today. uh 1st i'd like to hear your top line thoughts and overall read on the 2023 apex on it and how it was received by those in china. so far, i think the meeting has shown positive size, as i believe the main theme of the meeting was to see a way forward for the string ties. and the ottoman sphere was general was great in general. the talks of the 2 presidents last 2 to 4 hours long. i think that indicates how engaging of their conversation was a coverage, a wide range of issues on china. us relations, including establishing an inner government to dialog on artificial intelligence, setup a working group on drugs to control cooperation, review high level communications between the 2 militaries and a grade to

a further substantial increase in slice earlier in next year. that means to expand exchanges in education, use, uh, culture, sports and business. they also how to all around communication on addressing the policy in and is a real conflict. the print prices, climate change and other global challenges. and more importantly, i think this is some, it serves as a great opportunity to clarify both the china and a us a stands on major differences or critical issues. for example, president and she elaborated on china's principles stands a regarding the time one question, he's that to mr. biden and china well realize reunification. and this is a stop level and urging the us to take the real actions to honor his comment of not supporting taiwan independence. this is us one and

a clear mass agent directly from the top leader of china and from mr. biden. on the other hand, again, he reaffirmed to the united states does not seek a new cold war and does not seek to change china. a system does not seek to revitalize east alliances against china and does not support highway independence and has no intention to have a conflict with china. but he also defended the u as a so called in due pacific strategy and watts washington. believe that the freedom of navigation and overflights as well as the practice of small circles, like all cuz etc. i think all of these indicate that although the 2 sides of the do, you have differences on some key issues. but they have indeed demonstrated a common desire to either stations between the 2 countries, you know, to contend the further fostering of differences and to maximize the

positive aspects of their relationship. so based on what has been released and also the following reactions of the 2 governments, the overall atmosphere is better than expected. just one thing i think worth of mentioning is the recent development that the 2 sides are working together to make climate a negotiation. so set a success out of cope. 28, i think which also cigna it was a very positive approach to bilateral cooperation. you the near future a. so a pet, both 21 member states. but all eyes were really on china as president. she and his relationship with joe biden. how would you characterize that relationship, both prior to the summit, and did that dynamic change in any manner after the event, especially after bite and called president she, a dictator?

when answering a question from the press. oh, let me answer your question, the later part of the question. first, i don't want to comment extensively on mr. bide as temporary statements only in the video issue. because when, who does the blinking? it's a frowning suppression during the meeting, and we have also seen similar statements of from the president on other occasions. i think it's a challenging, at times to decipher his a true intention, based on just a one single statement. and about the china us relations. we tend to divide, the space is based on significant events such as this summit. but my overall says he that this summit is just a one outcome of a series of interactions and exchanges between the 2 sides is just a small part of a long process. and the complex dynamics of china us relations could uh,

i think won't enter ago substantial changes due to this just one summit. so i think the best capture, right, they show for this critical bilateral relationship may indeed be complex. as you always be, given these extensive scope, it's difficult to determine whether cooperation or confrontation previews in each phase as the different the arrows may yelled at different answers. but if we look back at history, china in the us, how to reach experiences in dealing with each other. but the relationship indeed, house heidi's ups and downs, but he has generally nintendo and overall positive trajectory. so things are china's reform and opening up is development, has brought enormous benefits to china, us and the road. and according to our research from jp morgan, and he indicates that a chinese inquiries contributed to a nanny,

a reduction of approximately 40 basis points in the us, the inflation rates from 2000 to 2010. and i conic american brands like apple, microsoft of ford, boeing city group, and many more are well known in china. and every year, hundreds of thousands of chinese students go to the us for education. and a we know before facing suppression from the us. while way the chinese company provided, convince change and cost a 1st, a cost effective now to work services to many regency in the us, especially in the remote and relatively backward areas where the user base was small. but unfortunately, due to the band, some areas they had a had to dismantle hallway agreements or replace it, and a significantly increasing in her announce prices. what i want to express here is

china stance. it has not changed and will not change because of this one summit. so i believe the central clustering in the current interactions between china and the us is how the us abuse china and how he intends to engage with china is the time is the us genuinely willing to collaborate with china on global challenges such as climate change? peace and security and to develop cooperation, etc. or is china still seeing as are viable to be aggressively attacked or suppressed? so i think the ball was in a few is in us court. so let's wait on to see after this the summit. yeah, to your point on how the us views china, i mean over the last few years under both trump and bite. and we have seen u. s. foreign policy take decisively aggressive stance toward china despite all these different attempt at following the the i c relations after that,

trump error trade war began and we saw a biden host. i see on leaders here in washington, dc. in may of 2022. we per bluster coming out of a lot of agencies in regard to taiwan. even then speaker of the house, nancy pelosi taking a trip to ty, pay against the wishes of champagne. we even heard us military officials speaking of plans for war against beijing, and then followed by the expansion of u. s. military bases in the philippines. then you add the us recently reopening its embassy over in the solomon islands, vice president comma harris, hosting the prime minister of mongolia in summer of 2023, where they signed on board to the us led open skies treaty. that's just to name a few moves. i mean, many have describe this as in circle met of china, both physically and figuratively, in the way of influence, sort of like a,

a attendance strategy instead of russia. it's china. is this how it's being perceived by b j? i think you made a great point. it seems to wash and that has almost a weaponized always relations with china over the past 2 years, blaming china for his own domestic and international issues. washington often denies attempting to contend badging, but actions indeed speaks we louder than words. i think the united states through measures such as export can chose increase the military spending and base expansion 6 to wait on china's economy. any circle it, even at the risk of a sparking conflicts. i think these, these dangerous and unnecessary policy, the us has proceeded military containment of policies before and the result of

having disastrous for millions, worldwide. even the architecture of the content of the strategy, as you may see, new george kennan later regretted supporting such practices. in the latter part of his life, he became a staunch critic of cold war policies and expressed or remorse over the us to solve, solve it, arm race. he constantly warned about the dangers of a military, them and nuclear war, and expressed concerns about super powers of repeating the mistakes of war. so i think if kind of words, when is the intensifying combination between us and china today? i think it would undoubtedly be shocked at the us. these ones looking heading down the path of confrontational policies are from that is ago. cause i think, continued china, well, you added to boy evolve, assist in the military expansion and explosive growth

e mail it responding. i believe the us currently space is money, deeper, rue de, a deeper rooted, easy use at home, such as whitening wealthy of your wealth in quality, high inflation, low incomes, the increasing employment. these are that you see that really require tax payers money to address. so continue to contain a surprise, china will only lead to excessive military expansion. and as the 3 competition and wasteful spending, and the more importantly i want to mention here is that china is not so be at a uni. the swedish institute of for security and development policy believes the success of the us content and strategy against the soviet union. during the cold war was due to the limited acc, nomic context between the eastern and western blocks west, recruited easily leverage with the soviet union allies with these abundant material

production. but in the era of economics, globalization, a chinese, the largest trading partner, as almost all neighboring countries and regions, no country is willing to reduce these economic ties with the china to align with us content and strategy. take the also young for example, chinese, the larger trading partner across the on and also in countries have benefited a briefly from traded with china. and in contrast to the united states is quite a stingy in this regard. during last year's us of the on summit of mr. vinyl only provide $850000000.00 us $1.00 and $8.00 to $10.00 awesome countries. so i think that's why we have it as being much reports on the following ups of the so called in do pacific economic framework and i the, to the world. i think if we go back to be even with go, go have

a look at the data from ro bed. for example, the us had a ged, a gdp of just around $25.00 trillion us dollar last year, while china was approximately 18 trailing last daughter, accounting for more than a 3rd of global economy will when they combined. and china, in the us have nearly a quarter of a rose population and they are bilateral trade accounted for about was 50 of the words total. so the relationship is way too important to be messed up or to indulge ways short sighted emotions. so i think in this case, major country competition is not the only way out for them. and the road as president, she said a during the meeting, the where is big enough for, for the 2 countries to succeed. and one countries, success is an opportunity for the other. and that actually has been proved there. right. over the years of china, us close cooperation before all those of drama started. yeah. $150000000.00 is

pocket change for the us. and then this spread among more than a dozen asian states is quite cheap if you asked me. all right, coming up next. the host city for a peck, 2023. san francisco carries a lot of historical importance for us. china relations. so former mer turned governor of california. gavin newsome rolled out the red carpet for president. she will discuss it when we return with and go sit tight, the m o will be right back. the hello and welcome to the cost of full board. here we discuss the wheel and the

the welcome back to the m o i manila chance. so just 2 weeks before president joe biden created president, she in san francisco president. she welcome to california, is governor newsome to beijing. is this a signal that something bigger is brewing for newsome beyond california is borders a and a good geo political analyst and radio host is back with us. thank you for sticking

around with us and us. so the host city for a pack this year was san francisco and a historically important city for chinese americans. a symbol of chinese relations, china town hub for many asian immigrants in the surrounding area. this once beautiful city has been played by homelessness and open air drug use in recent years. california as governor gavin newsome took great measures to clean up his hometown head of the summit. many say, particularly for president, she, but just a few weeks before he greeted she and san francisco, governor newsome paid president, she an official visit to beijing. much of the american press ignored this trip by governor newsome. what was the purpose of new some strip to beijing? i mean, we know california has direct trade coming from china and give it, it's on the pacific coast. but what is the trade issues be discussed at apec

a few weeks later anyway? so why is a special trip by new some, or the 1st of all, i think the san francisco in a california indeed ahold of special significance in the context of china us relations. this connection dates back to the chinese laborers who came to the us and to be able to real roads and even earlier on china's national de october 1st to base your the city hall in san francisco, even raised the chinese national flag for celebration. and as you mentioned, everyone is well aware of the economic and tree ties between china and california. whether is the high tech companies in silicon valley or the traditional shaping and to treat sectors. california indeed plays a crucial role in china, us economic cooperation. so in that case, i think governor and museums visit to china is not

a surprise. i think of similar visits are well planted and prepare for over the long term. but what i want to emphasize is that the weather is separate, stays court as, as san fransisco, california, or governor, and use them. they don't just re present a city, a state or a governor. the re present rational pragmatic added to you to towards china, within the united states reflecting the viewing of money. i think, for example, around the same time as governor and use them to visit a significant number of american visitors, including cabinet and including members of congress, prominent and business leaders. they also visited china. this rational attitude has existed data for a long time, but in the current political environment and do not it states, i think this voice but this, their voices having surprised or in some cases are afraid to be expressed.

as you mentioned earlier, for, for some time now, the united states has taken this years of misguided actions in each relationship with china. actions that appear quite negative from the chinese perspective. therefore, i think a governor needs them to visit to china jose, another important significance that is, tells the chinese people there are still individuals in the united states who support a cooperation with china, who men tend to come and a rational mindset. the big stream views of a certain politicians do not re present that entire of the united states. this is a crucial, i think, for a future direction know for bilateral relations because in develop new relations with the us, the chinese government also needs to consider the needs and the send you men

duffy's own people. and of course, recent american visitors to china, including governor news and should not be single, a labeled as pro china, i believe, compared to politicians who, you know, who have been calling for confrontation. they simply prioritize the long term interest to us over the short term gains. as i mentioned earlier, cooperation between china into us. he's very beneficial for both countries. the recently a deport hate dr. hurry kissinger is a representative fever in this regard. he's widely knowing china. i would like to express my condolences for his passing, but i understand that the doctor kissinger stands on china has a face to criticism from some american media. but his perspective is precisely what the united states and he's now a clear and rational understanding and attitude towards china. the new us needs new

features like kissinger, you know, politician who constantly consider a long term interest. so if the american people, when dealing with china, so it's very so discussion in china recently. well, governor needs them to be the next kissinger in china, us relationship. i'm not sure on that, but i hope that there are more and kissinger features emerge in the united states and a more rational voices in the us when dealing with the china. yes, kissinger was a very controversial political figure here in the us to say the least. but to his credit he, he did open the door to the modern relations between us and china. so lastly, where does the us and china go from here? bite into space and a tough re election cycle. in a year's time, it's possible,

she's in pain, couldn't be negotiating with someone else as products. is china looking beyond the 2024 us elections in its own calculus for its relationship with the us? um, as i mentioned earlier, uh well china, us relations may not always be news. they generally have a positive trip trajectory. in the words of chinese tall fisher expression. there are a 1000 reasons before china in the us to improve their relations and not a single reason to person them. but of course, bilateral relations cannot depend solely on china's side. so if we loop cats past the situation, china has always been a hot topic during us elections for some kind of days, demonstrating a tough stairs towards china. seems to be the most effective way to appeal to voters. though this may be not entirely accurate because according to my

discussions with many american friends, they seem more concerned about domestic issues such as health care is infrastructure, tax res, etc. but i think that really should be the focus ray of from china is to perspective, i think of the long term development trend of china us relations will not change because of a single election because no matter which party or political seeker comes to power, there are some basic facts that cannot or at least will be difficult to change in the short term, such as the huge economic country ties between the 2 countries, such as the long term close exchanges. another example is be shared responsibility of the 2 countries on use use such as a climate change piece and a security, you know, in the areas they try to forage more cooperation between the 2 size. so therefore,

china is policy on china. i'm trying to us relations involved expressing core concerns, making clear what do you use? these are non negotiable wrapped lines such as a supporting taiwan independence or you know, instigating the separation of china. this is definitely non negotiable. those are the wrapped lice of china and it also involves demonstrating a sincere willingness to cooperate and being open to collaboration in areas where both sides can and should work together. and a g, a geopolitical expert and talk show hosts for the cvt and radio. thank you so much for your insight today. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila trans. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the ammo, the

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